Ignoring North Korea discussions disturbing.

[AttonParticipant]

The matter is simple if North Korea does anything it will doom itself.

A MGTOW is a man who is not a woman's bitch!

[Sky-OParticipant 18936]

The problem isn’t North Korea.

It is what China will do if the US neutralizes North Korea as a potential threat.

Once China gets involved: Things get real.

This is the epic cluster-fck that the global political & economic elite have been wanting so that they can use the confusion, war and chaos to cover up the last 3-4 decades of financial manipulations and outright theft via their central banking systems and fiat money.

Any military action and what happens in the aftermath will just be a much needed smokescreen for the criminals that have been getting away with destroying the world already, although systematically. And they want some cover for it all.

[AutoliteParticipant]

OldBill wrote:

Using your faulty gun analogy, it’s not that the Norks are waving around a gun that may or may not be loaded. Instead, the Norks are waving around an airsoft toy and one easily identified as such.

This being the case, what is the purpose of the U.S. government allowing it’s citizens to believe that the N.Koreans might have an ICBM that could reach the continental United States?

Manfred is claiming:

Trump is diverting attention from the deep state targets: Syria, Russia and Iran. There is only a war of words to entertain the populace.

Do you agree with this???

[AutoliteParticipant]

If we now assume that OldBill is correct and that the N. Koreans do not have a true ICBM capability, then why is Trump allowing the American electorate to believe that the threat is real?

Does anyone here think that Trump actually wants to launch an attack against N.K. and is looking for justification???

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Autolite wrote:

why is Trump allowing the American electorate to believe that the threat is real?

It’s not so much that the threat is real right now but that the threat will become real sooner or later (most likely sooner) unless it is actively prevented. And by then it’s too late. And North Korea has proven time and time again that a diplomatic solution will not prevent them from eventually putting a nuke on a missile.

The time to deal with that is BEFORE they have nuclear ICBMs, not after.

Does anyone here think that Trump actually wants to launch an attack against N.K. and is looking for justification???

Nobody wants to attack North Korea. It’s just that the need to keep them from proliferating is far far greater than that want.

Think about what will happen in the other countries of the pacific rim if North Korea gets missile capable nukes. How do you think Japan will respond to that threat? And then how do you think China will respond to Japan’s response? And so on. Things will get extremely ugly extremely quickly.

[Anonymous 1]

Not only will the cleanup be a s~~~fight — but NK in all likelyhood would have a few tens of minutes or hours to rain all hell down on Seoul and other populations near the border with their artillery placed all along the DMZ.

Conventional weapons, sarin, biological, you name it.

Then they’ve got form burrowing tunnels to the South — so expect some blokes to come popping up out of the ground and wreaking havoc.

A city of 25M people.. think about it.

[SandalsParticipant 4253]

Autolite wrote:

Does anyone here think that Trump actually wants to launch an attack against N.K. and is looking for justification???

Trump most definitely wants to launch an attack against North Korea.

Trump stated multiple times during his campaign that the rest of the world will respect us.

Kim tortured Otto before returning him to directly thumb his nose at Trump. Trump is p~~~ed. Trump is trying to figure out how to engage NK without it becoming a guerilla war and without hurting those poor civilians.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Anonymous wrote:

Not only will the cleanup be a s~~~fight — but NK in all likelyhood would have a few tens of minutes or hours to rain all hell down on Seoul and other populations near the border with their artillery placed all along the DMZ.

Naw. If we don’t give a f~~~ about salvaging North Korea afterwards one SSBN can take out the entire country in a matter of minutes before they even know to fire a single shot.

Most people cannot comprehend what Trump meant when he talked about “fire and fury”. I’m not certain even he quite comprehends it.

[SandalsParticipant 4253]

OldBill wrote:

Tuesday will arrive, nothing will happen, and the MSM with their herd of historically illiterate ADD boobs will frisk off to the next “crisis”.

Agreed.

OldBill wrote:

No it isn’t. They have nuclear weapons, but they don’t have any way to deliver them

I do not necessarily agree with this, because, as you say…

OldBill wrote:

About all they could load a nuke into the back of a truck and drive it somewhere

Right. So they could put it on a fishing boat and send it to California.

OldBill wrote:

The Norks don’t even have a reliable missile either. Launching one straight up to fall in the Sea of Japan is kiddie s~~~ compared to trying to hit a target thousands of kilometers away, even a target as big as an island or city.

But it’s difficult to tell what the Chinese might have. Certainly in the past the Chinese sent stuff up in the air (like space shuttles) only to have them come right down and land on some poor village.

But the Chinese have been sending their comrades to American colleges and universities to study all sorts of engineering, and we allow all the traitors in for a buck. I believe our enemy Xi’s daughter currently attends Harvard.

The Chinese are very good at copying stuff. And while you won’t find a single Japanese scientist in a Chinese government facility, you can find plenty of Chinese scientists in a Caucasian government facility (because Caucasians these days are stupidly suicidal).

So while your argument of 50 years of past skirmishes may have previously been valid, I think such thinking is naive at this point.

I don’t think Xi Jin Pi would attempt a nuke, but I could see Kim going rogue. Trump is also p~~~ed at Kim for biological weapon to kill his brother, and for torturing Otto. Trump wants payback.

Since there was a definite date and location mentioned, it must be to throw everyone off guard. We are all looking over here, while there is something else going on over there. Maybe the current border war with India. Maybe something in the South China Sea… I don’t know. It’s Art of War tactic.

But I do know one thing: white people just don’t get how Asians think and act. That’s why whites get ripped off so easily.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Sandals wrote:

Trump wants payback.

Trump wants to stop kicking a can down the road. Patience and diplomacy have proven utterly useless for dealing with North Korea. So what options does that leave?

Personally I think the best solution here is diplomatic, but diplomatic with China and South Korea, not North Korea. Because f~~~ North Korea.

It is being pointed out to them in no uncertain terms that North Korea is a problem that is only going to get worse, and they (China and South Korea) need to agree on a way of ending it before the U.S. is forced to step in with a non-diplomatic solution. And if they can’t come to that agreement, well then use that non-diplomatic solution. The fallout from that between South Korea and China will be bad, but nowhere near the mess that will result in the entire region should North Korea finally manage to create a functional and reliable reentry device.

I will also give Iran pause for thought about their own nuclear ambitions.

[HydroParticipant 164]

I think sundance (author of theconservativetreehouse.com) is probably right on how the North Korea situation will play out. In brief this is his take:

Here are recent 3 posts about North Korea/China, among many more on the website:

MSNBC Brian Williams: “Our Job is to Scare You”…

China Announces Their Official Threats Against President Trump’s Economic Security Policy…

Gordon Chang: President Trump “Fire and Fury” Comments Intended for China Not North Korea…

[Anonymous 3]

Let me try to distil what is on my mind about this issue…

First a disclaimer: I dont know anything. I might read stuff here and there, but most of this stuff is disinformation or is written by people with conflicting agendas. Some of it is just wrong, because most people dont know what they are talking about. Regardless of their degrees or experience.

We live in interesting times, where a guy watches a video and presumes to know enough to discuss complex issues.

The one thing I know is that politics is like magic, it is all deception and prestidigitation. If a magician waves his hand is because he is distracting you from what is really happening. Politician do not discuss the REAL ISSUES, they cover them with FAKE ISSUES.

That is why we have things like the “transgender” non-issue taken into the main political stage. While people go crazy over it they become oblivious of real issues.

North Korea is a non-issue. There is nothing to be done with it without horrendous political price. That war can only be waged as a distraction for something much worst, like economic collapse. But even then, it would require a special “false flag” operation to drive the people to it. Something like an atomic bomb used by North Korea…

Now politics is also a dirty thing, with many groups fighting for power and the advancement of their conflicting interests. That makes the whole thing very confusing.
Nobody really understands exactly what is going on. Even the ones in front of things only know their game, as their opponents try to fool them.

And we, the populace, are supposed to understand what is going on?

“Deep in the human unconscious is a pervasive need for a logical universe that makes sense. But the real universe is always one step beyond logic.”
― Frank Herbert, Dune

What I see is trends, and these trends push for conflicts in the middle east, like Iran and Syria. This trend is responsible for the refugee problem and the terrorist threats. Its all so conveniently aligned that it smells like they are driving the cattle to the slaughterhouse…

Another trend pushes for conflicts with Russia, using Ukraine as a peon and excuse.

The way I see it, Trump opposes these two trends (at least publicly, it could very well be a feint within a feint within a feint…)
The political game of the “Russiagate” is a cleaver manoeuvre to tie his hands and continue the Russia conflict. Yet the middle east trend appears to be quiet for the moment. But dont get fooled, it has gone to far to be stopped, even if “they” wanted.

So, to sum this already long rant: dont look where the magicians are waving their hands, look at what they are distracting you from.

[AutoliteParticipant]

I’m seeing articles that support what OldBill and some others have been saying. The N. Koreans do not yet have an ICBM that can send a nuke to the continental U.S.

http://www.trunews.com/article/s.-korea-intel-says-n.-korea-unlikely-to-really-have-icbm

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/newsweek-exclusive-north-korean-missile-163255839.html

It is reasonable to assume that Trump’s goal is to stifle further development of nuclear ICBMs by the N. Koreans. Why is it that the White House is not being more specific on what they know about N.K. capabilities? What advantage is there allowing Americans think that the N. Koreans might be able to nuke the continental U.S. with what they’ve got now? Is it just a huge distraction tactic as Manfred is claiming???

[OldBillParticipant]

Sandals wrote:

But it’s difficult to tell what the Chinese might have.

I can’t understand the logic behind your discussing Chinese ICBM capabilities in a thread about the DPRK. Or talking about how Japanese aren’t in Chinese research facilities, Xi Jin Pi, or any of the other stuff you posted.

PRC technical missions to the DPRK basically stopped in the early 80s when China pulled out of a joint project building Chinese versions of the USSR’s Romeo-class submarine in Nork shipyards. Since then PRC “assistance” to the Norks has been in the form of buying coal mined by Nork slave labor, granting food aid, allowing Nork “guest workers”, and – most importantly – backing up the DPRK on the geopolitical stage whenever the Norks decide to throw a hissy fit.

China already has ICBMs, ground and sub launched. China has made the simulated “warshots” I wrote about earlier. China has a successful space program too with human launch capabilities – something the US currently does not.

The fact that China has working ICBMs, ICBMs which have been launched along suborbital “warshot” flight paths, flight paths the DPRK hasn’t even come close to attempting, means that the PRC is not helping the Norks in this area.

China has the technology, has used the technology, and has not shared the technology with the DPRK.

Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.

[Anonymous 6]

Look up “Rod of God”. That will tell you everything you need to know if NK decides to act funny…

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Autolite wrote:

The N. Koreans do not yet have an ICBM that can send a nuke to the continental U.S.

…but they will.

That is the real issue here.

And non-military solutions have proven utterly useless at deterring North Korea’s ambitions to get them. So what else is left?

[SandalsParticipant 4253]

OldBill wrote:

I can’t understand the logic behind your discussing Chinese ICBM capabilities in a thread about the DPRK. Or talking about how Japanese aren’t in Chinese research facilities, Xi Jin Pi, or any of the other stuff you posted.

Regarding Japanese, I was only making an analogy. I wasn’t actually talking about the Japanese in a political sense.

Not sure where to begin with this. It’s a good question, because I was working on postulates that I didn’t state (I have stated them elseware, but not in this thread).

It sounds to me like you know quite a bit about weapons, and perhaps work in defense. Before I answer, I am very curious to know where you got the information for the following statement:

OldBill wrote:

China has a successful space program too with human launch capabilities

[SandalsParticipant 4253]

sidecar wrote:

Trump wants to stop kicking a can down the road.

As far as I can tell, the only way to do that is to reset the money system, and eliminate a whole lot of people and corporations.

[SkeptiskParticipant 3679]

It’s all a distraction from what the powers-that-be want to population to be oblivious of. The posturing by the NK pests has been going on for a long time, and mostly it’s for internal consumption; “Look what I can do!” As has been said, the fault-lines are between the US and China, and US owes a lot of paper-money to China, China are attempting to make themselves independent by creating an internal economy. Which fails, as they’ve build entire cities void of life (Keynesian economics).

It seems to me that the powers-that-be are trying to conjure up positive mental images of a World Government (through the UN), knowing full well that the trial-run with the European Union is in the process of disintegrating with the Brexit.

So, before the disintegration can full develop, they want to stir the pot as much as possible; external threats: North-Korea, Iran, Syria, Russia. Internal threats; White Supremacists, Conspiracy Theorists, Constitutionalists etc. versus leftists/antifa/”progressives”, BLM, etc.

And ask yourself this question; who benefits?

"Expecting to find a decent woman on a dating site is like dumpster diving and expecting to come out with a gourmet meal." Won'tGetFooledAgain

[OldBillParticipant]

Sandals wrote:

Before I answer, I am very curious to know where you got the information for the following statement:

Really? You’ve missed all the media reports over the last 20 years or so?

The PRC launched it’s first satellite in 1970 and put it’s first man in orbit for ~20 hours in 2003. They have launched at least two space labs, both of which have had crewed and un-crewed spacecraft dock at them. The PRC as also put a lander/rover combination on the Moon, tested ASAT weapons, is working on an orbital solar panel project, and is collaborating with Russia on Mars exploration projects.

The PRC’s Long March boosters are proven human-rated launch vehicles much like Russia’s Soyuz and Proton vehicles.

Since the retirement of the Space Shuttle in 2011, the US has no human-rated launch capabilities and thus most beg for rides on Russian launches.

Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.

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