QUESTION: Bachelorhood, MGTOW and Loneliness

[AFTParticipant 2722]

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Basically loneliness is the shaming tactic, the boogeyman to counteract pragmatism:

AFT wrote:

I’ve been thinking about the issue with the marriage “deal” a bit lately.

My opinion is that it is an outdated contract in the face of contemporary values. Historically, there is an “AGREEMENT” between two parties. The man agrees to provide and protect, and the wife agrees to submit, obey and fulfill her duties as an obedient and virtuous wife and mother.

Now contemporary values (via feminism) have corrupted the female part of that agreement whereby being a young youthful virgin bride is antiquated, which it obviously is in our current cultural climate (thanks to feminism).

Feminism wanted sexual liberation, for women, and I doubt anyone can argue against its current domination of social attitudes.

So here we stand, men with a plethora of free independent promiscuous whores that want to jump on that c~~~ carousel and ride it hard until they are worn out and used up cum soaked post wall whores.

Then they want to go back to the old antiquated notions of marriage, where the man gets to provide and protect, but the counter offer is no longer a young youthful virgin bride that agrees to submit, obey and fulfill her duties as an obedient and virtuous wife and mother.

The man is faced with either:

a burnt out, stretched out, cum dumpster, with attitude, that is ready to divorce him at the drop of a hat for his prolonged financial servitude.

OR

the ever enticing option of providing that “free” ride on the carousel that sexually liberated feminists demand, to be able to fulfill their emotional discovery of themselves.

It’s not men that are failing to provide their end of the marriage contract, it is the lack of marriageable women, and the social, financial and legal consequences of divorce that is the real nail in the coffin.

Funny how it is acceptable to shame men for not wanting to get married, but unacceptable to shame women for being unmarriageable.

When the war cemeteries are half full of the corpses of dead conscripted women, only then will women have earned the right to speak of equality. Sidecar “A man is a success if he gets up in the morning and goes to bed at night and in between does what he wants to do.” - Bob Dylan

[Anonymous 2]

AFT, your comment is simply brilliant!

[BritGHOWParticipant 2566]

As others have stated there’s a world of difference between being alone and being lonely.

I personally see being alone as being a choice, maybe not an ideal one especially to start with, but far preferable to any alternative currently available in today’s society. While loneliness is an affliction stemming from needing to be with someone so badly as being willing to settle for anything and not even being able to get satisfaction from that, which seems to me at least a fate worse than death.

Being alone gives me (near) complete control over my own destiny, provided I remain within the limits of the law I am able to do pretty much anything I want, without the need to seek anyone’s permission or approval but my own.

In day to day life, I choose what to do with my time, I can spend the day doing one (or more) of my hobbies, I can rack out in my hammock in the back garden reading a good book, I can study materials relevant to my career or I can spend the whole day playing video games and watching porn. Of an evening I can go out for a meal with friends or have them round for a barbecue or just cook for myself and in all of this I do not need to seek permission or approval from anyone. My life, my choice.

In my work life, I can make career decisions based on what is best for me. I don’t have to turn down overtime because I’m needed at home for whatever bulls~~~ reason, or be forced to accept it because someone “needs” something and we need the extra cash. I don’t have to turn down or be forced to take a promotion because of similar reasons. I don’t have to fear a redundancy, indeed I can volunteer for it if the payout is attractive enough. I work for my benefit and make decisions accordingly. My effort, my choice.

Financially I am in control, I choose what to do with my money, where it sits whether in cash or assets, how much is saved and how much I am happy to spend. If I want to buy something, anything, and I can afford it, I can, because I don’t have to seek permission nor beg forgiveness. My money, my choice.

And finally the big one, sex and relationships. Being alone means the latter are off the table, I’ve been single and enjoying the benefits of that for too long now to willingly give it up. However that doesn’t mean being sexless but it is now my choice as to the who, when and how. Why? My body, my choice.

[narwhalParticipant]

‘Lonely’ is just another way of saying you’re bored, and there doesn’t happen to be other people around at the moment. So, I get bored, yes. Sometimes when I’m alone and sometimes when other people are around.

Ok. Then do it.

[Big BossParticipant 4496]

Tim Patten wrote:

Bachelorhood, MGTOW and Loneliness
The idea of living alone frightens most people and MGTOW is often criticized for being a life of loneliness, but these are stereotypes. Bachelor’s in modern society often have the most active and wholesome romantic relationships available.

Ideas a feedback?

Just bust a nut and you’ll get over it real quick.

[Jan SobieskiParticipant 28791]

There is a huge difference between loneliness and being alone.

Love is just alimony waiting to happen. Visit mgtow.com.

[FullMetalExoParticipant 2383]

27 years old (Russian from Latvia), kissed many girls, screwed none,
I am alone, but not lonely > family and friends, colleagues.
Im not single, as it implies like Im lacking something or need someone.

Im not constantly living alone (as my mother lives in my apartment, but sometimes travels to Russia. Second apartment is rented for sweet $$$, as an extra source of income – definitely worth it), but when I do, I find it as enjoyable, it provides unlimited serenity and concentration on things that matter to me. It’s quiet or loud when I want to, It’s free place to invite friends for a weekend so they can relax from all the blue-pill hell they got themselves in to.

Living with family or not but …being free from a relationships-drama is even more crucial and enjoyable, as it provides me the freedom I need to enjoy my life and saves me so much TIME, cash and saves me from unnecessary stress.

…There is nothing like going to the Sea, in the middle of a working/study week, or going to a movie, out of a sudden, when Im in Riga. To any movie that catches my eye, no matter the time it’s played. Cause, why not, what holds me back ? Nothing. No one to be exact.

I love it, this whole package is outstanding.

My male (purple) friends and (blue pill) colleagues got no free time for themselves, and WHEN they do – that time is given to the women that will still nag them about not getting enough attention ! They wish they could do the things I do.

You can see the sadness in the eyes of a chained dog, that’s the look I sometimes see in them, heartbreaking .

I don’t want to waste time on things or people I don’t appreciate.

I hope for other man (and those who may possibly read this) to have as much enjoyment and serenity as I have the luxury of having right now. To get trough the struggles and rage you may have, to exchange it for a better, brighter future for your own sake.

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[FullMetalExoParticipant 2383]

Jan Sobieski wrote:

There is a huge difference between loneliness and being alone.

hehe exactly !

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[the roadParticipant 3125]

I’m not afraid to live alone. I enjoy my time alone. Back during my past relationships I was rarely allowed to do things for myself. If I did do something for myself, my girlfriend(s) would become angry and jealous. It didn’t matter that I spent most of my free time with them, it was always more, more, more… which would eventually turn into them trying to manipulate and control me. I can’t live under those conditions so I choose to move on if things come to that point.

That doesn’t mean that I don’t ever get lonely, I am human. I have a son that I have a little over 50% of the time. I sometimes get very lonely on the nights that I don’t have him. This doesn’t mean that I need a woman in order to not feel lonely. It just means that I need human interaction which is easy since I have friends and family. Even when I’m home alone on a weeknight and have no one to interact with, I have a slew of hobbies that I can indulge in so I’m rarely lonely. These are hobbies that I pretty much had no time for when I was in a relationship. I don’t believe that this is the way a relationship should be with one party or both having to give up on the things that made them who they are. My personal interests and hobbies are what make me. Take those away and I am no longer me, I am then just a mindless drone.

#MANOUT

[RhinoParticipant 3477]

At one time or another this was all of us these pictures says it all.

Being in a relationship and having a woman slowly suck the life out of you for her wants and needs drains you to the point you want to be alone. We were shamed into being with someone because that is what society wants. Am I lonely now because I am alone? Nope in fact since leaving the plantation I feel more alive and free to do and pursue anything I want to so long as it is within the confines of law.

Many have already said it better than I but being alone and lonely are two different things. I see more married men who are trapped, have the look of being utterly destroyed from within, all their friends and even family slowly taken away from him because the wife needs to have him all to herself. One day when she leaves him he will realize that he was isolated and alone that entire time and will be free to move on and hopefully learn from his mistake but most will not because of society pressures. They will try to fine love and become lonely again while in a relationship even though they know it is a trap and want out. Sometimes men just will refuse to take the red pill and there is nothing that you can do to change that.

[Frank V.Participant 2445]

For me this is simple.

I know so many men who “volunteer”, go out to bars & clubs or take on extra work just to delay coming home.

Me, I have it different. I come home when I want. No wife making demands on my time or attention, no crisis concerning the “kids” to greet me.

I can stay out as late as I want, as often as I want and only answer to myself.

I can stay in as much as I want, when I want and I have to justify it to no one.

I value peace and quiet and I get it on demand. I chose my company, in terms of who and when.

It is an amazing thing to have, an important facet of my sovereignty.

This is something very few married men have and many dream of.

It is not loneliness, it is sovereignty.

Perhaps I don’t get the “subtle benefits” of moving a woman in or getting married. Like having to live with a woman who is planning to “take you to the cleaners” in a divorce. Or, being like most married men, banished to a small space in the basement or the garage while she makes the rest of it “hers”. Other married men don’t even get that- the only part of the house that is truly theirs is the payments.

I also don’t have the fun of having an angry woman greet me with demands that I tell her every detail of where I have been, or have to answer her questions about that attractive new woman at work.

No, I guess I must suffer through being able to come in, relax, pour myself a drink and enjoy listening to an entire Mozart Symphony in leisure.

Please, explain to me why the Tradcons feel sorry for me ?

Frank V.

PS: I was warned about Traditional Marriage at an early age. I owe them a debt of gratitude.

[OldBillParticipant]

Writing Patten’s articles for him again, huh guys?

There’s a sucker born every minute and two to take him.

Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.

[Tim PattenParticipant 660]

I have a very wide network of friends almost too many really so I’m hardly ever lonely. I have a lot of hobbies and since I live alone there is always work to be done on the house and vehicles. Nothing can be delegated. I’m so busy running my business and handling

Thank you for this!

[Tim PattenParticipant 660]

Me personally, I am a volunteer firefighter, so i’m always at the fire dept. Go to the gym and get your workout in, participate in the local political meetings. Become a mentor for the Boys/Girls Club, volunteer at a homeless shelter to help people in need. Loneliness should not be a factor in any of this. Go camping, go hunting, go fishing. Put some aftermarket parts on your ride and take it to a car show and meet other people who are doing the same.

Thank you for this!!!

[Tim PattenParticipant 660]

In essence most of us here are lone wolves (albeit not automatically lonely wolves!) who ignore women (and not automatically hate women) and what is mostly being taught here is how to be able to make bachelorhood and mgtow lifestyle a voluntary decision but without voluntarily accepting loneliness as a direct imperative result of it, just because our current environment or general gynocentric society sais we should, because alleged “male privilege” or our obligations towards the system or towards women’s real agenda or towards whatever else have you.

Thank you Ned!

[jack reacherParticipant 751]

Tim, I think the question has an implied suggestion that there is value in a relationship with women. As MGTOW, many of us are well beyond that myth. Some have correctly stated the terms in your question are a shaming tactic. And they have also pointed out the difference between alone and loneliness.

I felt that way for many years until I found the red pill. Now I am 50, fitter and happier that I have ever been in my life, 6 figure income, two properties, bikes, truck, money in the bank, investments, and more. As Babarossa says, we are the prize. I would not risk that or waste my time with some woman, to somehow alleviate a perceived loneliness, or succumb to the gynocentric shaming – that would be insane. And I would deserve to lose all those things.

[Tim PattenParticipant 660]

I felt that way for many years until I found the red pill. Now I am 50, fitter and happier that I have ever been in my life, 6 figure income, two properties, bikes, truck, money in the bank, investments, and more. As Babarossa says, we are the prize. I would not risk that or waste my time with some woman, to somehow alleviate a perceived loneliness, or succumb to the gynocentric shaming – that would be insane. And I would deserve to lose all those things.

Thank you Jack reacher!

[Anonymous 42]

jack reacher wrote:

I felt that way for many years until I found the red pill. Now I am 50, fitter and happier that I have ever been in my life, 6 figure income, two properties, bikes, truck, money in the bank, investments, and more. As Babarossa says, we are the prize. I would not risk that or waste my time with some woman, to somehow alleviate a perceived loneliness, or succumb to the gynocentric shaming – that would be insane. And I would deserve to lose all those things.

I second that Jack, especially during these crippling economic times, who need a woman thrashing around in your boat poking holes with her heels, while all your efforts are on extinguishing the fire and bailing the water? They ruin men financially during good times, and kill them during bad times, either way it spells endless financial, physical, and spiritual drain. In to many cases men have chosen to end their own lives, takes a hell of a drain to bring a man that low.

The loneliness evaporates during the reconstruction of your mind, some take longer. For me it was damn near immediate, just after I got my b~~~~ pulled through my mouth from the last and final breakup. Quite a while before the acronym MGTOW or Herbivore existed. I spent weeks slaying my own heart never to be broken again.

My life improved immediately and drastically as I was freed from the curse of the liberated modern women. Within a year I was flying an airplane in flight school, every winter I had my ski pass, every summer I built something.

Since that MGTOW lightning bolt struck my head, I have no desire to trade my “you’re all alone” for the gut wrenching heart break of today’s liberated modern woman.

Mind grinding soul wrenching NO!

KNEE DEEP, SUPPER STEEP, YES!

[jack reacherParticipant 751]

You got it Mgtower. Glad to hear you have emerged and improved your life.

“The loneliness evaporates during the reconstruction of your mind.” 100% on that. It is a reconstruction of the self, minus the gynocentric focus, instead focusing on self awareness. In this way you become a better person for your own sake, and inevitably for everyone around you. You become self defined and self actualized instead of a slave to the skirt.

[MattNYCParticipant 2329]

I often felt alone when i was married. Yes, she was there, but we didn’t often connect. That’s like being “with” someone, but being lonely. FME had a great description of this:

FullMetalExo wrote:

You can see the sadness in the eyes of a chained dog, that’s the look I sometimes see in them, heartbreaking .

Now, with all things i’m involved in, i’ve felt lonely exactly twice in the last year. In both cases it lasted until i got together with a friend for dinner, or went to a tango dance event.

Hedging against loneliness by getting married is like hedging against a toothache by playing russian roulette…and you live next door to a dentist.

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