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[Faust For ScienceParticipant]

Bulls~~~.

Let us run down the list:

(Goodbye strong dollar and high interest rates)

On the campaign trail, President Trump talked about weakening the dollar and raising interest rates to help with the trade imbalance. This is part of his plan.

(Labeling China a currency manipulator)

President Trump is not going to turn up the heat on China as along as China is doing what he wants. Which seems to be the case right now.

(Trump also told the Journal he’d consider re-nominating Yellen to chair the Fed’s board of governors, after attacking her during his campaign.” I like her. I respect her,” Trump said, “It’s very early.”)

Yellen has been in her position at the FED longer than Trump has been president. If the economy collapses President Trump can use Yellen as a fall guy. If President Trump puts someone else in that seat, the globalists would yank the rug out of the U.S. currency and blame President Trump.

(Trump also voiced support behind the Export-Import Bank, which helps subsidize some U.S. exports, after opposing it during the campaign.)

This is a direct lie. During the campaign for president, at his speeches Trump talked a lot about having government help with U.S. exports. EXPORTS! Not IMPORTS!.

(Finally, Trump said NATO is “no longer obsolete” during a Wednesday press conference with NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg, backtracking on his past criticism of the alliance. During the campaign, he frequently called the organization “obsolete,” saying did little to crack down on terrorism and that its other members don’t pay their “fair share.”)

President Trump’s contention with NATO was that most of the other NATO nations were not paying their agreed amounts. I guess the foreign governments that are a part of NATO quietly told President Trump they would pay up and President Trump is laying off of NATO.

(Add to this Trump’s first, most prominent reversal, the launch of air strikes on Syria last Friday after repeatedly bashing Obama for even considering that, and Trump’s transformation into a mainstream politician now appears complete.)

President Trump stated he is not going after Assad. If you look beyond the surface that missile strike was all theater. Of the 49 missiles, most of the missiles did not hit the airbase, those missiles that did hit the airbase did not explode, no high casualty rate, only a few older jets under repair were destroyed, and the airbase is still functioning after the missile strike.

This was done to take the heat off of those behind the false flag gas attack in Syria whom were trying to use that attack to make President Trump look weak and destroy his policies. Instead, President Trump has used the event to pivot to North Korea, a regime that seems to actively want to start World War III.

This is just propaganda by the globalist lackeys in the press attacking President Trump.

Most of the President Trump supporters still support President Trump, especially since Justice Gorsuch is not confirmed and on the Supreme Court bench.

If the press cannot falsely accuse President Trump of being a Russian agent, the press will falsely accuse President Trump of being a globalist agent. You are going to see these false accusations switch back and forth depending on what President Trump does.

[It’sallbsParticipant]

MACHO wrote:

Obviously Women Can’t Cut It !!

Now that the world has been thoroughly f~~~ed up by the female () gender men () are finally waking up and walking out!
Now.. One big mistake that men might have made was to believe that females could cut it outside the homes! Right !! Now we all see the results of this terrible assumption! Women are..well.. after all only women ! It has become plenty obvious to many awaken men that they are irresponsible creatures.. incapable to accept the responsibility of their own actions, always blaming their closest neighbors. And the worst thing is they don’t even have it within themselves to see & acknowledged this flagrant truth!

They are like spoiled rotten babies holding the fate of so many in their hands without having the ability to wield that power with foresight and wisdom !

Men will have to take back control of this planet, one way or another or see this chaos continue until it plunges us all in some kind of Armageddon! It’s like having a crazy rogue captain at the helm of a cruise liner! A mutiny is in order!

Yes and the manginas should be arrested and put into compulsory re-education camps.

http://www.leavemeansleave.eu

Obviously Women Can’t Cut It !!

Now that the world has been thoroughly f~~~ed up by the female (♀) gender men (♂) are finally waking up and walking out!
Now.. One big mistake that men might have made was to believe that females could cut it outside the homes! Right !! Now we all see the results of this terrible assumption! Women are..well.. after all only women ! It has become plenty obvious to many awaken men that they are irresponsible creatures.. incapable to accept the responsibility of their own actions, always blaming their closest neighbors. And the worst thing is they don’t even have it within themselves to see & acknowledged this flagrant truth!

They are like spoiled rotten babies holding the fate of so many in their hands without having the ability to wield that power with foresight and wisdom !

Men will have to take back control of this planet, one way or another or see this chaos continue until it plunges us all in some kind of Armageddon! It’s like having a crazy rogue captain at the helm of a cruise liner! A mutiny is in order!

You must own a better Crystal ball than I

[LeitnainParticipant]

C~~~

I prefer more subversive methods, than direct approaches. The best way to wreck a system is from inside it. All I did, was put the noose back around her neck when she wasn’t looking and calmly walk off while she followed me. 5 years later and she’ll still message me asking for me back. I have no interest in going back to that. That relationship would’ve ruined me, had I not been so hellbent on my insatiable thirst for knowledge. You have to approach things from a practical standpoint when making large decisions. So knowing how to choose your words carefully, and keep a forked silver tongue behind your teeth until it’s most beneficial to you are indeed actually developmental useful life skills. Much can be said about the wisdom of knowing when and how and where to pick and choose your battles. It gives you a better tactical advantage. A lot of how you talk to people effects their perception of you. Either you can make their opposition into your advantage, or you can waste a perfectly good opportunity over some harbored emotional spectrum of yourself.

Consequently enough this was also how I came into a five-figure savings with no debt. I discovered that it also works on men, odd as that is. Actually, really all it is, and all that I do is ego exploitation. You bring me your objective reality and hidden agenda with an ego, and I hang you by your own ego and reap the rewards of no longer having to really deal with you. That company also now no longer exists per my exit in management. I spent about 9 months training a guy to do everything I was doing. I still had more than enough so I wasn’t really financially concerned. Besides, he was the guy best suited for the job and I was planning on moving on with my life at that point anyway. About 4 months after I moved I got a call through the grapevine of that business explaining to me that they no longer exist.

I’m a methodical person, is what it is really. If there’s anything I’ve learned about our social structure it’s that there’s too much head-on collision going absolutely nowhere making absolutely no difference whatsoever. So I just chose to think, less within the parameters of the social status quo and what is expected of me.

All human action and reaction is based on one of two things: Aspiration, or Fear. And if people can figure out what your aspirations and motivations are, or what you’re afraid of, then they can twist and turn you like a little wind-up toy. Women know this better than anyone else, I believe. I think one of the most glorifying moments as a man is when you learn to master this yourself to a point to where you put the axis of it back into your position. Because, they don’t expect an indirection to their indirection to yet another par meeting of indirection. They get lost on the second turn-around. And if a metric f~~~ton of priorities are flying around in the world of business and you can pull this over on your technical superior well enough they’ll get lost in it too. Out of sight, out of mind.

Why fight with a woman, when you can just win with one instead?? Why fight any fight, when you can just win instead?? True, there are those that love the hunt. I do indeed understand that. It’s a very sacred primal aspect. I just prefer results. In fact if we’re going on the topic of objective-based the result is all that really matters and patience and calculation is worth their merit but you obviously, can’t wait around with your dick in your hand f~~~ing forever. And, well women are particularly good at trying to string us along. A large part of it is within first encounters and how you present your character. I’ve just made it to where I don’t need to establish dominance because that’s already initially established. And in the event that it isn’t, well I could try arguing about it like a primate…or, I could just find a different woman more worth my time??

When s~~~ hits the fan, let it. B~~~~ up, don’t bitch, and just let s~~~ get f~~~ed for a while. But be mindful of your necessities when doing so. Now, when suddenly the fan finally stops working, then you take your necessities and point blank replace the fan entirely.

Some men own dogs for pets.
Some men own cats for pets.
I own a 12 foot long boa constrictor. Because it suits me better.
Plus maintenance cost is cheaper.

Sorry I disappeared for a bit, had to go to work. Now, to a few jack and cokes, and if I can get my shoulder to stop hurting I’m feeling slightly artistically inspired. I think honestly in part due to even these interactions. This is turning out to be a positive experience already.

As for my current interactions with women, I just kicked a slag outta my life. Essentially for being entirely too f~~~ing crazy for me. And that’s saying a long considering I have a necklace with a human finger bone on it and a human spinal column I got from an over-flooded cemetery in a below-sea-level town. If I’m gonna make stupid decisions, I’d rather not be the front page cover of “I’m sitting here all f~~~ed up and f~~~ed because of a woman and I couldn’t figure my s~~~ out after.”

"Life hath no spring, no axle, and no end." - Aleister Crowley, Hymn to Lucifer

A multi-level analysis of the US cruise missile attack on Syria and its consequences

This is an abridged version of the article by the one and only The Saker.
The full text can be found here http://thesaker.is/a-multi-level-analysis-of-the-us-cruise-missile-attack-on-syria-and-its-consequences/

The latest US cruise missile attack on the Syrian airbase is an extremely important event in so many ways that it is important to examine it in some detail. I will try to do this today with the hope to be able to shed some light on a rather bizarre attack which will nevertheless have profound consequences. But first, let’s begin by looking at what actually happened.

The pretext:

I don’t think that anybody seriously believes that Assad or anybody else in the Syrian government really ordered a chemical weapons attack on anybody. To believe that it would require you to find the following sequence logical:

First, Assad pretty much wins the war against Daesh which is in full retreat. Then, the US declares that overthrowing Assad is not a priority anymore (up to here this is all factual and true). Then, Assad decides to use weapons he does not have. He decides to bomb a location with no military value, but with lots of kids and cameras. Then, when the Russians demand a full investigation, the Americans strike as fast as they can before this idea gets any support. And now the Americans are probing a possible Russian role in this so-called attack.

Frankly, if you believe any of that, you should immediately stop reading and go back to watching TV. For the rest of us, there are three options:

(1) a classical US-executed false flag

(2) a Syrian strike on a location which happened to be storing some kind of gas, possibly chlorine, but most definitely not sarin. This option requires you to believe in coincidences. I don’t. Unless,

(3) the US fed bad intelligence to the Syrians and got them to bomb a location where the US knew that toxic gas was stored.

What is evident is that the Syrians did not drop chemical weapons from their aircraft and that no chemical gas was ever stored at the al-Shayrat airbase. There is no footage showing any munitions or containers which would have delivered the toxic gas. As for US and other radar recordings, all they can show is that an aircraft was in the sky, its heading, altitude and speed. There is no way to distinguish a chemical munition or a chemical attack by means of radar.

Whatever option you chose, the Syrian government is obviously and self-evidently innocent of the accusation of having used chemical weapons. This is most likely a false flag attack.

Also, and just for the record, the US had been considering exactly such a false flag attack in the past. You can read everything about this plan here and here.

The attack:

American and Russian sources both agree on the following facts: 2 USN ships launched 59 Tomahawk cruise missiles at the Al Shayrat airfield in Syria. The US did not consult with the Russians on a political level, but through military channels the US gave Russia 2 hours advance warning. At this point the accounts begin to differ.

The Americans say that all missiles hit their targets. The Russians say that only 23 cruise missiles hit the airfield. The others are “unaccounted for”. Here I think that it is indisputable that the Americans are lying and the Russians are saying the truth: the main runway is intact (the Russian reporters provided footage proving this) and only one taxiway was hit. Furthermore, the Syrian Air Force resumed its operations within 24 hours. 36 cruise missiles have not reached their intended target. That is a fact.

It is also indisputable that there were no chemical munitions at this base as nobody, neither the Syrians nor the Russian reporters, had to wear any protective gear.

The missiles used in the attack, the Tomahawk, can use any combination of three guidance systems: GPS, inertial navigation and terrain mapping. There is no evidence and even no reports that the Russians shot even a single air-defense missile. In fact, the Russians had signed a memorandum with the USA which specifically comitting Russia NOT to interfere with any US overflights, manned or not, over Syria (and vice versa).

While the Tomahawk cruise missile was developed in the 1980s, there is no reason to believe that the missiles used had exceeded their shelf live and there is even evidence that they were built in 2014. The Tomahawk is known to be accurate and reliable. There is absolutely no basis to suspect that over half of the missiles fired simply spontaneously malfunctioned. I therefore see only two possible explanations for what happened to the 36 missing cruise missiles:

Explanation A: Trump never intended to really hit the Syrians hard and this entire attack was just “for show” and the USN deliberately destroyed these missiles over the Mediterranean. That would make it possible for Trump to appear tough while not inflicting the kind of damage which would truly wreck his plans to collaborate with Russia. I do not believe in this explanation and I will explain why in the political analysis below.

Explanation B: The Russians could not legally shoot down the US missiles. Furthermore, it is incorrect to assume that these cruise missiles flew a direct course from the Mediterranean to their target (thereby almost overflying the Russian radar positions). Tomahawk were specifically built to be able to fly tangential courses around some radar types and they also have a very low RCS (radar visibility), especially in the frontal sector. Some of these missiles were probably flying low enough not to be seen by Russian radars, unless the Russians had an AWACS in the air (I don’t know if they did).

However, since the Russians were warned about the attack they had plenty of time to prepare their electronic warfare stations to “fry” and otherwise disable at least part of the cruise missiles. I do believe that this is the correct explanation. I do not know whether the Russian were technically unable to destroy and confuse the 23 missiles which reached the base or whether a political decision was taken to let less than half of the cruise missiles through in order to disguise the Russian role in the destruction of 36 missiles.

What I am sure of is that 36 advanced cruise missile do not “just disappear”. There are two reasons why the Russians would have decided to use their EW systems and not their missiles: first, it provides them “plausible deninability” (at least for the general public, there is no doubt that US signal intelligence units did detect the Russian electronic interference (unless it happened at very low power and very high frequency and far away inland), and because by using EW systems it allowed them to keep their air defense missiles for the protection of their own forces. Can the Russian really do this?

Take a look at this image, taken from a Russian website, which appears to have been made by the company Kret which produces some of the key Russian electronic warfare systems. Do you notice that on the left hand side, right under the AWACs aircraft you can clearly see a Tomahawk type missile turning around and eventually exploding at sea?

How this is done is open to conjecture. All that we are told is that the missile is given a “false target” but for our purposes this really does not matter. What matters is that the Russians have basically leaked the information that they are capable of turning cruise missiles around. There are other possibilities such as an directed energy beams which basically fries or, at least, confuses the terrain following and or inertial navigation systems.

Some have suggested a “kill switch” which would shut down the entire missile. Maybe. Again, this really doesn’t matter for our purposes. What matters is that the Russian have the means to spoof, redirect or destroy US cruise missiles. It sure appears to be that for the first time these systems were used in anger.

I would note that those who say that the Russian air defense systems did not work don’t know what they are talking about. Not only did Russia sign an agreement with the US not to interfere with US flight operations, the Russian air defenses in Syria are NOT tasked with the protection of the Syrian Air Space. That is a task for the Syrian air defenses. The Russians air defenses in Syria are only here to protect Russian personnel and equipment. This is why the Russians never targeted Israeli warplanes. And this is hardly surprising as the Russian task force in Syria never had the mission to shut down the Syrian air space or, even less so, to start a war with the USA or Israel.

However, this might be changing. Now the Russians have withdrawn from their agreement with the USA and, even more importantly, have have declared that the Syrians urgently need more advanced air defense capabilities. Currently the Syrians operate very few advanced Russian air defense systems, most of their gear is old.

[Sidebar: for those interested in seeing what such a system looks like here is a short video made by the Russians themselves showing how such a system is deployed and operated:

In terms of technical details, or we are told that this system can jam any airborne object at a distance of 200km

Legal aspects of the attack:

The US attack happened in direct violation of US law, of international law and of the UN charter. First, I would say that there is strong legal evidence that the US attack violated the US Constitution, Presidential War Powers Act and the 2001 Authorization of Military Force (AUMF) resolution. But since I don’t really care about this aspect of Trump’s criminal behavior, I will just refer you to two pretty good analyses of this issue (see here and here) and just simply summarize the argument of those who say that what Trump did was legal.

It boils down to this: “yeah, it’s illegal, but all US Presidents have been doing it for so long that they have thereby created a legal precedent which, uh, makes it legal after all“. I don’t think this kind of “defense” is worthy of a reply or rebuttal. So now let’s turn to international law.

Most people think that crimes against humanity or genocide must be the ultimate crime under international law. They are wrong. The ultimate crime is aggression. This is the conclusion of the Nuremberg Trial on this topic:

To initiate a war of aggression, therefore, is not only an international crime; it is the supreme international crime differing only from other war crimes in that it contains within itself the accumulated evil of the whole.

So, following the long and prestigious list of other US Presidents before him, Donald Trump is now a war criminal. In fact, he is a “supreme war criminal”. It only took him 77 days to achieve this status, probably some kind of a record.

As for the UN Charter, at least for articles (1, 2, 33, 39) ban the kind of aggression the USA took against Syria.

Political consequences (internal)

My son perfectly summed up what Trump’s actions have resulted in: “those who hated him still hate him while those who supported him now also hate him“. Wow! How did Trump and his advisors fail to predict that? Instead of fulfilling his numerous campaign promises (and his own Twitter statements) Trump decided to suddenly make a 180 and totally betray everything he stood for. I can’t think of a dumber action, I really can’t. I have to say that Trump now appears to make Dubya look smart. But there is much, much worse.

The worst aspect of this clusterf**k is how utterly immoral this makes Trump appear. Think of it – first Trump abjectly betrayed Flynn. Then he betrayed Bannon.

[Sidebar: I mostly liked Flynn. I had no use for Bannon at all. But the fact is that they were not my best friends, they were Trump’s best friends. And instead of standing up for them, he sacrificed them to the always bloodthirsty Neocons in the hope of appeasing them. This is what I wrote about this stupid and deeply immoral betrayal the day it happened:

Remember how Obama showed his true face when he hypocritically denounced his friend and pastor Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr.? Today, Trump has shown us his true face. Instead of refusing Flynn’s resignation and instead of firing those who dared cook up these ridiculous accusations against Flynn, Trump accepted the resignation. This is not only an act of abject cowardice, it is also an amazingly stupid and self-defeating betrayal because now Trump will be alone, completely alone, facing the likes of Mattis and Pence – hard Cold Warrior types, ideological to the core, folks who want war and simply don’t care about reality.

The worst aspect of that is that by betraying people left and right Trump has now shown that you cannot trust him, that he will backstab you with no hesitation whatsoever. Would you ever take a risk for a guy like that? Contrast that with Putin who is “notorious” for standing by his friends and allies even when they do something really wrong! There is a reason why the AngloZionists could not break Putin and why it only took them one month to neuter Trump: Putin is made of titanium, Trump is just an overcooked noodle]

And now Trump has betrayed HIMSELF by turning against everything he, himself, stood for. This is almost Shakespearean in its pathetic and tragic aspects!

During his campaign Trump made a lot of excellent promises and he did inspire millions of Americans to support him. I personally believe that he was sincere in his intentions, and I don’t buy the “it was all an act” theory at all. Just look at the total panic of the Neocons at the prospects of a Trump victory and tell me this was all fake. No, I think that Trump was sincere. But when confronted with the ruthless opposition of the Neocons and the US deep state, Trump snapped and instantly broke because he is clearly completely spineless and has the ethics and morals of a trailer park prostitute.

So what we really have is a sad and pathetic version of Obama. A kind of Obama 2.0 if you want. The man inspired millions, he promised change you can believe in, and he delivered absolutely nothing except for an abject subservience to the real masters and owners of the United States: the Neocons and the deep state.

Trump did get what he apparently wanted, though: the very same corporate media which he claimed to despise is now praising him. And nobody is calling him a “Putin agent” any more. None of which will prevent the Neocons from impeaching him, by the way. He chose a quickfix solution which will stop acting in just days. How totally stupid of him.

He apparently also chose the option of an “attack for show” to begin with, which turned into one of the most pathetic attacks in history, probably courtesy of Russian EW, and now that the USA has wasted something in the range of 100 million dollars, what does Trump have to show? A few flattering articles from the media which he has always hated and which will return to hate him as soon as ordered to do so by its Neocon masters. Pathetic if you ask me.

Ever since he got into the White House, Trump has been acting like your prototypical appeaser (it makes me wonder if his father was an alcoholic). How a guy like him ever made in business is a mystery to me, but what is now clear is that the Neocons totally submitted him and that they will now turn him into political roadkill.

I am afraid that the next four years (or less!) will turn into a neverending Purim celebration…

Political consequences (external)

Trump has single handedly destroyed any hopes of a US collaboration with Russia of any kind. Worse, he has also destroyed any hopes of being able to defeat Daesh. Why? Because if you really believe that Daesh can be defeated without Russian and Iranian support I want to sell you bridges all over the world. It ain’t happening. What is much, much worse is that now we are again on a pre-war situation, just as we were with Obama and would have been with Clinton. Let me explain.

The following are the measures with Russia has taken following the US attack on Syria:

(1) Denunciation at UN (to be expected, no big deal)
(2) Decision to strengthen the Syrian air defenses (big deal, that will give the Syrians the means to lock their airspace)
(3) Decision to cancel the Memorandum with the USA (now the Russians in Syria will have the right to decide whether to shoot or not)
(4) Decision to shut down the phone hot line with the US military (now the US won’t be able to call the Russians to ask them to do or not do something)

The combination of decisions 2, 3 and 4 does not mean that the Russians will shoot the next time, not by itself. The Russians will still be restricted by their own rules of engagement and by political decisions. But this will dramatically affect the US decision-making since from now on there will be no guarantee that the Russians will not shoot either. The Russians basically own the Syrian airspace already.

What they want to do next is to give a similar capability to the Syrians. Not only will that allow the Syrians to defend themselves against any future US or Israeli attacks, it will provide the Russians plausible deniabilty the day they decide to shoot down a US aircraft or drone. Finally, the Russians are rushing back some of their most advanced ships towards the Syrian coast. So after giving Trump the benefit of the doubt, the Russians are now returning to a Obama-times like posture in Syria. Bravo Trump, well done!

The Russians expressed their total disgust and outrage at this attack and openly began saying that the Americans were “недоговороспособны”. What that word means is literally “not-agreement-capable” or unable to make and then abide by an agreement. While polite, this expression is also extremely strong as it implies not so much a deliberate deception as the lack of the very ability to make a deal and abide by it.

For example, the Russians have often said that the Kiev regime is “not-agreement-capable”, and that makes sense considering that the Nazi occupied Ukraine is essentially a failed state. But to say that a nuclear world superpower is “not-agreement-capable” is a terrible and extreme diagnostic. It basically means that the Americans have gone crazy and lost the very ability to make any kind of deal.

Again, a government which breaks its promises or tries to deceive but who, at least in theory, remains capable of sticking to an agreement would not be described as “not-agreement-capable”. That expression is only used to describe an entity which does not even have the skillset needed to negotiate and stick to an agreement in its political toolkit. This is an absolutely devastating diagnostic.

This is bad. Really bad. This means that the Russians have basically given up on the notion of having an adult, sober and mentally sane partner to have a dialog with. What this also means is that while remaining very polite and externally poker faced, the Russians have now concluded that they need to simply assume that they need to act either alone or with other partners and basically give up on the United States.

I have already explained in my previous analysis why Trump’s plan to defeat ISIS is a non-starter and I won’t bother repeating it all here. What I will say is that Erdogan’s endorsement of Trump’s attack is equally stupid and self-defeating. I really wonder what Erdogan is hoping to achieve. Not only did the Americans almost kill him in a coup attempt, they are now working on creating a semi-independent Kurdistan right on the border with Turkey.

Yes, I know, Erdogan wants to get rid of Assad, fair enough, but does he really believe that Trump will be able to remove Assad from power? And what if Assad is removed, will Turkey really be better off once the Emirate of Takfiristan is declared in Syria? I very much hope that after the referendum Erdogan will recover some sense of reality.

What about the Israelis, do they really believe that dealing with Assad is worse than dealing with this Caliphate of Takfiristan?! But then, we can expect anything from folks with such a long history of making really bad decisions.

Still, it really looks like the all have gone completely insane!

Conclusion: what happens next?

Simply reply: I don’t know. But let me explain why I don’t know. In all my years of training and work as a military analyst I have always had to assume that everybody involved was what we called a “rational actor”. The Soviets sure where. As where the Americans. Then, starting with Obama more and more often I had to question that assumption as the US engaged in what appeared to be crazy and self-defeating actions.

You tell me – how does deterrence work on a person with no self-preservation instinct (whether as a result of infinite imperial hubris garden variety petty arrogance, crass ignorance or plain stupidity)? I don’t know. To answer that question a what is needed is not a military analyst, but some kind of shrink specializing in delusional and suicidal types.

So what can the world do?

First, the easy answer: the Europeans. They can do nothing. They are irrelevant. They don’t even exist. At least not in the political sense.

Some countries, however, are showing an absolutely amazing level of courage. Look at what the Bolivian representative at the UNSC dared to do:

And what a shame for Europe: a small and poor country like Bolivia showed more dignity that the entire European continent. No wonder the Russians have no respect for the EU whatsoever.

What Bolivia did is both beautiful and noble. But the two countries which really need to step up to the plate are Russia and China. So far, it has been Russia who did all the hard work and, paradoxically, it has been Russia which has been the object of the dumbest and most ungrateful lack of gratitude (especially from armchair warriors). This needs to change.

We better prepare ourselves for some very tough times ahead.

Our only consolation is that all the dramatic events taking place right now in the USA are signs of weakness. The US elites are turning on each other and while the Neocons have broken Trump, this will not stop the fratricidal war inside the US plutocracy. Look at the big picture, at how the empire is cracking at every seam and remember that all this is taking place because we are winning.

You can read the full analysis here

A multi-level analysis of the US cruise missile attack on Syria and its consequences

[TheStormWithinParticipant]

Oh, and as for how to handle this situation, just walk away. No explanation, no notification, no reactions. Nothing. She will go stir crazy wondering what’s going on with you. There’s a good chance she will finally give in and contact you to satisfy her curiosity and to get the “last word” in. Women LIVE for that sense of closure to scenarios.

Don’t respond to that, either.

Aunt Esther: Fred, I'll have you know this body was blessed by Mother Nature!! Fred: Well, too bad your face was cursed by Father Time!

[AutoliteParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

Macho. I dont try and do this cause its not how it works for me but, the two names Im getting are Bill and Joe.

Will Ferrell does John Edward. It’s just a spoof but it’s an exaggeration of how ‘Cold Reading’ actually works.

http://www.veoh.com/watch/v196049xZeGjNk9

I once had a friend who thought that talking to the dead was for real. I explained to her what Cold Reading was and how it worked. I showed her clips of John Edward doing his act and explained how he did it.

Consider also that what we see on television are only the ‘hits’. The countless misses are edited out for the television viewers. This helps to reinforce the illusion or the ‘trick’.

After a lengthy explanations and a long discussion, my friend finally relented and admitted that what John Edward does was only a trick, just an act. However, she said that; “All the others were for real“! FFS!!!

Hi everybody!

Obviously I’m new around here – so be gentle:

I’m a 45 yr old guy living in Brisbane Australia. Life seemed acceptable but dull for many years and the mind numbing monotony of middle class suburban existence with wife and 2 children left me utterly unfulfilled and feeling like a packhorse working hard for no enjoyment in life whatsoever. Wife seemed to revel in her time with the kids, seemed to resent time I spent with them and made no attempt whatsoever to acknowledge the pressures of the financial situation, announcing her plans and aspirations frequently without considering the implications of her lofty ambitions.

A few years ago, after increasing arguments over money, decreasing intimacy and a general malaise I did what many other before me have also done. I responded to the attention and interest of a younger woman – a former colleague with whom I shared a good friendship and bond. We got drunk… and we admitted our attraction to each other. Over the next few weeks we met often, spoke constantly and f~~~ed wildly. – All very text-book. She knew I was married and had kids, but she also knew that I was unhappy.

Obviously the marital situation at home didnt stand much chance of holding up or improving and before long it became clear I had to change things up. I moved away from my sexless wife and moved in my new girlfriend 16 years younger than me and considerably more financially secure! I was still spending a lot of time at the former home when wife was working shifts. Kids needed stability and I was there for them as much as I could be. It didnt seem appropriate for them to be around the new girlfriend, so I split my life between venues, balancing between kids and family responsibilities and a girlfriend who made me happy.

Life seemed pretty good for a while – except in the interests of keeping the peace and allowing feeling to be processed and get amicable settlements I was still paying a FORTUNE to my wife for all her costs and living almost entirely off the charity of my girlfriend. Wife and I attended some counselling sessions, in the hope (from my end) of trying to understand that our relationship had died and that we could move on separately without going to war. From her perspective she was hoping I would “see sense/the error of my ways” and return to being the loving husband.

Then after a few months, it got weird…..

My wife seemed to change (hindsight gives me a much more interesting take on this) – the anger subsided, the levels of cooperation increased, the acknowledgement of neglect and really oddly her libido seemed to experience a resurgence. When we crossed paths (as we do frequently with kids involved) she pretty much jumped me. There was only so much resistance I could muster….

The guilt I felt for ‘cheating’ on the ever supporting and understanding girlfriend was tough. How could I do that? Surely that meant I was not 100% committed to her? Was I just using her for financial and emotional support? This wasnt any way to treat a friend. Perhaps with a resurgent and newly understanding wife I could rescue the family situation?

I tool a hard (and misguided) decision to leave girlfriend and nervously move back to the family home. We agreed we’d try to address the lifestyle problems we had identified in the counselling sessions and attempt to rebuild something better.

I wanted changed our diet, I committed to an exercise regime and get us all off the couch. I was not going to sit in front of the TV and atrophy away. My family would be active and healthy. We’d do things together. We’d work at improving the run down s~~~-hole that the house had become. We’d share the burdens and split the financial responsibilities.

It didnt work.

I got fit and quit TV, the rest of my family ignored me (I’ve since run 4 marathons with another in 2 weeks time). I wanted to improve the diet – but the wife kept dragging us to McDs…. It seemed the harder I tried to make positive lifestyle changes, the further away she was from doing the same. Her “12 week body transformation” plan (she’d gained at least 20kg since we were married) lasted 2 days before she decided she couldnt be botehred. Her attempts to develop a hobby and start playing a musical instrument ended after 3 weeks. She had no enthusiasm for anything, and we found ourselves less engaged with each other than ever. The money situation hadnt really changed, I was still paying for everything, she was still spending like a drunken sailor. To top it all the venomous hatred in my wife that my ‘straying’ had created bubbled up again and I became increasingly angry at her that I’d thrown away and hurt a good friend (and nymphomaniac!) who had done nothing beside support me.

Last year I called time and decided that enough was enough. I moved into a rental, my kids could stay with me for the 50% of the time they needed to, and I was going it alone. I was going moving out not to be with someone else, but to be with ME.

Oddly enough, I still needed to keep paying for things. I knew that if I pulled out my support the kids would be punished. They’d be pulled out of their school, they’d be made almost homeless. Nothing was their fault – so I kept bailing things out. Still hopeful that such benevolence would increase the chances of an amicable split when it finally comes to the inevitable divorce. If we could avoid a heated legal battle, we could save $50-$60k of legal fees – and given the 50/50 parenting is always agreed and uncontested, the arguments of division of assets would only ever be fine details anyway (40/60? 50/50?). Amicable is clearly the better way to go.

A year later and the wife is still dragging her feet. I make suggestions of ways of dividing assets and future responsibilities, but I get nothing in return. I know if I have to get legal she’ll come off a lot worse off and I dont want to do that – but patience is running thin.

So thats the background…. I know that post-divorce my income could effectively rise quite dramatically through cutting out some of those unnecessary expenses (paying for a house I dont actually live in!) – but in order to get there, I may have to the hard-ass bastard I didnt want to.

I’d be really intrigued to hear the perspectives of guys around here. Some of you have no doubt been though the process of marital separation – did any of you manage to negotiate those waters without being embittered? I dont want to hurt my ex-wife. I just have no desire whatsoever to look after her any more! Its time to look after me for once.

[BeerParticipant]

PuniShredder wrote:

He’s absolutely right. Numbers have been worked out and home ownership other that a few times in history, is a bad deal after you pay a mortgage, taxes, upkeep. FAR better off renting cheap and investing in the market

When I bought my condo I didn’t have a large sum of cash to start with…I used about 25k that I had saved up while living at my parents house still as a down payment and for closing costs. When I moved out originally my mortgage, condo fees(which includes homeowners insurance), and taxes combined were about 750 a month, and renting about 750 a month, so in the start I spent my down payment money and the monthly payment was basically a wash. That was about 10 years ago. Since then, I refinanced when the rates were rock bottom and a shorter term loan with a rate less than 3% and a lower payment…so now my mortgage, condo fees, and taxes combined cost me about 630 a month. Renting a similar unit in the same building cost about 900 a month right now. Of that 630, 410 of it is the mortgage, 210 of it went right towards the principal last month.

Basically I could be paying 900 a month rent right now with 0 equity…but instead its like I’m paying 420 a month for this place, forcing myself to put 210 in the bank, and have built up 35k worth of equity. I also bought a year before the housing market meltdown…otherwise I’d have even more equity. Even after having bought right before the biggest drop in real estate value in American history…I’m still way ahead of where I’d have been if I had rented this whole time instead, and when I finally decide to just cut that last check to kill the balance on my mortgage…I’ll probably be looking at living here for 400 a month for condo fees/taxes compared to 1000+ for rent if I did it a few years down the road(although I plan on taking it the full length because the rate is so low).

For all the people who think renting is cheaper…just digest those numbers for a minute. I could move you into my condo and have you pay me the same rent dozens of other units in this building are being rented out for and you would literally be paying all my costs of ownership, putting about 270 a month profit in my pocket(even more if it was paid off), plus I’d be benefiting from various tax breaks and write offs while you’d get none. I just chuckle every time I hear how renting is cheaper when landlords that are renting properties out at a loss just to be nice guys wouldn’t be landlords very long unless they loved losing money, and if the guy is paying all the cost of owning the property and making a profit…how the hell is renting cheaper when you could just cut the middle man out who skims a profit off you each month.

Buying a property in cash if you have a lump sum may not be ideal…but realistically most people don’t do this. The real comparison is to look long term and think what will I be paying to live here in 10 years if I buy now vs if I’m still renting something similar in 10 years. Buying wins.

The big thing I notice a lot of people do is compare a little apartment to buying a house. At that point…no s~~~ renting the little apartment will always be cheaper. Compare it to buying a small condo though and long term the condo will win. If you compare buying a house to renting something similar…again…buying will win. I know when I was considering building a house, the thing that turned me off was property taxes here. The average house around here cost about 6k a year. I planned on getting a few acres, not the typical .5-.75 acre lot that is common around here, so I’d have been looking at 7-8k a year in property taxes. Doing that would have meant just my yearly taxes alone would have cost more than what I’m paying to live here now even with a small mortgage, and that doesn’t even include the additional time requirements and maintenance expenses of a house that my condo does not have, or is much cheaper.

[Anonymous]

2 choices…have it all go to s~~~ slowly and painfully-expensively
or just give it all the f~~~ away. let her choke on it all.

I dragged things out hoping to preserve my kids right to have me in their life. After $300,000 and 6 or so years of constant fighting, the c~~~ finally poisoned my kids against me and one daughter told me off on the same afternoon as I got the child support adjustment with retroactive payments that rendered me homeless for the spring and summer last year. Thanks Judge F~~~wit.

I expected the c~~~ to act rationally, and lost hard.

So that didn’t work. The c~~~ and the court raped me over 6 years, more than 250 court appearances, trials and follow up procedures all designed to punish me for s~~~ I didn’t do.

Maybe the better thing is to give her absolutely everything you own…and I mean everything. Contest nothing. Give the jacket and tie you wear to court. f~~~, give her more than she is demanding. When you have to go back and pick up your stuff, don’t. Leave it all for her to deal with. Part of the price of f~~~ing you over. There is nothing for you there anyways. It is contaminated, you look at it and it reminds you of her. In exchange, she never bothers you ever again, no contact, restraining orders, harassment charges ready to go. Court judgment is final, here is the line and no one crosses it. Start over from nothing. Buy the s~~~tiest car possible, move a couple states away so she can’t just pull you in to court every week, lose a good paying job and get a basic survival job, go deep into debt, live in a s~~~ hole and pray the c~~~ doesn’t come after you again. If you have nothing, she can’t take anything. Be a poison pill. get a new cell phone, get a mailbox address. disappear as best as you can. no f~~~book, no dating sites, no pictures of you on the internet. Do not ever go to the town she lives in ever. No contact, no explanation, no phone calls, get a new email. You do not want a harassment beef. You need something from her? do it through the lawyer.

Remember, your ability to rebuild is limitless, but you have to do it strategically. My rebuild starts in 3 years. Figure out when your rebuilding time is. Until then, embrace the suck.

Got kids Hitman? Not any more, they are lost to you. You will never see then again at some point, do you want a couple years of good times, then a stab in the back, or do you want to cut them loose early and move on. Either way, you will be leaving flesh on the hook. I stayed in for my kids in the hope I could influence their upbringing. I went from stay at home dad for 9 years to 4 days a month, then 2 days, then a couple phone calls a month, a couple texts and then told to f~~~ off. I rented 2 and 3 bedroom apts, had kid bedroom stuff, toys, took them to activities, museums, shows. Lots of expenses I really couldn’t afford, but did it to make my kids better people later in life because the c~~~ was not around to do that cool fun stuff.

Lots of hard choices to make, lucky for you, you have this forum to ask questions and see how we did with the decisions we made.

FWIW I don’t think it matters what you do, you gotta live with the decisions you make. The system is gonna f~~~ you hard no matter what. I can suppress my own rage for so long, then the night falls and all bets are off. I went through lots of sleepless what if nights. F~~~.

Good luck pal.

[RealityBitesParticipant]

I’m in my mid 50’s. I’ve ALWAYS hustled and pounded the pavement for work. I’ve frequently had 2 jobs and sometimes 3. Frequently these jobs paid next to nothing, but I still WORKED…and sometimes it also meant selling stuff on the side.

Didn’t date a whole lot before I got married…and I got married pretty late in life. After my marriage went t~~~ up…I dated a LOT of women. And the longer I hung out with women…the less I liked them, at the same time the more I understood why past events in my life went a certain way…

Basically I very slowly woke up.

After I got married, quickly I found all of these restrictions placed on my life. What hobbies I had, what I spent and how much I spent my money on things…even with money that was allocated for my own private discretion during my marriage there were controls.
There were restrictions on what sort of food I wanted to eat…who my friends were, seeing my family…

Finally….after giving the wife too much generosity…I said screw it after I became convinced she was positioning herself for initiating a divorce and getting lifetime Alimony and that she was out to financially destroy me.

After my divorce…I dated a lot of women. I pursued hobbies, I started a Business, I saved and invested far more money than I ever did when I was married or before I was married. Bought Motorcyle, and a few toys, planted a lot of fruit trees in the backyard to turn it into a mini-orchard.

In the end…getting a Divorce was one of the better things I did in life. Also investing, saving, and starting a business was also one of the better things I did.
Another good thing was just happening along by pure chance running across some MGTOW articles that cleared up a lot of mysteries for me…

Been going strong ever since….gave up on dating. It wasn’t worth my money or my time….they were all out for the same thing.

Right now…I am very focused on positioning myself for retirement…focused on my health and happiness…I realized and came to grips that I spent most of my life chasing after a Mirage: a Lie.

Women are simply incapable of loving men the way men love women…women treat men as Utility/Money Objects and do not consider Men as fully human, but rather as lesser creatures: like an Amish Farmer views a good plow horse.

Women do not respect men, do not welcome their advice or thoughts, and really don’t care about a man’s health and well-being. They ONLY care about what, how much, and how long…they can benefit from a man before moving onto a better deal (man).

Awakened wrote:

ing myself for the biggest reset

Awakened wrote:

It’s my belief that a rather large reason that our economy is still progressing so slowly has to do with so many men NOT fully participating in the economy as much as their tradcon forefathers.

This is NOT limited to MGTOW badge wearing members, but INCLUDES Men from all walks of life.

There are MGTOW men that value their Time over Money, and work just enough to afford to live and Enjoy their hobbies. Other MGTOW men will be killing it at the job to make extra cash, but not to spend. Instead they’re saving/investing for an early retirement. This takes all those “spending” dollars out of the economy.

Then there are “other” men that just see their wives “waste” all of their hard earned cash, and basically say f~~~ it to: overtime, further education, promotions, starting small businesses ETC.

There are Men who can see divorce in the future, and don’t want to work harder and shorten their life span just to GIVE the EX a larger alimony check.

Let’s add to the mix the younger Men that may not identify as MGTOW either, but are also opting out of the tradcon lifestyle, and more and more are not even perusing 4 year degrees anymore never mind marriage and procreation.

I’m assuming the Herbivore Men of japan have had quite an influence over the Japanese economy as well as the projected birth rate.

WHERE ARE you men on all of this: spending less, or investing more, or working less, or NOT perusing job advancements due to potential divorce/alimony issues ETC. ETC. ????

HOW Has MGTOW and/ or marriage/divorce affected your spending/saving ??

OR, Maybe, you’re doing what you have always done……What’s that ??

[AntipathyParticipant]

This is the globalists plan. Remove the governing bodies of the world that don’t accept the globalist ideas, corporate monopoly, etc. Destabilization creates endless war, meaning endless money for defense contractors etc etc.

I don’t claim Assad is a great guy, and i don’t claim Putin is a good guy. But this is sickening to see that trump has finally given U.S intelligence the green light to do as they please.

He may want to reconsider this stance, because the loons inside U.S intelligence, will eventually push the envelope against Russia too far, and all bets are off at that point.

[Ranger OneParticipant]

Sandals wrote:

This is a tough one. This is, I think the second time they are gassing people over there, no? Obozo did nothing the first time, so that’s a green light to keep gassing people. If Trump lets it stand, every country will be gassing everyone pretty soon. Trump really had no choice but to send a clear and immediate message, then.

Curiously, when Reagan was president, it was crickets when Iraq used mustard gas on the Iranians. And Bechtel (when George Schultz was an executive) had no trouble selling the mustard gas to Saddam to use.

I remember a decade ago General Wesley Clark saying the US was going to overthrow Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Somalia, Sudan, Libya, and Iran. It is funny how the Deep State’s plans keep running, no matter who is President.

One might get the idea that undemocratic institutions just lie to whomever is elected President and manipulate him into continuing the plan.

I guess hilarity will ensue when we finally alienate Russia enough to make them enter into a formal NATO-like military alliance with China, which is the true rising threat (manpower, economy, technology) to the US.

All my life I've had doubts about who I am, where I belonged. Now I'm like the arrow that springs from the bow. No hesitation, no doubts. The path is clear. And what are you? Alive. Everything else is negotiable. Women have rights; men have responsibilities; MGTOW have freedom. Marriage is for chumps. If someone stands in the way of true justice, you simply walk up behind them and stab them in the heart-R'as al Ghul.

[Ranger OneParticipant]

FrostByte wrote:

rangerone314 wrote:

All I have to do is for a couple months be careful about going to any area with the current gf where the local ex-gf might see me. After a couple of months, if she saw me with a woman, the most obvious explanation would be that I got a new gf.

All that conniving will back fire eventually. You can’t justify to me that being sneaky and underhanded (even to woman) is a path that will liberate you. Your not really going your own way your just reacting to fear of her way. She might find out. She might leave me. She might do something to me.. She ,she she. There is nothing sovereign here. You’re just kissing her ass in a backhanded way.

Well, in fairness to myself, I went on 46 first dates from June 2016 to about December 20. Only 5 of those 46 resulted in 2nd dates. So in the last few days of December, I went on 1st dates with two women, same first name. Expected 0-1 of them to want a 2nd date, based on prior experience. So, I dated in parallel. To my surprise I got 2nd dates with both. The Asian girl (local) was real chaste, the white girl (more distant) threw herself at me the 2nd date.

I didn’t want to punish the Asian girl for being more chaste, so I went on 4 more dates with both of them and the Asian girl decided she wanted me to be official boyfriend on the 6th date, despite not sleeping together, and the white gf who had slept with me on the 2nd date and so forth finally started to lean towards me being official bf. I googled dating in the Asian girl’s Vietnamese culture and found out that behavior is not unusual (more like dating in 1950s USA).

Not sure at which point I should have just bounced one of them? 2nd date? 3rd date? 4th date? The Asian gf put out on the 8th date, about when the white girl wanted to call me official bf.

Its not like I had one established gf I was dating for 6 months and then set out to cheat. I dated two women, and simply chose the one most suitable for my needs.

I’m not going to be shamed for my choices, any more than I would be shamed by some permanent-boner PUA trying to shame me if I went totally celibate.

All my life I've had doubts about who I am, where I belonged. Now I'm like the arrow that springs from the bow. No hesitation, no doubts. The path is clear. And what are you? Alive. Everything else is negotiable. Women have rights; men have responsibilities; MGTOW have freedom. Marriage is for chumps. If someone stands in the way of true justice, you simply walk up behind them and stab them in the heart-R'as al Ghul.

I have to say, this website has really put me in a great mood. Some posts I’ve read gave me the perspective, from the person posting, that this site trends to the negative. I don’t agree. Men are gruff and straight forward with one another when things count.

For the last two – three years before I found MGTOW I have been a complete wreck full of insecurities about my physical appearance, and lack of accomplishments. I believe I was slowly programmed to believe this through the influences of the last “she devil” I was trying to follow societal norms with.

With the appearance of more than intolerable behavior continuing to become present in the “she devil” my resolve started to solidify.

I up and walked out of the “she devil’s” life without telling her when it was going to happen or how. I made a plan, had patience, and followed through. I really wasn’t sure what to expect for my future. I left because the intolerable behavior could not be tolerated anymore.

When I bought my house and moved in I was on a high. It is my decision what new appliances I was going to get, what style of furniture suite me best, what paint I was going to select to make this house mine, etc. Things seemed… better?

No, I was still dragging the sulky, wimpy, insecure me through life. I had a good start immediately after leaving, but there was still a lot I did not recognize that I was missing. I started to feel as though I was stuck in a rut with the diff case half submerged in muck, and/or high centered. The wheels are spinning and there is a lot of noise, but I wasn’t moving my own way to betterment.

I would come home every day with lack of motivation. I would get the basic chores done, etc., but there was no improvement to my station.

I don’t even remember how I came about this MGTOW movement/ideology, but it has forced me to self-analyze my way of thinking, and conduct in general.

This week after my first posts and lurking on others I decided to finally climb down out of the Jeep and grab the shovel, winch cable, and Hi-Lift jack. Damn, I can see with clarity all the stuck I am actually in now. It is some disgusting muck, gentlemen. No tow truck is making it down this trail to help. I’m going to get this thing moving again, and I’m going to get it done solo.

There are those here in a world of hurt, and there are some that seem to be on top of the world while others are somewhere in between. Before coming here I thought I was at the bottom, but come to find out there are other poor bastards worse off than I. Whether you can buy a gold Rolex, or barely afford a can of soup, we all have one thing that few others have – an understanding that societal norms are not correct. We may be fighting our own individual battles, but our direction is the same, and it is our own way! If you are on the bottom… keep working because your accomplishments are going to be that much more grand!

I wanted to thank you guys for providing a man’s garage forum, and the instructions on how to use my shovel, winch, and jack. Directly, or indirectly, in some cases, you all provided me something to strive for… making myself better which leads to a better life.

I made a bet on another thread about limiting the unnecessary in life as much as possible. I started that yesterday – one less beer was drank for the night. Tonight, one less. Also, the Total Gym, dumbbells, and Wavemaster will be reintroduced to the schedule. My inner twelve year old plans on kicking my ass everyday now, and I’m actually looking forward to it.

Thank you for the recovery tools instructions, gentlemen!

MGTOW helps men build their inner strength and turn away from the consequences of over indulgence of the unnecessary.

[Anonymous]

I’m chugging along thankful I’m not trying to compete for a piece of dry land in a crowded homeless community living in the woods.

I’m burning motoroil and wood as we speak to limit my oil consumption, I’m living a much more frugal life and still have my efforts and eye on making money, the economy has been f~~~ed for more than a decade, I can’t believe I made it this far, I’m still in liquidation mode but don’t have time with the spring planting season, getting a new flock of chickens and some turkeys too. I never had a garden until the first collapse when I lost faith in the stock market and knew how bad Obama was f~~~ing up things and only making it worse.

I’m positioning myself for the biggest reset in history when this house of card hustlers finally implodes.

I’ve survived through these recent hard times on 1/12 of my former participation in the economy, they can’t tax what you create out of thin air!

They want me to plug back into the MATRIX instead of letting go and trimming everything down to the necessities to keep a cash flow into a pool of savings. In other words next time I’m blessed with a good and stable income I’M GONNA BE A F~~~ING SCROOGE!

And you can bet I’m WORKING ON IT!

Hello everyone. I have been reading a lot on here and wanted to finally make my introduction.

I was a purple pill most of my life, but in the last few (roughly 9) years started to have small red pill experiences. My journey into MGTOW wasn’t your typical. I didn’t crash and burn, but had my own struggles. I dated a girl with more problems to count that did constant shaming when things didn’t go her way (this was 6 years ago). I didn’t realize all of it at the time but as I have read here…. it became a…Wow was I that stupid back then.

For me personally, it wasn’t one big thing that brought me here, but many small things. Reading though and understanding the red pill, it was things that I thought were isolated incidents and didn’t have the necessary info to put it all together without the experiences of others.

I can only describe my life as growing up as a professional ghost. People only see what you want them to see, as such I present nothing that warrants a second glance. And it gets me left alone for the most part.

Things I noticed that brought me here though, are the obvious double standards between men and women, the fact that having a dissenting opinion is grounds for shaming, and that women aren’t worth the time. I got tired of the BS, and said f~~~ it.

The best example I can give is being the only semi conservative in my family and going more so as I age. Can’t even attempt to describe the s~~~storm that got stirred up when my oldest sister a femnazi found out I voted republican in the most recent election. I attempted to voice a well thought out argument for my choice, and was shut down with the typical “but hes a misogynist” and “oh, using your white male privilege”. WTH does that even mean… my privilege.. of being forced to sign up for a draft…. of being borderline unemployable in a field dominated by white men because everyone needs to hire a minority.. but I digress.

Glad I have found a place to vent a voice opinions.

And cause I have read enough here to know The Manipulated man is going to ask.

Where are you on the MGTOW Road?
Well on my journey, but still learning.

Any Red Pills?
That no matter what you do as a Man… a Woman can half ass it and get twice the credit.

What does YOUR life look like?
Working in the field I was trained for, and taking life a day at a time.

What part of the USA are you living at now?
Northeast.

What kind of work are you doing?
Technical work, best described as infrastructure/bridges.

What kind of fun things do YOU do?
I am a gamer in my free time. I like to read but only when I feel like it, as I read deeper things. Examples: Dante’s Inferno, Julius Caesar’s War Commentaries, and about to start into Cicero’s Politics followed by Machiavelli. Trying to get the classical education that is lacking in the current educational system.

Any future projects or plans for YOUR life?
My plan is to get my s~~~ sorted out. Save for retirement, pay off a car, buy some American Muscle (preferably a Camaro), then keep on keeping on.

As for anything else, ask.

Hope that someday I may lead others the path I have learned. As Virgil led Dante through Hell.

[Anonymous]

cj023 wrote:

Won’t be long now till big brother government flags every last mgtow as a possible threat.

Already done, at the same time they invite the REAL THREAT.

Pick it apart brothers, these are bookworms that are doing this, they have no instinct, they’re not in touch with their core being, their natural self, they’re molded by decades of diseased education. They’re MORONS!

Look at the strategy (just a microcosm) look at the they drove a knife between MRA and MGTOW, it’s classic out of the box strategy from a “book” (book: a two dimensional object with type inside, not in real time, not in real life, extracts from yesterday).

The knife pushing MGTOW onto the terrorist list pulls MRA closer to them and us onto the public enemy list (the bad guys).

MRA gains nothing, they loose standing, and languish in a backslide with the tyrannical forces to be. They end up in bed with this creature, while the only ones that have any empathy for them are criminalized as radicals and extremists.

I just hope three’s enough men not mentally poisoned to fall for this trap they sprung, this diabolical plan to divide and conquer, kill and destroy.

I’m sure the Matt Phonies will get suck up their asses from the power vacuum they create (if successful) (I F~~~ING DOUBT IT!!!!!!) with the MGTOW feeling more oppression and alienation than ever before in our oppressed and alienated lives.

Gentlemen, relax, sit back and enjoy the fireworks!

We have the hand of province upon us, we are invincible.

First they mock, ridicule, degrade and shame you.

Then they villainize, slander, and frame you.

Then they attack you, you’re martyred before all men.

Then you win!

They can shove ^^^^that textbook up their asses!

Feminism’s imploding gentlemen, it stood strong and unshakable until finally MGTOW came along.

Bye bye Feminism and gynocentrism, it’s time for you to die.

Buford wrote:

The lack of understanding of MGTOW out there is incredible. They just don’t get it.

It’s worse than that, it’s disinformation, however, these days it doesn’t work anymore, these days people are like a dog that has learned to keep his eye on the ball.

GAME OVER.

[RhinoParticipant]

Perhaps some people misunderstood or did not bother to read what I wrote at the top of the thread. The reason I wrote about the echo chamber was because in the past I have noticed people on this and other web sites using this term to discredit what we talk about. This is not a new shaming tactic it has been going on for years now. It is a coping mechanism for men to give them a excuse to attack and leave behind the MGTOW mindset by refusing the red pill and taking the blue pill instead like Cypher did in the Matrix movie. What these people do not get is they never understood MGTOW to begin with. We are not a movement or a group but instead a family trying to help each other.

The thread is titled MGTOW is NOT Inside A Echo Chamber. I decided to talk about this topic because it shows up all over the place and it is a false narrative that is continually spewed ad nauseum in comment sections and other web sites. When I did a search on our forums regarding this topic nothing came up. People searching for answers about MGTOW may have typed this phrase into their search engine and only garbage came up.

Now when you type MGTOW echo chamber this is the first topic that comes up to the top and it better helps people see the other side of the coin. In my original post I wanted to keep it short but I will now add more to it to give you a understanding of the garbage that was showing up before.

link: These comments are found in the comments section.

4.More than anything else, it’s a toxic echo chamber of active misogyny that thrives on a circle jerk of righteous anger.

Without getting off on too much of a tangent, many of the other criticisms that you see regarding MGTOW here are fair. I never got too involved in the MGTOW community. I always considered myself a distant observer. There is too much misogyny in the forums, blogs, and on YouTube. There’s a lot of “butthurt” going around in those echo chambers. I feel sympathy for those men, but I’m not going to be part of the “He Man Woman Haters Club”, which is essentially the MGTOW communities biggest problem in its current stage.

link: Again found in the comments section.

Nope egalitarian I don’t tolerate s~~~ spewed from feminazis nor do I tolerate s~~~ spewed from assholes in echo chambers. Although feel free to pretend that I’m a feminist if it’ll help you come with some quick nonsensical insults

Former MGTOW member who wrote this bulls~~~ on March 30, 2017. Feel free to go to the link and decide for yourself. Here is a little gem he posted for your viewing pleasure.

When a topic isn’t part of the MGTOW ideology it gets sent to a “safe space” known as ‘The Litter Box’ thread where the original poster isn’t allowed to reply or comment on their own post and is ironically shamed and criticized by other men and not be allowed to have an open discussion and a fair debate on equal ground. I even have the original post here.
Being the true intellectual that I am. I planned ahead and declared in advance that I would leave the MGTOW echo-chamber and not even bother coming back to this circle-jerking-fest of pseudo-intellectual men with large egos that want to hijack MGTOW and trying to convert it into a male-supremacist ideology.

If that fool came to that conclusion he never really was a MGTOW to begin with. Moving along I will finally post a video about this topic you can skip to the 22:00 minute mark to save yourselves some time.

I hope I cleared up some things if not let me know feedback is always appreciated.

This is a complete reproduction of the post found on http://thesaker.is/the-mosul-massacres-the-banality-of-evil-revisited/

The subject matter is too important not to be transcribed here. Do not read if you do not have a strong constitution. The truth must be told even if it offends some people’s views of the world. This is also NOT an April Fool’s joke.

You can correspond with the author at the site above.

Thank you for reading and watching.

Yumbo

The Mosul Massacres: The Banality of Evil revisited.

By Anwar Khan

What is the moral difference–if any– between the intentional shooting at fleeing civilians and using them as human shields on the one hand, and the flattening of entire neighborhoods, killing hundreds of innocent civilians, on the pretext of the presence of enemy fighters there-in, on the other? The answer is that there is no moral difference. Both are high crimes under any book, and it is being perpetrated on the people of Mosul as we speak. The first is done by ISIS– the Frankenstein that crept out of the Empire’s Research and Development labs, with the sole aim of destroying Muslim societies, disparaging the name of Islam, and advancing the march towards Full Spectrum Dominance— and the second is perpetrated by the Empire’s military might in broad day light, on the pretext of annihilating the very monster that it created. In between a most vicious massacre of innocent people is being perpetrated, with an almost complete media blackout.

(Side Note: Not that the knowledge of such crimes would bother much the moral nerves of the western world, who have come to accept scenes of dead Muslims as a phenomenon as normal as cloud formation. Between slavish work to pay for what they call life, celebrity worship, and the collective immolation of the soul that takes place in the dark temples we call cinemas— mirroring very much the darkness that encompasses the modern conscience—one wonders if idle time could be spared to show moral revulsion to such crimes. Yes, candles are lit and tears shed to the unfortunate victims at home, but the Muslim lands are simply too far, too unknown, and too “other” to cause any discomfort of the conscience)

While the Syrian and Russian offensive to retake Aleppo from the terrorists saw much crocodile tears from the Empire’s media, the Mosul offensive or Inherent Resolve—where Coalition air strikes have turned the city into a heap of rubble hiding a virtual urban graveyard inside its belly— is not even mentioned in passing. The amount of suffering that the people of Mosul have faced since the operation began is difficult to compare to anything in our times, including the Syrian war theatre which is as cruel as modern warfare can be. The scenes from Mosul Jadida(New Mosul) area are reminiscent of Dresden during the Second World War.

The Guardian reported Chris Woods, the director of monitoring group Airwars, to have said: “The Jadida incident alone is the worst toll of a single [airstrike] incident that I can recall in decades. The coalition’s argument that it doesn’t target noncombatants risks being devalued when so many civilians are being killed in west Mosul.” He is referring to a coalition airstrike that killed over 200 civilians mostly children, women and elderly seeking shelter in a building. The mounting human suffering and infrastructural destruction is of such a scale that the Iraqi Army, conducting the ground offensive, had to call off its advance fearing that the operation has slid into a catastrophe, thanks to the coalition’s Make America Great Again strategy.

(Side Note: You wonder where is Hollywood and George Clooney and their crocodile tears which they shed incessantly for the people of Sudan– who we were told were going through a “genocide”– eventually leading to imperial intervention and creation of South Sudan. How courageous of these celebrities to root for imperial causes and then hide in their holes when true courage is needed?)

Those who still harbor any doubts about the Empire being beyond redemption and salvation need to see its conduct in Mosul to realize how utterly indifferent it is to human suffering, or even to public opinion, which was of some concern, purely for PR reasons, not too long ago. But when the imperial hubris has reached such proportions that it cannot be even bothered to explain why shelters housing children and women are blown into oblivion for the sake of one ISIS fighter, you surely have entered what I call the Curse Stage, a particular stage in the stagnation of empires when there is not even a veneer of moral pretense behind its conduct. It is the homestretch of the unraveling. It cannot possibly be reversed.

“Once the Heavens cast the dice of fate, it shall not be reversed, even when a million supplication intersect its path”. Hafiz Shirazi

What is also there to be witnessed is that the same western world that always held Russia to be morally inferior to the ideals of the Enlightenment, part of “the primitive and cruel East”, have fared infinitely more inhumane and cruel in its conduct of warfare under very similar circumstances. The Russian method displayed in the Aleppo offensive was one that regarded avoidance of civilian suffering as the driving factor in its formation. Humanitarian corridors were formed with aid and shelter also being provided in some areas. It took months of meticulous planning and coordination with local partners, and even with the rebels to guarantee their and their families’ safe passage. It was a diplomatic and humanitarian master class of an act. Carpet-bombing of Aleppo would have been a rather easier choice. But the “primitive and cruel” Easterner had a soul after all.

The Coalition on the other hand, forbade the creation of any human corridors which would have allowed many inhabitants to leave the city. This was proposed by the Iraqi government but refused by the Coalition. Their rationale to the Iraqi government was that “they feared ISIS will trickle out of the city with the civilians”. They were told to have faith in the Coalition’s “precision strikes”. To the media they would say “well its ISIS that is not allowing civilians to leave, not us”, which actually is not entirely true. The fact is that they wanted to send a clear message to the world with the new administration’s military strategy in the Muslim lands, featuring Trump as Krishna: Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.

This article can go in many directions. I can begin with how Mosul fell in ISIS hands to begin with; the conduct of ISIS terrorists of systematic terror to “reform” its citizens; the role of Turkish, Gulf states and the Kurdish intelligence agencies with ISIS during its four year occupation (yes, even the “anti-ISIS” Kurdish leaders like Jalal Talabani and Masoud Barzani had intimate relationship with ISIS and often allowed them safe passages to conduct its operations. The ultimate Kurdish goal was to annex Mosul to Barzani and Talabani’s fiefdoms when the conditions were ripe). But today I have one concern only and that is the plight of the innocent civilians and the dead children under the rubble.

I am embedding a video here (with my edits and translation) that my Iraqi friends (whose families are still trapped in Mosul) sent me to watch, and help spread the word on the unspoken suffering that the people of Mosul have to persevere. I promised them to do my part, knowing well the fate of such writings when it meets the dead conscience of the modern media consumer. God forbid that the comrades here on this site have such a disposition. But the fact remains that in our times, no matter how deeply shocking an event comes to our knowledge, it does not stay long enough deep inside our conscience to bother the usual trajectory of our lives (this happens even to the most soft-hearted amongst us) But it has to be said nonetheless, whether it finds the desired place or not. That’s the least we owe to the dead children under the rubble–their little bodies still warm from the not too long ago association with life.

The Prophet of Islam is reported to have said “whosoever see an evil, let him stop it with his hand; if he is not able, then with his tongue, and if he is not able to do so, then with his heart— and that is the least of faith.” (The masculine pronoun is inclusive of the feminine, lest the more gender-sensitive raise an issue with that). I am doing the least of what the faith and humanity requires.

The video shows a government official inspecting the part of Mosul most affected by the coalition airstrikes, and gathering first-hand information on the nature of the offensive and plight of the people. Please do watch the entirety of it. I will leave you with one quote from her that sums up the Mosul offensive:

“After meeting many people and hearing the reports from all sides, it has become abundantly clear to me, and I can swear to God on this, that there are no more than 6 or 5 ISIS fighters in the entire New Mosul area and they walk around freely in open streets and amazingly they are not targeted. Yet what is targeted are entire neighborhoods and houses containing shelter seeking civilians. And all this on the pretext of targeting these ISIS fighters. It is very clear that the idea is to just destroy Mosul and nothing else”. Basma Basem, President of Mosul Judiciary Council.

{From God we come and to Him shall we return}–Common Muslim statement on hearing the news of death.

Post Script: Since this article, which was first written on March 20th, there finally has been some media coverage. RT has been especially active and credit should go to them. But the scale of suffering is still far from being portrayed accurately.

Also, the subtitles could have been more viewer friendly, alas, that’s the extent of my video editing skills.