She's forcing marriage and making back-up plans

[hollowtipsParticipant 681]

I mean it’s pretty clear. She wants to get married but you don’t this was doomed to fail from the start. I doubt she’ll ever give up on the idea of marriage and will build a side relationship until it’s stronger than her current one and leave you.

If you really don’t want to get married and she can’t accept that then you need to end things. It’s painful but the truth tends to be painful.

I never would allow a woman to move in if she had her own place at the same time that was a big mistake, she could have been getting side dick this whole time from some other guy.

If she goes to paris she’ll throw herself to every man between 18-50 years old I would end the relationship no matter what before she goes. You’re going to get hurt if you stay in this any longer.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

surfdude12 wrote:

I was SERIOUSLY tempted to say “maybe” since she was offering to do a LOT of things I have been wanting,

She wouldn’t have actually done any of it. She was just looking for a delay of game to trap you into baby jail or worse.

if I don’t marry her, she’ll KEEP looking for a dude who will marry her and thus will eventually dump me

Or she’ll get pregnant by him and stick you with 18 plus years of support payments for a child that isn’t yours.

although she is a really sweet girl,

You don’t know that.

The overwhelming probability is she was only a “really sweet girl” because she hadn’t locked you down yet and was unsure of her prospects with you.

You only get to know who she really is AFTER you f~~~ up and marry her or get her pregnant or otherwise guarantee her your assets. By then it’s too late for you. And who she really really is only comes out in the divorce.

No marriage. No cohabitation. No procreation.

The three simple things not only keep men free, but keep women corrected.

[Ronin11Participant 208]

going ring shopping , etc. She is a sweet girl (loves to cook, is not materialistic at all, loves simple stuff, etc),

Incongruent a girl who is NOT materialistic does not need to go ring shopping.

but she has big issue – bulimia.

This is a huge problem. There is nothing you can do. She must want to change. If she doesn’t her future is cancer, and early death. in the mean time you get to support her through years of therapy, relapses, and etc. Along with all the emotional damage that goes along with it.

Should I let her stay until she decides what she wants to do? SHould I kick her out?

Not sure what you see in this emotional money pit.

Is that a subconscious thing with women or do they withdraw the “good” stuff intentionally?

not subconscious at all. It’s called molding herself to you, to get you hooked. As time goes on she shows her true behavior, which is less about meeting any needs you have.

I just think “no no she’s amazing – you won’t find another like her!!!”

Remember AWALT. You mean you won’t find a masterful manipulator? A woman who issues ultimatums to get her way?

This isn’t harsh. It’s NECESSARY.

There is no middle ground when it comes to women. You either go all in or die.

Ok I’ll leave tomorrow”, which honestly made it MUCH HARDER (i.e. if she was bitchy about it and threw a tantrum, would have been much easier to tell her GTFO).

E.g. masterful manipulative behavior.

There are no good women only degrees of bad.

[surfdude12Participant 4103]

Hey guys I’m on day THREE since she left he house and starting to enter blue-pill hell.

I listened to MGTOW video (see below) where a guy was saying “marriage is suicidal for men IF HE IS NOT SURE OF THE WOMAN’S VIRTUE” and then he goes onto say that NAWALT if the woman is an “anarchist” who believes in the “non-aggression principle” and “then you won’t have to worry about her dragging the State into your affairs!”. Is this right?? She would fit this description = she voted Trump, she HATES welfare state, etc, so it has me all going crazy. I know I’m probably just in blue-pill hell but need some feedback here. Video link is below!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYdbxSRIWu8&t=1686s
(listen starting at 11:00 onwards….)
(AT 01:30:00 is where he discusses NAWALT = Anarchist: “Just find an anarchist and you won’t have to worry about her dragging the State into your affairs!”)

[NeroParticipant 1466]

surfdude12 wrote:

Is this right?? She would fit this description = she voted Trump, she HATES welfare state, etc, so it has me all going crazy.

No, this isn’t right. This is what some women will say until the shoe is on their foot, then they turn into the rest of the parasite women who have been WRONGED by men.

[Anonymous 12]

LOL.

How naive can you be?
Any anarchist will drag the state into her affairs if it benefits her.

I hereby prescribe you a few hours of Xhamster.com.
Once as you wake up, and once after you come home from work.
The first session is to carry you throughout the day and shield you from females at work.
the second one is to protect you from blue pill thoughts when you are alone and vulnerable alone at home.

Remember:
She has made backup Plans, and has enough resources to carry her own weight.
She never needed YOU for WHO YOU ARE

…she needed you for what you had to offer.

She aint giving no f~~~s about you.
Return the favor.
Start giving a f~~~ about yourself.

first step: hand, sock, and a clear Head.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

surfdude12 wrote:

then he goes onto say that NAWALT if the woman is an “anarchist” who believes in the “non-aggression principle” and “then you won’t have to worry about her dragging the State into your affairs!”. Is this right??

No. It’s wrong. Dangerously wrong.

She would fit this description = she voted Trump, she HATES welfare state, etc, so it has me all going crazy. I know I’m probably just in blue-pill hell but need some feedback here. Video link is below!

And all she has to do is change her mind once she’s managed to lock you down and there’s not a f~~~ing thing you could do about it. Because the law lets her.

Marriage, cohabitation, and procreation are huge f~~~ing mistakes for men. Because the law has made them that way. The women themselves are IRRELEVANT. The law allows her to f~~~ you over, and regardless of what she claims she believes now, she will eventually do it, just because she can.

Sure in an infinite universe there’s an infinitesimally small, it would be a miracle, chance she might not use the law to utterly f~~~ your life, but so what?

No woman is worth that risk.

[GnosticParticipant 2491]

surfdude12 wrote:

Hey guys I’m on day THREE since she left he house and starting to enter blue-pill hell.

I listened to MGTOW video (see below) where a guy was saying “marriage is suicidal for men IF HE IS NOT SURE OF THE WOMAN’S VIRTUE” and then he goes onto say that NAWALT if the woman is an “anarchist” who believes in the “non-aggression principle” and “then you won’t have to worry about her dragging the State into your affairs!”. Is this right?? She would fit this description = she voted Trump, she HATES welfare state, etc, so it has me all going crazy. I know I’m probably just in blue-pill hell but need some feedback here. Video link is below!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYdbxSRIWu8&t=1686s
(listen starting at 11:00 onwards….)
(AT 01:30:00 is where he discusses NAWALT = Anarchist: “Just find an anarchist and you won’t have to worry about her dragging the State into your affairs!”)

An anarchist won’t want you to sign the slave contract, because it can invoke the state into your affairs. Giving her all the power and benefits while you all the load and responsibility.

Wake up, the act of manipulating your to sign the slave contract is already an act of dragging the state into your affairs.

There is no magic in MGTOW, just recognition of the truth and logical decision how to avoid dangers. The red pill is but the truth, it is no magical potion. Do not think in this modern world men have no longer have natural enemies, men are prey to women and government.

[SamsquanchParticipant 4226]

I think you know the answer surfdude. Would you accept her back into your life after she’s had about 10 French c~~~s inside her?

[RealityBitesParticipant 2198]

OP – Tell her that you and her are both in a stage of life where you are both moving in different directions. Tell you that you are not going to get married and that you don’t want to waste her time since her fertility is declining and her window to have children is within the next 4-6 years.

Tell her that you wish her the best of luck but that she should move out and find someone else.

Do NOT get married. Stop having sex with her now: she may try to trap you by getting pregnant.
IF she does announce that she is pregnant: INSIST on a Paternity Test, and also INSIST that regardless how the test turns out that you will NEVER get married.

[surfdude12Participant 4103]

QUICK UPDATE:

I went blue bill and we got back together for a few weeks. Then she DEMANDED A RING. But not ANY ring, she said “1.74 Carat, like the one my patient had today”. I look it up = $15,000. Seriously? So I tell her “You know that’s $15,000?” She’s like “all my friends say a guy should pay 3 months salary!!”.

Then (when we were cohabitating) she agreed to chip in for groceries/utilities (I own the house): $500/ month. So she stopped paying and said “My DAD never made me pay for food, plus my friend Jessica doesn’t have to pay for food in her marriage”

Then she tells me “I love how you own your own home, but I think about us getting a house in [rich neighborhood] and think you’d probably be like ‘we can’t afford it”

She only works 28 hours a week, and said “You suggested I work another day of the week, but seriously I should have teh freedom to work OR NOT WORK” = FREELOADER!!! Plus to boot she wants (a) $15000 ring, (b) house in richer neighborhood and (c) Trips to Italy?? So for SECOND time, I’m dumping her ass. And this time FOR GOOD

Don’t ask me what got into me before…I just went total Blue Pill after day 7 after first break up…she called me and I picked up and before you know it we’re meeting up again. How do you guys FIGHT THE BLUE PILL URGE??

[Ronin11Participant 208]

She is a sweet girl (loves to cook, is not materialistic at all, loves simple stuff, etc), but she has big issue – bulimia

Sweet girls:
Don’t keep their apartment
Apply for a job without telling you
Don’t reserve a flight to Paris without you
Don’t have bulimia
You have a strange definition of what a sweet girl is.

There are no good women only degrees of bad.

[Anonymous 6]

surfdude12 wrote:

QUICK UPDATE:

I went blue bill and we got back together for a few weeks. Then she DEMANDED A RING. But not ANY ring, she said “1.74 Carat, like the one my patient had today”. I look it up = $15,000. Seriously? So I tell her “You know that’s $15,000?” She’s like “all my friends say a guy should pay 3 months salary!!”.

Then (when we were cohabitating) she agreed to chip in for groceries/utilities (I own the house): $500/ month. So she stopped paying and said “My DAD never made me pay for food, plus my friend Jessica doesn’t have to pay for food in her marriage”

Then she tells me “I love how you own your own home, but I think about us getting a house in [rich neighborhood] and think you’d probably be like ‘we can’t afford it”

She only works 28 hours a week, and said “You suggested I work another day of the week, but seriously I should have teh freedom to work OR NOT WORK” = FREELOADER!!! Plus to boot she wants (a) $15000 ring, (b) house in richer neighborhood and (c) Trips to Italy?? So for SECOND time, I’m dumping her ass. And this time FOR GOOD

Don’t ask me what got into me before…I just went total Blue Pill after day 7 after first break up…she called me and I picked up and before you know it we’re meeting up again. How do you guys FIGHT THE BLUE PILL URGE??

You’ve got all that you need to break clean. Seriously. Look, think about it for a moment. Here’s a hypothetical for you. Imagine you and I were good buddies. Everything’s cool. Then after several years of friendship I started demanding that you do all kinds of crap for me to keep me as your friend, even though you already treat me like a king already because I’m your good friend. You’d probably tell me to go screw myself, with good reason.

The only difference between the hypothetical that I just described and your situation in my view is this chick lets you see her naked. Her vagina and companionship aren’t so valuable that you need to compromise what you want to do.

Think about it my friend. Once you understand the principal that I’ve laid out, you’ll be able to combat what you’ve described. It may be tough but just say “no.” It’s the most valuable word that you’ll ever be able to anybody really, ESPECIALLY women!

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

surfdude12 wrote:

How do you guys FIGHT THE BLUE PILL URGE??

By not being gullible f~~~ing morons.

Seriously, the f~~~ are you thinking? Do you really need to learn your lesson the hard way?

You know this bitch is dangerous. You know she’s just the bait in a very big trap. You see all the signs from her ($15k for a ring? AWALT as s~~~). You know you’re going to get burned. But you keep sticking your dick in that fire.

If you think three months salary is a joke (which it is), consider 216 monthly payments, because that’s where you’re headed. It’s only a matter of time before she tells you: “Oops! I’m pregnant!” and then you’re utterly f~~~ed. Out of time and out of options.

Don’t be a chump. Dump that bitch. Dump her immediately. Dump her yesterday. Block her calls. Send all her e-mails to the trash unread. Be nothing more than a memory to her. Trust me, she’ll forget you soon enough. And that’s a good thing.

[OldBillParticipant]

surfdude12 wrote:

How do you guys FIGHT THE BLUE PILL URGE??

How do we do it? Not being a complete f~~~ing idiot helps a lot.

You told more than three months ago what to do. You were too pussy whipped to do it, now things are worse, and you’re back for more advice. Advice, I should add, that you’ll most likely ignore again.

You’ve been told what to do. You know what to do. Either do it or stop bothering us.

There’s a phrase I regularly use when we read about some woman bitching about how life is unfair or how things haven’t turned out the way they dreamed they should:

This is the world you wanted. You best get used to it.

The hell you’re going through now is entirely of your own making. You wanted it. You best get used to it.

Get back to us in a decade or so after she’s disemboweled you in divorce court. You may be ready to listen then.

Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.

[PuniShredderParticipant 2268]

Dude…man up. I’ve NEVER come close to dating a bitch this shallow. You’re going to be eaten alive by her SOON if you don’t break it off.

Be professional be polite but always have a plan to kill everyone you meet.

[Anonymous 12]

AW! Come on now!

Thank you for screwing up your life and serving as a bad example for the world to see.
Now bend over and pay up.

Words on a webpage will not help you. Other people´s knowledge will not.
You need real life experience to get past this pain.

Next!

So dissappointed.
But eh…
thank you nonetheless.

[TicParticipant 4329]

surfdude12 wrote:

QUICK UPDATE:

I went blue bill and we got back together for a few weeks. Then she DEMANDED A RING. But not ANY ring, she said “1.74 Carat, like the one my patient had today”. I look it up = $15,000. Seriously? So I tell her “You know that’s $15,000?” She’s like “all my friends say a guy should pay 3 months salary!!”.

Then (when we were cohabitating) she agreed to chip in for groceries/utilities (I own the house): $500/ month. So she stopped paying and said “My DAD never made me pay for food, plus my friend Jessica doesn’t have to pay for food in her marriage”

Then she tells me “I love how you own your own home, but I think about us getting a house in [rich neighborhood] and think you’d probably be like ‘we can’t afford it”

She only works 28 hours a week, and said “You suggested I work another day of the week, but seriously I should have teh freedom to work OR NOT WORK” = FREELOADER!!! Plus to boot she wants (a) $15000 ring, (b) house in richer neighborhood and (c) Trips to Italy?? So for SECOND time, I’m dumping her ass. And this time FOR GOOD

Don’t ask me what got into me before…I just went total Blue Pill after day 7 after first break up…she called me and I picked up and before you know it we’re meeting up again. How do you guys FIGHT THE BLUE PILL URGE??

God bless peace and freedom.

[TicParticipant 4329]

surfdude12 wrote:

How do you guys FIGHT THE BLUE PILL URGE??

are you f~~~ing kidding me?

WAKE THE F~~~ UP. She’s been f~~~ing someone else. GUARANTEED.

God bless peace and freedom.

[xlrsnbrgParticipant 1786]

sidecar wrote:

surfdude12 wrote:

QUESTION: Should I let her stay until she decides what she wants to do?

IMMEDIATELY SEE A LAWYER.

Document the f~~~ out of the separate residence she has been maintaining.

Then the first chance you get:

1. Change the locks on your home.
2. Pack up all her s~~~ from your home and put it in a storage unit somewhere.
3. Pay for one month’s rent on the storage unit in advance.
4. Mail a copy of the storage unit contract and key to her apartment certified return receipt.
5. Block her on your phone, facebook, whatever.
6. Instruct her to direct all further contact through your attorney.
7. Have a no-contact order drafted by your attorney ready. If there’s any chance she might try some false accusation bulls~~~, DROP IT ON HER IMMEDIATELY.

The best time for this was while she was in Paris. You do not want her to see it coming to make plans.

This isn’t harsh. It’s NECESSARY.

Do NOT delay.

Completely agree.

This woman is not your friend, she is a parasite. You need to cut her off.

See a lawyer. The law might not be on your side.

A man shouldn't make his life's objective to be on the side of the majority, but to avoid finding himself in the ranks of the insane. (Marcus Aurelius)

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