Where Are You and Your Dollars/ Career ??

[rebelandboltmanParticipant 640]

I work full time. I have two motorcycles. One is paid in full. The other will be paid off by the time before I turn 40.

No plans for a wife or kids.

I work to live and keep it simple.

[DaveVParticipant 450]

rorick wrote:

Reading from above replies, it seems like i must be the irresponsible or carefree MGTOW on this entire planet

Nope, you are living your own life, by your own rules, and not harming anyone or taking off anyone. Nothing wrong with that.

rorick wrote:

I was pretty much content with the money i was earning, even though it was very very small compared to my friends who works under multi-national organizations.

If you are happy with what you have, you have a better awareness that alot of people. More money does not always equate to happiness.

rorick wrote:

I always had this thing in my mind like why should i earn more than what i need

True, just save abit, if you can, for a rainy day. I worked long hours to pay off my ex’s debts, but now I just do jobs, because I want to, not because I need to.

rorick wrote:

My friends who are married and earning triple the money still finds it difficult to survive.

Women spend according to how much money is coming in. If you try to curtail that, they accuse you of being a miser. I have a friend who now has 4 kids, 3 cars and two houses and is in massive debt, and looks like he’s going to lose his job, and thinking about a 5th kid (or his wife is). He’s on the verge of bankruptcy

rorick wrote:

And BTW this is how I am and who knows i might be a great failure in the future, therefore I would never urge any younger MGTOW’s to follow this

Depends on how you measure failure. Going MGTOW and living your life your way is a success imo. You haven’t been a sheep and followed social convention and slave to debt.

D. G. I. Don't. Get. Involved. (Be happy, and stress not)

[Point Of No ReturnParticipant 4074]

The divorce process ruined me. Legal fees, cost of moving out of my own place for the glorious pussy pass to be utterly effective, tax returns that just don’t work like they used to before the separation, all kinds of extra miscellaneous expenses, support payments, and the list goes on. After separation there are two rents to pay, two of a lot of things to pay. Ex is a useless twit when it comes to money; doesn’t have a clue. Support payments sucked me dry. Just like in the damned meme, I’m now living in this tiny bedsit. I never want to shack up again, ever. Even if they start off as reasonable, they inevitably become greedy as the wall does its work on them. They look around and want what their better-off hive members have. I get calls left and right. I’m trying to hold on and make minimum payments to avoid having to officially go bust. Negotiating payment plans… I can see that for a lot of you having a property has worked to your advantage, but in my case I can truly say it was the worst damned thing I ever did. Never buy a property and involve a woman into the bargain, never, it just doesn’t work out in the end. The bank will probably wind up taking the equity from right underneath me before I ever even see a nickle. So my focus now is to embrace minimalism and work as little as possible. It’s a rough ride for now. But, I can truly say, I’m much better off here in my shoebox and away from daily nagging. That’s worth a lot!

Know when it is your duty to give them zero explanations for your actions.

[Sky-OParticipant 18936]

My condo and Jeep Wrangler are paid off.

I’ve got enough money tucked away if I don’t want to work for 5-6 years.

Self employed, work 24 hours a week. Hang out with my dog and skydive the rest of the time.

And only need 30% of my current income. The rest goes into the bank every month.

Bob Marley should have changed the lyrics of his song to ‘No Woman, No Debt’

[Prefer Peace to PieceParticipant 10809]

I used to blow a lot of money on women in my blue pill days. Since becoming MGTOW, I spend very little and I’m happy.

I’ve had enough money to retire for a while. I’ve continued to work because I like helping people. But the man-hating ladies in administration are really difficult and I’ve had enough.

I just bought a one bedroom condo on the ocean and will become a beach bum at the end of the year. Maybe will do some volunteer work.

[~BSParticipant 3266]

never married, never had kids, although there were some close calls over the years.

i’m somewhat workaholic in nature, so I make a lower 6 figured income. Not a big spender, probably only 30k/year or so. So I do save a ton of money, probably ideal beta bux material. lol

my goal is to be able to retire by the time I’m 40, which is in 5 years. Not saying I’m going to, but nice knowing I can simply walk away if I choose to. 40 – 60 is probably the best earning potential years of your life, so idk if that’s something I really want to chance giving up.

"He didn't marry until now, so he won't ever do it. Think about it, why would a man like him ever marry? It's too late to catch him. " ~some cunt

[rorickParticipant 682]

DaveV wrote:

Women spend according to how much money is coming in. If you try to curtail that, they accuse you of being a miser.

^^ Exactly.. I have seen many so called good non-materialistic girls who’d always boast about how they can run the family even with a minimal wage and don’t want their future husbands to be a millionaire are now living a life of parasitic suckers like give.. give.. give,. more.. more.. more.. !!

One thing is for sure even if you get married to a girl from an African tribe, the moment she steps into your house and look at the comfort you got, she would instantly turn into a money eating dragon.

[SolidusXParticipant 854]

I grew up as a basic middle class white kid with parents that knew nothing about investing or making good money. I am mostly self taught and started learning how to invest in my mid early 20’s in the stock market. I did eventually hit up a school to eventually get into project management and entered the corporate rat race.

I lasted 10 years before I said f~~~ it, quit a well paying job, sold pretty much everything I had, and drastically downsized my life to start day trading. I did that for a year and made some good coin but it is not a long term career and once again sold everything I had and moved to another city to go to school in the trades. I have been socking away any money I can as I do want to retire early and just enjoy life. I find the rat race and having to get up early in the morning to some drone job non appealing to me.

I am struggling now though as I am in my 30’s and feel like I am starting life over again, yes I could have stayed a corporate stooge but being stuck in a windowless room for 8-12 hours a day is not life. I hope this course goes well and I can find some meaningful work and get back to life.

Knowledge is power..... Don't waste your brain on bullshit

[~BSParticipant 3266]

rorick wrote:

have seen many so called good non-materialistic girls who’d always boast about how they can run the family even with a minimal wage and don’t want their future husbands to be a millionaire are now living a life of parasitic suckers like give.. give.. give,. more.. more.. more.. !!

One thing is for sure even if you get married to a girl from an African tribe, the moment she steps into your house and look at the comfort you got, she would instantly turn into a money eating dragon.

That’s where you get f~~~ed. Men are guilty of it too, but women as a whole are far worse since they’re like sheep, and easily swayed by the media and their peers. they just love to spend for the sake of spending.

If you make 500k/year, but spend 500k (or worse 550k because you go into debt), you’re worse off financially than a guy making 50k/year spending only 10k

"He didn't marry until now, so he won't ever do it. Think about it, why would a man like him ever marry? It's too late to catch him. " ~some cunt

[~BSParticipant 3266]

SolidusX wrote:

I grew up as a basic middle class white kid with parents that knew nothing about investing or making good money. I am mostly self taught and started learning how to invest in my mid early 20’s in the stock market. I did eventually hit up a school to eventually get into project management and entered the corporate rat race.

I lasted 10 years before I said f~~~ it, quit a well paying job, sold pretty much everything I had, and drastically downsized my life to start day trading. I did that for a year and made some good coin but it is not a long term career and once again sold everything I had and moved to another city to go to school in the trades. I have been socking away any money I can as I do want to retire early and just enjoy life. I find the rat race and having to get up early in the morning to some drone job non appealing to me.

I am struggling now though as I am in my 30’s and feel like I am starting life over again, yes I could have stayed a corporate stooge but being stuck in a windowless room for 8-12 hours a day is not life. I hope this course goes well and I can find some meaningful work and get back to life.

That’s the problem with stopping work, then trying to start back up again. It’s really tough.

Of course when women leave and go back to work cause they got pregnant or want to be a stay at home wife, they cry when they can’t get the same job or better as men that worked the entire time, and call it a “wage gap”.

"He didn't marry until now, so he won't ever do it. Think about it, why would a man like him ever marry? It's too late to catch him. " ~some cunt

[DaveVParticipant 450]

Point Of No Return wrote:

The divorce process ruined me

Sorry to hear about the rough divorce dude, like so many here, it ruins everyone, whether financially and or psychologically. But remember, as in the matrix, you took the red pill, not blue pill i.e. Knowledge, freedom and the sometimes painful truth of reality (red pill) as opposed to Falsehood and the blissful ignorance of illusion (blue pill)

Point Of No Return wrote:

tax returns that just don’t work like they used to before the separation,

Not sure what it’s like in US, but in the UK, alimony payments are not tax deductible i.e. I pay tax on it ! WTF !!

Point Of No Return wrote:

I can see that for a lot of you having a property has worked to your advantage, but in my case I can truly say it was the worst damned thing I ever did

When you rent or buy in the UK, if there are kids involved, the courts will kick you out of your residence, and expect you to carry on paying the rent or mortgage. Men are screwed either way. There was one case with my colleague who got out of it, will describe that elsewhere.

Point Of No Return wrote:

Never buy a property and involve a woman into the bargain, never, it just doesn’t work out in the end.

Absolutely dude, sound advice !!!

Point Of No Return wrote:

So my focus now is to embrace minimalism and work as little as possible. It’s a rough ride for now

Good luck. All I can say, there is light at the end of tunnel.

No matter how far out on the sea of suffering we’ve sailed,
all that is required is to turn toward awakening (MGTOW).
It’s never too late, but it takes that turning, and no one can do that for us.

D. G. I. Don't. Get. Involved. (Be happy, and stress not)

[DaveVParticipant 450]

Prefer Peace to Piece wrote:

I just bought a one bedroom condo on the ocean and will become a beach bum at the end of the year. Maybe will do some volunteer work.

Good for you. I envy that, wish there was a decent place in the UK where I could get a condo on the beach.

It goes without saying, don’t let a woman live there !

D. G. I. Don't. Get. Involved. (Be happy, and stress not)

[Anonymous 1]

26, working an easy work-at-home programming job for £30k. I’m managing to save £1000-1200 a month. I could have been doing that for a few years already but I blew most of it (on some worthwhile things like a trip to kilimanjaro and a friend’s wedding in florida etc.). I’ve been saving for 3 months now and I’m going to continue to do so until I either know more about investing or I have some kind of business to start up

I feel like I’m staying in my comfort zone with this job, and that I have the potential to do much more… but I probably do about 10 hours of actual work a week and I dont have to pay for a car or train. I can have home-made lunch and breakfast. I can wear whatever I want.

Should I move on or enjoy this as long as I can? :S

[RealityBitesParticipant 2198]

I’m in my mid 50’s. I’ve ALWAYS hustled and pounded the pavement for work. I’ve frequently had 2 jobs and sometimes 3. Frequently these jobs paid next to nothing, but I still WORKED…and sometimes it also meant selling stuff on the side.

Didn’t date a whole lot before I got married…and I got married pretty late in life. After my marriage went t~~~ up…I dated a LOT of women. And the longer I hung out with women…the less I liked them, at the same time the more I understood why past events in my life went a certain way…

Basically I very slowly woke up.

After I got married, quickly I found all of these restrictions placed on my life. What hobbies I had, what I spent and how much I spent my money on things…even with money that was allocated for my own private discretion during my marriage there were controls.
There were restrictions on what sort of food I wanted to eat…who my friends were, seeing my family…

Finally….after giving the wife too much generosity…I said screw it after I became convinced she was positioning herself for initiating a divorce and getting lifetime Alimony and that she was out to financially destroy me.

After my divorce…I dated a lot of women. I pursued hobbies, I started a Business, I saved and invested far more money than I ever did when I was married or before I was married. Bought Motorcyle, and a few toys, planted a lot of fruit trees in the backyard to turn it into a mini-orchard.

In the end…getting a Divorce was one of the better things I did in life. Also investing, saving, and starting a business was also one of the better things I did.
Another good thing was just happening along by pure chance running across some MGTOW articles that cleared up a lot of mysteries for me…

Been going strong ever since….gave up on dating. It wasn’t worth my money or my time….they were all out for the same thing.

Right now…I am very focused on positioning myself for retirement…focused on my health and happiness…I realized and came to grips that I spent most of my life chasing after a Mirage: a Lie.

Women are simply incapable of loving men the way men love women…women treat men as Utility/Money Objects and do not consider Men as fully human, but rather as lesser creatures: like an Amish Farmer views a good plow horse.

Women do not respect men, do not welcome their advice or thoughts, and really don’t care about a man’s health and well-being. They ONLY care about what, how much, and how long…they can benefit from a man before moving onto a better deal (man).

Awakened wrote:

ing myself for the biggest reset

Awakened wrote:

It’s my belief that a rather large reason that our economy is still progressing so slowly has to do with so many men NOT fully participating in the economy as much as their tradcon forefathers.

This is NOT limited to MGTOW badge wearing members, but INCLUDES Men from all walks of life.

There are MGTOW men that value their Time over Money, and work just enough to afford to live and Enjoy their hobbies. Other MGTOW men will be killing it at the job to make extra cash, but not to spend. Instead they’re saving/investing for an early retirement. This takes all those “spending” dollars out of the economy.

Then there are “other” men that just see their wives “waste” all of their hard earned cash, and basically say f~~~ it to: overtime, further education, promotions, starting small businesses ETC.

There are Men who can see divorce in the future, and don’t want to work harder and shorten their life span just to GIVE the EX a larger alimony check.

Let’s add to the mix the younger Men that may not identify as MGTOW either, but are also opting out of the tradcon lifestyle, and more and more are not even perusing 4 year degrees anymore never mind marriage and procreation.

I’m assuming the Herbivore Men of japan have had quite an influence over the Japanese economy as well as the projected birth rate.

WHERE ARE you men on all of this: spending less, or investing more, or working less, or NOT perusing job advancements due to potential divorce/alimony issues ETC. ETC. ????

HOW Has MGTOW and/ or marriage/divorce affected your spending/saving ??

OR, Maybe, you’re doing what you have always done……What’s that ??

[DaveVParticipant 450]

Anonymous wrote:

I feel like I’m staying in my comfort zone with this job, and that I have the potential to do much more… but I probably do about 10 hours of actual work a week and I dont have to pay for a car or train. I can have home-made lunch and breakfast. I can wear whatever I want.

Should I move on or enjoy this as long as I can? :S

MGTOW means you have the freedom to decide. I don’t think anyone can answer that but you. I can only give my view/opinion, from my experiences. Personally, if you can get a job that makes you alot more money, I would take it, if only from the viewpoint that a nice nest egg gives you future options. Money isn’t everything, but you are still young, so sometimes it’s worth trying something else, if for no other reason that getting a different experience – provided you can return to this job at a future point.

I was fortunate to travel alot with my company, and since I went freelance, I traveled even more. I saw places, people and sights which I never would if I was still married. I took tough assignments which paid well because my ex-wife had racked up debts and I took on debts to keep her happy (car, house etc). I did not want to live in debt. Now I pick where I want to go, and when (well when there is work). It’s not about the money for me, but the place, people and experience. Provided I don’t make a loss, I will take it, if I like it.

I think you have to decide what makes you happy, and what’s important to you. All I can say is a couple of years making as much as you can when young, will set you up for life potentially, and gives you options. But it all depends on how you want to live in the future, and what you want. This is the MGTOW way imo !

D. G. I. Don't. Get. Involved. (Be happy, and stress not)

[Puffin StuffParticipant 24979]

As I said in my initial post I am retired and live on less but let me tell you, without a woman to demand home remodeling, constant visits to the fashionista convention and expensive chick eating out, money is easy to come by.

When I say I live OK I mean I have a lovely cottage on a lake in NY just north of NYC with a 36ft sailboat, best computers, custom musical instruments.

As long as I don’t let a woman in, things can only get better.

My plans for the summer? See pic.

Yes, this is a pic of my boat.

#icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.

[rorickParticipant 682]

Anonymous wrote:

26, working an easy work-at-home programming job for £30k. I’m managing to save £1000-1200 a month. I could have been doing that for a few years already but I blew most of it (on some worthwhile things like a trip to kilimanjaro and a friend’s wedding in florida etc.). I’ve been saving for 3 months now and I’m going to continue to do so until I either know more about investing or I have some kind of business to start up

I feel like I’m staying in my comfort zone with this job, and that I have the potential to do much more… but I probably do about 10 hours of actual work a week and I dont have to pay for a car or train. I can have home-made lunch and breakfast. I can wear whatever I want.

Should I move on or enjoy this as long as I can? :S

Working only 10 hours a week and that too on your own terms.. Man I can bet that all your married friends are jealous of you, cause you are living a life that many are dreaming of living but couldn’t due to commitments, pressure from family and wife, kids.

As a freelancer and single guy myself i can say that a man’s need is very small,. we are pretty much content with the little things we have in our lives and its easy to satisfy, however the moment he gets a woman involved in his life the needs simply shoots-up, thereafter how much ever you earn would be not enough.

My advice would be to stay there you are doing good, save little or try to invest in real-estate or gold and don’t ever involve women in any of this.

[BeerParticipant 11832]

I work a s~~~ load of hours and make a ton of money. My tax bill this year will be bigger than all my other expenses combined. Probably about 3/4 of my after tax income this year will find its way to the stock market. I live a simple, frugal lifestyle and plan on retiring early and living abroad where my money will have much more buying power.

Ideally I’ll be done working before I’m 40, and the biggest obstacle to that goal is a woman f~~~ing it up, but I don’t plan on letting that happen.

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