She's forcing marriage and making back-up plans

[surfdude12Participant 4103]

She calls and calls last night and leaves long voicemail: “I think I made big mistake by agreeing to move out. I want to work it out. I think I can change my views on money. I know I told you I want a certain ring, and that I expect things, but I think that was just me taking bad advice from my friends. Every relationship is unique, they dont understand our relationship and I should not have listened to them. I think if we talked to a therapist I could work through those ideas and we could agree on all this stuff. Please call me!”

Like most 30 year old girls today she is (a) broke and (b) expects to live like Kim Kardashian. When I told her things like “saving money is important” she’d roll her eyes. When I’d ask her to MERELY PITCH in for food/groceries she’d say “no man ever asked me to chip in!!”. I know she’ll NEVER change, so am NOT calling her back or TRYING TO “work through these ideas to agree” on them, because I know she would be LYING if she agreed with me on money. I honestly think its WHO SHE IS (i.e. that she shouldn’t have to work and men OWE her whatever she wants). I learned all that from you guys, thanks!!!

[narwhalParticipant]

This would be reply.

I think that makes sense. Except that I don’t have a problem with money, so don’t really need therapy. You should look into that on your own. Oh, and if your friends are giving you bad advice, you need new friends. You don’t want them screwing up your relationships in the future, right? And I can forgive, but need time to forget and to be sure that you actually have changed your ways. A year maybe? So you go ahead and get therapy, new friends, no dating of course, and get back to me in a year and we see what happens. Good plan? Ok great!

Till then,
surfdude12

She has no intention of changing. She won’t say her friends are wrong, just wrong for this moment. She wants the couples therapy so that someone else can tell you to give her money and convince you your wrong. She has no intention of changing. She doesn’t even apologize for her behavior.

She doesn’t deserve a chance, but it’s legit for you, and maybe make you feel like you did all you could, to give her a realistic opportunity to change if that really is her intention. If she actually cares about you, wants to change, then there is no reason not to do this. She won’t of course, she’ll go back to shaming you instead.

Ok. Then do it.

[GnosticParticipant 2491]

Don’t reply anything. Cut off all contact. Give her nothing to work on in case she see her tactics is not working and go vengeful. Like making a false accusation.

She has Bulimia, so she is not mental stable. Who knows what she will do when she have no motivation to be nice with you.

There is no magic in MGTOW, just recognition of the truth and logical decision how to avoid dangers. The red pill is but the truth, it is no magical potion. Do not think in this modern world men have no longer have natural enemies, men are prey to women and government.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

surfdude12 wrote:

She calls and calls last night and leaves long voicemail

She’s just hoping for a delay of game long enough to trap your wallet with a pregnancy. At the very least she wants to be the one dumping you, not the other way around. Women can’t handle rejection.

She wouldn’t be calling you if she already had her next branch lined up.

narwhal wrote:

If she actually cares about you, wants to change, then there is no reason not to do this.

Except as soon as she has his wallet locked down there’s nothing to stop her from changing right back. And by that time it’s too late for him.

The problem is the law. The women themselves are irrelevant. But they’re still ALL Like That.

Gnostic wrote:

Don’t reply anything. Cut off all contact. Give her nothing to work on in case she see her tactics is not working and go vengeful. Like making a false accusation.

^This.

It’s probably worth it to pay a small retainer to an attorney. Then the next time she contacts you, tell her to send all future correspondence through him.

[PuniShredderParticipant 2268]

She’s got Nothing…absolutely nothing to offer. Ghost her like a man Surferdude. Hit the waves!!

Be professional be polite but always have a plan to kill everyone you meet.

[RhinoParticipant 3477]

Why are you listening to her voicemails or reading her text messages? You were given good advice already and you STILL refuse to do it. BLOCK HER NUMBER! I hope you finally read that part and don’t miss it this time. If you are serious about moving on and having nothing to do with her anymore you have to be drastic about it.

She is metaphorically dead to you do you understand? No contact forever one chance per person per lifetime and you are breaking all the rules still. If you have to get a new phone do it change your number whatever it takes to stop the contact once and for all. When you do finally cut her off in this manner she will start stalking you and coming to your house to talk. This is only going to get worse for you she invested years of her time into you she is not going to give up easily.

You will need to be ready to file a restraining order on her once she starts coming over to your house at all hours of the day and starts damaging your s~~~. That is worse case scenario but with her eating disorder she probably has other mental problems that you are not trained to see that will manifest as this drags on. You have to understand from her view point she has no back up plan yet you own your house and all she sees is the $$$ slipping away from her grasp. She doesn’t love you but your resources and what you can do for her to secure you as her slave.

You said yourself her plan is not to pay for anything or not to work once she marries you she told you this and you still think she is now all of a sudden going to change? She is desperate now and you better believe this s~~~ is about to get real listen to us we know what we are talking about again this needs repeating block her number and everything on social media if you use it and that includes all her friends too. From this point on right after you read this you grab that phone and do what I suggest no more being polite with you as you need a kick in the ass sorry dude just do it already.

[Anonymous 12]

*popcorn munching*

But she said she loves me!

But her piece of ass!

But her please and bargains and excuses!

How about you watch the “driver” series movies, and how that modderfunkers life goes off the rails because of a piece of ass.
You have all the info you need, all i can propose now i you read this place and this thread instead of staring at your phone.

[TaoTheMgtowWandererParticipant 263]

surfdude12 wrote:

narwhal wrote:

surfdude12 wrote:

QUESTION: Should I let her stay until she decides what she wants to do? SHould I kick her out? I was thinking about telling her “listen, clearly you’re unsure what you want to do, why don’t you go back to your apartment, think about it, and then maybe by the time you’re going to France you can have decided what you want? marriage or me?” or should I just kick her out and say bye bye? HELP!

What do you want?

I don’t think that’s a decision she will make, because she doesn’t have to. The time you’re giving her to make the decision isn’t time she’s going to use to think about it, it’s time for to see if she can replace you with someone who will marry her. It’s called monkey branching. If she doesn’t find another guy, then she will probably settle for you. It’s not because of you though, it’s because she’d rather be with you while she searches for a husband than alone.

So the question really is, do you want to continue this with her, knowing that she will leave you eventually. Knowing that she may try and get pregnant or some other means to trap you. Knowing that she will try and make it look like it’s all your fault to gain sympathy. So on and so on.

It is not going to get better going forward. Not possible. You either let it die now and cut your loses or you get what little is left in the relationship till she’s ready to go. If I were in your shoes, I would end it, but it is your choice.

Omg THANK YOU FOR THIS!! The “its not because of you though” is what really hit home – even if she ended up staying with me, it would only be because she DIDNT FIND DUDE TO MARRY HER…YET, and she eventually will. I don’t want to be her facking back up plan. Its so painful to admit that I am, because of course (like most people) I have this fairy tale vision of our relationship in my head and there is NO WAY (in that fantasy), that our relationship could be a mere back-up plan, but its obvious that it is.

Also love the question: “do you want to be with her, knowing she WILL leave you eventually?”

Thanks for summarizing it perfectly. I was in blue-pill world thinking “oh no, if she decides to stay with me, then she’ll STAY WITH ME”…now I can see that’s total BS, thanks guys

Does she have her name on the house? Because if she doesnt, when she goes to france, change the locks, pu everything she owns in a storage locker, tape the key to a note on the front door explaining everything you have done as well as where the storage unit is, contact a lawyer let him know what is going on, find out anything else you need to do to cover your ass, then never let the bitch back in. NEVER.

One chance, per bitch per lifetime. Remember, show no mercy.

My peace of mind is worth more then your vagina...cunt.

[Anonymous 12]

And its not so much about “show no mercy” to HER.

It´s VERY MUCH about pulling YOUR NECK OUT OF THE NOOSE.

You kicked her out and took her crazy ass back – she thinks you are a weakling and pulls a “i want a 15K ring or else” stunt.
DAFUQ man, DAFUQ.

[NeroParticipant 1466]

Dude, you’re not even married to her. Just NO. Oh, and therapy?? Within the same breath she’s talking about changing her viewpoint on money, she’s demanding therapy ($$$$) to help change her mind about money. What in THE f~~~?!!

[surfdude12Participant 4103]

LOL I know. SHe is MOVED OUT. Its day 5 and I’m feeling great. ALthough this does feel a bit like when I quit smoking – every once in a while my brain starts to think about the “good times” = F~~~ THAT. You guys know what I mean? It feels a bit like drug withdrawal – you KNOW its for the best but at same time there are times when your brain starts thinking of good stuff (NOT the crazy s~~~!!!!!). Will NOT be getting back with her, but just wanted to vent. Thanks!!

[surfdude12Participant 4103]

QUICK UPDATE: She came by to drop off her key this weekend (She had moved her stuff out but still had the key). She BEGGED me to change my mind.

Her: “Please please, I’ll change! I’ll contribute more $$ to things and I don’t need a ring anymore!! I don’t even need marriage! I’m just real scared and don’t know what to do now on my own”

Me: “No, get out”

CRYING CRYING CRYING

What amazed me: how quickly she CAVED on all her demands once I kicked her out and she realized she has to NOW TAKE CARE OF HERSELF…I honestly think she is like most 30 year old chicks today and have NO CLUE how to even do that without our help.

[XSDBSParticipant 3598]

surfdude12 wrote:

She came by to drop off her key this weekend (She had moved her stuff out but still had the key).

I offer this advice: Change the locks as soon as possible!!!
It’s the only way to be sure…
Also, reset your garage door opener/remotes, I had an ex that got in that way once too….

[Anonymous 12]

surfdude i am apalled at your refusal to be her beta bitch.
Oh where have all the good men gone!

inside the houses they built or worked for and bought.
Garden, Hammock, sunshine, go.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

surfdude12 wrote:

What amazed me: how quickly she CAVED on all her demands

Because she knows it’s only temporary until she can arrange an “Oops!” pregnancy. Then she’ll be able to do as she pleases on your dime.

[RhinoParticipant 3477]

Good for you but you still haven’t answered if you blocked her completely from ever contacting you again? I can only hope for you that the answer is yes.

[Pedal, run, rowParticipant]

I hope you drank those tears as they flowed from her weepy eyes.
Delicious!

[OneLaneOnlyPlsParticipant 1747]

I have read every single word of this thread.

surfdude12…

Block her number NOW. All apps, whatsapp, FB, every single one. No excuses, do it now. She will then try to call from private number, you can block that too.

She will then most likely stalk you, and try to communicate to you thru your friends. I am STILL having both of these problems.

When she turns up at the gym/cafe/where-ever – calmly get up and walk away. You don’t have to say jack chit. The less you say, the more of an idiot she looks like.

When your friends forward you a text convo, or call you with ‘oh she said this about you’, get those friends to block her ass too.

As for your ‘blue-pill moments’, its natural for first couple months to feel this occasionally, but it is just that – emotions, and not a true representation of the facts.

The facts are – this woman wanted your resources, and would have done whatever it takes, to get it. Your life, as you know it, would have been over. Every decision you made from then on, would have been compromised. Your thoughts, your privacy, your freedom, all gone.

I’ve dealt with an anorexia ‘victim’ 6 years ago. A lot of what you said in your posts happened with my situation, but worse. Suicidal threats, bipolar, ‘you won’t get anyone better than me’, you name it.

I’ve had 2 serious relationships in my life, there will not be a 3rd. Once you settle in here, absorb everything this site and its members have to offer, you will see things very differently.

Your own sovereignty, well-being both emotionally and physically, and personal safety, are worth more than any woman.

Am going to say this once, if you insist on seeing women still, make sure it is completely casual. No exceptions. Make sure you are HONEST with this from the get-go, capiche? No co-habitation, no preggo, no marriage with 15k ring.

[BrainPilotParticipant 7640]

not much I can add to the excellent advice you’ve already been given above, except this: those blue pill episodes you are having are at least partially ruled by your sex drive. We all know the crazy ones are often the best in bed, especially when they are desperate the way this one is.

The sooner you have sex with another girl, the better. It will help get your mind off this girl, and if this girl finds out, it may help her re-align her sites to another prospective wallet.

Find another crazy desperate girl. Recycle an old ex for a one nighter. Get a prostitute if you have to, but get busy getting sex from another girl. And start immediately (like, TODAY!).

Report back when you have, and I suspect you’ll be reporting that you seem to have a lot less blue pill tendencies to struggle with…

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