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  • Keymaster
    Keymaster
    Keymaster

    Does the pain from being cheated on ever end?

    Of course.

    It ends THE VERY MINUTE you stop expecting women to be faithful and understand they are more promiscuous and have more sexual partners than men.

    It ends on the day you stop buying into any of that “how do I know I can trust you?” womanly crap s~~~-testing fraud pretense where they pretend “men have a problem with commitment” when everybody knows getting a woman to cheat is easier than getting her to go to the gym. All you gotta do is throw it in front of her face.

    Women cheat their age, their looks, hair color, eye lashes, nails, height, weight, and lie about their motivations. One wonders where you ever got the idea that she would NOT cheat? She will even attempt to cheat you OUT of it! If you’re not aware of this, one day , you will come home and she toss you a baby and say “here, this is yours”… while expecting you to pay for her mistake and s~~~ty choices.

    And PS. Christmas is coming. No matter how hard you work to put thought into a nice gift for her, you can be prepared that YOUR gift could be a fake positive pregnancy test which she bought from craigslist for $20 while she says “OOPS!” and expects you to stick around until Feb 15th, when she finally admits she was “just kidding – false alarm”.

    Accept it. And congratulations. You’re cured.

    MERRY CHRISTMAS AND A HAPPY NEW YEAR.

    See this video? Just because a woman throws a f~~~ing violent & destructive s~~~ fit and threatens to carve her name into your leather seats — or take a Louisville slugger to your headlights — doesn’t mean she’s not playing sperm vacuum with 10 other guys. You have been sold a mammoth LIE that women are faithful and trustworthy themselves.

    They aren’t. Stop expecting women to be faithful.
    Jerry Springer and Maury Povich made goddam TV careers out of exposing female infidelity.

    Who the f~~~ would ever expect her to NOT cheat when all that’s required is the willingness to spread her legs – especially when she doesn’t even understand the consequences of her own actions. Not even guilt will stop women from cheating. That’s because women think that cheating requires some kind of expressed willingness or premeditation on their part to actually count. I s~~~ you not, that is exactly what they say. To a woman “cheating” requires a planning and malice on par with a bank robbery. Blowing some Guido in the nightclub toilet “didn’t count”.

    Can you believe that? It means if a woman can somehow convince a co-worker to force himself on her, that “doesn’t count” as cheating. But stand back because it gets worse.

    Women also don’t count miring themselves in twisted, Dynasty-styled emotional affairs as “cheating”. For instance, a woman may hang around with as many as five or six of her ex-boyfriends without batting an eye. She may accept niceties from male co-workers or university staff members without ever questioning the motive of a free backrub. That’s a perfectly reasonable thing to be handing out, isn’t it? A free backrub? They’re like porno pamphlets in Vegas.

    Like any virus, women are not content with ruining their own lives. Ultimately, they seek out the lives of decent, honest men and tempt and corrupt them until they appear to be the cheaters – when nothing could be further from the truth. Cheating is 100% a woman’s fault and 100% avoidable by her, because sex never even happens unless SHE wants it to.

    If you know a woman, you can bet she is cheating at this very moment — OR — she is attempting to get away with cheating her husband/boyfriend OUT of it.

    “I have a headache”.

    “No you don’t. Your dildo is still moist in the goody drawer. Did you mistake it for aspirin? “.

    Learn it, and there will never be “pain” again.

    If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.
    #374009
    Keymaster
    Keymaster
    Keymaster

    That’s normal and I have a few stories like that. The most recent one (with an utter blue pill newly married asshole I have known for years ) went like this….

    “Haven’t seen you in a while! Guess what, my wife is expecting!”

    ( silent nod )

    “PSST, you’re line is …. CONGRATULATIONS!!”

    “I’m …. sorry…. I…. don’t congratulate people for having unprotected sex. But I tell you what. When the kid has a 21st birthday and she didn’t become a stripper, or he didn’t become a tranny crack head, THEN I will wish you congratulations on your good parenting.”

    This brings me to my question. How has MGTOW affected your relationships with your friends?

    I’ve always been “red pill” for the most part, but as guilty as anyone for certain blue-pill behaviors. Most people LIKED me for it. It’s why I had the friends (and even girlfriends) I did. In fact, maybe it’s my delivery, but it comes out “funny” and makes them laugh in a “you can’t be serious” kind of way.

    I remember my best friend (100% blue pill) once shaking his head saying “The world according to Keymaster”…. but really, I was just speaking the truth.

    Over time, he learned the same truths and he became less condescending and jabbed less. He invited me to his wedding, and I didn’t go and told him WHY. Within 4 months, his new bride was swinging from a tattooed biker dick. I just listened like a good friend should.

    Occasionally/rarely, it can get heated and ugly, but they don’t win.

    Once I was “shamed” at a dinner party for not being married yet, and another long time friend was REALLY pushing my limit. He wanted to sucker me into a political debate and I refused to engage. I finally said “OK if you must know, I’m republican on some things, and democrat on others. Satisfied?”

    “Democrat on what?”

    “Like marriage. Marriage is for gays.”

    It was like pulling the pin on a hand grenade and leaving a mushroom cloud behind. I just continued with my dessert and tried to hold back the laughter.

    Do your views change those relationships?

    I don’t think of them as “views”.

    But my “views” have also MADE valuable friends.

    Have said friendships ended?

    Yes. Two. But really, I don’t care. They weren’t my “friends” like others who still contact and wish me happy birthday after 20 years. I prefer those friends anyway. If you can really be yourself and have one or two friends in this world…. you’re doing very well.

    What is the best way you have learned to address these situations?

    Internalize it until it’s necessary to nuke them.

    “A jedi uses the force for knowledge and defense. Never for attack.”
    – YODA

    Obviously I feel bad for the poor fool who spent over a grand on his girlfriend who won’t receive the same treatment and it’s kinda hard to not make a comment about it.

    I watched a video a couple of days ago — entitled something like “puppy proposal” — where this guy staged an elaborate proposal and finished it off by giving her a white puppy at the end. He was leading her around and she was the center of attention while others video-ed it with their phones.

    It was like he was a game show host and lavishing her in prizes. She was crying and screaming “OMG!!” and it was a great big theatrical production designed to make her so overwhelmingly happy , she was screaming and gushing with tears.

    As I watched this spectacle he put on – meticulously planning and rehearsing every last detail in advance – I wondered if she would EVER make such efforts to try and generate they same reaction from him.

    If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.
    Masculine_Man
    Masculine_Man
    Participant

    Titled, “How to make feminism great again”, author Christina Hoff Summers calls the baby named feminism ugly as f~~~.

    Hillary Clinton’s defeat is wreaking havoc in the sisterhood. Celebrity feminists are especially distraught. “Girls” star Lena Dunham developed hives and fled to Sedona for spiritual renewal. Katy Perry took to Twitter to declare “THE REVOLUTION IS COMING.” For feminist icon Robin Morgan, the election is proof that “a diseased patriarchy is in a battle to the death with women.”

    But less excitable analysts are drawing more sober conclusions: Perhaps the women’s movement is too elitist and out of touch with ordinary citizens, especially working-class women. That seems right, but I would go one step further. Today’s feminism is not merely out of touch with everyday Americans; it’s out of touch with reality. To survive, it’s going to have to come back to planet Earth.

    First of all, it’s time to stop calling the United States a patriarchy. A patriarchy is a system where men hold the power and women do not. Women do hold power in the United States — they lead major universities and giant corporations, write influential books, serve as state and federal judges and even manage winning presidential campaigns. American women, especially college-educated women, are the freest and most self-determining in human history. Why pretend otherwise?

    Because it was never about equality and more about superiority. Thanks for writing this but for some of us it is too late.

    Today’s women’s movement also needs to reckon with the fact that men struggle just as much as women. Modern life is a complicated mix of burdens and advantages for each sex. Too often, feminism focuses on gender inequities among elites: CEOs, MIT astrophysicists, U.S. senators. It is true that there are too few women in those positions, but we need to consider the entire workforce for context. Most backbreaking, lethally dangerous jobs — roofer, logger, roustabout and coal miner, to name a few — are done by men.

    It is men — especially working-class men — who are disproportionately crushed, mutilated, electrocuted or mangled at work. Activists lament the dearth of women in the Fortune 500, but they fail to mention the Unfortunate 4,500 — the approximate number of men killed on the job every year.

    Finally someone sees this. Too bad the masses are blind in their self righteous bulls~~~. But seriously, this isn’t going to change my opinion on self improvement. Quite frankly, I don’t need women, feminism, or their supporters. Check out the full article below.

    Article:http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-feminism-patriarchy-working-class-women-20161208-story.html

    If it costs you your peace of mind, then it is too expensive.

    #370688
    CombatRoll
    CombatRoll
    Participant

    This post came at a critical time for me. I am nearly 5 months into a never ending divorce…just

    I too sit here tonight and cannot conjure up a vision of what life would be like to finally be free of this evil creature. It is all I can do to survive 1 more day….sometimes 1 more hour.

    Hang in there. You and I are the same age and you are ahead of me in the process. I’m still planning and preparing.

    I hate you are in divorce hell. What would you have done differently to prepare, if you had it all to do over again?

    #370499

    In reply to: Intro Part 2

    Joey Alfio
    Joey Alfio
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    I’ve seen friends die, cousins shot. I have almost all my male relatives locked up and this s~~~ made a thug cry.

    And of course the bitch could give a rats ass about your feelings because supposedly men are incapable of love or emotions yet we go through extreme lengths to vanguard it and all bitches do is give us the s~~~ test and mooch from our resources and call it love. This is why we need to treat women like s~~~ and view them as utilities. There are men out there who are in bondage from their love with tuna that when the divorce or break up appears many end up f~~~ed or commit suicide.

    Back in my blue pill days I used to date this catholic girl and she drank and partied a lot which became so embarrassing and unbearable that I gave her the option to either quit it or end our relationship and she chose the latter but looking back the s~~~ I did for that bitch you would think they would finally end the saying where did all the good men go? But the truth is c~~~s drove them all away. I left the plantation, worked my ass off and got a good career and I live a comfortable life with no dried up fish tank nagging me. I couldn’t ask for more.

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    TBL225
    TBL225
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    New member here. Figured I’d tell some of my stories.

    I’m a pretty young guy, I’m only 27 years old, but throughout college and my early 20’s, I’ve had more than enough relations~~~s for my liking. Some of them were short term and a few were long term. As the title suggests, this will be about the cheating whore, the pyscho, and the gold digger. Sorry in advance, this is going to be a long one.

    The Cheating Whore
    The Cheating Whore was my first long term relationship. This started during my junior year of college. I met a girl on campus who was a few years younger than me. I was 21 years old and she had just turned 18 years old. We were together for about two years and at the time I thought it was a good relations~~~. I was still in my early years of dating so obviously I was naive and blinded by all of the typical things a woman does in a relations~~~. I should have known that this situation would have turned out the way it did, considering that this girl enlisted in the Army ROTC program on campus. As many of you probably understand, a woman in real standards can be a 5 or 6 on the hotness scale, but once she enters a field, which is largely dominated by the male population, she instantly believes she’s an 8, 9, or even a 10 with all of the c~~~ being thrown her way.

    I remember when dating this girl, she would constantly tell me how all of these ARMY ROTC guys in her platoon would hit on her. On several occasions she told me how ARMY guy A would say that she should break up with me and date him or how ARMY guy B wanted to f~~~ her. When these things happened, she went out of her way to say that she rejected them, but I should have taken note of the way she brought these things up. Obviously I didn’t do what I should have done, but I did call her out on her bulls~~~ and even had a few words with one of the guys. So after being almost two years into our relations~~~, she dropped a bomb on me. She was from another state but lived on campus throughout the year. During winter break she went home to visit her family. During that break, I went to visit her and that’s when I learned something that would unknowingly set me on the path to change. During my visit we were out on a drive when she told me that she had to come clean with something. This is how the conversation went (almost sounded like the intro to a Jerry Springer skit), “You know I love you, but I went to a party with my friends and I got drunk. I think I slept with someone, but my friends say I didn’t”. I thought to myself, “How the hell can you think that, but at the same time think otherwise because your friends say you didn’t?”. Needless to say, I made the right choice and broke up with her. A few months later I learned through Facebook that she was f~~~ing other guys right after we broke up.

    But I got my revenge.
    Almost a year after breaking up with the Cheating Whore, I ran into her at a coffee shop. It was at this time she came up to me and started her chit chat. “Oh hey! How are you!”, she said. I proceeded to tell her how I had graduated, found a great job in my career field, and that I was doing great. Looking back on this, Tom Leykis is 100% accurate in saying that all women care about is fame, money, and power. When I told her all of this she was sucked in. We hung out a few times and I knew that she was dating a new guy. Of course, he was in the ARMY too. This is where I got my revenge. One day she invited me over to her apartment, needless to say, I did the pump and waited for the dump. She became infatuated with me all over again and even broke up with her boyfriend. At this point, I pumped it a few more times and then dumped it only to leave her with nothing. She was destroyed and the mission was accomplished.

    The Psycho
    The Psycho was one of those chicks I met on an online dating website. Over the years, I’ve tried these and I’ve concluded that they’re a total waste of time and money. After pumping and dumping the Cheating Whore, I had a few hookups and did my thing for a few months. I decided to see what the online dating world had to offer. That’s when I met The Psycho. The Psycho at first didn’t seem like a psycho. She was educated, came from a wealthy family, had her own money, and she could cook, clean, etc. For about 8 months our relations~~~ was without issue…that is…until we moved in together. Once we moved in together, I started to see who she really was. I had never lived with a woman before so this was a new experience for me. This chick would start throwing tantrums over anything and everything. Forget to put the toilet seat down? Argument! Didn’t clean something the “right way”? Argument! The list goes on. I slowly learned that this woman was an emotional wreck and her psychological and emotional abuse only got worse. We went on vacation to Mexico, which her rich mother paid for, and it was probably one of the worst times I’ve ever had. It was my first vacation. Up until then, I couldn’t afford to take one on my own. During the vacation all we did was argue and fight. Had I not been drunk on the beach every day, I’m sure I would have gone mad. Once we got back to the states, things continued to decline. The psycho was slowly pushing everyone out of my life. My friends, my family, coworkers, everything.

    There came a time when I wanted to visit family or have them come over. She would play mind games by saying, “If you want to visit them or have them come over fine…but I’m not going or I’m not going to be here when they are”. The times I did what I wanted, I paid. I was slowly becoming depressed over this situation and I blame myself for getting into that mess. I felt trapped having been with this woman for about two years. Since this was the first person I had ever lived with, it felt more difficult to just get up and leave. One night she and I had visited her parents. I of course was drunk because that was the only way to tolerate The Psycho and her bulls~~~. It was during this time that the Psycho’s mother suggested that a family trip to Paris France would be fun. She offered to pay for the trip and asked if I wanted to go. I don’t know how someone in my situation would have said, “No”, even though I knew I couldn’t afford all of the bulls~~~ that came with that “all expenses paid” trip. I agreed to go and a few hours later, The Psycho’s mother approached me in secret.

    The Psycho’s mother came up to me and asked, “So since we are going to Paris France, I was wondering if you had thought about proposing to my daughter…It’s her dream to get proposed to in front of the Eiffel Tower”. Being a drunk dumbass, I said “yes”. So there I was a couple of weeks before the trip. The Psycho’s mother planned a “trick” window shopping event where The Psycho would get an opportunity to look at wedding rings. You know what I’m talking about right? Well anyways, The Psycho picked out this one band that was over $10,000 USD. I was like, “No way in hell I can afford that”. Her mother said to me, “Don’t worry, my daughter wants her grandmother’s diamond (which was a ridiculously sized diamond valued at over $40,000 USD) and all you have to do is pay for the band…You can afford it…Take out a loan”. When I told her I actually couldn’t afford it, she purchased the band for her daughter and said I could pay her back at a later time. Wow.

    The trip finally came. Again it was filled with arguments and fights. I had my cell phone stolen from the hotel room. Awesome. I finally proposed and I thought to myself, “What the f~~~ am I doing?”. When we got back to the states, The Psycho’s attitude completely changed. She didn’t wear the engagement ring, the sex stopped, she became more emotional, and there were so many issues with her, she wouldn’t talk. I then learned that she was going through my things, including my computer, so I decided to return the favor. I knew something wasn’t right. I went on her computer and luckily for me, Apple Computers sync text messages from your cell phone. I read through all of her messages and found that she and her mother were talking s~~~ about me and my entire family. She was also being very secretive and was doing things behind my back. So what did I do? I confronted her about it. She immediately screamed at me, called her mom on the phone, yelled “He read my f~~~ing text messages”, hung up the phone, and kicked me out of the house. I went back to my parents house and didn’t talk to her for a few days. I then grew a pair of b~~~~ and called everything off. She tried to suck me back in by sending gifts and what not. I guess once she realized it was over she had to make a final move. She drove to my parents house and waited outside. I knew what she was trying to do and I understood all of the false claims she could make against me to get revenge, so I didn’t go outside. Eventually, my younger brother who could pass as my twin had to leave the house. He jumped in his car and drove off really fast to get away from her. She followed in her Mercedes rich bitch car and nearly ran him off of the road. At that point, I had to file a police report. It was over. That following day, I rented a moving truck, packed my s~~~ up, and was gone for good.

    The Gold Digger
    After The Psycho, I took a break for a year. I needed time to get back on my feet. I also needed time to start paying off the $15,000 in credit card debit I had acquired from buying high priced furniture, dinners, clothes, gifts, etc for The Psycho. After a year I was ready to move on. This is when I got involved with The Gold Digger. The Gold Digger was a girl I had dated briefly in high school for about a month. It was one of those teenage relations~~~s that never went anywhere. Anyways, I came across her and man was she smoking hot. She also happened to be very interested in me when she learned about my career. If you haven’t guessed by my avatar, I work in law enforcement. So the Gold Digger was instantly hooked. She did however let me know how I “treated her badly” during our high school relations~~~, but she joked about it more than anything. I should have taken this as a sign that she might be out for revenge, but she had the nicest body and biggest t~~~ I had ever seen so I decided to stick with it.

    At the time, The Gold Digger had finished her bachelors in marriage and family therapy down at the University of Tampa and moved back home to my state. I thought to myself, well she studied this field so how bad can she be in a relations~~~? Damn I was wrong. She was working as a waitress and applying to graduate school at the time and we started to date. I learned that she had been single for a few months after breaking things off with a long term boyfriend. She was living with him and had to move back home with her parents. Another red flag. So as a guy trying to hit one of the hottest chicks I’ve ever been with, I did what I had to do to get on her good side. She made me feel like a jerk for how I was in high school so I bent over backwards for her. I helped her move out of her parents house into an apartment. Luckily for me, I learned my lesson with The Psycho and didn’t offer to join. Once I moved her in to her apartment the issues started. It was a hot August day and her apartment was in an un-air conditioned house on the top floor. Her room was hot as hell and honestly, sweaty smashing didn’t sound good to me. I offered to buy her a window air conditioner. She said, “Noooo, you don’t have to do that! I’ll buy one myself!”. A few days went by and the heat got worse. I said, “Hey, let’s go look at air conditioners since we’re out on the road!” and she agreed. Once we found one she liked, I said, “Now all you have to do is buy it”. She immediately got angry and left the store. I found out that she was mad that I expected her to buy it when I had offered to buy one, but she told me not to. WTF?

    So eventually we moved past that point. I took her on vacations, brought her out to dinner, casino, bought her things, etc. All dumb blue pill guy stuff. This is when she started p~~~ing me off and I began to wake up. One night I went to the restaurant she worked at for dinner. I went in for dinner to see her before my shift started and she sat me down next to a table of other guys. She gave me a kiss and all of that nonsense. The guys next to me obviously knew we were together. Once they left, she gathered their check and started to laugh. I said, “What’s so funny?”. She proceeded to show me the receipt where one of the douchebags put his number on it and said call me. Naturally, I got p~~~ed and asked why she felt the need to laugh about this and show me. This started a huge argument because she felt I didn’t trust her. Give me a break. A few more fights later we broke up. Then we started talking again and tried to make things work. One night she called me and told me that one of her coworkers had stabbed her husband in the back with a kitchen knife. I said, “Wow, that really sucks…she’s in some big trouble”. The Gold Digger asked, “Can’t she claim self defense?!”. Seriously guys…think about that for a second…you can probably guess what my response was. After I answered her, she called me heartless, an emotional terrorizer, and said I never did anything for her and that I was good for nothing. Really? Well that’s nice. Needless to say we broke up. I started messing around after her with this one chick and left it as a casual pump and dump.

    I know that was long, thanks for reading. It was after all of the above nonsense that I decided to just stay single. Red pill is a life changer. Looking back on all of this, everything I’ve heard others say is 100% true. Hopefully someone gets something out of my stories.

    Where I am Today
    I’m happy to say that I’ve paid off all of my credit card debt. I paid off one student loan and I’m working on the others. I’ve got a bunch of money in my savings and 401K and it appears that by the end of 2017 I’ll have all student loans and my truck loan paid off. House here I come!

    #369814

    I started going my own way before I was old enough to drink — well before I was old enough to realize the journey I was actually taking.

    She was pretty, seemed into me, and I genuinely enjoyed being around her. I enjoyed who I was when I was around her. So much so that I asked her to marry me; she said yes, we celebrated, spent the holidays together, made plans, and when the new year came I rushed to spend it with her. All but ran up to her apartment, opened the door, and saw that she was… gone.

    Gone gone.

    Not a single item of furniture.
    No calls.
    No texts.
    No fight.
    No “Dear John” letter.

    Her own parents were stunned. Her friends played stupid.

    She reached out to me months later, gave me something akin to an apology. I told her I’d slept with one of her friends (which I had) and somehow our conversation ended with me apologizing for jumping into bed with her disloyal skank of a friend, instead of discussing why there was an “ex” in front of “fiance” in the first place.

    So, I slept with her friend again; you know, to clear my head. Learned, in the process, there wasn’t even another guy involved: my fiancee had simply wanted to move across the country more than she wanted to be with me, had her “I’m about to settle down” freak out, and forgot to talk to me about it.

    I took off across the country, like she had, just headed for different states and into the arms of different women. In no particular order, there was the good little Catholic girl (read: absolute slut), the drug addict, the surfer, the druggie who committed herself to an institution (possibly the only girlfriend I’ve had I still respect), the bipolar chick, the cheater, the other cheater, the other other cheater, the one who was cheating with me on her boyfriend and I didn’t realize it until we inadvertently met (fun day, justice was well-served), the one who might have been a unicorn (and wasn’t), the one who thought she was a unicorn (and definitely wasn’t), and the hippie.

    Almost got married again. Sabotaged at least half of those relationships, right when the signs of “I want to talk about settling down” started to crop up.

    Gave it one final shot last year, when I met a woman who really was everything she purported to be. Nerdy, passionate, successful, sharp. I was enthralled… which is why I didn’t have the kids conversation until we’d been together a few months. I was 31 and she was 34 so — as you can imagine — it went from 0 to 60 nuclear f~~~ing bombs in a matter of seconds.

    Ever seen those massive arrays of dominoes? The ones that form a picture when all the tiles are laid flat? They all start with just this small, single flick of the finger against an innocuous little piece of ivory.

    “I’m having kids in the next two years, regardless of my relationship status.”

    *flick*

    18 years. 18 years since my first girlfriend, since I first knew what a kiss was, what a boob felt like, what I thought was supposed to be a, if not the, driving factor of manhood for me. I did the math: if I’d placed just one domino for every hour of 18 years, I’d have an array of 157,680 dominoes all precariously stood upright, waiting for the inevitable moment one of them hit another. And this woman made the tip, just knocked the whole goddamn thing down, and I had the the most obvious of choices to make:

    Bend and pick up the pieces?

    Or strike a match and watch it all burn?

    I decided on using thermite instead of an accelerant.

    It ended as badly as you’d think; she accused me of being even worse than her ex-husband (who cheated on her… with a trannie), explained how despicable I was for not wanting children, etc. etc. ad nauseum.

    So I sort of drifted. I’m still sort of drifting. I discovered the anti-SJW movement shortly after, which led me directly to MGTOW, of which all roads eventually pointed to here. I shut down my dating profiles, quit Facebook, told some fairweather friends to pound sand, dove into work, upgraded my PC rig, worked on my car, worked on myself. I start a new and better job in just a couple weeks.

    But I also grappled — still grapple, arguably — with some scars, cleaned up some old wounds, asked myself the sort of challenging and uncomfortable questions that make it tough to meet your own eyes in the mirror, let a lot of anger and indignation burn through all of it.

    I don’t feel empty and I don’t feel at peace, but I feel closer to it. I can see the dawn breaking and I feel like I’ve found not just who I am, but who I want to be and even where I want to be.

    But I have no idea where to go from here.

    There’s no princess to pluck out of the castle (though no shortage of dragons to fight off), no kids to struggle for, no family who needs me to provide, no “special girl” to be reaching for on some faraway, ephemeral horizon. I feel utterly lost without it. And while it’s great in the sense that I didn’t need a gruesome divorce with a battleaxe of an ex to see the light, I’m still at a loss of what to do and where to go from here. 3 decades and change now, all spent with this goal just over the horizon for me to aim for and… well, I want to live for something. I just don’t know what anymore.

    I’ll end my rambling here, but I wanted to reach out to my brothers in spirit I never knew I had until it was nearly too late, if only to admit to someone that I feel… displaced… and I don’t have the pride or shame left to cop to it.

    I don’t feel hopeless and I know my answers will come to me in time. It’s just that my local library is fresh out of copies of “Society: What To Do After You Tell It To F~~~ Off”, so if anyone’s got some cliff notes or wrote a different thesis on it, I’m all ears.

    "Almost the main work of life is to come out of our selves, out of the little dark prison we are all born in... The danger is that of coming to love the prison." ~ C.S. Lewis

    #369758
    LastManStanding
    LastManStanding
    Participant

    However hard this has been, I am still hopeful about the future and once the kids are off to college – I will be on my way. I just cant get myself to make my kids grow up in a broken household

    Respect to you for that. I can only think of all the good men hanging on for the sake of their kids. I really couldn’t not stand it in the end but I respect those who do.
    You are carving out as much of a MGTOW life as you can for now. That’s good.

    Man, I am rooting for you. I hope your prison sentence ends one day.

    My small piece of advice is starting buying silver coins with cash and keep them far from her. Don’t let her know about them. Buy as many as you can. After your divorce is finalized you can cash them in for a nice little nest egg to rebuild your life. Start planning now. Get your ducks in a row and we will be here to support you when you pull the trigger (if she doesn’t first).

    Hammerhead
    Hammerhead
    Participant

    There were times that I wasn’t sure that I could survive the divorce process. It was brutal, more expensive than I could have imagined, emotionally damaging and depressing. I used to sit in the courtyard of my apartment building, smoking a cigar, trying to conjure up an image of a livable future. She dragged it out to make it as painful for me as possible, nearly bankrupted me, all for my having the audacity to leave her. The financial toll will be difficult for years to come, but at least I’m a doer, not a spender…I have enough “toys” to enjoy my free time and no expensive luxury tastes or hobbies.

    My health has improved in the past year, my mental state is very good, and my financial prospects are better than I had hoped. The monthly alimony is a painful permanent cost, particularly since the ex-wife has NO obligation to do anything to support herself, but it’s the deal with which I was stuck. Long-term marriage? Permanent alimony, at least until I can retire. That’s the system, and I had no choice. But at least she doesn’t get any part of my annual salary increases.

    This past weekend was my one-year anniversary of the final divorce decree. I spent it enjoying a trip with a woman who is more than a decade and a half younger than me, who eagerly had sex every evening and morning…and any other time that I want it.

    Another woman of long acquaintance (*ahem*), closer to my age, has asked me to join her for a holiday night together at a nice hotel, at her expense. Like the younger one, she will ensure that I am well-satisfied anytime that I like.

    Neither of them expect – – nor will receive – – any expensive gifts for Christmas. I have a strict limit of $100 per woman for the holiday. That will be spent on activities, not trinkets. They both thoroughly understand that I will never marry again, nor cohabitate, and that any discussion of the “Where is this relationship going?” or “Where do you see us in xx years?” will be cause for immediate relationship termination. It keeps things simple and enjoyable.

    This isn’t what I had expected my life to be like, a year after the final decree, but it’s a good life…one that I want to live, that fills me with optimism again. Not the “I won the mega-bucks lottery!” type of happiness, but a warm pleasure in knowing that life can be simple and enjoyable again. I will be able to enjoy my hobbies and activities with no one at home to have to account to for my time, to nag me, to lessen my enjoyment of a peaceful, productive and satisfying life.

    For those brothers still trapped on the plantation, I can assure you that the difficult journey was worth the trip. I wish you all of the best luck in your own transition. For those young bucks who haven’t yet fully accepted the red pill, think about this…my divorce will cost me about half a million dollars, counting everything. My retirement lifestyle will be much more frugal than I had hoped. Do you think ANY woman is worth that expense?

    Gargamel
    Gargamel
    Spectator

    Here is an extended repost of replies I wrote in this Thread, but they also belong here.

    On the importance of getting over the “need to impress women” and on “ghosting”, being a stealth MGTOW…

    And why self-development – getting out of the matrix – is the only escape
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    Stealthy, I agree on all you say.

    But I didn’t get the chance to be stealth, at least not where I grew up. But I made it anyway and I come to the same conclusion that you do:

    Sausage Fingers wrote:
    Removing the need to impress women for pussy was just silly looking back.

    phoenix wrote:
    Even if the law empowers men, because of women’s dominance in social and domestic spheres, that is in fact about the only way you can create equality. If the private and public spheres are both rigged for female dominance, then men are completely lost.

    That is is inspiration for a complete and separate topic.

    Women control the social surroundings of a man and make his life a living hell if he depends on them. Being a MGTOW in a small village is a lot harder than in a big city. The “intimacy” with the gossip of women forces men to do what they want in order not to be cast out.

    But it’s not “real power” unless you need them as customers. I had the advantage to be able to do high-tech s~~~ that no electrician could do and that my profession was getting rare. So none of these “gossip-hive women” liked me but still gave me work.

    But any other career would have made it necessary to move away and become “anonymous” in some bigger city. If the “gossipers” can’t visualize your face then they have a hard time to pin you down. That is why I always managed to stay alive.
    I put my advertising campaigns outside the circle of action of these hive women that would talk “fairy tales” about me.

    These village hive asshole c~~~s gave their best to ruin me.

    Of course, they were jealous about the fact that it wasn’t “their own son” that owns the “renowned and respected company”… After they were looking down on me for all of my youth it f~~~ed the hell out of them to see me in an expensive car and watch me go to restaurants twice a day…

    Me: “No I don’t need a woman, restaurants do it all for me…”

    Hive c~~~: “But you have to be able to AFFORD that!”

    Me: “Don’t worry, I have bigger bills to pay”

    And you could see their jaw drop. Good revenge after a childhood of belittlement and berating from these dumb women. It’s so fulfilling to see them go from “overbearing and pitiful” to “JEALOUS-mode”.

    That means “You made it… They hate you!”

    And it broke them when I used the “laugh” I adopted from Gargamel.

    That is MGTOW education. How not to give women the power over you that they THINK they have.

    “Move up” and then “out”.

    NFG comes automatically or is needed to sustain your success. Because women always give you false advice and navigation that will crash you.

    Women have strange motives for that. And even if it is the life- or career-failure of their own children that drives them to hate you for “making it in life” without THEIR consent.

    Hamster wheel: “How dare this low-life son of my stupid beautician to become such a well-earning and beloved man in the city? This can’t be right. He must be A CROOK. “

    They would never see that it is ambition, knowledge and a positive personality that “made it happen” for the “little problem boy” that they guilt-shamed all over his youth.

    Seeing my career path would tell these hive women how wrong they were with their prediction “that this boy is no good”. And women are never wrong. And so they make up lies and fairy tales to be “in the right again”…

    Or to make you fail, so they are “in the right again”.

    Hive women are disgusting and repulsive in their ways. All the way.

    And I tell them that. Just the way I write this down “here”. I use the “3rd person” but in all of this “county” here I am left alone without local women hitting on me at all.

    Women have already told each other that “this man” knows “how they function” in their heads and that he will do everything to fly underneath their radar… and igores their “social power” completely.

    A man will only suffer from “women’s power” if he gives them the opportunity to hurt him.

    If he cares about women’s opinions, then they have the hooks in him.

    Living as an outcast is easier than obeying a c~~~.

    Move up, then out…

    In Stealthy’s words: “Focus on you”

    Career is freedom. And why?

    Women brainwash you with the opposite…

    In your career you get the recognition and valuation from others that your bitching wife will never give you. And working without reward makes a man sick.

    A MGTOW is a man that doesn’t allow a women to make him sick.

    This website saves lives.

    Sausage Fingers wrote:
    Like being locked in jail for 50 years and Keymaster and other bros came and let me out.

    Maybe our captain calls himself “Keymaster” for a reason.

    He delivers the key to the prison cell door: To set us free from our “mental prison”

    Thank you! This is one of the best concepts I got for a long time. And this considering that many people this site have already given me a LOT to think about.

    It is the by-product of a c~~~ ridden childhood. Being born a boy with special capabilities, I had 3 narcissistic borderline c~~~s that wanted to “straighten me out” and get rid of my adult ways and adult thinking… They wanted me to be a stupid kid and “be like all the others” and so everything I did was drawn into the negative.

    Fixing radios was “foolish and would make the boy an outsider”… Yes, not the radios but the c~~~s were making me an outsider with their stupid and insulting babble all over the hive.

    Suddenly the world around me recognized and honored my skills with respect and later: Money.

    This had begun as a toddler. My middle sister – 8 years older them me, like a second mother – would try to convince the whole world that her “retarded little brother” was too stupid for everything and that I was a misbirth. No insult and no violence was spared. I got the whole package of “female stupid hamster wheel” evilness…

    But many of my mother’s customers saw that I built entire housing complexes with Lego and starting at age 4, they would even get (working) electric light. And there I got all of my recognition from.
    Lego wasn’t the only thing I would do at a very high level and reading the newspaper at age 5 would finally finish off my sister’s shaming attempts.

    People would treat me like a “childhood star”… All, except the dumb c~~~s that would start to treat me even worse because of their jealousy for not having a son themselves and if, then for not having a son that has these capabilities…

    So the village c~~~ hive was beginning to get “polarized” 20 % in favor of me and 80 percent against me. Those that loved me, were 100% on my side and those that hated me were not stopping at any insult they could come up with.

    Although I haven’t insulted them one single bit, at least not in the beginning. C~~~s hate you for being smarter than they can handle. Like they hate appliances they cannot operate. Or why do they drive such s~~~ty cars?

    But that’s the bottom line. A life with 100% success rate “outside the family’s circle of influence” and being treated as “retarded little fool” inside the family.

    Then:

    After having grown up, you think twice about EVER getting back into a family or family-like arrangement.

    Wherever women are, there are unbelievable problems, that are unsolvable by any means. No words and no reasoning will EVER get the bitches out of their “hamster wheel spiral”…

    It’s like wasting your life energy fighting a ghost or a phantom… Like using a sword to fight the wind.

    C~~~s are so unbelievably stubborn and consistent in their foolish behavior and there is absolutely nothing in this world that can bring some LIGHT TO their head and make them see it when they are doing something wrong.

    And nothing in this world can ever change the direction of a c~~~’s madness.

    I gave up that fight at a very early age. In other words: I had grown into the mindset now known as MGTOW, as a self-protection mechanism to escape the madness and metal decay women cause when you take them seriously.

    It took me until 2014 to put the words “borderline” and “narcissistic disorder” on that “accepted fact”. And it was a relief to read in psychological literature that professionals also give up on these patients…

    So, my way of life is in line with common sense and science.

    And why all that, even now?

    My gold-digger-girlfriends or all women that would ever try to get close to me would start the same insulting bulls~~~ I had to endure as a child and all through my youth.

    And I am not going back to that “childhood stable”. Like married men say: “The plantation”…

    As a child and young boy without income, I had no way to escape or to run off from the c~~~ madness and it was like slavery. I was a slave to endure their s~~~ty and f~~~ed up mindset.

    And their sadism.

    Because c~~~s enjoy it when they make you suffer. That’s the sickest part of them.

    That is why I stayed out of the plantation. The smell of a woman, her presence, even being intimate with her is like the feeling you get when you get invited to a “suspect questioning” at your police station. Even if you don’t have done anything wrong, you still feel uncomfortable about it…

    Women are like the “demon’s eye” above you.

    All of my life, women were like a gigantic biased dictator’s court system that was using “suspicions” and “feelings” as reasons to “prosecute” and “condemn” me.

    Example:

    My sister was incited against our father (by the other 2 c~~~s) and she always yelled at me “that this little bastard will become like his asshole father” and that gave her the reason to kick me in the ass at age 3…
    Getting kicked for wanting to talk to your dad… Like every kid does…

    And the doctor had to sew it.

    Sorry, but the nature of women is done with me.

    This wasn’t a single case of female madness I had to endure or witness…

    You will find the rest of it all over my (by now) thousands of forum posts.

    But: YOUR JOB will get you the valuation and recognition that no c~~~ will ever give you.

    Good men go MGTOW and the BEST men go MONK. Because they get mistreated THE MOST.

    To me, marriage comes close to instant death. Better if you run your almost 6-figure sports-car into a concrete block at 200 Km/h. Less pain and suffering than living with one or even more c~~~s…

    In July of 2018, this honey pot forum was sold out to an unidentified NPC sock puppet and troll organization. Most independent thinkers and writers migrated to other MGTOW forums as a result of the never-ending infighting and deliberate trouble starting caused by members who were given "carte blanche" by the admin to do whatever they want. Before my departure, I only left a few thousand cat pics here to comfort and ridicule the feminist owners who now run this place. Their background agenda is to make MGTOW look like a club of losers the public eye. And during the course of 2019, they actually managed to destroy almost all other MGTOW venues as well. Here is the truth about "theindependentman.org" aka "TIM" which was created as an extended workbench to further divide the community. When you register, they install a spyware Zombie cookie on your browser that does all kinds of things the user does not know of: http://www.filedropper.com/essay-on-the-removal-of-malware-cookies-used-by-tim (.pdf file)

    #368636
    Thisistheguy123
    thisistheguy123
    Participant

    It’s interesting. What they are saying is that “nope feminism was a huge sham, and we realize that now” but it order to go back to the traditional gender roles they now want, what do they need? Men.

    While their points were very true, how are they going to fix it? What’s their plan? Or do they expect us to sweep in and set everything right again, because that’s what we would do it a traditional gender role.

    Traditional gender roles are just excuses for women to be lazy- I myself would buy it a little more if they acknowledged they need to work hard to undo all of this, but so far, that has been escaping them.

    Nice number of upvotes btw.

    Men built this society, so it’s up to fix it, if women want it fixed of course :-p
    We can’t fix the broken system they want broken however.

    …maybe in a year or two they’ll finally have one idea on how to fix it

    #366004

    In reply to: The friend zone.

    Stargazer
    Stargazer
    Participant

    All the friendzone really is is just a woman’s backup plan made up of guys that she puts on the backburner when she finally needs them.

    The friend-zone is another trap to extract resources out of a man, without offering fair value in return.

    What gets me is how willing you guys are to credit women for trapping you and so ready to reject responsibility for walking into said trap.

    Women aren’t that clever. They’re not trapping us, we’re trying to trap THEM. But guys in the so-called “friend zone” just f~~~ed up and got themselves snagged by their own noose.

    Women benefit from thirsty men who refuse to take “no” for an answer but it’s the men who put themselves in the position to be fleeced for their resources in the hopes of getting some meat hole action.

    Wake the f~~~ up and quit laying blame for your own actions on women… if for no other reason than this: You can’t change what women do, you can only change yourself. If you want different results, take different actions.

    #365954

    In reply to: The friend zone.

    Anonymousyam
    anonymousyam
    Participant

    All the friendzone really is is just a woman’s backup plan made up of guys that she puts on the backburner when she finally needs them. Like when she gets rammed and slammed by the assholes and the scumbags over time she will use them for their emotional support (like when the asshole dumps them, cheats on them or even beats them) till she gets older and realizes she needs to settle down and finally she tries to go through the list of guys to see if any of them are beta enough to try to settle down with her.

    So in the end if she gets a chance to marry one of them she will be in a miserable marriage with someguy she uses as a doormat whom she will most likely divorce if she sees the asshole giving her some more attention.

    As a guy who has been in both the friendzone and the s~~~list i recommend getting into her s~~~ list alot more since it is more f~~~ing fun to be in and you really get to f~~~ with their heads.

    Just an east coast asshole who likes to curse, If you get offended by words like fuck, cunt, shit, piss, bitch or any racial slurs then you just scroll down.

    #365941
    Nero
    Nero
    Participant

    Just want to share some info with those still married, those still not convinced marriage is a mistake, and proof to those that did not marry that they made the right choice. Here’s a quick tally of latest experiences:

    – Filed for liberating “D” back in June
    – Snowflake begged for chance to change. I made no guarantees to stay and made agreement for my full space and freedom. Split all assets and separated bank accounts and credit cards
    – Been five months now
    – Did things change? No, not really. Sex was better. She lost weight and looks great but that’s a back door plan for hooking a new beta
    – How was I repaid for this chance? Constant accusations of cheating, lashing out with pettiness and venom like a snake about any and all subjects. The divorce can not possibly be because of her. It has to be some other reason than her s~~~ty behavior and attitude
    – Mutually agreed upon sex has turned into me using her and being cruel, even though we had discussion up front that it was meeting both our needs
    – Few weeks ago I stated I can’t stay married any longer. She said that’s not good enough and it’s over. Time to get things moving
    – The real c~~~ finally came out
    – Refused to use mediator a day before appointment with her
    – Pouring on the shaming language of leaving my kids, because I want to move to another state where the majority of my family is. She won’t let me take son, and then accuses me of leaving him
    – Compares my parents’ faults with me as I now carry the cross of all my relatives’ past mistakes. For example, my dad left my mom when I was one years old. My oldest is almost 19 and my youngest is 16 1/2. Real comparison there. I couldn’t help but call her a retard for that one
    – I can’t leave the house, because it is too f~~~ing expensive to pay on that and rent a place. It must be sold
    – Even if I left it for sanity purposes, I don’t trust her to make payments and get ready to sell properly. Too GD irresponsible for that
    – Accused me of moving to another state to pay less child support, even though its the same f~~~ing percentage of gross income and the salaries are just generally lower
    – I told her that she will be so relieved after divorcing me…silence for several minutes…followed with me telling her she is just angry…more silence
    – Refuses to work with realtor I requested and went apes~~~ on him when he showed up, even though she knew he was coming and agreed
    – I have to endure all this s~~~ because I have a good amount of equity in this house that I could use to really reboot my life somewhere else
    – I will probably have to get an attorney at this point. Sadly, we will waste several thousand dollars to finalize this s~~~

    Gentlemen, never ever f~~~ing get married. JFC!! It could be so much worse. I understand that, but I almost think it would be better if she was a cheating whore that just ran off with a Chad. In fact, I would prefer it. When they don’t want to let you go, you are f~~~ing doomed. Women HATE being dumped, especially when married. It will never be their fault. The social programming and HIVE mentality is strong with the force. So strong, I think they use force powers to get mangina judges to give them everything they want, and everyone around them believing they are always the victim. They make you hate and despise them.

    I could use some MGTOW brother support right now, especially from those who have gone through this s~~~. Thanks!

    #365245
    Maximus Aurelius
    Maximus Aurelius
    Participant

    Good day all…
    I read many of the threads in some of the forums here. I found things that resonated with me… I don’t have a long list of hard luck stories. Although I have had my share of being eff’d over by all kinds. I have had a pretty good life, I’m a former Marine, avionics in a search and rescue unit, Helicopters and corporate jets type stuff. Nothing too tactical. Great start to a career as an Electronics design engineer. Was married for twenty some years, been on my own for about ten. I’m living by most people’s standards, a good life. A few years ago ran into a Marine buddy, former F-18 pilot that inspired me to become a pilot finally. One of the best decisions that validates and challenges me every time I fly. Always been a dream of mine that always got put off due to family and kids.
    Which brings me to a place in life that we all have come to realize. Our true worth and the intolerance for accepting anything less than our own standards demand. Our society and the deception it speaks about of what a “Real Man” is or should be…. It is not defined by said society, or feminism or subcultures, but by each one of us individually. What I have found here at Mgtow, is that as a whole and by each one contributing the same core truths and principles, and walking their own lives accordingly, is how society will get the new definition on men and what how we will participate in Society! I for one choose to help create that new definition. I don’t have the same experiences or view points as some on who women are or what they should be, But I do share the common belief that feminism is a cancer and that the health of our culture and society is worse for it. I have read forums and watched videos from both men and women that see the same effect on society and the detriment feminism and the expectations women have as being a root cause. This site/ forum for most is a good vehicle to voice our thoughts and feelings, and to get affirmation for who we are. But I hope that for every individual here it goes further than that and is their lifestyle and daily walk. I plan to continue to read and watch here, and share when I feel I have something to contribute to one or a group. This site has been an awakening for me. And I hope to encourage anyone else to continue to grow and learn what it is to be a Man in this world. To not back down from your core truths, values and principles. What one man can do, Another can do! Iron sharpens Iron… In Time the infection that ails our culture will be cured.
    For this Man, It starts with me!

    Meditating on the Wisdom & Truths of Man, Isn't just a Philosophy, but a Calling......Be willing to be Called a Man!
    #364107

    In reply to: Here we go again!

    Grumpy
    Grumpy
    Participant

    This is the (Lie-beral) Canadian Government doing what it does best to facilitate more budget cuts to National Defence.
    Yet again.

    Those socialist pansies did this exact s~~~ in 1969, throughout the 1970’s, Again in the 1980’s, and continued to emasculate and eviscerate the Armed Services right up until the Conservatives finally got voted in, and tried to sort the f~~~ing mess those dick sucking liberals made of the ENTIRE nation.
    Thank you Pierre Elliot Trudeau and your f~~~ing retarded and greedy successive sycophants.

    The Forces were the only ” Government employees” to be forced to follow the 6% & 5% pay increase reduction. No pay raises for nearly 10 f~~~ing years, constant budget cuts, yet expected to do what they were demanded to do with nothing. Soldiers literally had to purchase specialty gear for missions themselves out of their meager pay to effectively survive on “missions”.
    They (The f~~~ing eastern Liberals) decimated the entire Armed Forces, amalgamated the Army, Navy, and Air Force, changed the uniforms, cut budgets to the bone. They purposely destroyed the morale and effectiveness, and made the Armed Forces a laughing stock of the world.
    Then they STOLE 12 Billion from the Armed Forces/Federal Public Service pension plan to “balance the federal deficit”. The RCMP and Public service got their money back after a court action. The DND did not, IIRC that was 8 Billion dollars stolen from the CF alone. I survived 3 of their “pension” reforms, all it led to was less pension, and more caveats when you retired honourably.

    Sexual Assault is RAPE
    These f~~~s interpret a single “physical touch” as “Sexual Assault”, regardless of circumstance.
    Imagine being in a fire fight, pushing a female soldier (primarily) to the ground for her safety. Then if you survive the c~~~, regardless of gender, files a sexual assault charge against you.
    Or, you have to physically move a female out of the way to do a life saving job, That is not an exaggeration, it f~~~ing happens.
    I was going to ask whats next? Woman laying “sexual assault” charges when they have to have physical exams done? However that already happens.

    Prior to retiring a decade ago, ALL the medics that I knew that were MEN, refused to treat any female with out at least 2 witnesses (another man and a woman) out of fear of having false allegations laid against them. Every interaction with women needed to have witness just for personal safety issues for men.

    Hurry up and arrive BMOD.
    Did I ever mention that I am not fond of supposed liberals?
    -EDIT-
    Oh and courtesy of these asshole liberals, Veterans are back to having to fight for everything again. The bureaucracy is again hoping we all die off before they have to take care of us.

    There was a time in my life when I gave a fuck. Now you have to pay ME for it

    #363431
    RIP_Patrice
    RIP_Patrice
    Participant

    Coreys description: “The effect a boring beta male who is too nice has on a woman’s attraction & his ability to keep her attracted and interested long-term, vs. a happy alpha male who attracts and keeps women effortlessly.
    In this video coaching newsletter, I discuss an email from a female viewer who was married to her ex-husband for fifteen years. They had two kids together. She says that he was a really nice and sweet man. She describes how his constant need for validation and never feeling like he deserved her, led to her eventually agreeing with him. She says that she never quite understood why she felt like he was more of a brother than a lover to her. She finally decided to listen to her gut and left him. At the time, she could not explain to him why she no longer wanted to be married to him despite his demand for an explanation for the divorce. He was loyal, helpful, nice and a good father. He made the mistake of making her his mommy, therapist and nurse. After finding my work she was able to finally understand why she felt the way she did towards him, and viewed him as another kid to take care of instead of being a teammate, lover, friend and equal. Her email perfectly illustrates from a woman’s point of view the importance and necessity for a man to be a leader, centered, masculine & confident in his relationships to prevent rejection.”

    TLDR: “she didn’t understand why she wanted to divorce her husband of 15 years…. who was a good husband, father and provider”. (As keymaster said)

    All of Corey Wayne’s videos summed up….”You, the male, always need to do more to please the woman. But pretend you’re aloof at the same time”

    #363041
    Ogre
    Ogre
    Participant

    Your English was good enough for me to figure the point of your message. I think it was your thought process that was foreign here. When they are an EX it is for a reason.

    Since you grew up in Europe, compliance and societal needs are virtually programmed into most people in the cooperative and sometimes socialist countries there. It takes a special kind of person or good working over to really get the MGTOW mindset deep down after that kind of indoctrination.

    You don’t owe an ex answers or reasons or even a final go to hell, it’s superfluous garbage.

    No is a complete answer to over 90 percent of questions that a person that doesn’t employ you could ask, no further explanation is required just because they don’t like your answer.

    Making videos for exes is like trying to start up another conversation with somebody that you have already walked away from once.

    Let them hate these forums, and only assist them in any way by making sure that the website is correct in their vitriolic articles, blogs, and social media posts. There is no such thing as bad advertising, and any man that finds his way here will be closer to the truth than they ever have been when allowing media or women to lead them. I don’t have to apologize for MGTOW or myself, let them think what they like.

    I failed to realize in my youth that I was the prize. I was going to work. I was going to earn. Little did I realize that due to feminism, that no longer meant I had to share. Road soon, Desert after.

    #362875

    About 3-4 years ago I was googling my like minded misery because I hate being married and would drink after she went to bed, and I found the greatest thread ever. Comments from married men. I would be glued to the screen and laugh and cry at how truthful it was. Like drunk cry. I would come back to that but would have trouble finding it again because I couldn’t remember what exactly I would google.
    Was it ” I hate my life – Married”
    Or “I hate being f~~~ing married”.
    But I’d eventually find it again and enjoy it all over and have a few good laughs.
    Then I found mgtow this summer and I can’t remember how I got here to be honest. But this website is amazing! I’m usually drunk when I come here, so I must have googled something pretty dark. I know it’s sad and plan to not drink as much when I finally divorce, or just leave all together.

    #362400

    Anonymous

    So. Why?

    1863 a date that lives in infamy, the date our 24/7/365 war machine was established, same thing in Europe with Napolian and the Rothschild profiteering machine, supply guns, soybeans, and bandages to both sides.

    Throw in woman’s suffrage and men loosing their Sir name rights to his property “the children” in the “contract” of marriage and everything went to hell, along with female cooperation in maintaining the family and its tiny empire of wealth, perhaps what they call the “Patriarchy”, a time when the man was considered the property marker of the family, the center of the family, the spike that holds the family together as a viable unit to build a prosperous and civil society. The woman couldn’t pull the ejection seat any time she wanted and destroy the entire family, now they can and do exactly that!

    They destroy the family, pass all its wealth to the coffers of government, and render the man obsolete for any purpose whatsoever regarding the family, he is placed in legal restraints and ordered by the gynoclusterf~~~ state into bondage to support both the woman and the state.

    The children of this unholy matrimony of woman and state are the worst generation of human beings ever have to existed, they murder each other at alarming rates that are smothered out and not reported in the gynocentric media, all the death and destruction is attributed directly to this partnership of woman and state monolithic hive set out to annihilate the “patriarchy” or shall we simply say the family.

    Congratulations Matriarchy, You’ve stolen the family!

    I love what you’ve done to the place!

    Your works of iniquity are truly beyond atrocious!

    I hear you’re the most miserable form of female to walk the planet in your current state of depravity, gee that’s too bad, I finally got a real good overture on the past 150 years and must say I’m really glad I reserved myself and preserved myself as the essence of man.

    I clearly see and comprehend corruption of my ordained position as head of the family, while in fact and to the letter of the law I’ve been betrayed and made chief of the family pets and nothing more, you’ve made my position top dog among the cats and dogs, you made me nothing more than an animal in this modern arrangement of governmental matrimony where the man has a collar and a leash.

    I have only one thing to say to you and that’s a whole heart deep in the soul F~~~ OFF AND DIE! AND TAKE YOUR UNHOLY ALLIANCE WITH YOUR GOD DAMNED GOVERNMENT WITH YOU!

    FINAL DECREE, CASE CLOSED! Thou shalt F~~~ OFF AND DIE!

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