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[TicParticipant]

Mr_Options wrote:

Welcome brother. We all have our final awakening once we find MGTOW.

Thanks. I remember many times we would argue in the last year or so and she kept saying “oh, because you a man, right, so you have be right.” I kept telling her what the hell does that have to do with the argument at hand. Many times I accused her of being a feminist and that if that’s her ideology, she can take a hike.

Rhino wrote:

Welcome Tic thanks for sharing your story it really got me p~~~ed off when I started reading it because I could relate to everything you wrote (except the woman was cheating on me with a guy). Like you the pain you feel inside is worse than when you get physically beaten it just does something to you to your spirit and it hurts like hell. But eventually it will pass and you will become stronger for it. I would recommend staying away from women for the time being if you can it will help you cope with all the stuff going on in your life. Rub one out if you have the need for sex and just do what you like to do.

If any of your friends or family try to shame you into getting a girl for marriage and kids cut them out of your life for the time being. Some friends will even call you gay because you are not with anyone, if this happens cut them out too. Just be happy with who you are and don’t let anyone shame you into doing something you don’t want to. Welcome home brother if you need any further advice we are here to help.

I’m not planning on dating right now. The wounds are too fresh and honestly I think about it everyday.

I found out that one of chicks at work who liked me was very interested, so I said why not 3 weeks ago, given that she is single and apparently very willing to go out with me. Now, when I decided to approach her she told me she is on match.com. Because of that, called her 7 days later and I was busy with work. So, she calls me back 9 hours later and I refused to pick up. She even admitted in her message that she left me that she knew it was me but was at the “beach” all day. F~~~ you bitches, I’m not playing your game. I erased her number and never returned her call. I don’t care if it was a jerk move. You act interested then play games, I’m out. New rules. Don’t, like it. go f~~~ yourselves. Seriously, I don’t want to be f~~~ed with anymore. I haven’t dated anyone since the break up and I think it’s going to stay that way for a while.

God bless peace and freedom.

[AnthonyParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

At you mid-thirties MGTOW, you can still hit the younger set, but women your age are going to begin grow more rapidly to resemble a battle ax the older they get. Doesn’t matter they are all c~~~s.

I’ve noticed that in almost every country. Even the older Latin and Asian women are total c~~~s. Back in my blue pill years, I just wanted go after younger women because even though I knew they were c~~~s, at least they were hot.

I’m just glad I gave up on the idea of women entirely and I plan on getting a few fleshlights to deal with my sex drive.

Anonymous wrote:

The most amusing part of being older is listening to formerly hot late-40s women when it finally dawns on them that carouseling serial Chads throughout their prime was not in their long term best interests.

Haha, it is funny. I hear a lot of that from the older women in my family even. They’re still obsessive with their looks even though they’re old hags.

Dr. Sable wrote:

Old ?
I’ll be 50 in two months time but it does not reflect how I actually view myself age vise. I’m not talking
about in a physical sense but how I think, react and how hard my drive is for life in general.

Well either way, I definitely learn a lot from you guys. I respect older guys myself way more than I do younger guys. Especially in my generation because most of it is full of SJWs or PUAs.

Once you have a Fleshlight real vaginas become worthless.

[Anonymous]

Zoom66 wrote:

This became a big swirling cycle of s~~~ until I finally decided to flush.

By my accounts the swirling cycle of s~~~ has grown to f-5 tornado! I’m on MGTOW mountain looking out over Blue Pill Planes watching it destroying men and sucking up everything they ever worked for while transferring their sovereignty and future earnings over to the state.

Zoom66 wrote:

There are so many paradoxes that destroy the narrative that men should even cow tail to the notion that you must learn what women want

Hey Zoom, The next quote I pulled off the wall, It popped out of my head within a week or two of signing up here, tell me if we don’t think the same?

You want answers to the multiplex paradox of understanding women? Lets look at the word “understand” or to “stand under”. It’s out of natural order to stand beneath, or “under” a woman. It’s that simple, or do you need more s~~~ dropped on your head? All because you allowed yourself to be manipulated into the wrong position. It’s all about the laws of gravity, position, and s~~~.

Hope I’m posting in the right forum.

Deaf guy here. I’m not profoundly deaf, just partly. I wear hearing aids, and sign language is my primary language. I feel beaten down, upset, confused, bottled-up, and angry when it comes to my relationship. I’m currently in a relationship right now. We have been dating in long distance relationship in the last 4 years. We flew in to visit each other 15 times in the last 4 years so far. I was the one who had to break off the relationship 3 times, but none of them worked, so that’s probably why I’m still dating her now. I kept telling her to move here to live with me, but she never did. She, instead, insist I move there. I can move there (if I work my ass off to move there) but she needs to gain my trust 100%. She still tells me where she goes, and what plans she has as “facts”, but they’re just words. I need more solid proof of everything she’s doing while we’re so far away from each other. Our states are right next to each other, so we’re about 500 miles apart.

Reason why I don’t trust her as much as I used to is because she had a baby with a “bad boy” behind my back two years ago, and that was the time when I was TOTALLY happy with her, and totally trusting her WITHOUT KNOWING SHE WAS CHEATING ON ME at the time. It started to make more sense to me as to why she was always talking about baby names before she got pregnant.

She keeps saying he raped her, but I don’t believe that story. She got “raped” in her car in the back seat after she saw him pull out his dick when he was sitting in a passenger’s seat while she was driving. Still, he didn’t have a gun, or taser, or whatever. She should’ve never drove him back to his house by herself. Should’ve never took him to a f***ing arcade game that same day(which I later found out when she spilled the beans when we were at Dave and Buster’s, it caused a quick fight between us, but I bottled down my emotions because that’s what a man does, right? That short fight happened in Halloween last year). During that “rape” night, she asked him if he wore a condom, and he said yes, she immediately believed him. “It was only 5 minutes!” She said.

Only?

ONLY?

5 minutes is a long time for sex!! ESPECIALLY FOR CHEATING!!

Anyway, even though she said I should move on and forget the past (impossible), so I tried to convince her that I will never be able to forget what she’s done wrong. She still stands by saying he raped her that same night. It just irritates me, because her story of that rape did not line up. They were all over the place. Again, I can try to ignore the past cuz everybody I know kept telling me to. Still very hard, but I’ll try. It’s really stupid, but I’m being patient. Cuz that’s what a man is supposed to do, right? I should SUCK IT UP.

She gave her baby up for open adoption, because she can’t take care of a baby by herself, and I refused to help her become a mom to that baby, because it’s not my baby. She got pregnant with another man 6 weeks before I flew over to see her. I wasn’t even there for her when her baby was born.

A few days after adoption, her whole family, friends, AND my whole family AND friends are ALL SAYING I SHOULD STAY WITH HER and forgive her for what she’s done. You know why? Because she’s deaf and she’s a girl. They feel bad for her. She’s a victim in their eyes. She’s an “angel”. She’s a sweetheart. My family don’t even think I need therapy, but I told them I do need help to meet one, but they still ignore. Maybe I don’t need therapy. What’s funny is I’m deaf too, but they still don’t see me as a victim. They think I’m born to be a perpetrator or something, like it’s my destiny to be some kind of a bad guy with bad history of being a beta male, or whatever the hell they were trying to come up with in their heads.

(I’m pretty sure that if a deaf man is married to a hearing gold digger, he would still loose to her, and pay alimony for her, no matter if he’s deaf.)

Whatever, I went with it and tried to forget about it. A few months later, she started going to country dance club. I didn’t know what that meant, but she said she loves country music, so that’s why I let her go there. I mean, have you seen cowboys and cowgirls dance side by side on the dance floor? Seems totally innocent, right? A few weeks went by, she frequently went back to the country club, almost as if she was addicted to go there. I finally gave in, and asked her why she kept going back there so much. We were in a fight as she was spilling the beans about MORE suspicious things about the club, then I later found out it was a friggin’ BAR!! Even worst, she went there with her deaf girlfriend to get free drinks. They offer free drinks for women every Thursday nights, so she went there A LOT. That and she almost never texted me Thursday nights. Girl’s night out is just s~~~. She went there a lot because she gave up her baby for adoption, which is understandable, but she could’ve picked a better hobby. Getting free drinks to get drunk is not a hobby.

Last year, November, I almost was engaged to her, but I decided to break off the engagement immediately after our engagement announcement.

Just too many problems with her. TOO MANY. I have more to tell, but then I’d be writing a book, and it probably would be the bestseller.

“Amazing book! What an adventure!”

“Wow, this beta-man really had it coming to him!”

“Recommended! Must read for all women and manginas to enjoy!”

“TOP NOTCH!”

Since I heard about MGTOW last year, I learned that women just simply can’t tell the truth. It’s not in their blood. I believe they lie out of fear, out of instinct. Because of that, I am insecure not as her boyfriend, but as a man who needs to be confident in her faith to me. I can’t help but be “clingy” to her to make sure everything is okay around her (that would be white-knighting, right? Or is it a beta-male way?), but F this, I’m not her babysitter. I’m her boyfriend!!

As of right now, I believe my girlfriend is seriously SCARED of telling me the truth, and now I think she might be seeing my old middle/high school friend behind my back. Let’s just call my old friend Ben. My gut tells me she might have been sleeping with him from time to time. She kept mentioning about his name in the last 4 years (very few and far between, but her talk about him stuck out to me the most), and she seems to constantly talk about him more often recently, and her certain words just put me off. For example, “Hey, babe, I had a weird dream, I dreamed that you got killed. I was sad, and crying at your funeral, then later that day, Ben came along to calm me down and we had sex. It was a very weird dream!”

I told her I hope she wasn’t doing that in real life. She said she would never do that… Is this a sign of AWALT? A woman who says “I will NEVER do this to you” but she still does it anyway…

Another example is every time she texted me about what Ben was doing, Ben would send me a text about something he’s doing out of the blue. Like, they happen to text me at almost the same time, EVERY TIME. Like a coincidence. This is where it raises suspicion.

This is very disappointing (and disturbing) to me, because she’s the NICEST girl I’ve ever met (very friendly, easy to talk to, loves to laugh, etc.), but apparently, she was just faking it as a cover. There are no nice girls. I don’t think they exist. My mistake was hoping if there ever is one, and it turns out there never is. That one hurts.

We’re still in long distance, because :
-we’re deaf, so we get dependant on hearing people (our parents) if one of us is trying to move to another state.
-we tried breaking up, but didn’t work.
-I’m “oneitising” her because she’s the only deaf, blonde, short, amazing legs, pretty, slender girl with the friendly personality. Very hard to find a girl with those qualities, especially a deaf girl. Have you seen deaf girls? They’re beyond hideous inside and out! It’s like they’re mentally retarded when it comes to fashion clothing, and having a decent personality.

Anyway, so now, I’m here on this forum to vent. I can’t vent to my own girlfriend all of these issues, because it never ends well. The more I tell her to stop, the more likely she would want to risk doing it more discreetly behind my back.

[BrainPilotParticipant]

I watched this several times, and it p~~~ed me off a little more each time. But once that anger wore off a little, I analyzed this video this way: It is pretty clear to me that her intent was to cause him as much pain as she possibly could. Her intent was to do as much harm as she was physically capable of doing. However else you look at this, that’s how the video begins. Whatever their disagreement was, it was verbal until she made the decision for it to become physical. And when she made that decision, she carried it out with all the malice that she possibly could. Whatever we can say about his behavior, that was her behavior. She owns that.

It’s also clear from the video that she is an adult, which means that she is both in control of, and responsible for her own behavior. She has no weapon, and no physical shield. And when he (finally) swung back at her, she was unprepared for either defense or escape. Why? She made that decision with malice and carried it out with all the harm she was physically capable of inflicting… on a person also in control of his own behavior and clearly capable of causing her similar or greater harm… based only on the assumption that some unseen force protected her. What is that unseen force that she relied on with such enormous confidence?

She would not go into the forrest and do that to a bear or a wolf expecting that unseen force to protect her. She would not do that to another adult female relying on that unseen force to protect her. She wouldn’t do it to an electrical transformer, or to a barbed wire fence, or to a cactus, or to an oncoming train, or to an open flame with that expectation of unseen protection. She might do that to a child, but never in public. The majority of child abuse is committed by women, but they generally don’t do it in public. They know that unseen protection does not apply in public when they abuse a child. It does not apply to abuse of any of those other things either, SO THEY DON’T DO IT.

It’s easy to find people of both genders who will say ‘she was drunk’ or ‘she was hysterical’ in an attempt to explain that her behavior was no longer within her control and therefore no longer her responsibility. But if drunk or hysterical removes her control over her own behavior, it does not transfer that control to someone else. And the people making this argument won’t even attempt to say that it does, or to identify the recipient of that responsibility. So, being female, drunk and hysterical just makes her some kind of random, unguided missile that no one is in control of, or responsible for.

My question is: if drunk/hysterical and female results in truly random behavior, why is it only men who they take a swing at? Why is it never a cactus, or a bear, or an oncoming train they take a swing at? If the behavior really was random and uncontrolled, wouldn’t every possible target get hit in relative proportion to its availability in the environment? Why is it only men?

I submit that it cannot be so repetitive if it was actually random behavior. A toddler might try to swing at an open flame or a barbed wire fence. But this is why toddlers are closely supervised and not allowed to be in control of their own behavior. Yet, by the time they are adults, they are no longer swinging at exposed electrical wires, or open flames or barbed wire fences… because they have learned. That female toddlers are still swinging at men after they have become adults is also because of something THEY HAVE LEARNED.

Did anyone else besides me notice that after 23 unanswered strikes, when this guy finally responded, she stopped swinging? After he hit back ONE time. She did not swing again. His first hit did not knock her out or incapacitate her. She could have swung at him a 24th time, but she didn’t. She chose not to. She CHOSE a different behavior, and that choice was a suspiciously very wise and very reasonable one for someone theoretically not in control of her own behavior…

Why? BECAUSE SHE LEARNED.

This video starts with a woman’s behavior demonstrating her belief that a man does not deserve the same right of physical safety or self defense as a child, and dog or even a plant. She is not a toddler unaware of or without positive control of her behavior. Her behavior is calculated, but based on an erroneous assumption about this particular man. The unseen force is what I’ll call “female privilege”. It is sometimes thought to be unlimited and almost always more reliable than it deserves based on any reason or logic. But in this particular case, it did not extend past that 23rd strike. Up to that point, it was reliable. Beyond that, it was an erroneous assumption. Once that erroneous assumption was corrected, her behavior changed immediately. (Toddlers learn quickly. Adult women learn even faster.)

I won’t argue with Mgtower’s point that the easiest thing for him might be to back away. But this is because of the enormously one sided consequences that are going to be imposed on him by a very unfair system, not because he is less worthy than a child, a dog or a plant. In the short run, Mgtower is correct.

But in the long run, when confronted with this behavior, a man’s response is going to be a learning moment for her no matter what he does. Back away without defending yourself and you have taught her that her belief that you are beneath a dog or a plant is a valid, accurate belief. Stand there and take it until she is satisfied with the harm she has chosen to cause you, and this teaches her something as well. It teaches her what you believe about yourself. Hit her back immediately and though the consequences for you will be unfairly applied, she will learn just as the woman in this video learned. She will learn from your response… no matter what your response is. You have to decide what you want to teach her about yourself.

It may be argued that his 2nd, 3rd, 4th hits were unnecessary because once her behavior changed, he had successfully corrected that erroneous belief and regained his own safety. But if his first hit had come immediately in response to hers, the correction to that erroneous belief would have been more efficient and her next 22 hits would have never occurred.

I think that if starting today, this were every man’s response to this behavior from a woman EVERY time it occurred (setting aside the unfairly applied consequences for a moment), videos of drunk/hysterical women striking men this way would get posted about as often as we see videos of drunk/hysterical women striking a cactus or an oncoming train… which is essentially never.

Everything you do (or don’t do) in your environment announces and teaches everyone in your environment something about you. You get to decide what it is that will get learned about you. With women, think carefully about what you will announce, because they learn very quickly, and they will act (or not act) on it very reliably…

Look, it's not my fault that tornado dropped a house on your sister. Now get back on your broom and get your ass out of here... and take your monkeys with you

[Anonymous]

sidecar wrote:

phoenix wrote:

Content also seemed to be rotated on about a 3 month cycle.

phoenix wrote:

so when you see something on there, there’s a good chance it’s just nonsense.

Just because it might have been recycled a few times doesn’t mean it’s nonsense. It had to start from somewhere, and given how it exactly matches the female divorce playbook I’ve seen time and time again in real life, I think the story is real regardless of the source of this repetition.

phoenix wrote:

Are you worried because you had plans on getting married, and that thread made you re-consider it?

You have a real penchant for going off on these wild strawman tangents and accusing other men here of them to try to belittle them and deflect from the weaknesses of your own position.

You might want to consider not doing that in the future. It makes you look very childish.

phoenix wrote:

I used to read that site a lot,

Really? That explains some things.

Well I’ve never been there or any other “PUA site” or reddit or whatever. So what does that tell you?

That’s funny, you have a real penchant to be a passive aggressive little bitch. I was wondering when you’d finally have the b~~~~ to make an open attack. It only took you about 5 months.

Why Modern, Western Marriage Has Become A Bad Business Decision For Men

This writing seeks to educate men about the realities of what they may be getting into when they marry a Western Woman. An informed decision is less likely to be one that may be regretted later in the marriage. The intent is not to dissuade men from marrying, but to encourage them to communicate frankly their concerns and expectations regarding marriage with their potential spouses. The secondary aim of this essay is to enlighten women to a few of the reasons why increasingly larger numbers of successful, eligible, unmarried men, who would otherwise prefer monogamous long-term relationships, are turning their backs on marriage.

Society typically paints a negative stereotype of men who hesitate, delay, or elect not to marry.

They are labeled as either:

A) Womanizers who are unable to participate in a long term relationship, or
B) Selfish, childish or irresponsible men who can not take care of themselves or another person.

No other explanation is ever explored.

The cost of proclaiming your undying love

In University, in professional sports, in politics, in the workplace; women have the same educational and professional career opportunities as men. Contrary to commonly believed feminist propaganda, women do indeed get paid the same salary as men, given that they are willing to work the same types of jobs as men, and work as many hours as the men do. Despite this reality, many women come into marriage with very few assets, and often are saddled with substantial quantities of debt. In general, men are the ones who save and invest. Don’t believe me? Count the number of women of marrying age that you know who subscribe to financial services magazines or newspapers. A significant number of 20-something and 30-something women spend all of their disposable income on luxury rental apartments, upscale restaurants, frequent exotic vacations, leased cars, spa treatments, and excessive amounts of clothing, purses, shoes and accessories. Yet ironically, in the media, men are the ones who are portrayed as reckless, irresponsible spendthrifts.

When marriage enters the picture, double standards and financial imbalances leave responsible men to pick up the slack and fix the mess she may have made of her finances. Men are forced to spend their hard-earned savings, or take out an usurious loan, on a diamond ring. Women justify this relatively recent, mid-20th Century ritual, which was spawned by a brilliant 1940’s mass-brainwashing campaign launched by DeBeers, by insisting that a man wants to buy her a diamond and that it makes him proud to be able to proclaim his love and affection towards her in this fashion. Granted there are some men who may be inclined to declare their commitment to a life-long partner in this way, but there are plenty of men whom seek a lifelong partnership and commitment who have no interest in buying diamonds. What choice do these men have? None! To many young men, the ring, catered wedding, and honeymoon in an exotic locale at a five-star hotel is an unwelcome land mine on their journey towards adult financial stability and independence. To add insult to injury, he is now locked into a lifetime of insurance payments for this grossly overpriced jewelry. Contrary to popularly held belief diamonds are not rare at all, but instead are common and inexpensive. Their high price is due to their supply having been artificially manipulated. Some men are more concerned with realizing their dream of owning a home and becoming financially stable enough to begin a family and responsibly provide for their welfare. Men worry about these matters, because, ultimately, it becomes their sole responsibility.

The purchase of the diamond ring is a predictor of things to come. Immediately after buying it, the man may be rewarded with bridal demands to finance all or part of a lavish wedding, depending upon the size of his bank account and the ambitions of his fiance. The average costs of today’s Western Weddings frequently exceed that of a house down payment or, in certain parts of the world, the entire cost of the house itself. If a man enters a marriage having saved up a down payment for his dream home, it can suddenly be snatched right out from underneath him. Many men may object to spending such a large sum of money on what is basically a very expensive one-day, four-hour party. He also will be spending a year of his life planning it, when he could use the same time to further his career or education. However, what a man wants is really not of any concern anymore at this point in the proceedings. His wants, desires, hopes and dreams are ignored almost in their entirety. Her opinions regarding the wedding are frequently non-negotiable. A wedding is no longer an event that is equally for the bride and groom. As many of today’s Bridezilla’s will gleefully remind you, “Today is MY day!”. This gives her license to become selfish, irresponsible, demanding and childlike. A man who balks at spending his entire life savings, or shouldering a five-figure debt load, for the ring, catered wedding and honeymoon in an exotic locale at a five-star hotel, can and will be labeled as a selfish cheapskate or not a “Real Man”. If a woman leaves such a man for him suggesting that they try to keep their costs under control, she would have the full support of everyone around her as she dumped him.

“She can do better”, “Clearly, he doesn’t love her”, “He doesn’t deserve her”, and similar sentiments will be muttered in quiet circles just out of his earshot. This is a sign of her good self-esteem and healthy self-image, and a sign that she won’t settle for anything less. She is the poster girl for the Modern, Independent Woman.

Imagine if a man demanded equal treatment and asked that she buy him a new bass boat, and a two-week bear hunt in Siberia as a condition of marriage. This would be viewed as absurd, yet women do it every day. Modern Western Marriage is supposedly an equal partnership, isn’t it?

The injustices go from bad to worse when children enter the picture. If he can afford to carry the entire familial financial burden, the woman may now elect to stop working entirely. She will often make this decision regardless of how he may feel about it. The day she stops working is the day that all of her past financial baggage unequivocally gets tossed onto his shoulders. If the woman has racked up substantial credit card debts, these are now his payments to make; if the woman has not bothered to pay off her student loans, these become his responsibility; if she owes an enormous sum on her luxury car note, it is up to him to pay it off. Irony of ironies is that he is now paying for her degree and she isn’t even working anymore! Can he object? Can he say: “No Honey, you made your mess, and it should not be my job to clean it up. You knew that you wanted kids even before you met me, and you should have planned ahead.” No, he cannot. The payments can’t be deferred until she is once again able to continue repaying them herself, not if he wants to retain a clean credit rating to get a loan for their dream home. If he even suggested that she return to work to pay off some of her own debt load, he opens himself to criticisms of being an unsupportive husband and bad father who is endangering the welfare of his children. Now the noose tightens and the responsible husband compensates for the mother’s freewheeling and irresponsible past, and begins slowly to pay off her old debts. In the most twisted turn of events yet, the debt he is paying off may often be on credit cards used to finance Vacations, Hotel Rooms and Christmas gifts shared with previous husbands, boyfriends, fiances and lovers. Caveat Emptor! This is the reward for today’s man who works hard, makes sacrifices, plans ahead, and invests wisely. By getting married to the typical Modern, Western Woman, the man is certainly susceptible to being railroaded into this situation, because it is completely acceptable within today’s gender roles and societal norms.

Marriage can mean career slavery

Anyone who says, “Slavery is dead” clearly has not contemplated the predicament of the average Western Husband, where a good paycheck can mean career slavery. Merriam-Webster’s English Dictionary defines slavery as “…(T)he state of a person who is a chattel (an item of tangible movable or immovable property) of another person.” If the husband earns enough to support both of them, he would be hard pressed to make an argument to preserve equality and have her continue working as he does. If the wife decides to stop working, the man who has been left holding the financial bag finds his options very limited. He may find himself working in a career that he hates, for abusive and exploitative management, excessively long hours, in a position that is physically dangerous or demanding, in an organization that has no growth potential, far away from home. At this point, considering the corner he’s been painted into, he is often powerless to affect any positive, meaningful change in his own life. He may have been harboring delusions that once his wife was able to return to work, he would be able to gain some flexibility to rectify some of the shortcomings in his own career. Perhaps changing careers or accepting a lower salary at a different firm in exchange for better hours, a shorter commute, or more fulfilling work. Nevertheless, the distinct reality is that he will continue to shoulder the financial responsibilities of his family alone. His reward for working hard and getting ahead is to become trapped into his career, and become a specialized beast of burden to an emotionally and financially dependent family. Does it really pay to work hard anymore and apply oneself to his full potential?

If she stops working, she may never work again.

There are many debates about the merits of a stay-at-home mother vs. a working mother. My goal here is to simply educate the prospective husband on frequently unseen risks he is taking on when he agrees to accept 100% of the financial burden to allow his wife to stay at home. An informed decision is less likely to be one that may be regretted later in the marriage.

Every parent will agree that staying home with children is backbreaking and often mind-numbing labour. Many new fathers may concede that it is much easier to go to work than to stay at home with several children. However, the greatest imbalance in efforts and contributions to a marriage can manifest once all of the children are of school age. The house is now empty from 8am-3pm. The wife has 7 hours to herself while the kids are at school and the husband is at work. After a few years of hard work at home, many wives may feel entitled to “kick back” and take it easy. The good, supportive husband, however, has worked those same years, has done his 50/50 of the housework, and is still working just as hard to support the family once the kids are in school. His workload has not diminished, and it may have even increased as her expectations rise. He is rarely afforded the same option to scale back his daytime efforts.

What motivation does the modern wife have to return to work? Very little. For several years now, the man’s salary has been enough to live on. Otherwise, she would have been working to make ends meet. Unless tight finances dictate that she must return to work, the husband really has little say in this matter. The wife can hide behind many different excuses in order not to work, despite having little to do from 8am-3pm. Among the commonest are:

“I’m busy with the housework”
It is easy to exaggerate the labour of daily housework. Yet how long does it take to throw clothes or dishes into the washer, and remove them later? Vacuuming can be done in 1 hour a week. Grocery shopping is another hour per week. A decent meal can be prepared in under an hour. Does all of this add up to 7 hours a day? The lie that housework is hard, time-consuming drudgery is no longer as persuasive as it may have been in the past, because in an age of later marriage, many men are already experienced in cooking, cleaning, and general housekeeping and know that it doesn’t take that much effort or time. Humorously, not every stay-at-home-wife even performs all of these duties.

“I can’t find a job”
She has been out of work too long, and therefore is unable to find a job. This may be true, but many men do not consider this risk when they agree to support her while she “temporarily” stops working. Hopefully now they will, and can make a more informed decision. Many wives may use this as a convenient scapegoat to stop looking for any job at all. The next section describes how this can be used against him in the event of divorce.

“It doesn’t pay for me to work”
In the short run, the expenses of returning to work such as gas, lunch, clothes and day care may not make it worthwhile for her to return to the workforce. This may be true, but does that justify her playing tennis, drinking lattes and ‘catching up with her friends’ while her husband toils away? Many couples may be too shortsighted to thoroughly and comprehensively think through this issue. Initially, the cost to benefits ratio may not be ideal, but her returning to work will improve her job skills and network of contacts and over time the return on investment will improve. More so than strolling through the local mall every afternoon and window-shopping for new window treatments. Over time, as her career gets back on track, and she becomes qualified for better jobs, her salary should also improve.

It should be duly noted that some working wives view their salary as “personal spending money”, and still expect the man to pay all or most of the bills. Western Women are often heard to claim that, “What’s mine is mine, and what’s his is ours.”

Even more unfair double standards that favor wives

Cheating
If a married man cheats, he’s the scum of the earth. He is a selfish jerk that has jeopardized the family unit, done his ‘thinking with his little head’, and disrespected his wife and children. However, when the woman cheats, she’s portrayed as the victim of an insensitive and inattentive husband. “Poor thing, he ignores her. It is for her empowerment, to boost her ego. She deserves it after bearing and rearing his children.” It’s good for her self-esteem. Worse, her cheating is portrayed as the man’s fault. If he works long hours to provide for her and the children, he works too much. If he is tired at the end of the day from 13 hours of manual labour, then he doesn’t compliment her as much as she wants. Into this vacuum of conflicting expectations steps the first man who “makes me feel like a Real Woman again…”. You read that correctly; the man who is scrambling to pay the mortgage and car payments and is working double shifts to pay for the consumer goods she demanded to have is now considered a negligent and emotionally abusive husband. The man who may be working two jobs to allow her to be home with her kids is now considered a candidate for Domestic Violence.

When a woman cheats, the first thing people ask is what he did, or more often, didn’t do, to drive her into the arms of another man.

When a man cheats, no one ever asks the same question.

When a woman cheats, the reaction will be; “Oh, poor thing, I guess her husband couldn’t get the job done in the bedroom”.

When a man cheats, no one ever stops to think; “Oh poor fellow, his wife was horrible in bed.”

Let’s not forget what happens if a man were to leave his wife for a younger woman. This will become fodder at the coffee shop for months. It is automatically assumed that he is a shallow sex maniac whose only motivation was to be with a younger woman. The possibility that his wife was of a generation of women who were taught to hate men and that younger women do not, that she was lazy, or a reckless spendthrift, or verbally or physically abusive, or grossly overweight, or an incompetent mother, are rarely considered and are often totally ignored. The myth is that the only reason a man leaves his wife is to be with a younger, more attractive woman. Never mind if she is a better match for him and a more supportive, nurturing mate.

Pre-Nups
If a man insists on a Pre-Nup, he is selfish and unromantic. However, when is the last time a woman who demanded a Pre-Nup was called “unromantic”? On the contrary, if a woman requests a Pre-Nup, she is being fiscally responsible, sensible and looking out for herself. (Note: If your fiance refuses to sign a Pre-Nup, she has just shown her hand. Best to leave now.) Why is it that a woman can refuse a Pre-Nup, and it is accepted by society? In reality, the man should be outraged that she is after a legal contract, and not love.

What is astounding is the hypocrisy of the usual reaction towards Pre-Nups. Women can conveniently assert that a man is unromantic if he suggests a Pre-Nup. After all, how can a man pollute true love with the signing of legal paperwork! However, what is a marriage licence? Nothing more than a legal contract entered into between the man, woman and local and state government authorities. A woman does not seem to balk at signing this legal paperwork, which entitles her to at least half the assets a man has accumulated as well as half of everything he earns in the future, and obligates him to support her in perpetuity in the event of a breakup. Why aren’t men allowed to note how unromantic this contract is? The distraction of bridal magazines, place setting selection, floral arrangements, wedding dresses, receptions, wedding showers, and honeymoons have clouded the legal reality of what men are getting themselves into.Marriage is as much an unromantic legal contract as a prenuptial agreement is.

Initially, Pre-Nups were devised as a way to protect women. Nuptial agreements were popularized in the 19th century, mostly to protect heiresses from marrying men who were “out for their money”. Until the Married Women’s Property Act of 1848, under English Common Law, a woman’s property, upon marriage, was usually transferred to her husband.

“Stupid, Irresponsible” Men
Men are severely abused in our media, quite frankly. Just watch any TV commercial or sitcom and see how they portray men as idiots, dolts, or well intentioned, if bumbling, buffoons. If women were portrayed in commercials in the same fashion, “Women’s Organizations” would have a fit. If it weren’t for their wives in these shows and ads the men would be lost “animals”, unable to feed themselves or perform even the simplest of tasks. Other commercials make it appear that men act without thinking, only responding in an impulsive and irrational manner, and that the wife is the brains of the family. Even many women will agree that women often are the ones who act upon emotions and make judgments solely based up on emotional attachments and not logic or reason. Almost every “couples budgeting” article will portray the woman as the one who has to rein in the man’s childish spending, when in truth it is usually the woman who cannot control her expenditures.

Job Loss
If a husband loses his job and is having trouble finding work, the wife is completely and totally justified in threatening to leave him. However, can you imagine the reaction if a husband threatened to leave a wife who was in the exact same position? He would be vilified! If a man loses his job, the woman is justified in resenting the fact that the financial burden lies on her. He is no longer a ‘good provider’. When is a man allowed to resent this very same predicament? If a man is laid off and cares for the household and kids while the wife is working, he may be accused of not pulling his weight! Yet this is exactly the same situation that women demand more recognition for with each passing year! No matter what role the man plays, he loses!

Traditional Roles
It is perfectly acceptable for a woman to demand that a man make a certain salary, drive a certain car, live in a certain part of the city, have a certain job, have the ‘right’ manners, talk a certain way, walk a certain way, behave a certain way, have a degree from the ‘right’ University and dress in a stylish fashion, to be deemed “marriage material” and be able to provide her with the stability she feels she deserves. If a man demands his wife do the cooking and cleaning, he can now be labeled old fashioned and sexist. If he asks her to carry her weight financially, just as he does, he may be criticized as an inadequate provider. If a man insists that his wife honor the conjugal requirements of the marriage contract, he can and will be accused of sexual abuse, sexual assault or rape.

To add insult to injury, some women have gotten so pampered that they not only quit their jobs the day they find out they are pregnant, but they then go out and hire as many nannies, cooks, gardeners and pool boys as their husband can afford. Many Western Wives stay at home and hire someone else to rear the kids and clean up, while they drink lattes and go shopping all day with other pampered “stay-at-home” mothers. Does it pay to work hard and get ahead anymore, if this is how your hard-earned money is squandered?

The concept of the pampered wife is a relatively new one. Most of Western Civilization was primarily an agricultural economy even up until the 1920’s and 1930’s. Western Wives contributed to the well being of the household by helping on the farm. A man needed a wife as an equal partner. It was not until the 1950’s that the first generation of Western Wives, first in The States and later in Europe, Australia and New Zealand, began to emerge as dead weight. Perhaps this coincides with the spiking of the divorce rate in The States, and later Europe and the other English Speaking Nations, and the rise of Feminism. Perhaps men have become tired of giving so much, while getting so little in exchange.

Divorce

43% of Western Marriages end in divorce, and 70% to 93% of these divorces are initiated by women.

All men should consult a legal professional before marrying, and understand the implications of divorce, because the chances are 1-in-3 that they will participate in one whether they like it, want it, initiate it or not.

Upon divorce, all assets accumulated during and prior to a marriage are subject to division. It has become, simply put. a license to steal. Even if the woman has not worked in years, and has spent the intervening decade(s) shopping and lunching from 8am-3pm, she is entitled to half, or more, of everything the man worked for during the course of the marriage. Is this fair? How many people would ever agree to a job contract that stipulated that in the event of separation that one party would have to return 50% of the gross amount of everything in the pay packet? No one in his or her right mind would knowingly sign such an agreement. Yet Western Men unknowingly agree to the exact same insanity each time they sign their marriage contract!

“Assets accumulated prior to a marriage are exempt from a divorce”. In theory this is true, in practice it is not. If funds from an account are commingled or combined, it can become marital property. How do funds become commingled, or mixed? If even the smallest sum from a prior account is spent towards the marriage, all of that account will now be considered marital property. Buy your child a lollipop from your own account, and a good lawyer will take one-half of it for your ex-wife when you divorce. If a woman moves into a home the man owned prior to the marriage, it is not safe from divorce. If she so much as hangs up a sheet of wallpaper, puts up draperies, paints a wall, or installs a light fixture, the home is now classified as joint marital property, and is now subject to equal division. Worse actually, the man can be ejected from the home if she makes a false claim of domestic violence, physical abuse, verbal abuse or child abuse. Where is the equality and fairness?

Note:”Equal Division” is also somewhat of a misnomer. Often, she can get upwards of 70% 90% of the assets, while the man gets the majority of the debts! She gets all of the benefits, he gets all of the responsibilities. This, of course, is just and right and is his reward for working so hard all of those years. He can afford it; she can’t because she was not working.

If you pamper your wife, it can be used against you

Imagine that in the spirit of generosity and kindness that you gave a beggar a hot meal. A generous act, indeed. Now imagine your reaction if that same beggar sues you in court. He is petitioning the judge to have you keep providing him with the food that you gave him willingly, freely, out of a big heart. The judge orders you to keep feeding the homeless man meals, indefinitely, forever, because he has become accustomed to eating those meals! This is categorically absurd, yet this happens to Western Men in divorce court every day. Instead of thanking you for paying her bills for all those years, what you get is the privilege of being legally forced to pay her bills forever!

After having children, many women demand to quit working and stay home. Before the kids came along, many of these same women may have been in careers they hated, working long hours, and enduring long commutes. It is the man’s generosity and dedication to his own career that enables her to walk away from her own career. During a marriage, a man with a stay-at-home wife might work long and grueling hours in order to support her. He will pay the mortgage, the property tax, grocery bill, phone bill, cable bill, Internet bill and electric bill. He also pays for her car, gas money, clothes, and vacations.

As one final slap in the face, the man may be punished for working hard enough to allow his wife to have the luxury of staying at home with the kids. As noted above, after the children are in school, the wife may enjoy a life of leisure and relaxation that is afforded to her by her man’s hard work. In the event of divorce, he will be legally obligated to support her for years or decades to come. Because she stopped working and led a life of leisure, the ex-husband is now responsible for supporting her, forever! History has a tendency of rewriting itself. Originally, a woman may have had a career that she may have hated, and was begging to leave. Western Women often “play” at work and career for a few years after University, and then when they near 30 or grow tired of the workplace they seek out a man to “take her away from all of this”, whatever “all of this” may be. In fact her desire to leave the world of work may have been her motivation to have kids in the first place. But now, in her eyes, and definitely her lawyers eyes, she “gave up” her career for her man and his kids. She is now “owed” all of her “lost income”. His gift of leisure and support to her has now become twisted and is viewed as her sacrifice! Another way in which the situation is turned against him is that he will be characterized as being threatened by her having her own career, and that he forced her to quit her “lucrative career” and stay home with the children. Her lawyer will now attempt to convince the judge that he wanted to “oppress” his wife and “keep her down”. Truthfully now, how many men do you personally know that are upset at having a wife that earns a good living? Many of these misleading stereotypes still run rampant in our society, and are routinely used to the woman’s advantage during a divorce. As a result of her not working, regardless of whether she was minding the home or not, she remains a financial liability.

Generous, caring men who spoil their wives should certainly think twice about how this generosity can later be used against them. The phrase used in divorce court is “She has become accustomed to a certain lifestyle”. A husband’s reward for spoiling his wife today is the legal obligation to spoil her indefinitely, forever. Buy her a luxury car today, and you may be obligated to buy her luxury cars after she leaves you for another man! Yet, imagine a husband that became accustomed to eating a home cooked dinner, or regular conjugal visits. Now imagine the courts obligate the ex-wife to continue cooking for him and sharing her bed with him and his new girlfriend each night, despite being divorced! Inconceivable, but it happens the other way around every day!

The ultimate insult, however, comes when the man loses half or more of his life’s assets even when she has decided to leave him. Yes, a wife can unilaterally decide to kick a man out of his own home, and have the courts force him to continue paying the bills, while she is sleeping with her new boyfriend in the very house the husband worked so long and hard to buy! She can, and often does, spend her alimony check on gifts for her new boyfriend or lover! How is it that the legal system supports a woman who feels entitled to this?

The risks are clear, yet what exactly are men getting out of marriage? Many times, the reasons men get married are unfounded.

Many of the traditional reasons why a man gets married are a myth.

“I won’t die alone”
Wrong. The simple fact is that one spouse WILL die alone. Visit the hospital and go to the terminally ill or cardiac departments. Few people have the time to sit with an ill relative all day and all night. Yes, you may get visitors, but they aren’t having the same thoughts as you are. You’re contemplating your mortality, while they’re wondering what food the hospital cafeteria offers. In the end, even with a loving and supportive family, most of us will leave this world alone, unless you both die simultaneously in an accident of some kind. Your spouse may die fifteen years before you, or you may be in the hospital for your last year. Ultimately, we all die alone. Married or not.

“I won’t grow old alone”
Not necessarily. A marriage can self-destruct at any time. Your partner may initiate divorce at age 20, 25, 30, 35, 40, 45, 50, 55, 60, 65 or 70. Many married people end up in the same position (alone) as if they had never married at all. Now they enter their twilight years broke, as a result of being stripped of half or more of their life’s assets, losing half their retirement and pension funds, and being assessed alimony payments. Experiencing financial devastation from one divorce often may preclude a man from ever marrying again. This is a common observation of many middle-aged Western Women. Q: “Where are all the men?”. A: “He is broke from the divorce settlement, alimony and child support payments.” Thus these women don’t find him to be marriage material, and he grows old alone and poor.

Men are led to believe that not marrying implies only one destiny; that of a solitary monk in a cave, a shunned loner. However, life is not so black and white. Not marrying does not mean you cannot continue to date or have meaningful relationships throughout your life. There are plenty of single people in all age brackets. A bad marriage can be the loneliest of institutions, because most of your emotional outlet and companionship is concentrated into one person who gives back nothing in emotion, affection or support. Young men in their 20’s and 30’s should be more aware of the alternatives that exist in life. They should be aware that marriage is a choice, and is not the only path life has to offer. An informed decision is less likely to be one that is later regretted.

“I’ll get regular sex”
Not from Modern, Western Women. Access to regular sex is the oldest and the most frequently cited reason to marry. Many men now know that Modern, Western Women frequently stop having sex after just a short time of being married. There are plenty of “sexless” marriages. Talk to a few married couples that are honest about their relationship. One or both partners may stop wanting sex after kids, or the sex may be as infrequent as once a year or once every six months, or the wife may only have sex when she wants the husband to buy her something, take her somewhere, or remodel the house. Read the honest opinions of married men on the Internet. Most Western, Married Men will have more sex with their Western Wives in the first six months of their marriage than they will in the next 40 years. Lastly, it remains to be seen whether sex with one exclusive partner for forty years or more is even a natural act, or just a man-made convention. In many Western Nations, the wife is no longer required to have sex with her husband. She can deny him at any time, for any length of time. She can, if she wishes,deny him sex forever and there is nothing that he can do about it.In fact, if he insists that she honor her end of the marriage contract by being available for sexual relations, he can and will be accused of, charged with, and arrested for Domestic Violence, Sexual Assault or Rape.

Marriage is hardly a guarantee of regular sex, as many people are led to believe.

“I’ll have someone to cook and clean for me”
Not necessarily. While a Modern, Western Woman is perfectly justified in quitting her job in the name of staying home with the kids, she can also demand that the husband pay for a cook, a maid, and a nanny. This leaves the man to earn the money, and leaves him to pay for maintenance of household and children, while the wife gets to play at being a housekeeper. Today’s woman is empowered by not performing the traditional housewife duties, regardless of whether she is working or not. If a husband asks that his wife perform traditional household duties because she is not working, he will often be labeled sexist, abusive or controlling, even if he is doing his “traditional role” of paying all the bills, providing for his family, and performing the traditional manly duties of vehicle repairs, maintaining the lawn and house upkeep.

“I have to be married to have kids”
Not anymore. Her ovaries do not physically need a contract at the government center in order to be fertilised by your sperm. Cro-Magnon man had children long before lawyers invented marriage contracts. Often, you do not need to be married in order to share health benefits. You do not need to be married to designate your partner on a life insurance policy. You do not need to be married to own a dream home together. It is ironic that responsible parents who raise a healthy family, but never actually sign marriage paperwork, get less respect than divorced parents or married parents who are ineffective, inattentive or incompetent.

-Having a lifelong, faithful, committed relationship has nothing to do with being “married”.
-Owning a beautiful dream home together has nothing to do with being “married”.
-Rearing healthy, happy, and successful children has nothing to do with being “married”.
-Building a family and life together has nothing to do with being “married”.
-Growing old together has nothing to do with being “married”.

In fact, recent changes in cohabitation, partner and marriage law have proven that the only tangible consequence of marriage is having a formalized separation process that usually requires the talents of an attorney.

You don’t need to be married in order to throw an extravagant four-hour party, and share the same last name.

You don’t need to be married in order to involve the state and government in your romantic affairs.

You don’t need to be married in order give away half of everything you own.

Besides that, marriage does nothing more than introduce lawyers and social workers into your life. These are people that otherwise would have nothing to do with your life or your relationship.

Men need to stop and ask themselves:

“Why exactly am I getting married? What exactly does marriage mean to me in today’s world? What is the benefit to me to get married?”

It is no longer a lifelong commitment, because it can be reversed overnight on her unilateral whim.

Marriage was originally created as a way for families to merge land, property, political power and influence; perhaps people should return to viewing it as just that and nothing more. The rest of it is fake modern TV Fantasy and Tabloid Gossip and Hype polluting the minds of today’s impressionable youth, and a way to keep the multi-billion-per-year wedding industry chugging along. Perhaps the only criteria should be to ask oneself: “How excited am I for us to merge our finances and assets?” When all the fluff and hype are boiled away, that may be the only remaining reality. Spend a day in divorce court, and you’ll see exactly what is real and tangible and lasting about marriage. You’ll see women who signed the marriage contract under romantic pretenses who are now expert laymen attorneys who can cite case law. Bouquet throwing ex-brides now embroiled in warfare to get everything that is coming to them and more! The rest are myths, lies, bold unsubstantiated promises, and maybes. “For better or for worse…”

The Western Divorce rate is 43%. It is higher in some parts of the world such as California, Great Britain and Australia. In Japan the recent change in pension law may have many pensioners out on the street. In India new changes to dowry law have men being threatened by their wives. Consider the number of people who are in a bad marriage, but elect to stay; Men who don’t want to lose 50%, women who know they can’t support themselves alone. Next, think of how many more couples stay together just for the sake of the kids. Of these “forced marriages”, consider how many of these marriages involve infidelity, no sex, or sleeping in separate beds or separate rooms. I estimate the percentage of happy and monogamous marriages to be under 5%. Are these odds you would take in a business venture, investment or loan? Most of the risk-averse population would not. Yet they seek this exception to the rule everyday through marriage.

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Words are not enough to describe it I feel.

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TL:DR Don’t Ever Get Married. Learn from my mistakes. I implore you. I’m not perfect, but i tried to be the best husband and father that I could. If you can be bothered to read this, it will show you what can happen when a woman, even your wife…mother of your kids, decides you are no longer needed

I met my wife when we were neighbours back in 2005. I was 24…she was 32. I was a total Blue Pill Motherf~~~er.
We moved in after 6 months of dating, and life was good. We both had very well paying, stable jobs…although we were renting we were comfortable enough to rent a 3-bedroom house in an inner city suburb.

There were warning signs that now, looking back on I should have been able to recognize and jump ship straight away. Things like: Her family never really warmed to me.

She never wanted to go to visit my family (2-hour drive from us) and if she did, there was always a fight (initiated by her) either before, or during the trip to their place…which would cause extreme tension with all of us.

It was expected that we would spend the majority of our Christmas and Easter holidays at her families’ place (10+ hour drive away) whilst only spending at most a day (more often a few hours) celebrating with my family.
She was never comfortable when it came to socializing with my group of friends…. but It was expected that I would with hers. (weekends away with her friends, dinners etc. etc. etc.)

I (Stupidly)ended up proposing in 2010, and we got married 2011.l..soon we were expecting our first child.
I was shocked that before she went into labour she made me promise her that I wouldn’t tell my parents when she went into labour as she didn’t want them coming down to the hospital. (Another massive warning)
Our daughter was born in 2012 and I was relishing being a father.

Bearing in mind that she was on maternity leave and this cut her pay from 150K+ down to almost nothing.
As a result, I was working my ass off to provide for my family. Not just in my job…but at home as well.
I would cook dinner for all of us at 6 in the morning while I was getting her breakfast and lunch ready…then go to work at 7….work till 7… come home…change nappies, give bottles, baths, prepare food … rinse…repeat.

I came home one day (when our daughter was a month old) to find her with her bags packed saying she was “going to her parents place (10+ hours away) for a month as I wasn’t helping enough”. I was floored…I said to her that I was doing everything that I could…. but to her it wasn’t enough….so she went with our daughter for a month to her parents. I didn’t see my family for a month.

When she came back things became progressively worse.

There was constant criticism over everything that I did…from not cooking her the right vegetarian meals, to her complaining that she didn’t want to eat last night’s leftovers for lunch the next day (Yet I was still cooking…every morning at 6.)….

Saying she didn’t want my parents coming to visit as they encroached on her space ( yet she expected them to drive 2 hours each way every Monday to look after our daughter so she could have time out…
It was simply that she didn’t want them around HER.

My friends would cook us meals as they knew I was struggling and even though it was an amazing gesture and I was so grateful…my STBX would say to me when my friends weren’t around that “the food tasted like crap” etc. etc.…

It got to the stage where I was finding not just the meals, but the meals, untouched in the Tupperware in the bin. I confronted her about this and was ripped to shreds…

I blue-pilled myself even deeper….and accepted her alienating my family…and friends as part of what just happens during marriage.

All the meanwhile threatening to take our daughter and leave me if I didn’t do this and that.
I went without any form of intimacy from her for 12 months…when our daughter turned one I brought it up that we hadn’t had sex in a year…I asked if there was something wrong…She said that she had lost her libido.
Again, I just accepted this and whilst I tried to initiate any form of intimacy (hugs, kisses, cuddles on the couch) I was always given the standard run of the mill excuses (headache, tired, sore etc.).

She was quite happy to take massages, foot rubs, etc. but would always roll her eyes when I offered and say “you’re just doing that to get sex”

A couple of years passed with this steady stream of me being blue-pill as f~~~ and her manipulating me, alienating my family and friends and treating me like a doormat.

My wife would have 3-4 nights a week when she would be out for various reasons.

I had finished getting our daughter ready (as i did every night, which included the standard of being dropped at, and picked up from daycare, fed, bathed, stories read, songs sung and in bed) when she came home a little drunk, nothing too overt…but she for the first time in almost 2 years initiated sex with me. She almost seemed relieved that I accepted her advances (Massive warning sign)

9 months later, our son was born. That is when my life was literally destroyed.

Her behavior got worse, I suspected Post Natal Depression…and gently tried to suggest this to her…she flipped out and said that she had been seeing a psychologist for months because of ME…and that I was to blame for all of her problems..

I spoke to my friends, family and they agreed with me, that something was wrong with her.
I have never been concerned for the welfare of my children with their mother. Let me make that quite clear.
I found Facebook messages to her ex before me (10 years ago) saying that she was going to take our children and introduce them to him (he is a divorcee with a son, who runs an investment banking firm…. flash cars, big houses etc.).

Whilst these messages weren’t incriminating or eluding to her cheating on me, I was offended that she would want to introduce our kids to firstly an ex of over 10 years.
As usual, I was the asshole and stalker for bringing this up and it was none of my business who she took our kids to see.
She said that things to me after our son was born (during arguments) like:
At least I enjoyed f~~~ing my ex
You’re just a deadbeat dad
Marrying you was the biggest mistake of my life
Why are you such a Loser
You’re just a c~~~, like your father.

I’m going to put measures in place so that you never go hunting again *(she knew that outdoors and hunting were a true love of mine and I had been doing it for 25 years – only going once a year in Winter)

I’m going to make sure your son has nothing to do with you so he can grow up to be nothing like you.

On multiple occasions I was phyiscally assaulted by her. Once before our son was born, she said to me while I was driving the car on a road trip:

If you speak like your father does ever again, ill f~~~ing stab you

Some times that are burnt in my mind are: – She kicked me in the groin from behind while I was sorting out the Tupperware container, – She even said when I went on my annual hunting trip with my one friend “I hope you get f~~~ing shot in the head” – this was heard by my best friend – She hit me over the back of the head with a nappy bin while I was sitting down in the lounge room for no other reason than she was “disgusted by the sight of me”

Not once did I ever react. I’m a pacifist and have never even been in a fight…ever (I’m 34 now)
Here is where it when nuclear.

Our kids were asleep and I asked her if I could go downstairs and clean and polish the car as it hadn’t been done in a while…an argument ensued about me not spending enough quality time with her. I brought up the fact that she never shows me any intimacy or love anymore.

She went to punch me in the face with a closed fist, I grabbed her wrist and asked her why she was behaving like this and what the hell was going on. I let go of her wrist and she went to hit me again, so I grabbed her wrist and said “don’t hit me”.

I let her go…again. She immediately took her phone out and took a photo of the ‘hypercolour’ effect that your skin has when there has been pressure applied.

A massive alarm went off in the back of my mind…why the hell would she do this???
Over the next month she kept demanding that I leave our home, our home which I renovated, and we bought together…

I told her I wasn’t leaving and that we needed to fix this.

I finally decided that this toxicity in the relationship was killing me…and my kids…. and agreed we needed to separate. I was destroyed…ashamed that my marriage had failed…and didnt know what more i could have done.

So I agreed to mediation for separation of assets, child custody arrangements would come later.
I was also to move out within 28 days of the mediation, she would pay me an agreed amount 6 months’ time.
(Another massive no no)

I later found out that my wife had been having meetings with the mediator and her lawyer prior to this to formulate a plan to f~~~ me like a chook – and f~~~ me like a chook she did.

About 1030 at night I was working late (my career dictated that I had to do some work outside of hours) ….I got a phone call from a private number, normally I don’t answer and let It go to voicemail but I thought it may have been a client so I answered.

“Hello?”
“Hello, is that UrbanBanger?”
“May I ask who is calling?”
“Yes, its Officer Chad from Thunderc~~~ Police Station here”
“What can I do for you Officer Chad?”
“We need you to come to the police station”
“What for?”
“I can’t tell you that, you just need to come to the station”
“I’m not attending a police station unless I know what it is for….?” (this went back and forth for a few minutes)
“We need to serve you with an Apprehended Violence Order”
“What for??? What Have I done????”
“We will explain that to you when you get here”

I left work and went straight home…I told my wife what had just happened, she denied knowing anything about it and said that she didn’t know what the hell I was talking about.

I attended the police station…was served with an AVO.

I told them that I had spoken to my wife prior to coming to the police station and she knew had told me she knew nothing about it…. the police office scoffed at me, laughed and told me that If lied again, and tried to manipulate the situation that they would charge me with perverting the course of justice.
They also told me that they had seen the photos of the ‘bruises on her wrists’ (remember when she went to hit me and I grabbed her???) and that If my wife complained about me in any way, saying that I either intimidated, stalked, harassed or made her feel uncomfortable that they would arrest, charge and thrown me in jail.
They then accompanied me to my house, took my guns, ammunition, hunting bows etc.…then left.
I went back upstairs (330 am)…..absolutely floored and in complete shock.

My wife came out and asked what had happened. I told her…and again she denied any knowledge of it….

I then went to work at 6am and made some calls. I received solid advice that whilst I didn’t want to, that I had to move out of the house straight away as she could make up any s~~~ about me and I would be nailed to the wall.

I called my closest friend and told him what happened. He said I could stay with him as long as need be.
That day at midday I left work early to go home and get a bag of clothes. I called the police and explained to them the situation and that I wanted a police witness at the house to ensure there was no breach of the AVO. They complied and met me at my house.

I went upstairs with them and found that the locks had already been changed…and her parents who live 10/11 hours’ drive away, or a 3 hour flight and 4 hour drive…were in my house (conveniently timed???).
Over the next 4 months I gathered statements to help my case, evidence to show that she had assaulted and abused me (emotionally and physically) and managed to get the AVO quashed completely

I got my guns back and by this stage had moved all of my clothes and stuff from the garage to my friends’ place.

She still lived in the house that was full of all of our stuff, and refused to even let me take as much as a coffee mug until I signed the separation agreement which by this stage had been formalised by her lawyer and delivered to me. She wouldnt even let me see my kids.
Thank god I refused to sign that agreement – If had signed it…I would have ended up with nothing .
I told her that I wasn’t signing it until my lawyer had reviewed it. She went mental….like nothing that I had ever seen before.
My ex-communication from my family was preplanned, pre meditated and executed with the help of her friends and family.

My lawyer went through all of our financials, everything. They found that even with her being the primary carer, and the bulls~~~ AVO… I am entitled to a lot more than was in the agreement
They are in the process of providing a letter of intent to my wife at the moment. She either accepts it and gives me what is in the letter…or we go to court and that will take years.
Something I don’t want.

There is a lot more that went on that I can’t be f~~~ed adding here as its either irrelevant, or hurts too much to even type it out.

On the plus side…i was introduced to TRP the day that I was served with the AVO.
I only wish that I had found it before I had met my STBX wife.

In the last 6 months I have begun lifting, and gone from 88kgs to 100kgs (I am 6ft5) I am storming the trenches… 😉 I am spending a lot of time taking photos, which is theraputic for me, also hunting and rekindling friendships that I had nearly lost due to my alienation of them in my marriage. And fighting tooth and nail to spend time with my kids.

Hi guys.
After four weeks of planing, first and second stage of leaflet design and printing order has been completed.
Yesterday I sent my final approval and paid in full for 10k leaflets to be printed and shipped to me.
Color and spelling is spot on and the size of the leaflet will be
(A7) 105 mill x 74 mill metric or 4 1/4 x 3 inches imperial.
I expect to receive the bundle in 2 to 3 weeks

Now, my initial post about brainstorming for a leaflet had various responses and some concerns
and rightly so. However my thoughts and reasoning led me to a conclusion that If I do it correctly
it would not reflect badly on MGTOW. If it did, it would be no worse than the s~~~ they talk about us
constantly anyhow. For example, some suggested that it may cause littering and MGTOW being associated
with it would be frowned upon. Well, I took that into consideration and that is why the leaflet is
of a smaller size but also small enough for a guy to put into the back pocket and not have him feel
like he has a poster stuck in his trousers.

Additionally, while I did write/say that I felt like I had a moral obligation to do something, I neglected
to mention that the driving force of my motivation was that if I did not do anything, I was being
complicit with gynocentric politics shat upon us on a daily and long term basis.
I hope you guys understand my reasoning. I apologize if I seem to be taking this too far from MGTOW philosophy but I have reasons. A lot of it has to do with time.

MGTOW and men in general do not have generations or centuries to work on this while the world and events
are flashing by so to speak. Young men need to be alerted or informed in large numbers and as soon as
practicable so they know what s~~~storm they are up against.

Lastly, my group of social misfits and I have worked out a plan of how where and when the leaflets will be
handed out. They will distributed man to man at night time, Thursday Friday and Saturdays in busy parts
of city/s and suburb’s where the nightlife is good and lots of people about.
Tx for reading. Next update will be when distribution is in full swing.

Zero Tolerance

the following is copy/pasted from @habilis71

not many ppl read the post in that thread so i feel the need to repost it here b/c its worth reading
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Lies that women tell

ahhhhhh….. there have been so many… and so very many BIG ONES!

But to the one that cut to the bone and put me on the platation for nearly life. While in the military, and engaged, one month before the wedding she did the deed with a PUA guy in a town nearby, the type that she liked to have a tryst with. Her father found out and told her that she must tell me or he would, and she had been a slut and had betrayed me. So, she set it up and I flew in from a long way. After dinner and drinks, and in a romantic scene in the condo, she tells her story. Well, I was not only shocked but ripped to the max in my heart. Now then, she cries and says how sorry she is, and what a big mistake it is for her, and that she loves, loves, loves me only; and that she will NEVER do anything like that again, and for sure she will always be loyal to me no matter what, and will never cheat on me again for any reason; and that she wants to get married. So i took the bait and swallowed the hook. Max blue pill life. Busting my butt and being very successful and bringing the money home, and cars and houses, and clothes and all she could want. So, two kids later, who are wonderful for kids, and she does the same thing again with a handyman who is putting a skylight into the roof. 5 year old comes home and finds her in “daddy’s bed” with the “handy” guy, peri delicto. Same discussion, same promises, same sorrow, same tears and more. Then 5 years on, she is doing the same thing with a live aboard maintenance man at the marina by our yacht. Same promises, same tears, same same same. I must be turning blue as I am swallowing so many blue pills that the pharma die in them is changing my skin colors. Finally, 10 years later again, i discover she has been bopping with the boat guy, and has a new boat guy that i catch them on a butt dial on her phone, doing him. So, here comes the red pill. Swallow, and start a life. She gets big bucks and moves out of town. Then my “friends” tell me about all the men “friends” she has had over the years like a fast food drive up. After a couple of sessions with my psychologist, he says “well, the history of people who cheat, is that they say they will not do it again but almost always surely do it and over and over”. So, do not believe a cheater if you find one; and do not swallow the blue pill she hands you to take; and finally do NOT stay on the plantation as a slave providing her with jewels, clothes, furs, cars, houses, cash, vacations and so on, while she gets off with PUA men.

your dna dictates your need to approach women…. their dna dictates what they do when you arrive

MGTOW is not a movement, it is a way of life.

Funny thing happend to me last weekend. With my friend I was visiting an airshow on my home airfield. There were lots of classy vintage aircraft on display so I brought a camera to take some shots.
As I was about to take picture of the TBF Avenger some chicks walked right into the shot and start posing in front of the aircraft like freshly crowned entitled princesses.
After waiting minutes for them to leave I figured it won´t happen so I inquired: “Can you please move away? I´m trying to take a picture of the plane.”
It worked. After their “How dare you asshole.” glare they finally moved their asses over. Had a good laugh with my friend afterwards.

I´m half expecting the police with rape charges at my doorstep btw. xD

Qui audet adipiscitur - Who dares, wins

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Just ONE?

I’m not kidding when I say over the last 10 years I heard from practically every girl I was ever remotely nice to. Even non exes and non girlfriends(!). If you’re good to them, the exes NEVER forget you.

This is why I don’t regret any part about treating women “too well” and not being more of a dick when I probably should have been…. because it all comes around again. Fool is not the man who treats women well on his travels. Fool is the guy who gives her another chance, and mistakes what she tells you now for sincerity.

“Hey how have you been? You know I’ve been thinking… “

“One chance. Per chick. Per lifetime. No exceptions.”

I heard from every EX again. Even the flings after they got married and had kids. Trying to re-kindle something. Requests to meet for lunch. Phone calls. Emails. Paragraphs about the past. Even an “I love you and miss you” from a non-girlfriend I used to hang with for some time…. who I had a girlfriend when I knew her. I posted that screenshot here, too.

I even heard from a girl I haven’t even seen since the 10th grade(!!!) at school. She looked me up through a mutual friend. First word out of her mouth in over 25 years was a text “where do you live?”. Im like “Who is this?”. “Lol it’s _______ from school!”. That was the first word out of her mouth. “where do you live”. Even before “hey remember me?”. Creepy as s~~~. Divorced single mom too.

Then there was a divorced single mom from school I saw a couple of years ago. She was closer to my brother. She’s in town, we have a good time, get some dinner, drive around, have a drink. She gets on a plane, and then I don’t hear even “thanks”. Month later, she tells me she’s “seeing” someone. Good for you I say. Months later, Im in her town and she wants to buy me coffee. This time, without her kid. I’m thinking “WHY???”. She actually suggested we “date”. I had to say “if it didn’t happen back THEN…. why would it happen NOW???”.

Blank stare.

Then she feels me out for perhaps another visit. “GREAT IDEA!!!”, I say. “Let me know your dates, and if I’m in town, we’ll have a drink”. Not a peep from her since. Of course.

“Yeah but, you know what they say……. nice guys finish last”.

“Finishing last is not OK with me. I might finish on your face, though”.

HER STORY:
http://thoughtcatalog.com/anonymous/2014/04/dear-nice-guy-i-wasnt-ready-for-you-before-but-i-am-now/

HIS STORY:
http://thoughtcatalog.com/leo-steven/2014/04/dear-girls-who-are-finally-ready-to-date-nice-guys-we-dont-want-you-anymore/

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

Boy what a weekend. Did the family/friends lap back in my home town area. I don’t do it more than 2-3 times a year, and for good reason. I thought it’d be fun to share my quick-hit style observations to share how far I feel I’ve come and how bad it is out there. Here we go!
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1. Buddy of mine started seeing a chick friday night. She’s your no-prize, broke, large broad looking for some sap to latch onto. She’s living with her parents at age 29. Finding all this out, I was on high alert for my buddy as the sunday festivities went on.
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It was hilarious to see her pull her s~~~. She banged him friday, saturday, and sunday night. On sunday, she started making assumptive we’re-dating type statements like “We should totally go do that in September.” My buddy didn’t catch it soon enough and said “let’s go then.” She immediately stated she was going to take those days off when she goes back to work tuesday. I don’t think he realized he just affirmed her assumption that they are now dating.
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He also recently had his mom move out and he’s just getting the rest of her s~~~ gone so he can begin remodeling. In closing, I told him to be on high alert for her to simply start moving in without asking. I told him to watch out for her wanting to help remodel the house, using statements like “We should…” when it comes to decor choices. We’ll see how that turns out.
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2. Spent some time with the whole family. Got to watch my dad get railroaded and bossed around like a pawn by his new wife. “Go get this, do dishes, where is this, why isn’t this done, bla bla bla.
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3. Cousin showed up with his new girlfriend. Poor guy got smashed hard by his last woman. Seems like he latched on to the next one simply to make the pain from the previous stop. Whoa s~~~. Ish. Looked like someone hit her with a sack of burgers.
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4. Other cousin working on getting married. He’s a die-hard farm kid all grown up. Him and his dad are working on a plan to transition the farm to him when my uncle is done. My grandma is 87 and not doing hot, but she still lives on the farm. Her wishes are for my cousin and his new wife to move into the farm house when she’s gone, but his fiance doesn’t want anything to do with rural living. Now my uncle and my cousin are staring at some broad blowing three generations of family farming because she ain’t happy in the country. You can’t have cattle and live in town. It won’t work that way.
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5. Finally, my step mother again asked me if there were any girls and of course I said no. “Aren’t you afraid of being alone?” I said no. I told her what I fear most is being trapped, vulnerable, and miserable.

[habilis71Participant]

ahhhhhh….. there have been so many… and so very many BIG ONES!

But to the one that cut to the bone and put me on the platation for nearly life. While in the military, and engaged, one month before the wedding she did the deed with a PUA guy in a town nearby, the type that she liked to have a tryst with. Her father found out and told her that she must tell me or he would, and she had been a slut and had betrayed me. So, she set it up and I flew in from a long way. After dinner and drinks, and in a romantic scene in the condo, she tells her story. Well, I was not only shocked but ripped to the max in my heart. Now then, she cries and says how sorry she is, and what a big mistake it is for her, and that she loves, loves, loves me only; and that she will NEVER do anything like that again, and for sure she will always be loyal to me no matter what, and will never cheat on me again for any reason; and that she wants to get married. So i took the bait and swallowed the hook. Max blue pill life. Busting my butt and being very successful and bringing the money home, and cars and houses, and clothes and all she could want. So, two kids later, who are wonderful for kids, and she does the same thing again with a handyman who is putting a skylight into the roof. 5 year old comes home and finds her in “daddy’s bed” with the “handy” guy, peri delicto. Same discussion, same promises, same sorrow, same tears and more. Then 5 years on, she is doing the same thing with a live aboard maintenance man at the marina by our yacht. Same promises, same tears, same same same. I must be turning blue as I am swallowing so many blue pills that the pharma die in them is changing my skin colors. Finally, 10 years later again, i discover she has been bopping with the boat guy, and has a new boat guy that i catch them on a butt dial on her phone, doing him. So, here comes the red pill. Swallow, and start a life. She gets big bucks and moves out of town. Then my “friends” tell me about all the men “friends” she has had over the years like a fast food drive up. After a couple of sessions with my psychologist, he says “well, the history of people who cheat, is that they say they will not do it again but almost always surely do it and over and over”. So, do not believe a cheater if you find one; and do not swallow the blue pill she hands you to take; and finally do NOT stay on the plantation as a slave providing her with jewels, clothes, furs, cars, houses, cash, vacations and so on, while she gets off with PUA men.

your dna dictates your need to approach women.... their dna dictates what they do when you arrive

[xlrsnbrgParticipant]

I’m sorry to hear all the trouble you’ve been through. I can relate a bit, as I have also been in the claws of a woman with a personality disorder, probably borderline, I think she was also bipolar. I’m not sure, since she didn’t want to see a shrink because, in her own words in a moment of sincerity: “I am afraid what they might do to me” [if they find out I’m a monster].

Those were dark times for me, and at some point I have also had suicidal thoughts. I think this was the final straw. It awakened anger inside me, which lead to the realization that I deserve to live and I deserve better. Shortly thereafter, I was turning my life around planning my escape from her. Looking back, I don’t know how the hell I managed that, given that I had zero help from friends and family, on top of the control and manipulation of the pretty monster, and no knowledge of the red pill at the time (plenty of blue pill brainwashing though).

Not wanting to hijack your intro, I will just wrap up with two points.

Firstly, you are much stronger than you think. Whenever you feel weak, find the resources inside you to keep fighting. Never lose hope. When things are FUBAR, they can only get better, as you have said.

Secondly, thanks for sharing your story. Somewhere, there might be a suffering man stumbling upon it, and a life will be saved.

A man shouldn't make his life's objective to be on the side of the majority, but to avoid finding himself in the ranks of the insane. (Marcus Aurelius)

[RedpillPrimateParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

But you can avoid things by avoiding media. And also not paying attention to people you know will annoy you. Sorry to see that you genuinely are angry about things, but hopefully it passes.

I’ll definitely avoid media. I don’t like most of it as it is. The only type of media i really watch anymore are a few anime series and that’s it.

I may end up working towards becoming my own boss or an IT consultant. Dealing with co-workers is definitely a pain in the ass.

Beer wrote:

You want to go live in the woods…I’m planning on living abroad, but in the end I think our ultimate goals are the same…to not participate in this f~~~ed up feminist society and live our lives for us.

It is. My goal is to eventually own a homestead and get the f~~~ out of society. Either that, or move out to a non-western country near the beach somewhere. I haven’t fully made up my mind on it yet.

Create some projects.

What field are you in bro?

I’m studying computer science and going through some final courses. After I finish up with that, I plan on focusing my all my time developing code and researching cyber security concepts. I’ll also end up creating a home lab in my space to practice my pen testing skills in order to get a few certs.

Mgtow solves all this s~~~.
But you have to give it time and make the conscious decision to let red pill rage pass.

LET IT BE… LET IT PASS….FOCUS ON YO

That’s what I’m definitely working on.

Thanks for all the advice guys. Helps a lot.

When I first submitted my introduction, I had three issues. One being that I didn’t really understand the workings of the website, coupled with the fact I was also submitting it at the very time some arsehole was attacking the site. This resulted in my introduction being pasted twice, causing the flow of my story to be interrupted.

The other issue I faced was the emotions that came to the surface for me when writing my introduction.

A member has requested I re-edit and resubmit. I thank this member for his interest in my story. He has highlighted the probability that maybe others can learn from my journey. It is with this in mind that I take the time now to re-edit, though I am choosing to leave it as raw as it came out, as it was and is very real to me. Also editing it too much will just do my head in. I have added a few more details. I hope someone may find it either entertaining or useful for their own development.
I would also like to say that sharing my story, accompanied by the acknowledgement and genuine understand by MGTOW members has been food for my soul.

Ok here’s some of my story. I have always pursued the females. This is how it generally has been for me and I’m over it. I’ve been and I am lots of things including an entertainer. I’ve f~~~ed lots of women. I would describe myself as a kind, gentle and generous person. Like a lamb ready for the slaughter (though not anymore).

Sperm donation #1

When I was 23 a 32 year old woman made herself available to me and she stated that she couldn’t get pregnant. After 6 weeks of casual encounters I realised she was not much fun to be with and I couldn’t imagine being in a relationship with her. So she f~~~s off for a few weeks and then contacts me to say she was pregnant. I had no say in it. She didn’t want me in the child’s life at all. I left her to it for a few years. I tried to get involved when my daughter was 7, then 11. The mother was having none of it. This daughter is now 25. She wants nothing to do with me as the mother has ensured that her toxic potion did its job. I was nothing but kind to her mother.

Years past and I weaved my way through the narcissistic minefield that is the pursuit of vagina. Anyway I actually thought I wanted to be loved and to love.


Sperm donation # 2.

I wanted a family in my late 30’s. I was living in another country. I met a woman and very quickly she became pregnant. I wanted it to work out so much I even married her to prove it. She kicked me out of her house 21 days after the wedding. I was kind of glad because she was doing really weird s~~~ to me like deliberately keeping me awake at night when I had to work the next morning, trying to isolate me from family and friends, relentlessly making nasty personal comments to me. I could go on a bit hear but I’m sure you get the idea.

In a way I was trapped. How could I walk out on a pregnant woman? How bad does that look? This sense of duty, coupled with my desire for a family and the fact that I didn’t want to look like the bad guy, made me try even harder. Or should I say, put up with a whole lot more s~~~.


So I tried to reconcile a few times for the sake of my held ideal of loving and nurturing a family and of being loved and nurtured in return. She would just start with the s~~~ again and then kick me out or I would leave. I now know she was doing me a favour.

My second daughter was born. Up until she turned 4 I was still giving the mother ‘one more chance’ to show me love and respect. She just returned to the same script. I returned to my home country as I did not have the resources to stay and fight to be in her life. As it stands I have a 10 year old daughter and we now live on opposite sides of the planet. Her mother had a young daughter when I met her. She recently had her third child. She moved in with the father briefly but now she is single once again. She now has three children to three donors.


Now for sperm donation # 3 & 4.

I continued to play the dating game. With all the stupid s~~~ one has to put up with. I’m sure you guys know what I’m talking about. Then I meet a woman who was 11 years younger than me- I was 42. She seemed gorgeous and intelligent. (I was f~~~ing seriously hypnotised) I wanted a family.

She made all the promises. She even started a University degree because she knew I wanted a woman who would contribute to the finances. Everything was going to plan (I now know it was her plan, not the one I thought) Two children followed in quick succession. I looked after the babies while she was supposedly studying. Her behaviour went f~~~ing off the rails.
She never even bothered studying and she quickly dropped out. She picked a fight with a pregnant woman at a children’s playground for no reason, she was stealing from me, lying to me. There is not enough space here to describe the hell I was protecting my 2 young children from as she would fly into rages. Threatening to kill the children, threatening to take the children away and I’d never see them. Lying, cheating undermining. F~~~ me the stories I could tell. (Research cluster B personality disorders and in particular, Sociopathy and understand that she unleashed all of it on me- more about that in the next bit).

Anyway I managed to convince her to see a shrink. She suggested she see the one she had seen previously before she met me- a man in his 70’s- highly qualified and experienced.

I went and saw him too, but separately. Her behaviour worsened.

She pressured me into having a vasectomy. I would not have had this procedure if it was not for her C~~~ING PRESSURE AND ABUSE. I was willing to try anything that might recapture the (fake) bliss that was the beginning. As I was waiting in the pre-op room, I realised I could have just walked out instead of being mutilated, but I chose to stay and now I don’t regret it. I can f~~~ my brains out if I want to and no C~~~ can use me as a donor anymore.

Anyway, finally I could take no more. I couldn’t have the children witnessing this appalling behaviour anymore.
I pulled the pin. She exploded like FATBOY!

I went back to the shrink and said ‘what the f~~~ is going on?’ He said ‘Well, she has a personality problem.’ I said ‘What is that?’ He said ‘She has Narcissistic and Histrionic Personality Disorder and she’s a Sociopath, and it is obvious when you first meet her!’

WHAT THE F~~~!!!!!! Oh my god. I say to him ‘Why didn’t i see it?’ He said ‘AH, you were naïve!!’
NNNNOOO!!!!! So I started reading about that serious mental illness and realising I’m F~~~ED!!!. At the same time, this SPATH is riding the f~~~ing 3rd wave of feminism pipeline on the long-board of Victimhood. She gets to rip my kids’ away, label ME as the perpetrator, herself as the victim and the Feminist MEN AND WOMEN of the family court help this C~~~ to continue to F~~~ ME OVER!!!! FFFFUUUUCCCKKK!!!

Calming down now. Sorry guys I’m still in a pretty bad place. I nearly killed myself not long ago. I want to say that the abuse I and my children are suffering has been made worse by the laws and sick, toxic third-wave feminism. I am a Primary (Elementary) School Teacher. I love children. I am kind and gentle and nurturing. I possess all the nurturing traits the C~~~S think they own. WELL THEY F~~~ING DON”T OWN LOVING AND NURTURING!!!! I’ve f~~~ing cried a full bucket of tears and spent weeks in the fetal position as I try to overcome the grief of getting my own children ripped away from me. FFUUCCCKKKKKOOOOFFFF I did all the night feeds, baths, changes, playing with them while the LAZY C~~~ got fat on the couch. Then when all the hard work was done, she f~~~ing steals them from me. I’m F~~~ING ANGRY. FFUUUUCKKK!!!!F~~~ no s~~~ aaaarrrrgghghhhhhh!!!!! MEN CRY AND HURT TOO YOU F~~~ING C~~~S BUT THE DIFFERENCE IS ITS F~~~ING REAL!!!!!!!!!


Sorry guys- writing this is bringing it all up to the surface. I think i will appreciate the support here. Anyway I realise I have spent my whole life playing a game that is rigged. How f~~~ed up is that? And I know you guys know exactly what I’m talking about. I have a dream – yes a dream where feminist men and woman are f~~~ing burnt at the stake, then gassed in the Chamber and then flushed down the nearest sewer where they can REST IN S~~~!!! Preferably their own s~~~ because f~~~ me it is the most rancid s~~~ there is. RIS FEMINISM!


I am a broken man. I feel like a horse that has been in battle against a poison jelly fish on the beach. The poison f~~~ed me in the end. The faithful tide of Feminism came and saved and nurtured her again and again while I was slowly destroyed.
So I have two little girls 4 and 5 years old. I was their primary carer (week about) from when the youngest was 7 months until she was 3 and ½. The court cared S~~~ about that! The mother has a slightly older daughter from another donor.
The mother has recently met another donor. He looks like he has had a hard life and he looks like he is very involved with the lovely little family he has. SHE IS PREGNANT!!!!! I feel for him because I know her illness is such that she will soon purposely destroy that security he thinks he has. He looks vulnerable to me but that’s his thing to learn. Maybe he will be her first trophy on the wall. She didn’t claim the head of the donor of her first child. She nearly claimed mine. Oh f~~~ yeah. I nearly went and threw myself off the second floor of the family court building. A very fitting end but thank F~~~ I didn’t do it.

Thankfully the court has granted me the privilege of seeing my daughters 4 nights a fortnight. I’m so drained. The C~~~ and court has sucked my life away. My children do nourish my sole. But I’ve got a long road ahead at the age of 49. Especially with a cluster B F~~~ING FREAKING NUTCASE who will be trying to stick pins in my eyes until the day I die.
Sperm donations 5-18

Years ago when the entertainment pathway was out of my system, I went to University. It was then that I answered a call for sperm donors of the official kind. One got paid to wank. One got paid to get health checks. I know my donations produced children that now range in in age from 6-14.

Why have I shared this? Good question apart from the fact that it fits within the theme of my life.
I offer no advice to anybody. I have no regrets except not recognising cluster B staring me in the face. I’m clued up on that. If I had been before I wouldn’t have two little girls who fill me with their love when the feminist-approved time lets us. I am presently deeply wounded. I almost lost my life.

I played and I lost again and again. I will contradict myself now and will offer this advice to anybody who wants to read it. NEVER KILL YOURSELF. In the past when I’ve felt all f~~~ed up, things always got better. This is what I’m holding on to now.

To finish I’d like to share with you one of my Red Pills. The Pill bottle I have is a 44 Gallon drum.
My Lawyer suggested to me that my Spath EX would be seen by the Family Court as ‘the poor young woman victim who has been abused and controlled and manipulated by an older man’. She was 37-me 48. Yeah right! She was/is a f~~~ing abusive controlling C~~~!!!!!!!!

So my old buddy got through med school just fine. Built a successful practice and lived the near perfect MGTOW life. Young pussy on demand, went hunting with his buddies, golf, you name it. Bought an old but classic home. But he ran into the one hypergamos female who would not take no for an answer. She had a plan – the good life – and like any good parasite – she was going to get it.
She wanted marriage and nothing else. She was a single mom with little education and wanted the good life. Still in her late 20s and early 30s she was pretty hot and knew it. She had rode the carousel with lots of players and bad boys but of course they didn’t give her the ring – just the tingles.. When the fine doctor would not propose after 5 or 6 years she used another man as a ploy -got engaged to him. But it was a ruse. Got the Doc to finally cave in. Fast forward 15 years and three kids later. I don’t have to fill in the rest – you already know.
Somethings cannot be taught in school. MGTOW is here to fill in that gap.

[Anonymous]

jack reacher wrote:

I felt that way for many years until I found the red pill. Now I am 50, fitter and happier that I have ever been in my life, 6 figure income, two properties, bikes, truck, money in the bank, investments, and more. As Babarossa says, we are the prize. I would not risk that or waste my time with some woman, to somehow alleviate a perceived loneliness, or succumb to the gynocentric shaming – that would be insane. And I would deserve to lose all those things.

I second that Jack, especially during these crippling economic times, who need a woman thrashing around in your boat poking holes with her heels, while all your efforts are on extinguishing the fire and bailing the water? They ruin men financially during good times, and kill them during bad times, either way it spells endless financial, physical, and spiritual drain. In to many cases men have chosen to end their own lives, takes a hell of a drain to bring a man that low.

The loneliness evaporates during the reconstruction of your mind, some take longer. For me it was damn near immediate, just after I got my b~~~~ pulled through my mouth from the last and final breakup. Quite a while before the acronym MGTOW or Herbivore existed. I spent weeks slaying my own heart never to be broken again.

My life improved immediately and drastically as I was freed from the curse of the liberated modern women. Within a year I was flying an airplane in flight school, every winter I had my ski pass, every summer I built something.

Since that MGTOW lightning bolt struck my head, I have no desire to trade my “you’re all alone” for the gut wrenching heart break of today’s liberated modern woman.

Mind grinding soul wrenching NO!

KNEE DEEP, SUPPER STEEP, YES!

[OldBillParticipant]

I’ve two younger sisters and our father passed away before either married. That meant I was tapped to walk both down the aisle. Shudder…

With the first I was adamant that I was not to be involved in all the usual horses~~~. I’d walk her down the aisle but I would not be part of the wedding party. Of course that idea didn’t work out.

First, instead of wearing my own suit, I had to rent a tux which matched the groom’s men. Then, when one of the groom’s men fell ill, guess who was the stupid f~~~ who had to fill in for him in the pictures? That naturally meant I couldn’t sit with the relatives I planned on sitting with and had to sit with the wedding party.

Game, set, and match to my sister and mother who, if they didn’t actively plan it, expertly used my desire not to make a scene into manipulating me into doing exactly what I said I wouldn’t.

And I missed out on the open bar too. An open bar I was paying for I should add. They’d decided to have an open bar to lure the guests to the reception while the wedding party went off for photos and I suddenly was part of that party.

F~~~.

When the second wedding came around, I made sure I would only be involved at a minimal level. Fortunately, my second sister wanted a less involved ceremony and walking her down the aisle was all she wanted me to do.

Despite that, my advice to all my brothers here is to stay away from weddings if at all practicable.

One final anecdote, I once helped a cousin “escape” from his pending wedding. With one week to go, he confided in me that it was all a mistake but he couldn’t seem to get out of it. Thanks to my frequent flier miles, I shipped him off to another cousin several states away while taking all the heat. It helped that my family didn’t quite like his fiance and that her family wasn’t particularly enthralled with my cousin either. The women and manginas screamed for a bit while the older men took it all in stride.

The stupid f~~~ eventually married another woman a few years later and is now divorced.

Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.