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So I have this coworker that I thought was a friend. One morning in the locker room, he proceeded to ask me how things were going and if I had completed all of my Christmas shopping. Here’s how the conversation went…
Me: Hey, how’s it going?
Coworker: Good, how about you? Finished with your Christmas shopping?
Me: Things are great. Yes, but I didn’t have to do much Christmas shopping this year.
Coworker: No lady in your life right now?
Me: No, but that decision is my own. I enjoy being single.
Coworker: Man, I spent over a thousand dollars on my girlfriend this year…(Coworker then names a bunch of expensive female gifts).
Me: Wow, that’s a lot…Do you think she spent the same?
Coworker: I don’t know, but she’s a good girl.
Me: Did you spend that much last year?
Coworker: Yeah, I did.
Me: What did she get you last year?
Coworker: *Silence*
Me: Doesn’t sound fair to me, bro.That was the end of the conversation. Fast forward a week later and it was the same coworkers birthday. I saw him in the locker room again and say, “hey man, happy birthday”. He ignored me and it was obvious that he did so intentionally because I spoke loud and clear. I then repeated myself, only a bit louder, “HAPPY BIRTHDAY”. He then said thanks, engaged in a short B.S. convo and that was the end. Fast forward to today, same coworker posted an article on social media. I made a comment, neutral in nature, and he deleted it even though others had made similar comments with no such action.
This brings me to my question. How has MGTOW affected your relationships with your friends? Do your views change those relationships? Have said friendships ended? What is the best way you have learned to address these situations? Obviously I feel bad for the poor fool who spent over a grand on his girlfriend who won’t receive the same treatment and it’s kinda hard to not make a comment about it.
Anonymous18Mgtow is for me.
My friends are getting (have gotten) married and part of me wishes them best in their journey.
Neither its my job nor I care frankly.
The uphill battle red pill rage can be – it is equivalent to challenging someone’s deep-rooted sense of being. Especially for a man with a woman in his life.
I do the next best thing. Make them a subject of my working hypothesis. I presume their informed consent when they enrolled in marriage/LTRs. Me taking some guilty pleasure of their inevitable misery to satisfy my working hypothesis is balanced out by me tolerating the woman in their life. And some of these ladies can be extremely boring and annoying.
Anonymous0So I have this coworker that I thought was a friend. One morning in the locker room, he proceeded to ask me how things were going and if I had completed all of my Christmas shopping. Here’s how the conversation went…
I’m laughing at the conversation and I’m agreeing with you. I thought you provided an excellent comeback.
But at the same time, I gotta say: Yes that kind of comeback is going to lose you some friends. Your friend didn’t give you any s~~~ about being single, but you gave him s~~~ about having a girlfriend. People don’t like taking s~~~ about that.
Some MGTOW people will say that all MGTOW ought to be vocal about their MGTOW beliefs and educate blue pillers. But I’m with NFG, above. If you want to keep your friends, you have to go stealth. You can’t always be pointing out to your friends how their girlfriends and wives are ripping them off. If you do that all the time, they’re going to drop you. If you want to keep your friends, you have to learn to live and let live.
Not arguing. Just sayin’.
Sadly you will lose some friends…they will consider you arrogant and not be able to tolerate the fact you no longer share their illusion. And if they are coupled with a c~~~ she will be machinating against you behind your back at every turn.
A man seeing reality and going his own way has costs (don’t I know it) but in the end the price of buying back into the blue pill illusion just to keep friends is too high.
I agree that going stealth is the best way. I’m a very social person, but the few times I’ve mentioned to my friends that I’m not interested in dating anymore, I’ve gotten some pretty cold shoulders. So now I keep my MGTOW cards close to my chest. If they bring up women’s nature, first, then fine, we’ll talk a bit.
I am lucky in that a buddy of mine asked me this summer if I’ve ever heard of this thing called “MGTOW.” Since he disclosed his interest in it first, then I felt OK opening up to him about it.
Anonymous0I think it’s possible to educate people about MGTOW without “making it personal.” You know, admit that you’re single and just talk about how being single has its advantages.
But the OP kind of “made it personal” by implying that the friend was a dope for spending all that money on his girlfriend. And when you “make it personal,” that’s when you’re going to lose friends.
But just to reiterate: I enjoyed the OP. I enjoyed the in-your-face quality of the conversation. But I’m just saying, it’s going to drive some friends away.
Thanks for the advice guys. To be honest, if a so called friend is going to act that way over a minor comment such as the one I made they’re not worth being a friend. I guess I’ll just remain stealth, but I’m also the type of person who would rather know the truth than be blinded by a false reality.
It is EXTREMELY important to keep your work and personal life 100% separate. If you p~~~ off a friend, that’s one thing. But if you p~~~ off a co-worker, then that can cause PRACTICAL problems for you (Read: $$$).
I run my own business and I would NEVER bring up anything personal. People are way too easily offended these days, and I don’t want to lose a customer (Read: $$$) because they get butthurt. If a customer tries to bring up something personal, I’m always neutral.
If politics come up, I just say that I don’t like either candidate but you’ve gotta choose who you think is the lesser of two evils. If women come up, I just agree with everything they say, but I do NOT mention that I NEVER intend to be with a woman as that can cause confusion, resentment, and general butthurt-ness.
My goal in life is to keep my affairs to myself. If you want to call that “stealth” then be my guest. I just call it “the smart/obvious thing to do.” If I were to bring up MGTOW in real life, I’d make sure to do it with a friend that can’t hurt me in any practical sense (Read: NOT work or business related). If the friend got butthurt, no big deal. Just tell ’em to f~~~ off and go find a better friend.
Anonymous0Could be that by the time your friend’s birthday rolled around she had already delivered the “I’m not happy” speech. After all this is the time for her to set up the breakup right after the holidays when she runs off with all the cash and prizes.
It is EXTREMELY important to keep your work and personal life 100% separate. If you p~~~ off a friend, that’s one thing. But if you p~~~ off a co-worker, then that can cause PRACTICAL problems for you (Read: $$$).
I run my own business and I would NEVER bring up anything personal. People are way too easily offended these days, and I don’t want to lose a customer (Read: $$$) because they get butthurt. If a customer tries to bring up something personal, I’m always neutral.
If politics come up, I just say that I don’t like either candidate but you’ve gotta choose who you think is the lesser of two evils. If women come up, I just agree with everything they say, but I do NOT mention that I NEVER intend to be with a woman as that can cause confusion, resentment, and general butthurt-ness.
My goal in life is to keep my affairs to myself. If you want to call that “stealth” then be my guest. I just call it “the smart/obvious thing to do.” If I were to bring up MGTOW in real life, I’d make sure to do it with a friend that can’t hurt me in any practical sense (Read: NOT work or business related). If the friend got butthurt, no big deal. Just tell ’em to f~~~ off and go find a better friend.
You bring up a good point, but my form of employment isn’t customer based. Either way, I’m confident that him getting his mangina in a twist isn’t going to effect my work experience.
Work,well I do that alone so no prob there and as for my friends they are that because they could care less if I’m single,some even know I like the company of a fine escort now and then but still they don’t judge because they are my friends.
Lifes a bitch,but you don't have to marry one!
I couldnt agree with you more. He is a sucker for doing what he is doing and he will pay dearly for it. Sounds like that dude is suffering from blue pill poisoning. You cant reason with men in that delusional state. I also agree with the other brothers, keep MGTOW to yourself and out of the workplace, as it really is your own personal journey. If you see a brother in need try to help him, but outside of that theres no point in risking your job over some blue piller, mangina, or fem nazi.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout "save us!"....... and i'll look down and whisper "No."
Yeah, I made the same mistake of mentioning my MGTOW views in the past but ever since and from now on I’m gonna keep my mouth shut about it. They want to throw themselves into the fire then it’s their problem. It’s gonna suck to watch them burn but better them than me. If they ever come to me for advice about it now I’m just gonna clam up and when they’re not looking I’ll have a giant smirk on my face, like an inside joke. When they’re ready I’ll help but not a second before.
I, Lelouch Vi Britannia, command you, all of you, to Go Your Own Way!!
It cost me a relationship with my ex gf. But that wasn’t much of a loss now was it?
I have discovered a truly remarkable list of reasons why women are not necessary for a happy life, but alas this margin is too small to contain it.
That’s normal and I have a few stories like that. The most recent one (with an utter blue pill newly married asshole I have known for years ) went like this….
“Haven’t seen you in a while! Guess what, my wife is expecting!”
( silent nod )
“PSST, you’re line is …. CONGRATULATIONS!!”
“I’m …. sorry…. I…. don’t congratulate people for having unprotected sex. But I tell you what. When the kid has a 21st birthday and she didn’t become a stripper, or he didn’t become a tranny crack head, THEN I will wish you congratulations on your good parenting.”
This brings me to my question. How has MGTOW affected your relationships with your friends?
I’ve always been “red pill” for the most part, but as guilty as anyone for certain blue-pill behaviors. Most people LIKED me for it. It’s why I had the friends (and even girlfriends) I did. In fact, maybe it’s my delivery, but it comes out “funny” and makes them laugh in a “you can’t be serious” kind of way.
I remember my best friend (100% blue pill) once shaking his head saying “The world according to Keymaster”…. but really, I was just speaking the truth.
Over time, he learned the same truths and he became less condescending and jabbed less. He invited me to his wedding, and I didn’t go and told him WHY. Within 4 months, his new bride was swinging from a tattooed biker dick. I just listened like a good friend should.
Occasionally/rarely, it can get heated and ugly, but they don’t win.
Once I was “shamed” at a dinner party for not being married yet, and another long time friend was REALLY pushing my limit. He wanted to sucker me into a political debate and I refused to engage. I finally said “OK if you must know, I’m republican on some things, and democrat on others. Satisfied?”
“Democrat on what?”
“Like marriage. Marriage is for gays.”
It was like pulling the pin on a hand grenade and leaving a mushroom cloud behind. I just continued with my dessert and tried to hold back the laughter.
Do your views change those relationships?
I don’t think of them as “views”.
But my “views” have also MADE valuable friends.
Have said friendships ended?
Yes. Two. But really, I don’t care. They weren’t my “friends” like others who still contact and wish me happy birthday after 20 years. I prefer those friends anyway. If you can really be yourself and have one or two friends in this world…. you’re doing very well.
What is the best way you have learned to address these situations?
Internalize it until it’s necessary to nuke them.
“A jedi uses the force for knowledge and defense. Never for attack.”
– YODAObviously I feel bad for the poor fool who spent over a grand on his girlfriend who won’t receive the same treatment and it’s kinda hard to not make a comment about it.
I watched a video a couple of days ago — entitled something like “puppy proposal” — where this guy staged an elaborate proposal and finished it off by giving her a white puppy at the end. He was leading her around and she was the center of attention while others video-ed it with their phones.
It was like he was a game show host and lavishing her in prizes. She was crying and screaming “OMG!!” and it was a great big theatrical production designed to make her so overwhelmingly happy , she was screaming and gushing with tears.
As I watched this spectacle he put on – meticulously planning and rehearsing every last detail in advance – I wondered if she would EVER make such efforts to try and generate they same reaction from him.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.Blue pill men living in the Matrix can’t handle the truth !!
Maybe, someday, they will pop a red pill or two and become awakened, but until then, they just won’t get it !!
In a World of Justin Beibers Be a Johnny Cash
I wondered if she would EVER make such efforts to try and generate they same reaction from him.
Her efforts will be only to p~~~ him off. Because that would tell her he is invested in the relationship and, therefore, make her happy for a short time.
When women lead, destruction is the destination. -- Me.
There are always going to be some people who see truth or at least the truth of a situation and will actively reject it. This is why we have SJWs, much less the stray mangina coworker who broods about having the guise of “equality” in his relationship being torn away to show the festering wound underneath.
How has MGTOW affected your relationships with your friends?
I gave myself a “people I can count on one hand” limit for the knowledge and told 5, which includes my own father and my two closest friends; one of whom is married and the other of whom is gay.
Ironically, it is the married and gay men in my life who are most understanding of my decision and saw immediately why I was choosing to make it (“Good for you; there’s way too much crazy out there and you shouldn’t be sticking your dick in it” ~ My Dad, 2016).
Do your views change those relationships?
Not really. I’ve long suspected both my married friend and father have been stealth red pill.
As for the queer (suck it, SJWs, he prefers queer — endless fun at parties), I think we’re actually better for it because he’s long seen the matrix and admitted that he worried I’d do what every straight blue pill does: settle for a woman who doesn’t really love me and drift away. We’ve known each other over a decade now and watched it happen with numerous mutual friends; was a good talk to come clean about how f~~~ed that whole process is with someone.
Have said friendships ended?
Sort of. A female quasi-friend (bit of history there from my whoring blue pill days) I didn’t actually tell was at a get-together at another mate’s house just a couple weeks back and we were making small talk when it took a weird turn. I got flat out triggered by a pet peeve that she’s often guilty of, namely her using “think of the wymym!” to garner sympathy for when things inconvenience her.
“I’m really worried about Trump.” (She knows I voted for him and is a hardcore “my body, my choice” chick)
“Because he’ll win so much that we’ll get sick of it? Me, too.”
*begrudging laugh* “No, because of healthcare.”
“Oh?”
“My birth control used to be $70 a month and it’s free now.” (I wish this was a f~~~ing joke)
“…”
“I’m not sure how I can afford that after a repeal.” (She’s a CPA who owns her own house and a side business)
“…”
“I know it’s hard for you to understand…”
*disapproving look* “…”
“… but, think of how many women this is going to negatively affect.”
*long pause until she looks uncomfortable* “Ohhhh, I see why you’re confused; see, my premiums have increased more than double your birth control. All that’s happening is instead of me paying for two sluts, you and whatever other girl I’m covering are going to take your share back.”
“… what?”
“Everyone else in the country has seen premiums skyrocket while you’ve coasted. Look, we haven’t f~~~ed in years, I’m still covering your pills, and you’re whining about having to pay for your own s~~~. How about we go ahead and sign a prenup, get hitched, and make this a regular thing?”
“F~~~ you, WDR, this is serious!”Devolves into us sniping each other from there. Yeah, it’s a weird friendship, but we talk a lot less since that night; never really dug my heels in on her before and surprise, surprise, she hated it.
What is the best way you have learned to address these situations?
I don’t know about the “best” way, but outside these forums I’m a sarcastic, brooding, stubborn, irreverent motherf~~~er and that’s how I’ve come to grapple socially with these issues.
That hasn’t changed, but I will say no one at work knows about my personal life beyond just enough vague basics to keep them from prying further and, of my friends, I’m at a point where I’m alright with being open and allowing them to purge themselves if they have a problem with it.
"Almost the main work of life is to come out of our selves, out of the little dark prison we are all born in... The danger is that of coming to love the prison." ~ C.S. Lewis
No idea why people “go stealth”.
I’m openly and blatantly mgtow – have been as far as I can think back.
In the 90s I used to run around with Al Bundys ‘No MA’AM’ shirt.
I’m blunt and I tell anybody who asks about my mgtow philosophy.
I’m an “alpha male” and have women of all ages approach me in all sorts of situations. When I enter a room I can smell fish …
But once they talk to me their opinion changes quickly because they realize that I know whats up and I’m not part of the hivemind.@the OP:
your coworker is not required to talk to you.
And stop using facebook! You’re not a woman.Monk
@meister: I think, at least in the case of my father and friend, they came to choose the red pill after they were already married.
They’re not unhappy, so I can sort of see the sense in riding it out. Again, not something I’ll ever be doing myself, but I understand the logic of going underground red pill if you’ve already agreed to marriage.
Just because the overwhelming majority of women don’t respect the sanctity of the commitment doesn’t mean men should start following suit, right?
"Almost the main work of life is to come out of our selves, out of the little dark prison we are all born in... The danger is that of coming to love the prison." ~ C.S. Lewis
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