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  • #479073
    Gnostic
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    Ah, the lies and betrayal of “Red Pill Women” is what that drove the final nail in my blue pill coffin and make my first post on MGTOW.

    I thought Christina Hoff Sommers is one Unicorn until I see that she join up with 16 other feminist to get a man fired, she does not practice what she preached regarding due process and innocent until proven guilty.

    16 Feminists Who Have Taken Over “Conservative” Media

    Then the video evidence come out. When confronted why she put down her signature and ask about the video, she double down and on things not related to the incident and why should the man be fired. I would still believe her if she apologize that she make a mistake by being too hasty. But to double down like that remove all doubt of her character.

    After that I am wary of “Red Pill Women”. They will show their true colors with the situation arise.
    Here is a video of a bunch of “Red Pill Women” bashing MGTOW. It is all the usual shaming tactic. The original video is hidden when they realize it is just MGTOW promotion material, but some dumb bitch still keep a copy of the video here.

    There is also a bitch call Kate Andrews. I use to see her video debating about the wedge gap. I thought her quite intelligent that time, but then when Trump rise in popularity she is going with the Trump hate women bulls~~~. Where her intelligence go? Is she the same women?

    “Red Pill Women” just sweet talk to get move slaves back to the plantation. However when real change come to improve men condition they will try to beat it down for their own advantage.

    There is no magic in MGTOW, just recognition of the truth and logical decision how to avoid dangers. The red pill is but the truth, it is no magical potion. Do not think in this modern world men have no longer have natural enemies, men are prey to women and government.


    Anonymous

    But they were not ready man! now, after several c~~~s, they finally are ready for you and me! why are we so evil and won’t give them a chance? we are really bad people, shame on us!

    We should feel blessed for having post wall skanks wondering where we have gone, I guess it is finally time to get back to the plantation.

    I feel like joking too much lately, seriously, listen to this bro:

    Haha, that is hilarious. The only thing I’m skeptical about is pumping and dumping 19 -20 year olds. You could get a false rape allegation or you could be having sex with a chick that’s already knocked up. All she has to do is put your name down when the baby is born and your on the hook for 18 years. Maybe I’ll risk it when I’m 38 though. 🙂

    #478300
    53ClicksUp
    53ClicksUp
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    Welcome to the fold Brother! I am sorry that you didn’t get your day in court the way you should have. I used to be a nice guy too, but got tired of being taken advantage of by others, especially women. Now, I simply just don’t bother with anyone except those men left in the world, that share my political beliefs and interests. I find these “real men” (and good hunting dogs of course) are the only creatures on planet earth one can rely on.

    If I’m struggling with some major project, like doing an engine swap on a car, moving a sailboat 140 miles down the coast, trouble shooting a bad magneto on an airplane engine, I don’t have to ask these other guys for help….they just step up and offer it. I in turn, always make myself available to them when they need a helping hand. These are the kind of guys that may or may not be MGTOW, but they are still men and they live what I simple refer to as “The Code”. The Code may exist outside or within MGTOW, but I do not believe it is in conflict with MGTOW. These men are simply what a lot of us refer to as “stand-up guys”.

    I feel your pain when it comes to the kids being taken away from you. After my divorce I got “visitation” with my adolescent son, but it didn’t mean s~~~! The ex simply moved 250 miles away and that was the end of my regular contact with my son. He is now struggling in school and has become one of those teenage zeros that won’t bother with even getting a driver’s license, get up in the morning to go to class, or attend a high school dance when a nice girl asks him out. I am powerless to influence the situation in any meaningful way. His mother has no interest in raising him, just keeps him in his zombie state supplied with an endless quantity of computer games to keep him trapped in her house so that she can continue to collect child support from me.

    The family court system and laws are stacked against men and women use “the system” to their full advantage. If I may, I would like to share a somewhat related story with you.

    A few years back, I became aware of a couple of middle aged black women living together in my neighborhood, that took in a teenage boy as a foster child. I thought to myself,… “Well damned if that isn’t a selfless act for a couple of women to do.” I interacted with this kid on a regular basis over a couple of years. He was smart, athletic, and had his s~~~ together. He impressed me with his attitude and work ethic. He didn’t have a criminal thought or bad bone in his body.

    Over time, I noticed that those two fat assed black women started to use him like slave labor. The kid was put to work in the yard and was constantly fixing the exterior of the house or washing, vacuuming, and waxing their two newly acquired high-end cars. I also noticed that these women were dressed a lot snazzier than they used to be too. So within a few months the two women had new cars, new clothes, got even fatter and had one of the best looking houses and yards in the neighborhood. Then after a couple of years it all fell apart.

    I routinely crossed paths with the kid while walking my dog and always asked how he was doing and usually he was OK. But then one day he told me that his “aunts” as he called them, would not let him play football anymore. I asked why, and he told me the women said that it was taking up too much of “their time” driving him to practice and games. I felt real bad for the kid and wanted to offer to help, but didn’t feel like it was any of my business to intervene. A couple of months later the kid ran away 5 times was caught and returned home by the cops. The kid then finally disappeared all together. I guess he just got tired of being worked like a dog and when they took his only outlet “football” away from him he decided “F~~~ This!”

    A fascinating transition then took place over the succeeding year at the house. The two new cars disappeared to be replaced with older used ones. The clothes became plainer and the house and the yard went to total s~~~. Only then, did I realize that these women didn’t care at all about this kid. They were simply using him as free labor and to get money from the state to finance a new upgraded life style. Apparently being too fat and ugly to get any man to copulate with them and produce a child that way, they opted to go to the government and get a free foster kid as a source of income. When the kid disappeared so did the money.

    Women use men….they use the system…and don’t give a s~~~ about anybody but themselves. F~~~ em!

    #478213

    Anonymous

    Zoning.

    The wonders of Zoning and a master plan.

    Some plans aren’t what you call “ethical” while others “yours truly” are not only illegal but criminal.

    I live in the Criminal Zone “letter of the law”.

    Zoning a man out of his property rights by weaponizing the law to hurt and destroy him without redress or hearing is a great way to get a bulldozer shoved up your ass!

    I’m waiting out the drama here in B.C.F.C. when this place finally coughs up a dead body, I wanna see what happens when someone tries to sue a Massachusetts condemned family campground.

    It’s why I stopped paying taxes, only a fool pays criminals to run the show!

    I’m just a legal drifter landlocked into this legal conundrum and held lawfully under Zoning chief executive CEASE AND DESIST.

    When the republic dies for one it dies for all.

    This Republic is diseased, has been since January 10th, 1974.

    Another good example of weaponized law is the family court and women in general.

    50+ years of all out war on the spirit of man including the foundation of this world we created and the rules that governed it.

    Now after women have initiated their “master plan”, f~~~ed this society to kingdom cum, they’re getting MGTOW and it’s radical new philosophy shoved up their ass!

    All spawned by the tried and true SPIRIT OF MAN to adapt and overcome all adversity no matter the form, just that for now women have assumed that form.

    They’re f~~~ing TOAST!


    Anonymous

    Yep, that’s me! Except, neckbeard probably doesn’t describe me. That conjures up an image of a fat slob who doesn’t shower for weeks at a time living in his parent’s basement. Nope. I’m actually a dude who does some pretty intense physical exercise. I squat, deadlift, and bench press 3x a week, and am thinking about adding some more cardio to my workout to train for some marathons. I’m a skinny dude but I’ve gained about 10 pounds of muscle in the last year or so. Nobody looks at me and thinks “this guy’s a neckbeard loser!”

    Sorry to disappoint those feminists, but I am above their stereotype in every way imaginable. I am too good for them, and they can’t f~~~ing stand it. Sorry bitches, but the truth hurts. I am everything that you want in a guy, and you can’t have me. You had your chance, and you missed it.

    But they were not ready man! now, after several c~~~s, they finally are ready for you and me! why are we so evil and won’t give them a chance? we are really bad people, shame on us!

    We should feel blessed for having post wall skanks wondering where we have gone, I guess it is finally time to get back to the plantation.

    I feel like joking too much lately, seriously, listen to this bro:

    When I heard this the first time, all of a sudden everything was clear.
    Enjoy your money and freedom bro, we are on the winning side right now.

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    Sir Nicholas Winton, “Saving the Children”
    May 19 1909 – July 1 2015

    Sir Nicholas Winton, who passed away in 2015, aged 106, saved the lives of 669 children, most of them Jewish, from Nazi-occupied Czechoslovakia in 1939; but his achievement long went unrecognised and for 50 years few of the children knew their saviour’s name. He is dubbed the British Schindler for his work.

    ​Sir Winton’s heroic wartime activity emerged in 1988 when the story, based on the contents of a scrapbook containing lists of the children and letters from their parents, was published in The Sunday Mirror. Winton had previously said little about his rescue mission.

    Sir Nicholas Winton was born Nicholas Wertheim in West Hampstead on May 19 1909, the son of a businessman involved in importing Bohemian glassware. His paternal grandparents, who were German Jews, had settled in Britain in the 1860s. His mother had arrived from Germany in 1907. They changed their name to Winton in 1938.

    Nicholas was baptised and brought up a Christian and, although he lost his faith, he was always ambivalent about his Jewish ancestry, feeling that too much conflict was caused by religions dwelling on their differences rather than on shared ethics.

    “When I set out to try and bring children from Czechoslovakia,” he said later, “I didn’t do it because they were Jewish children. I did it because they were children.”

    ​​His role as “Britain’s Schindler” began shortly before Christmas 1938, when a skiing holiday he had been planning had fallen through and he was invited to visit Prague by a Left-wing schoolmaster friend, who suggested that Sir Winton join him in “a most interesting assignment”.

    Prague at the time was home to most of the 118,000 Jews in the Czech-speaking area of Czechoslovakia, and the city was in the grip of a refugee crisis. Nazi troops had occupied the Sudetenland, and thousands of Jews from the region were pouring into Prague.

    When Sir Winton arrived, British relief workers asked him to lend a hand. He found vast camps of refugees living in appalling conditions. He spent only a couple of months in Prague but became alarmed for the future of the children in the camps, for whom nothing seemed to be being done.

    The pogroms of Kristallnacht, the “Night of Broken Glass,” had recently struck Jewish shops, homes and synagogues in Germany and Austria. War looked inevitable, and escape, especially for children, seemed hopeless, given the restrictions against Jewish immigration in the West.

    Britain, however, was an exception. In late 1938, it began a program, called Kindertransport, to admit unaccompanied Jewish children up to age 17 if they had a host family, with the offer of a 50-pound warranty for an eventual return ticket.

    The Refugee Children’s Movement in Britain sent representatives to Germany and Austria, and 10,000 Jewish children were saved before the war began. But there was no comparable mass-rescue effort in Czechoslovakia. Sir Winton created one.

    On his own initiative, he set up an office at a dining-room table in his hotel in Wenceslas Square, and early in 1939 launched the Czech Kindertransport. It involved dangers, bribes, forgery, secret contacts with the Gestapo, nine railroad trains, an avalanche of paperwork and a lot of money. Nazi agents started following him.

    In his Prague hotel room, he met terrified parents desperate to get their children to safety, although it meant surrendering them to strangers in a foreign land.

    In three weeks, Sir Winton compiled a list of 6,000 children who would face almost certain death under the Nazis, and established a group of sympathisers to arrange their transportation from Czechoslovakia.

    In early 1939, he left two friends, Trevor Chadwick and Bill Barazetti, in charge in Prague and returned to London to find foster homes, raise money and arrange transportation.

    Back in London, Sir Winton worked by day at the Stock Exchange and at night returned to a small room in Hampstead that had become his operations centre.

    He and a few volunteers, including his mother, calling themselves the British Committee for Refugees from Czechoslovakia, Children’s Section, enlisted aid from the Refugee Children’s Movement, had photos of the children printed and appealed for funds and foster homes in newspaper ads and church and synagogue bulletins.

    Working as the British Committee for Refugees from Czechoslovakia and with the Czechoslovak travel agency Cedok, he arranged transport and lobbied western governments to accept the children. Only Britain and Sweden agreed, and then somewhat grudgingly.

    For each child Sir Winton had to find a foster parent and a £50 guarantee, a lot of money in those days. He also had to raise money to help pay the travel costs when the children’s parents could not afford to pay.

    “I appointed myself honorary secretary of the British Council for Refugees from Czechoslovakia and advertised for families in Picture Post,” Sir Winton recalled. “I wouldn’t say the council was very happy with its new arm, but there wasn’t much they could do about it. Eventually they gave me a small amount of funding, but not until it was really too late.”

    Hundreds of British families volunteered to take children, and money trickled in from donors — not enough to cover all the costs, but Sir Winton made up the difference himself.

    When the Nazis extended their control to the whole of Czechoslovakia in March 1939, Sir Winton became so desperate at Home Office delays in issuing entry papers that he resorted to forgery. He had appealed to the Home Office for entry visas, but the response was slow and time was short. “This was a few months before the war broke out,” he recalled. “So we forged the Home Office entry permits.

    In Prague, Mr. Chadwick quietly cultivated the chief of the Gestapo, Karl Bömelburg — they called him “the criminal rat” after his inspector’s rank of kriminalrat — and arranged for forged transit papers and bribes to be passed to key Nazis and Czech railway officials, who threatened to halt trains or seize the children unless they were paid off. The Gestapo chief proved instrumental, clearing the trains and transit papers, Mr. Chadwick said.

    Sir Winton sent more money, some for bribes and some to cover expenses for children whose parents had been arrested and shot or had fled into hiding, while many of the Czech families sold possessions to pay for their children’s escape. The red tape and paperwork seemed endless.

    But on March 14, 1939, it all came together. Hours before Hitler dismembered the Czech provinces of Bohemia and Moravia as a German “Protectorate,” the first 20 children left Prague on a train. Survivors told of searing scenes on the station platform in the final moments before departure as children sobbed and pleaded not to be sent away and parents faced giving up their children.

    Sir Winton and his colleagues later arranged for eight more trains to get the rest of the children out, crossing the Third Reich through Nuremberg and Cologne to the Hook of Holland, then across the North Sea by boat to Harwich, Essex, and on by British rail to the Liverpool Street Station in London. There, he and the host families met the children. Each refugee had a small bag and wore a name tag.

    But only seven of the eight trains made it through, the last in early August, bringing the total rescued to 669. About 250 children, the largest group, were on board the last train out, on Sept. 3, 1939.

    On that day, however, Hitler invaded Poland, all borders controlled by Germany were closed and Sir Winton’s rescue efforts came to an end.

    The ninth train — the biggest transport — had been due to leave Prague on the day on which Britain entered the war. “Within hours of the announcement, the train disappeared,” Sir Winton recalled. “None of the 250 children on board was heard of again, which is an awful feeling.”

    In the nine months of relentless campaigning, he and his small group of volunteers had arranged for 669 children to get out on eight trains from Prague to London (a small group of 15 were flown out via Sweden). As the exhausted children arrived at Liverpool Street station to be collected by their English foster parents, Sir Winton watched from a distance.

    “Inside I was cheering like a football match, but outwardly I was calm and quiet,” he recalled. “I knew that for every Jewish child safely deposited on the platform that day, there were hundreds more still trapped in Czechoslovakia. And I knew that because I was organising this emigration entirely on my own, I wouldn’t be able to bring out a fraction of those in such terrible danger.”

    The importance of the Kindertransports became clear after the war when it emerged that few of the children’s parents had survived.

    Those who owed their lives to Sir Winton included the writer Vera Gissing (who went on to co-write Winton’s biography), Karel Reisz, the film-maker who directed The French Lieutenant’s Woman, Lord (Alf) Dubs, the Labour politician, and Dagmar Simova, cousin of the Czech-born former US Secretary of State Madeleine Albright.

      Sir Winton and some of his children at a reunion.

    You can read his full biography in the citation list

    Forgotten Heroes

    Doreen Warriner

    The key figure in the rescue of refugees from Czechoslovakia was Doreen Warriner, a young academic from University College London, who arrived in Prague in October 1938, soon after Munich, to provide assistance for those who had fled there from the German-occupied Sudetenland and, if possible, to bring them to safety.

    Warriner was mainly concerned with political refugees, especially anti-Nazis from the Sudetenland, mostly Social Democrats under the leadership of Wenzel Jaksch; she did not focus on Jews, though many of the people she rescued were Jewish, and she did not focus on children, though in bringing out the families of anti-Nazis she also saved children’s lives.

    It was Warriner who underpinned the rescue organisation in Prague. She established and headed up the office on Voršilská Street, where the other rescuers, including Winton, worked, and where the trains that took refugees across the border to Poland were organised; and she recommended Winton to the BCRC, thus making it possible for him to create his children’s section of the BCRC when he returned to London.

    Warriner stayed in Prague until April 1939, when it became too dangerous for her. She had been smuggling anti-Nazis illegally across the border into Poland, and the Gestapo were about to arrest her. The number of people Warriner saved ran into the thousands.

    One of her most memorable exploits was, with two helpers, to guide two groups of endangered women and children from Prague’s railway stations to safe accommodation in cheap hotels and hostels, and this on the day after the German army entered Prague, when the streets were filled with German military units.

    Trevor Chadwick

    Winton left Prague on 21 January 1939 and could play no part in the organisation of the refugee transports at the Czech end. Fortunately, a replacement was at hand, in the person of Trevor Chadwick, a teacher at a school in Swanage, Dorset, who had come to Prague to bring two refugee boys to places at the school.

    In the event, they also took a third child – Chadwick’s mother provided the guarantee – and she became the poet Gerda Mayer, whose lines grace, among other publications, the book that accompanied the AJR’s exhibition Continental Britons (2002).

    Chadwick delivered the three children, then returned to Prague to work for the rescue of further refugees. According to the recently published and very informative book by his son, William Chadwick, The Rescue of the Prague Refugees 1938/39 (Leicester: Matador, 2010), he had thousands of refugees on his lists, but to his abiding regret could ‘only’ save hundreds.

    Chadwick made the organisational arrangements in Prague for the children whose entry to Britain had been secured by Winton in London. Working with Warriner, he was involved in the selection of the children to emigrate and in the organisation of the trains that took them to Britain.

    It was he who stood on the platform at Wilson Station.

    Warriner and Chadwick both died in the 1970’s. This tribute is intended to help to bring the role they played in the rescue of the children from Czechoslovakia to public attention. It is certainly not intended to detract in any way from the achievements of Nicholas Winton.

    Recognition and Closure

    This is the ’60 minutes’ TV programme interview of Winton’s work and the surprise reunion with some of ‘his children’ (run time 15min)

    The publicity led to Sir Winton’s being showered with honours.

    In Czechoslovakia he was awarded the Freedom of the City of Prague in 1991, and in October 1998 Vaclav Havel, President of the Czech Republic, awarded him the Order of TG Marsaryk in a ceremony in Hradcany Castle.

    In 2001, at President Havel’s invitation, Sir Winton returned to Prague for the premiere of The Power of Good, a Czech-produced documentary about his story. In October 2014 he received the Order of the White Lion from President Milos Zeman in a ceremony at Prague Castle.

    In Britain Winton received, in 1999, the freedom of the city of Windsor, an honour he shared only with members of the Royal family; and he was knighted in 2003.

    When a biography, Nicholas Sir Winton and the Rescued Generation by Vera Gissing and Muriel Emanuel, was published in 2001, he said: “It was only nine months out of my 92 years and yet this book makes it seem it was my whole life.”

    In 2014 his daughter Barbara Winton published an account:
    If it’s Not Impossible… The Life of Sir Nicholas Winton.

    Sir Nicholas Winton is survived by a son and a daughter. His wife Grete Winton died in 1999.

    Citations
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/11711344/Sir-Nicholas-Winton-humanitarian-obituary.html
    http://www.nicholaswinton.com/WintonsList/children.htm
    http://www.powerofgood.net/
    https://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/02/world/europe/nicholas-winton-is-dead-at-106-saved-children-from-the-holocaust.html?_r=0
    http://www.ajr.org.uk/index.cfm/section.journal/issue.Apr11/article=7782

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    How Information Is Controlled by Washington, Israel, and Trolls, Leading to Our Destruction

    Paul Craig Roberts
    Institute for Political Economy
    6th May 2017

    Dear Readers:

    I very much appreciate the support you show for me in your emails. I seldom receive a rude email from you, and when I do it is usually something off subject, such as a reader angry with Israel and unloading on me with an accusation that I am a coward and a “Jew-lover” because I don’t do enough to expose the crimes of the Jews.

    This accusation always amuses me as the ADL lists me as an anti-Semite because I occasionally make an entirely justified criticism of Israel’s mistreatment of Palestinians and excessive influence over US foreign policy, as have many outstanding scholars, such as John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt, and many Jews themselves.

    My friends find my designation by the ADL as an anti-Semite hilarious. The person whom I selected as my principal deputy in the US Treasury is a Jew. David Meiselman, my friend and co-author with me of an important study of the Congressional Budget Office, is a Jew (deceased).

    I went to Oxford for the express purpose of studying under Michael Polanyi, a Jew who had to leave his scientific post in Germany to escape the Nazis. Milton Friedman, an early supporter of the Institute for Political Economy, is a Jew (deceased). When my book (1971) on the Soviet economy was republished in 1990 without a word changed, it was a Jew who wrote the Introduction. He asked, “Why did only Roberts get it right?”

    I have had Israelis as house guests.

    And the ADL labels me an anti-Semite. Clearly, the term no longer means anything.

    I hold Israel and the Israel Lobby accountable, just as I held accountable the Reagan administration, the George H.W. Bush administration, the Clinton regime, the George W. Bush regime, the Obama regime, and the Trump regime. (I differentiate between administration and regime on the basis of whether the president actually had meaningful control over the government. If the president has some control, he has an administration.)

    According to the ADL’s logic, I am both anti-Reagan and anti-American. But readers see me as a true patriot, and Reagan-haters see me as a Reagan-apologist. Clearly, something is wrong with the ADL’s logic.

    Obviously, the Israel Lobby has destroyed the meaning of anti-Semite. In its effort to control the explanation of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, the Israel Lobby has made “anti-Semite” into a badge of honor.

    Control over explanations is important to Zionist Israel. If Americans can be convinced, as many have been, that Palestinians are terrorists out to kill all Jews, Israel’s theft of Palestine and mistreatment of Palestinians is not the issue that it would otherwise be. The Israel Lobby also works hard to control which voices are acceptable and which are not.

    For example, no one is permitted to investigate the Holocaust. Some European countries have a law against Holocaust investigation, and historians have been sent to prison for challenging the official explanation, which it is mandatory to believe.

    In the US the Israel Lobby can even overturn decisions on academic tenure. For example, the outstanding scholar, Norman Finkelstein, a Jew and a critic of Israel, was denied tenure at a Catholic University solely on the basis of objection from the Israel Lobby.

    I find it extraordinary that not even Catholic Universities can stand up to the power of the Israel Lobby. The tenure committee and the faculty voted Finkelstein’s tenure, and the Israel Lobby interceded with the university president and blocked it.

    Similarly, Steven Salaita was offered a tenure appointment at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, accepted it, resigned his tenure at Virginia Tech, sold his house and moved his family to Illinois only to have the president of the University of Illinois illegally cancel his appointment, apparently on orders from the Israel Lobby. Salaita’s attitude toward Israel was not acceptable to Israel.

    The Israel Lobby succeeded in eliminating two outstanding scholars from American academic life, thereby extending Zionist control of the Israeli/Palestinian explanation by eliminating alternative explanations. As far as I can ascertain, neither scholar has been able to overcome the slander and obtain an academic appointment, a great loss to students and scholarship.

    If a writer so much as reports these factual events, the writer is branded an anti-Semite by the Israel Lobby. In former times, an anti-Semite meant a person who hated Jews. But today it means anyone who makes even a mild criticism of Israel’s policy toward the Palestinians whose lands Israel occupies and is stealing. Indeed, practically nothing is left of Palestine except the Gaza ghetto that is totally controlled by Israel. All movements of supplies and people in and out are controlled by Israel. Essentially, Gaza is the Warsaw Ghetto.

    These are simple irrefutable facts. Every aware person knows this, but if you say it or write it, you are a “Jew-hater.”

    Many Jews have been conditioned to believe that any criticism of Israel, no matter how justified, is anti-Semitic. Even Israel’s friend, former US President Jimmy Carter, is reviled by the Israel Lobby as an anti-Semite. Carter cautioned Israel against mistreatment of the Palestinians and was instantly branded a “Jew-hater.” The Jews on the board of the Carter Center resigned.

    How do we account for the vast power of the lobby of a foreign power whose entire consequence in the world depends solely on Washington’s support? How does a dependent country control, or if control is too strong, so heavily influence, Washington’s policy in the Middle East, resulting in millions of deaths of Muslims and the destruction of entire countries, and also overturn the tenure decisions of US Catholic and state universities? If the US is a superpower, clearly Israel is the Hyperpower.

    Israel owes much of its influence to the billions of US taxpayers’ dollars that Washington gives each year to Israel. Money is fungible, and it comes back to the US in the form of political campaign contributions to support Israel’s friends and defeat Israel’s critics. It come back in support for friendly media, academics, and university administrations. It influences entertainment and some say court cases, not by paying off judges, but by influencing the explanation of the case. And so on. In other words, US taxpayers’ money is used to give a foreign government more control over the US than US citizens have.

    There is a great deal of hostility toward the Zionist government among European populations and Muslims. But this hostility does not transfer to all Jews. People are capable of differentiating the responsible from the powerless.

    All Jews are not Israelis and all Israelis are not Zionists. Some Israelis complain that the Zionist government is squeezing morality out of the Israeli population, and they pay a price for saying so.

    Israelis who organize in protest to the Zionist policies against the Palestinians, such as Jeff Halper, coordinator of the Israeli Committee Against Home Demolitions, are branded “self-hating Jews” by the Zionist government.

    Few Americans know that the Israeli government confiscates entire Palestinian villages and demolishes Palestinians’ homes, using specially built equipment by the American corporation, Caterpillar, and constructs housing for Israelis. The Israel Lobby will deny this despite the fact that Israeli citizens have formed an organization that seeks to use law and Israeli courts to prevent it. Western governments and presstitutes are not interested in what becomes of the dispossessed Palestinians.

    Halper is Jewish, but the Palestinians do not hate him. He can go to Gaza without any danger from the Muslims. . The only danger he faces is from the Israeli government who arrested him for going to Gaza. Indeed, distinguished Israelis, such as Gilad Atzmon and Ilan Pappe have left Israel for safety in Europe. Both are demonized by the Israel Lobby. If you care to understand Zionist Israel, read Atzmon’s book, The Wandering Who? For Palestine, read Pappe’s books.

    Think about this more generally. As Muslims have been under foreign occupation for a very long time, they are aware that they have no control over “their” governments. Some of them are aware that Europeans and Americans also have no control over their governments.

    Just as Muslims in Palestine do not hold Halper responsible for Israel’s murderous policies toward Palestinians, what sense does it make for Muslims to hold hapless Europeans and Americans responsible for the evil policies of the US and European governments?

    If you think about this, you can see why it is suspicious that “Muslim terrorism” commits acts only against innocents, who have no influence over government policy, and not against the responsible government officials.

    If Muslim terrorists are so sophisticated that they can pull off events such as 9/11 and the Nice truck attack, they are sufficiently sophisticated to understand who their real enemies are. They know that the enemy is not Frenchmen enjoying an evening on French streets.

    As I have previously observed, the main neoconservatives are well known from their high positions in the George W. Bush and Obama regimes. Their responsibility for the years of US invasions, bombings, and destruction of millions of Muslim peoples is known. None of the neoconservatives have any protection. Yet there has never been a terrorist attack against any of them.

    Considering that the alleged Muslim terrorists are so inconsiderate of their own lives, they could easily take out former VP Dick Cheney, who has only minimal protection. Consider that there have been no Muslim terror attacks on unprotected US Senators and Representatives and presstitutes who have fervently supported two decades of murderous warfare against Muslims. Consider that the US and Europe are now full of Muslim refugees from Washington’s wars, and terrorist events (which are probably false flag events) are rare.

    In a real democracy with a real media and real opposition parties, these questions would be investigated and part of public debate, not dismissed as “conspiracy theory.” As I reported in a previous column, CIA documents were discovered that show that the CIA invented the use of “conspiracy theory” to prevent a real investigation into the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2016/08/31/are-you-a-mind-controlled-cia-stooge-paul-craig-roberts/

    To return to the purpose of this missive, which is to thank you for your support, I agree with the numerous readers who wrote to tell me that they do not waste time reading comment sections in which the majority of comments are the work of narcisstic idiots and paid trolls, and in which anonymous commentators slander not only the columnist but also one another. Readers advise me to treat the comments as water off the duck’s back.

    I did not protest because of thin skin. As I understand it, many governments, agencies of governments, and private interest groups and individuals with agendas, such as Monsanto and George Soros, finance trolls to attack Internet writers who are critical of their agendas.

    Other reports say that Google is cooperating with the government’s control over explanations by making it more difficult to find truth-tellers online. Other reports say that Twitter and Facebook are censoring what can be posted.

    The process of discrediting truth-tellers works as follows: A writer provides an explanation that differs from the official explanation. He or she is set upon both by narcissists full of themselves and by trolls.

    His or her argument is mischaracterised. He or she is branded a “conspiracy theorist,” a “Putin dupe” or “Russian agent,” an “anti-Semite,” an “anti-American,” a “Reagan apologist.” Once these comments are posted, the troll network spreads them into social media, with the intention of discrediting the writer and creating suspicion about his or her motives and sanity. As most people are poorly informed and have difficulty differentiating The Matrix from The Reality, the trolls succeed in limiting the writer’s audience.

    It is not “thin skinned” to object to a process that discredits those who provide real information when the purpose of the discrediting is to protect the official disinformation used to control explanations.

    Readers continually ask me what can be done to regain control over the government. My answer is that the people cannot do anything until they understand the situation. Without good information, they cannot understand the situation. Narcissists and trolls work to keep people confused about legitimate sources.

    If comment sections required real names and real email addresses, comments would be less damaging to the truth as commentators would be less inclined toward irresponsibility and malice.

    Everywhere in the Western World, and this includes the Asian provinces of the American Empire, it is close to impossible to acquire accurate information. The only purpose of information from Washington and from the print and TV media and NPR is to get the captive populations to accept the officlal explanation that serves the ruling agenda. Those who provide real news, such as RT, are attacked as fonts of “fake news.” In other words, for Washington truth is an enemy. As George Orwell said, “In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.”

    The Saker says that the agenda most in need of our attention is the “anglo-zionist agenda” of US/Israeli domination. The overriding fact of our time is that any country or person in the way of US/Israeli domination is destined for destruction.

    That is our reality.

    Russia and China have finally caught on that the democratic rhetoric issuing from Washington is a cloak for the evil that is the operating force of the US government.

    Will Russia and China accept the hegemony of this evil or will they not? It is a very serious matter that Washington has convinced the Russian and Chinese governments that Washington is preparing a preemptive nuclear strike against them. This is extremely serious, not something for narcissists and trolls to play with.

    For all who ask what to do, the answer is to speak out strongly against Washington for risking all life by convincing Russia and China that Washington is preparing to nuke them.

    To understand how dire the situation is, ask yourself why you hear no protests against such provocation of Russia and China from the West’s print and TV media, from the US Senate, from the House of Representatives, from European political leaders, from hardly anyone.

    The absence of protest tells the Russians and Chinese that the American Empire is OK with the preemptive attack. Where is Merkel’s voice? Where is May’s? Where is any leader’s voice?

    The absence of protest voices tells Russia and China that the die is cast.

    Citation
    http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2017/05/06/information-controlled-washington-israel-trolls-leading-destruction/

    #477772
    SOLI2DE
    SOLI2DE
    Participant

    Here’s mine and this is painful but I have to get it out. I had a LDR(or so I thought). She was 3 years older than me and staring at 40 plus I didn’t get it when she said she wanted to be married by 40. Played white knight savior, super bleu-pill provider and paid her rent once and let her use Uber to get back and forth to work for months on family plan charged to my CC. We were not even in same state. She was definitely borderline and untreated. Dumped me like every few months by text but I still didnt get it. In fact after she dumped me the first time I found mgtow.com and was doing fine on my own for 6 months until she contacted me(Mr. Justin Case). Threw all my previous red pills away and went for the biological brainwashing. She even dumped me by text 2 hours before going to my grandfather’s wake! Said I changed because I went to spend time with my family for the funeral. 8 months later and with plenty of proof after being dropped this time I started doing research and connected the dots. I was finally ready to see. Now I know that romantic love is a illusion and she never really cared about me just only as a utility. Flew out there a few times and stayed in expensive hotels but hypergamy doesn’t care! It will take a few months to clear up my CC debt which is manageable but I am disgusted at her and mad at myself. I’ve been socialized/ conditioned to crave their validation and wince at the thought of the things I did for her and the BS I took. Pussy is not worth it. I needed that relapse to have all the questions about female nature answered for me. I have no more doubts about them.

    “Do not give your strength to women, nor your ways to that which destroys kings.” -Proverbs 31:3-

    #477545
    Joseph
    Joseph
    Participant

    source

    This will be my opening introduction post. I wanted to do something a little different and give back to this community. I had been lurking without an account for years and this ridiculous article was enough to finally make me sign up for an account and post my detailed logical fallacy analysis of the alt-right tradtard conservicuck mind.

    The article excerpts will be in italics.

    MGTOW: MEN GENOCIDE THEMSELVES OVER WOMEN

    I think the title alone is enough to adequately sum up the MGTOW movement. “MGTOW”, or Men Going Their Own Way, is the Hegelian “anti-thesis” of feminism… It’s the opposite side of the same coin. The end result or “synthesis”, being the complete and total evaporation of the people it has been used against… Namely, people of native European stock, wherever they are living throughout the world.

    From the opening paragraph you see the fallacy and double think within the tradcuck. MGTOW is not a movement. It is a philosophy or belief about the world and men’s place in it. It is specific to each individual man hence the term “own”. It’s not a cult. There is no leader. No rallying point. No central authority.

    MGTOW is not the opposite of feminism. While feminists try to change laws to make life and society easier for women MGTOW understand that the government, society, and civilization is rotten to the core and not worth saving. It’s not worth extending time, energy, effort, and money to further a specific political agenda. But that time energy effort and money is better used by turning those things towards the self in order to improve one’s self own life as an individual man.

    As for the claims the European race is dying out and being genocided by the foreign muslim invader memes I would like to refer you to black pill gangster’s video here and these two websites with official government stats here and here. This topic is largely beyond the scope of this post. But the facts and evidence linked above will lead you into making your own conclusions. In my opinion the evidence does not support the claim that the European people are dying out or some nonsense. This claim is a large part of the tradcuck alt-right conservitard blowhard talking points.

    What is most troubling is the fact that many on the “right” appear to lend credence to this worldview. They acknowledge the fact that their people are currently being dissolved with falling birthrates and mass importation of foreign populations, yet they seem to heap blame on women, and encourage others to do the same.

    He blames men for blaming women yet look at the paragraph below and he will contradict himself.

    Treating women badly and being bitter regarding them is a weak and feminine trait. That is not to say this behaviour is unfathomable given the present climate. Feminism and brutal cultural subversion have damaged modern women in such a way that they are beyond recognition. This attack on women was aimed at targeting their biggest flaws, such as vanity, and bringing them to the forefront.

    This is pure lies and a logical fallacy. Mgtow does not equal treating women badly or being bitter. And even if a man made the choice to treat woman badly or be bitter then what does this have to do with MGTOW? That’s the own man’s choice how he will treat a person and how he will feel regarding a person.

    Then at the same time the tradcuck even admits in his own words that women’s very minds are damaged at the cultural and society wide level making the claim that “they are beyond recognition”.

    So he turns right around and starts blaming women for having damaged minds that are beyond recognition. He just contradicted himself here. He proves himself a hypocrite and a fool.

    Let’s be very clear; the attack on women was engineering wholly to turn our men and women against one another; thus lowering the birth rates and furthering the stated goal. (Read: “The UN’s Population Replacement Plan You Probably Haven’t Hear Of”)

    The author will prove himself a hypcorite once again. In this paragraph he blames the UN for what women have become. Yet we see he contradicts himself again and starts blaming men again. It cannot be both men and the UN. Either this is an organized attack upon men by the UN. Or it is men who are MGTOW who are wholly to blame. It cannot be both as that makes no sense.

    If you are someone subscribing to the MGTOW movement, or someone who adheres to the anti-woman sentiment instilled by pickup culture; you have fallen prey to the selfsame mind virus that feminists have.

    Completely illogical and makes no sense. MGTOW is about a man doing everything within himself and his power to help himself be happy, to give himself a good life, and to treat himself very well, to take care of himself and not let ANYONE steal his time, energy, life, money, or resources away from him.

    MGTOW is not a mind virus that infects the minds of men and turns them into bitter and vengeful people.

    Women are the victim of feminism and degenerate modernity, they should not be hated for the results. Rather, we should pity and help them overcome it; because they are only hurting themselves and their children. This only leads to high rates of unhappiness for women as the stats show. Do you really believe that these women are intentionally trying to erase their legacy and make themselves suffer while doing it? Of course not, they have been duped like many men have, not recognizing the times in which they live.

    This is fail. No one has the right to tell any man how he should feel in the face of gross terrible disgusting injustice. He doesn’t have the right to dictate like a tyrant how men should feel about anything. Let the man make his OWN decision how he should feel.

    The tradcuck reels his ugly head be captain save a ho and pity and help women overcame their problems. Will the woman help you as a man overcome your problems? Will society help you overcome your problems? This is self destructive mind control. This self sacrifice white knight retardation leads to nothing but pain misery and failure with a lot of time money energy and effort thrown into the toilet and flushed like a piece of s~~~. Think of all the resources wasted on someone that doesn’t love you, care about you, treat you well, or help you in your times of need.

    Yes we should all help the woman that are hurting themselves and their kids. Listen stupid cucktard. If you want to help every woman who has problems go right ahead. But don’t you dare tell other men to fall into your self sacrifice self destruction mind control bulls~~~.

    It’s not my responsibility to solve other people’s problems especially when they do not help me and there is no equal exchange. I am not super man. I am not the saviour of mankind. STOP SAYING THAT I SHOULD BE.

    People should LEARN from THEIR OWN MISTAKES. How will they learn if mind controlled conservicucks like you fall on your sword every time a woman breaks a nail? Disgusting behaviour.

    As men we should be looking out for the weakest amongst us, we should be comforting the sick, and educating the ignorant. If these people knew what we know, they would not behave the way they do. Therefore, it is important always to bear in mind the fact that this is a deliberate attack, and we should not shun the people it has hit the hardest.

    Listen cuck your lying to yourself. Why don’t you care about MEN? WHY DON’T YOU CARE? So while you hide behind the Jesus talk you are actually only referring to women. This makes you a liar and a hypocrite. That only women should be helped. That only women are in need. That only women are important. That women deserve your worship. Women that you don’t even know who they are and they don’t even give a f~~~ing s~~~ about you.

    MGTOW, like feminism, has some vaguely positive and truthful aspects. It could not be successful any other way. The basic credo of the MGTOW movement is this: “Modern women are decadent, vain, and manipulative, the best choice for a man is to completely divorce himself from them and live alone.”

    Once again this is not the definition of MGTOW. MGTOW is all about a man giving himself the BEST life that he can according to his needs wants desires and preferences specifically for HIM and HIM ALONE as an INDIVIDUAL. It doesn’t have anything to do about women unless the individual MGTOW decides and makes the choice to have it to about that.

    They fail to ask the question; “why are modern women this way?”

    MGTOW do not fail to ask the question. MGTOW just doesn’t give a f~~~ about people that don’t give a s~~~ about them. And MGTOW will not be mind controlled into self destructive behaviour like becoming some white knighting self sacrificing retard for a women that doesn’t even know them like you.

    The first part of this statement is true, but the solution is insane and unnatural in every way. Men actively separating themselves from women, what if the men of the past did this? We would not be here today.

    Why the F~~~ do you even give a single s~~~ about men that you don’t know who they are who don’t want to get into relationships with damaged crazy diseased mentally unhinged obese and nasty women? Let the man decide what kinds of relationships he will have and with whom he will have it. You are not the God over men deciding and throwing down judgement on men demanding that ALL men get into relationships with anyone that happens to be around.

    If this separation from women came in the form celibacy, it wouldn’t be a particularly bad thing. Once a man becomes completely celibate for any length of time, it is virtually impossible for him to cling on to anything as weak and effeminate as hating women. However, this separation often comes in the form of advocating the use of prostitutes, while opportunistically snatching a one night stand here and there… They advocate simultaneously living alone, hoarding money for oneself, and living a bachelors life indefinitely. Because life is about consumerism, not having any responsiblity, and pointless hedonism, isn’t it?

    Once again he believes he is God and can dictate to men how they should feel when something really terrible happens to them. Dictating to men what they can and can’t hate who they can and can’t hate.

    If a man wants to spend resources on prostitutes and 1 night stands that’s his choice. It doesn’t have anything to do with me and it sure as F~~~ doesn’t have anything to do with you. Its the man’s own choices to decide where and how he will save or spend money. Saving money is very smart he stupidly and euphemistically calls it hoarding. What’s better dumbass to save someone so that you can buy something nice for yourself or spend it all on a woman that you say you should save because they are weak and derserve to be saved by you. Go ahead and spend all your money running around saving women. Me and other MGTOW who aren’t dumb f~~~ retarded will save our money and spend our money the way we WANT. Which is the way it will benefit us.

    Can you imagine what a traditional man from the 1920’s, or the 1820’s, or the 1720’s, would think about this pathetic and selfish existence? A man burrowing himself away from women (usually due to past hurt and bitterness), while neglecting all basic male duties like providing a good life for wife and progeny… “What kind of existence is that?” Would probably be the question. In fact, they probably couldn’t even comprehend the suicidal concept.

    Its not the f~~~ing 1600’s anymore. That was the past this is now. How is it pathetic and selfish to save and spend money only in the way that is going to give a man a better life? How is it pathetic and selfish to not want to throw money away trying to save someone that doesn’t want a man’s help? Who gives you the right to force other men to contort themselves into the saviour of women.

    Your definition of basic male duty is your opinion. It’s up to each man as an individual adult human being to decide for himself what his duties are and what his duties ARE NOT. If a man does not want to get married or does not want to have children and wants to spend time focusing on other things then so be it. You are not God over male adult choices and you are not the end all be all JUDGE of what a man’s duty is or what a man’s duty is not.

    Men used to value self-sacrifice, serving others, and bearing the weight of adversity so women and children didn’t have to. Where have those men gone?

    The where have all the good men can femicuck libtard conservitard battlecry.

    It’s a 2 way street buddy. If society, government, women, whoever it is does not help, nurture, and show men love caring compassion and wisdom then why would a man put time, money, energy, effort, his life, his blood, sweat and tears, and resources into something that he does not benefit from?

    Why don’t you ever talk about what men get out of it? Why don’t you ever talk about what men receive? Why is it so important for you to have women get everything out of it and men giving everything. This is not balanced. Where there is no balance there will be no foundation. And where there is no foundation nothing will stand.

    Of course, all that this manufactured women hatred does is push more women away from men and into the clutches of poisonous ideologies like feminism, which in turn leads men to poisonous ideologies like MGTOW. Do you see how this works? The thesis (feminism et al) and the anti-thesis (MGTOW et al) will duke it out until the synthesis (ethnic dissolution) is achieved.

    There is no genocide happening. The human race is not dying out. There’s more people alive then ever before. And again MGTOW doesn’t have anything to do with hating women. Women don’t have anything to do with it. MGTOW is a man making decisions for himself that is going to benefit him. If a woman ends up losing out TO F~~~ING BAD. If society ends up losing out TO F~~~ING BAD. MGTOW will survive because MGTOW are smart with their resources and smart with their time.

    This is why “false opposition” infiltrators are currently attempting to steer the right away from its traditional enemies, and framing women as the source of all problems. This pathetic attempt is blindingly obvious to me, we may discuss this at length in another article. It suffices to say, when you see a popular right-wing personality take this tact; they are perpetuating and supporting the displacement of a people.

    The only infiltrators are people like you. Conservative people stuck in the tradcon mind control bulls~~~ still thinking its the fourteen f~~~ing hundreds. You know nothing about marriage law, divorce law, family court, or common law. You know nothing about how the government litterally destroys men every single day. Steals from men. Takes from men. And you sit their typing on your f~~~ing computer how men need to GIVE even more of themselves to a system that doesn’t give a f~~~ about them and will literally KILL them.

    As as the new acronym; “Men Genocide Themselves Over Women” suggests, men who decide to “go their own way” will hurt themselves primarily. Working hard and baring strain alone for the sake of your wife and children is the greatest and most fulfilling act any man can carry out. It’s going to be hard to find a wife who has not been affected by the mind virus, but divorcing yourself from nature herself and committing mass suicide is not a solution for anything. Neither is creating more damaged women by inadvertently pushing them over to that way of being.

    This paragraph just makes me laugh so much. People literally believe this. And literally think thinking this way is good.

    You fail to demonstratively prove how it will hurt a man who is MGTOW.

    You fail to demonstratively prove how working hard and baring strain alone for the sake of your wife and children is the greatest and most fulfilling act a man can do.

    You fail to demonstratively prove how a man will find a wife who has not been affected by the mind virus.

    You fail to demonstratively prove how refusing to marry someone a man doesn’t like and having kids with her means committing mass suicide and divorcing from nature.

    With God’s help we will reverse this insidious social engineering and return to the natural order as it was designed, beautifully, with one man and one women becoming one flesh.

    You are not God over men. Other people’s relationships or lack of one is none of your God damned business. Instead of trying to be a control freak forcing men to marry who just don’t want to. Get busy living your own life and let people live theirs.

    This site was sold by its original owner in secret. There is new management that doesn't care about quality. The new site is much better https://theindependentman.org


    Anonymous

    Every woman I seriously dated had my replacement moved up to first string within 2 weeks. They always have a backup plan. I wouldn’t give her a ring and deposit some baby batter up in her and finally she turned to an insufferable c~~~ and I walked away. This was the one whom I’d thought I’d marry. It’s just one example. It’s part of the plan so they feel no guilt about breaking up with you in case it’s a mistake and her monkey branch turns out to not be as good as you. Get her drunk and get her talking she will reveal her plans in detail. That one did. It’s scary what they have in their heads.

    #477116

    Anonymous

    He has NO CHOICE, but to be “happy” as he is all in, and he thinks that he is living the “American Dream”.

    You just gave me insight on my own past that I never thought about. Thank you!

    I believe this was the reason for such a prolonged escape from my relationships.

    What finally brought me to push through with a plan on leaving was a quote from a book I had recently read.

    “Don’t cling to a mistake just because you spent a lot of time making it.”

    Pedal, run, row
    Pedal, run, row
    Participant

    If you don’t want to be a henpecked twenty something, living with a controlling mommy, you got to find a way. That is the hard truth of it, even if it isn’t popular.

    Yea, that is still the bottom line really, and you are also right about all the other s~~~ people spend money on now that we just didn’t have back in the day. But I think I made about 5 an hour at my earliest jobs in the mid 80’s, that is about half of minimum wage now where I live, and rent is at least 3x what it used to be in the same area, and gas and food is about 4x so I am sticking with the idea that for the average person in society we are in decline. For rural areas it might not be as bad though, that is if you can find a job.

    There is definitely an element of truth to what you are saying. In some ways things are more difficult, but in other ways they sure are living pretty good compared to how we lived as struggling young men trying to find a place in the world.
    I know that I did not have the apprentice types of opportunities at the utility companies etc. that were available to my dad’s generation, and I am sure the millennials feel the same in some regards.

    On top of all that I previously mentioned, I don’t think I watched one TV show from the time I left high school, until I finally decided my best chance was the military. I certainly wasn’t surfing the non-existent internet and watching YouTube videos etc. It was hard scrabble and grind, work, work, work some more, realize at some point how hungry I am and try to find food, sleep, and then party hard on the weekend.
    Kids now, man there isn’t a show on that they don’t know every plot line too etc.
    They sit around for hours and hours on the internet, watching YouTube, playing games, streaming Netflix, and all the while telling us how hard they got it.
    I BUSTED MY ASS from 18- to around 34, then could finally let up a little.

    Men used to have to go work in filthy factories, mines, meat packing plants, slaughterhouses etc, now making a rainbow frap at Starbucks is considered HARD work.

    And I know this is all sweeping brush work, and there are some exceptions, and many of the brothers here ARE those exceptions, but this whole convo about which generation has it easy, and which has it hard, is sweeping brush work on all accounts except what we share about our own stories here.

    I think the bottom line is, if you want to be a man and get away from mommy (not you), start working hard and make it happen. If the guy needs to suck it up to live at home while he puts busts his ass to get himself in a position to get out of there, fine. But if he is just hanging about watching TV and playing video games… well he should consider his time there from here on out as extremely limited imo, and nothing like stepping out on the road by yourself, to finally see the options available and make you amenable to doing what needs to be done to achieve freedom for yourself.

    I would not have gone in the military had things not been so hard, so sometime just the act of getting out there, opens the doors for you, and it doesn’t have to be the military, it could be something different for each man.

    #476839
    Rhino
    Rhino
    Participant

    You want a religious red pill? Here’s mine: The Catholic religion is the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth, and the ONLY truth.

    I happen to believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster though, and it is the one truth. And I can prove it just as much as you can prove your delusion.

    And the thread was if Blue Pill was default or not.

    Full quote of the post you are referring to-

    “Blue Pill is NOT default. Children are blank slates, how you raise them determines, for the most part, how they will be as adults. This is proven by the fact that most children raised in Christian families are Christian, not Muslim, and vice versa. If any of you with religion think it is by some divine will that you believe what you believe, you are sorely mistaken. And what I just wrote above proves it.

    Society is a Blue Pill factory, end of story.”

    Is blue pill the default setting from birth?

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    So, you have fairly twisted what I have said. But I can see why you took it that way as you were likely raised into your beliefs, I doubt your parents were Muslim right? And what I said would of course lead anyone with religion to question if they only believe what they believe because it is what they were taught, so I understand your taking it in the context that you did.

    Look, you and I are pretty much the same. Let’s say there are 5k known religions, you don’t believe in 4,999 of them, I just take it one step further and I do not believe in 5k of them. See how close we are really? I don’t care to dance with your delusion. You can have it. It is just that this is not a designated Christian or Catholic website, so when threads are titled like “The Religious Red Pill” and it has a point of view within the framework of the post of one of many religions, then it is fair game for everyone. Now, if anyone wants to make threads titled “Thoughts Of X religion” or anything like that I will gladly stay out of it. S~~~, I should have stayed out of this one.

    Or what one great ex-Catholic said- “Keep thy religion to thyself”
    ~ George Carlin

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    My guess is on a website entitled Men Going Their Own Way that you will not be able to reach a religious consensus, so all I am asking is that the topics be clear about who they are for, and none of them should be using the words Red Pill in any of them, as this intones a discrediting of all others.

    You are right it is fair game for anyone I encourage those are religious or atheists to contribute if they like but for someone who doesn’t care you sure have a lot to write about the topic. If I want to use Red Pill in the title I will do so and there is nothing you can write to change my mind. Maybe you missed what I wrote below the video I will quote it for you again:

    I am not here to promote a specific religion or its denomination I am posting this for discussion purposes I look forward to your feedback.

    Where do you see me promoting any specific religion in this thread? I posted this topic because I found it interesting that there were a lot of religions with pagan influences found throughout Walter Veith’s presentation. It is red pill because it opens you up to the possibility that things are not what they seem to be as presented in the real world.

    On this sub forum we discuss religion it is a part of philosophy if you don’t like to discuss religion here go on any other sub forum on this website and continue to discuss whatever you want no one is forcing you to post on this topic.

    I can point you to many videos on Youtube or articles where there have been Muslim people who converted to Christianity and vice versa so no just because you are born into a specific religion does not mean you will automatically default to it that is why God gave us the choice of free will.

    As Can’t Stump Trump already wrote above he made a thread proving of Gods existence found here:

    God's Existence as Demonstrable Truth (WARNING: Long Post)

    You can learn something from it or discard it like everything else you have done in your life regarding religion no one can force you to take the red pill (oh there I go again using the red pill analogy). The Bible is an eyewitness account of Jesus existing in the real world and you can tell us all you want how it is a fairy tale but the fact is you were never there to witness what Jesus for us all and neither was any other atheist who believes with 100 percent certainty that all religious are fake. Just because you were not there to see what took place does not mean it didn’t happen.

    As for your video you posted earlier the author mirrors some of Walter Veith’s presentation and I agree with some of the things he had to say but I disagree with some of his interpretations because he refuses to believe what is written in The Bible. If you refuse to believe in God you will refuse to believe in Satan who is a deceiver. As the video I posted pointed out this is Satan’s goal. If one religion is built off another religion and it continues down the same path when Jesus and The Bible comes along then of course you must conclude that what is written in The Bible must be a fake because the ones that came before The Bible was written were also fake.

    The problem with this line of reasoning is God always existed, he created the universe and everything in it. Just because The Bible was written later does not mean the knowledge did not exist in other forms prior to it being written. Oral Tradition played a major role in passing down information from one generation to the next in ancient times because most of the world was illiterate and there had to be a system in place for knowledge to be passed down. Who is to say that all those other pagan religions didn’t borrow from oral tradition of God and was corrupted by Satan?

    Man with the help of Satan took those pagan symbols, traditions, and corrupted the word of God and the teachings of The Bible to spread misinformation. This manipulation and distortion of facts helps undermine peoples belief system to the point where people continually keep fighting each other to pull people away from The Bible and the truth of Jesus. The fact that you and I are having this very discussion is proof of this. You bought in hook line and sinker into Satan’s plan but of course those who believe in Jesus are the delusional ones according to you because your modern facts supersede eyewitness testimony of what happened in the past. The fact that I as a religious person who believes in Jesus posted a video discrediting some religious teachings and holidays is proof that many religious people such as myself see what is really happening behind the scenes we are not all blinded by religious fervor.

    Also you have to be willing to find Jesus and seek him out God gave you free will to make the choice you choose not to believe in him so be it. If you get to bring up that god does not exist I have every right to refute that. I am not preaching to you or trying to convert you I am just telling you how it works. I am sure you will be happy in your life without religion again this is MGTOW do as you wish no one person nor God is forcing you to convert or believe in him that is up to you to decide.

    Finally, I or any other member here will discuss whatever religion we want here on this sub forum and if we don’t always agree that is cool too but please don’t tell us to “keep thy religion to thyself”. There are many members who are like minded and enjoy these religious discussions (including atheists) this is not a politically correct website and never will be because we are brothers who are a family from all different walks of life where we share our knowledge and understanding of the world and you have the choice to use that knowledge or discard it.

    #476774
    Polish MGHOW
    Polish MGHOW
    Participant

    Hello, Brothers! Thank you for accepting me into your ranks.

    Now, let me finally introduce myself: I come from Poland and that is what I want you to remember.
    I love my country, as alt-rights love US of America. And I have tried to find a woman to accompany me in this dream of mine – to Make Poland Great Again – as I’ve decided that’s what I live for. Sounds grandeurs? Well, having a loving wife and children would also make me happy. But I am in my mid twenties, and 0 success.
    So, I have been lurking on this site since ~Sept. 2016. Few days ago, 1st of May AD2017 to be exact, I have finally decided to Go My Own Way and do not look back. I have to say, my Red Pill was not as dramatic as some of our Brothers here (like May 7 2020, Gargamel and others), but it was Red Pill to me all the same. So how did I fully become MGHOW? It happened gradually, actually. I cannot remember the exact beginning, but I have been dosed Red Pills since my early school years. I have to admit, that I used to be bullied by other boys. Maybe, because I was raised by single mother and had no real father figure, so I used to be weak. Red Pills? Females actually enjoyed that situation, the drama. Fast forward (next school finished my problems), I have seen girls “stabbing” others and just being c~~~s. Lies, lies everywhere! For example sweet-talking to a person, then dissing him (or her) like he is the worst in the world, behind his back. And even more drama. Same behaviour all the time, even through during my higher education (but here I have really seen what does riding the c~~~ carousel mean – it is just that I learned the term later). Then I have found MGTOW – first through Sandman on YT, then I have come here last year.
    Your stories here were something very new to me, like a different perspective, like leaving the Plato’s cave out, to the open world… But in fact, I have just started noticing to what I have always seen, but did not pay attention to before. However – the Blue Pill programming was even stronger than that, so until this very day (1st of May), I had been looking for my special snowflake. I believed, that, even though you were unlucky, I will just learn from your experiences, get smarter then and pick an unicorn. I do not want to get into many details, so let us just say, that I thought she was really special. Why? She “seemed” to be kind and warm person. Just like I would want my woman to be – nurturing and homemaker. But turns out, I was just one of the many options. It happened to me a few times in the past, but it is just that she was the most skilled person I have meet so far – skilled in faking it. It is still hard for me to come on terms with that, which is women treat men like objects, like resources and they cannot trully love…
    I really just wanted a person with a good heart. There is none (and I have met a lot of women, as I travel around the world). I write that, as I sit in Japan. Women here are even worse, than in Europe. There, at least you can tell it is fake (unless you blue-pill), but here! Here I am constantly being amazed with their developed evolutionary traits… AWALT af!
    But I am not depressed with finally seeing the whole truth. I have you all. You have showed me, that there is life without a woman… and actually a happier life. With no drama. The only thing I am lacking is physical intimacy, as I know the emotional one will not ever be possible (I have my religion for that). But I do not want to go to an escort, as some of you do. Guess, I will have to wait for sexrobots finally making their entrance into the market. This will mean the true freedom for me and for other men!
    It is the truth, that we, men, love in a more profound way… The love of my live is my country, Poland. Not because of it’s people, but because of it’s history. The history looks to me like many of yours – being beaten down to the ground, that it seems impossible to stand up. But you do, even though courts and ex-wives wants you to suffer miserably. You go on, either for your sake, or for the sake of your children.
    And my country – it has suffered so much through the history. For example: in the past it was being under constant attacks/occuptions, in the WW2 one fifth of it’s population was gone… And now it is being subjected to neo-colonialism, it’s President being murdered by Putin and all is “fine” (2010: I will not ever believe, that a single birch took out a whole plane)…
    Even though all of that, just like you did, my country, Poland will stand up from it’s knees. And I will make it happen!

    We, men, actually love… with all our hearts. Here, I just want to thank you. Thank you big time. For showing me, that I can be a whole and complete person. That I can Love (with capital L) and achieve greatness today, when I am finally strong – and there will be no woman to take credit for any of it! And for making me realize, that pursuing women is just a waste of precious time. Also, for setting me straight on My Own Way, when, sometimes, white-knighting kicks in… Without MGTOW I would end up miserably instead of putting my life into good use.

    I am just a guy from Poland, saved from plantation. I wish you all the Best!


    Anonymous

    Nirvana fronted by Kurt were a HUGE influence on me growing up. I followed a lot of the Seattle sound pushing out amazing artists, but I always felt a connection to Kurt’s wailing guitar and lyrics.

    When I heard how he died I immediately thought he wouldn’t do that. He wrote some messed up lyrics and was a waster, but I felt like he was high with his band and having a f~~~ing crazy good time performing. I just never accepted what was told.

    Yeah, I felt the same way. Kurt was sobering up and getting his life together, when the “suicide” happened. His grandpa Leeland says Kurt was doing way better and he finally had no more stomach problems and doing well financially. He was going his own way and divorcing C~~~ney and taking his money and fame with him. Bitch had other plans, he underestimated how evil women can be and paid for it with his life.

    #476200
    Keymaster
    Keymaster
    Keymaster

    Terrific Find @tic. It must be circulating on Reddit (or other boards) too, because another member posted it shortly after you.

    It’s remarkable how everything can be just fine, she likes you, and you can even sincerely plan to stay with her for a long time! But that’s not enough. “Happy with the way things are” doesn’t compute. It’s never enough. A lot of women just don’t know how to be “happy with the way things are”.

    It’s always gotta be building towards something (else).
    And as soon as she arrives there, she tears it down.

    I liken it to working on a project car for 2 years, and finally when it’s road ready, you drive it off a cliff.

    I have had to break down and explain to a couple of girlfriends that it means more to me that she knows she can LEAVE anytime she wants. This way , I know when she’s there, it’s because she WANTS to be – and not out of some contractual sense of obligation or resent.

    This doesn’t register as a “compliment”. So she breaks it off …. which means she never really wanted to be there in the first place.

    “I dated him for 10 months when I thought he was penniless. Proof I’m not a gold digger.”

    She can’t keep up the charade for even a year. At 10 months after meeting, they shouldn’t even BE in a “relationship” yet. That’s when a sensible man might start thinking about being in a “relationship” with her, but she’s already on her way out.

    Beautiful story and an instant classic.

    If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.
    #475062
    Joetech
    joetech
    Participant

    I think the crux of what he is saying is not to get trapped into fatherhood. A woman that traps a man is planning to use that child as a paycheck to the detriment of the father. I’ve seen it and read about it too many times to not understand how devastating it can be. Look up Burt Reynolds and Loni Anderson…he got reamed, and recently had to auction off a bunch of personal items to finally settle up. A bad mistake with a woman can render you a slave for life. If a rich actor can’t get a fair deal with an expensive lawyer, what chance does the average guy have?

    "Don't follow in my footsteps...I stepped in something."

    #475023
    Pedal, run, row
    Pedal, run, row
    Participant

    Bought an electric clipper set with attachments ranging form one quarter inch to one inch.
    Plan to give myself haircuts from now on .. did first one last night, tapering up sides and back at quarter inch and top area at half inch .. followed by cleaning up around lower hairline above neck and then final touch up around ears and eyebrows. Not too shabby outcome, and now I can keep it looking trimmed continuously.
    Hair cutting set on sale was $49.00 .. will pay for itself with two cuts.
    Future $$$ savings will be used for an occasional silver or gold round or coin .. or maybe a favorite autographed sports card.
    Today I am declaring myself free
    .. traditional old-time barber shops are getting too difficult to find and I don’t feel comfortable anywhere else.
    Have great Tuesday.

    That is what I have been doing for the last 6 years or so. Except I don’t even style it. I shave it down all the way bald, or to nubs depending on the mood, once or twice in the summer, and then let it grow out the rest of the year. Rinse and repeat.

    So I go from boot camp style to hockey hair lol.

    You always look ok with evenly cut hair, it is when you try to chase the latest trend, with it short in one place and long in another, where you look back after the style changes again, and realize you looked stupid as s~~~. imo, anyway.

    #474826
    Hmskl'd
    hmskl’d
    Participant

    Bought an electric clipper set with attachments ranging form one quarter inch to one inch.
    Plan to give myself haircuts from now on .. did first one last night, tapering up sides and back at quarter inch and top area at half inch .. followed by cleaning up around lower hairline above neck and then final touch up around ears and eyebrows. Not too shabby outcome, and now I can keep it looking trimmed continuously.
    Hair cutting set on sale was $49.00 .. will pay for itself with two cuts.
    Future $$$ savings will be used for an occasional silver or gold round or coin .. or maybe a favorite autographed sports card.
    Today I am declaring myself free
    .. traditional old-time barber shops are getting too difficult to find and I don’t feel comfortable anywhere else.
    Have great Tuesday.

    Y_
    Y_
    Participant

    The Existential Question of Who to Trust

    Robert Parry
    Strategic Culture Foundation
    1st May 2017

      Robert Parry (born June 24, 1949) is an American investigative journalist best known for his role in covering the Iran-Contra Affair for the Associated Press (AP) and Newsweek, including breaking the Psychological Operations in Guerrilla Warfare (CIA manual provided to the Nicaraguan contras) and the CIA and Contras cocaine trafficking in the US scandal in 1985. He was awarded the George Polk Award for National Reporting in 1984 and the I.F. Stone Medal for Journalistic Independence by Harvard’s Nieman Foundation in 2015. He has been the editor of Consortiumnews since 1995

    The Problem

    The looming threat of World War III, a potential extermination event for the human species, is made more likely because the world’s public can’t count on supposedly objective experts to ascertain and evaluate facts. Instead, careerism is the order of the day among journalists, intelligence analysts and international monitors – meaning that almost no one who might normally be relied on to tell the truth can be trusted.

      US Secretary of State Colin Powell addressed the United Nations on Feb. 5. 2003, citing satellite photos which supposedly proved that Iraq had WMD, but the evidence proved bogus. CIA Director George Tenet is behind Powell to the left

    The dangerous reality is that this careerism, which often is expressed by a smug certainty about whatever the prevailing groupthink is, pervades not just the political world, where lies seem to be the common currency, but also the worlds of journalism, intelligence and international oversight, including United Nations agencies that are often granted greater credibility because they are perceived as less beholden to specific governments but in reality have become deeply corrupted, too.

    In other words, many professionals who are counted on for digging out the facts and speaking truth to power have sold themselves to those same powerful interests in order to keep high-paying jobs and to not get tossed out onto the street.

    Many of these self-aggrandizing professionals – caught up in the many accoutrements of success – don’t even seem to recognize how far they’ve drifted from principled professionalism

    A good example was Saturday night’s spectacle of national journalists preening in their tuxedos and gowns at the White House Correspondents Dinner, sporting First Amendment pins as if they were some brave victims of persecution.

    They seemed oblivious to how removed they are from Middle America and how unlikely any of them would risk their careers by challenging one of the Establishment’s favoured groupthinks. Instead, these national journalists take easy shots at President Trump’s buffoonish behaviour and his serial falsehoods — and count themselves as endangered heroes for the effort.

    Foils for Trump

    Ironically, though, these pompous journalists gave Trump what was arguably his best moment in his first 100 days by serving as foils for President Trump as he traveled to Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, on Saturday and basked in the adulation of blue-collar Americans who view the mainstream media as just one more appendage of a corrupt ruling elite.

      The photograph released by the White House of President Trump meeting with his advisers at his estate in Mar-a-Lago on April 6, 2017, regarding his decision to launch missile strikes against Syria

    Breaking with tradition by snubbing the annual press gala, Trump delighted the Harrisburg crowd by saying: “A large group of Hollywood celebrities and Washington media are consoling each other in a hotel ballroom” and adding: “I could not possibly be more thrilled than to be more than 100 miles away from [the] Washington swamp … with much, much better people.” The crowd booed references to the elites and cheered Trump’s choice to be with the common folk.

    Trump’s rejection of the dinner and his frequent criticism of the mainstream media brought a defensive response from Jeff Mason, president of the White House Correspondents’ Association, who complained: “We are not fake news. We are not failing news organizations. And we are not the enemy of the American people.” That brought the black-tie-and-gown gathering to its feet in a standing ovation.

    Perhaps the assembled media elite had forgotten that it was the mainstream U.S. media – particularly The Washington Post and The New York Times – that popularized the phrase “fake news” and directed it blunderbuss-style not only at the few Web sites that intentionally invent stories to increase their clicks but at independent-minded journalism outlets that have dared question the elite’s groupthinks on issues of war, peace and globalization.

    The Black List

    Professional journalistic skepticism toward official claims by the U.S. government — what you should expect from reporters — became conflated with “fake news.”

    The Post even gave front-page attention to an anonymous group called PropOrNot that published a black list of 200 Internet sites, including Consortiumnews.com and other independent-minded journalism sites, to be shunned.

      The Washington Post building in downtown Washington, D.C. (Photo credit: Washington Post)

    But the mainstream media stars didn’t like it when Trump began throwing the “fake news” slur back at them. Thus, the First Amendment lapel pins and the standing ovation for Jeff Mason’s repudiation of the “fake news” label.

    Yet, as the glitzy White House Correspondents Dinner demonstrated, mainstream journalists get the goodies of prestige and money while the real truth-tellers are almost always outspent, outgunned and cast out of the mainstream. Indeed, this dwindling band of honest people who are both knowledgeable and in position to expose unpleasant truths is often under mainstream attack, sometimes for unrelated personal failings and other times just for rubbing the powers-that-be the wrong way.

    Perhaps, the clearest case study of this up-is-down rewards-and-punishments reality was the Iraq War’s WMD rationale. Nearly across the board, the American political/media system – from U.S. intelligence analysts to the deliberative body of the U.S. Senate to the major U.S. news organizations – failed to ascertain the truth and indeed actively helped disseminate the falsehoods about Iraq hiding WMDs and even suggested nuclear weapons development. (Arguably, the “most trusted” U.S. government official at the time, Secretary of State Colin Powell, played a key role in selling the false allegations as “truth.”)

    Not only did the supposed American “gold standard” for assessing information – the U.S. political, media and intelligence structure – fail miserably in the face of fraudulent claims often from self-interested Iraqi opposition figures and their neoconservative American backers, but there was minimal accountability afterwards for the “professionals” who failed to protect the public from lies and deceptions.

    Profiting from Failure

    Indeed, many of the main culprits remain “respected” members of the journalistic establishment. For instance, The New York Times’ Pentagon correspondent Michael R. Gordon, who was the lead writer on the infamous “aluminum tubes for nuclear centrifuges” story which got the ball rolling for the Bush administration’s rollout of its invade-Iraq advertising campaign in September 2002, still covers national security for the Times – and still serves as a conveyor belt for U.S. government propaganda.

      New York Times building in New York City. (Photo from Wikipedia)

    The Washington Post’s editorial page editor Fred Hiatt, who repeatedly informed the Post’s readers that Iraq’s secret possession of WMD was a “flat-fact,” is still the Post’s editorial page editor, one of the most influential positions in American journalism.

    Hiatt’s editorial page led a years-long assault on the character of former U.S. Ambassador Joseph Wilson for the offense of debunking one of President George W. Bush’s claims about Iraq seeking yellowcake uranium from Niger.

    Wilson had alerted the CIA to the bogus claim before the invasion of Iraq and went public with the news afterwards, but the Post treated Wilson as the real culprit, dismissing him as “a blowhard” and trivializing the Bush administration’s destruction of his wife’s CIA career by outing her (Valerie Plame) in order to discredit Wilson’s Niger investigation.

    At the end of the Post’s savaging of Wilson’s reputation and in the wake of the newspaper’s accessory role in destroying Plame’s career, Wilson and Plame decamped from Washington to New Mexico. Meanwhile, Hiatt never suffered a whit – and remains a “respected” Washington media figure to this day.

    Careerist Lesson

    The lesson that any careerist would draw from the Iraq case is that there is almost no downside risk in running with the pack on a national security issue. Even if you’re horrifically wrong — even if you contribute to the deaths of some 4,500 U.S. soldiers and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis — your paycheck is almost surely safe.

      President George W. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney receive an Oval Office briefing from CIA Director George Tenet. Also present is Chief of Staff Andy Card (on right). (White House photo)

    The same holds true if you work for an international agency that is responsible for monitoring issues like chemical weapons. Again, the Iraq example offers a good case study. In April 2002, as President Bush was clearing away the few obstacles to his Iraq invasion plans, Jose Mauricio Bustani, the head of the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons [OPCW], sought to persuade Iraq to join the Chemical Weapons Convention so inspectors could verify Iraq’s claims that it had destroyed its stockpiles.

    The Bush administration called that idea an “ill-considered initiative” – after all, it could have stripped away the preferred propaganda rationale for the invasion if the OPCW verified that Iraq had destroyed its chemical weapons. So, Bush’s Undersecretary of State for Arms Control John Bolton, a neocon advocate for the invasion Iraq, pushed to have Bustani deposed. The Bush administration threatened to withhold dues to the OPCW if Bustani, a Brazilian diplomat, remained.

    It now appears obvious that Bush and Bolton viewed Bustani’s real offense as interfering with their invasion scheme, but Bustani was ultimately taken down over accusations of mismanagement, although he was only a year into a new five-year term after having been reelected unanimously. The OPCW member states chose to sacrifice Bustani to save the organization from the loss of U.S. funds, but – in so doing – they compromised its integrity, making it just another agency that would bend to big-power pressure.

    “By dismissing me,” Bustani said, “an international precedent will have been established whereby any duly elected head of any international organization would at any point during his or her tenure remain vulnerable to the whims of one or a few major contributors.”

    He added that if the United States succeeded in removing him, “genuine multilateralism” would succumb to “unilateralism in a multilateral disguise.”

    The Iran Nuclear Scam

    Something similar happened regarding the International Atomic Energy Agency in 2009 when former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and the neocons were lusting for another confrontation with Iran over its alleged plans to build a nuclear bomb.

      Yukiya Amano, a Japanese diplomat and director-general of the International Atomic Energy Agency

    According to U.S. embassy cables from Vienna, Austria, the site of IAEA’s headquarters, American diplomats in 2009 were cheering the prospect that Japanese diplomat Yukiya Amano would advance U.S. interests in ways that outgoing IAEA Director General Mohamed ElBaradei wouldn’t; Amano credited his election to U.S. government support; Amano signaled he would side with the United States in its confrontation with Iran; and he stuck out his hand for more U.S. money.

    In a July 9, 2009, cable, American chargé Geoffrey Pyatt said Amano was thankful for U.S. support of his election. “Amano attributed his election to support from the U.S., Australia and France, and cited U.S. intervention with Argentina as particularly decisive,” the cable said.

    The appreciative Amano informed Pyatt that as IAEA director-general, he would take a different “approach on Iran from that of ElBaradei” and he “saw his primary role as implementing safeguards and UNSC [United Nations Security Council] Board resolutions,” i.e. U.S.-driven sanctions and demands against Iran.

    Amano also discussed how to restructure the senior ranks of the IAEA, including elimination of one top official and the retention of another. “We wholly agree with Amano’s assessment of these two advisors and see these decisions as positive first signs,” Pyatt commented.

    In return, Pyatt made clear that Amano could expect strong U.S. financial assistance, stating that “the United States would do everything possible to support his successful tenure as Director General and, to that end, anticipated that continued U.S. voluntary contributions to the IAEA would be forthcoming. Amano offered that a ‘reasonable increase’ in the regular budget would be helpful.”

    What Pyatt made clear in his cable was that one IAEA official who was not onboard with U.S. demands had been fired while another who was onboard kept his job.

    Pandering to Israel

    Pyatt learned, too, that Amano had consulted with Israeli Ambassador Israel Michaeli “immediately after his appointment” and that Michaeli “was fully confident of the priority Amano accords verification issues.” Michaeli added that he discounted some of Amano’s public remarks about there being “no evidence of Iran pursuing a nuclear weapons capability” as just words that Amano felt he had to say “to persuade those who did not support him about his ‘impartiality.’”

      U.S. Army Pvt. Chelsea (formerly Bradley) Manning

    In private, Amano agreed to “consultations” with the head of the Israeli Atomic Energy Commission, Pyatt reported. (It is ironic indeed that Amano would have secret contacts with Israeli officials about Iran’s alleged nuclear weapons program, which never yielded a single bomb, when Israel possesses a large and undeclared nuclear arsenal.)

    In a subsequent cable dated Oct. 16, 2009, the U.S. mission in Vienna said Amano “took pains to emphasize his support for U.S. strategic objectives for the Agency. Amano reminded ambassador [Glyn Davies] on several occasions that he was solidly in the U.S. court on every key strategic decision, from high-level personnel appointments to the handling of Iran’s alleged nuclear weapons program.

    “More candidly, Amano noted the importance of maintaining a certain ‘constructive ambiguity’ about his plans, at least until he took over for DG ElBaradei in December” 2009.

    In other words, Amano was a bureaucrat eager to bend in directions favored by the United States and Israel regarding Iran’s nuclear program. Amano’s behavior surely contrasted with how the more independent-minded ElBaradei resisted some of Bush’s key claims about Iraq’s supposed nuclear weapons program, correctly denouncing some documents as forgeries.

    The world public got its insight into the Amano scam only because the U.S. embassy cables were among those given to WikiLeaks by Pvt. Bradley (now Chelsea) Manning, for which Manning received a 35-year prison sentence (which was finally commuted by President Obama before leaving office, with Manning now scheduled to be released in May – having served nearly seven years in prison).

    It also is significant that Geoffrey Pyatt was rewarded for his work lining up the IAEA behind the anti-Iranian propaganda campaign by being made U.S. ambassador to Ukraine where he helped engineer the Feb. 22, 2014 coup that overthrew elected President Viktor Yanukovych. Pyatt was on the infamous “f~~~ the E.U.” call with Assistant Secretary of State for European Affairs Victoria Nuland weeks before the coup as Nuland handpicked Ukraine’s new leaders and Pyatt pondered how “to midwife this thing.”

      Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko shakes hands with U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt as U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry shakes hands with Ukrainian Foreign Minister Pavlo Klimkin in Kiev, Ukraine, on July 7, 2016.[State Department Photo)

    Across the mainstream of politics and media, there are no longer the checks and balances that have protected democracy for generations. Those safeguards have been washed away by the flood of careerism.

    The situation is made even more dangerous because there also exists a rapidly expanding cadre of skilled propagandists and psychological operations practitioners, sometimes operating under the umbrella of “strategic communications.” Under trendy theories of “smart power,” information has become simply another weapon in the geopolitical arsenal, with “strategic communications” sometimes praised as the preferable option to “hard power,” i.e. military force.

    The thinking goes that if the United States can overthrow a troublesome government by exploiting media/propaganda assets, deploying trained activists and spreading selective stories about “corruption” or other misconduct, isn’t that better than sending in the Marines?

    While that argument has the superficial appeal of humanitarianism – i.e., the avoidance of armed conflict – it ignores the corrosiveness of lies and smears, hollowing out the foundations of democracy, a structure that rests ultimately on an informed electorate. Plus, the clever use of propaganda to oust disfavored governments often leads to violence and war, as we have seen in targeted countries, such as Iraq, Syria and Ukraine.

    Wider War

    Regional conflicts also carry the risk of wider war, a danger compounded by the fact that the American public is fed a steady diet of dubious narratives designed to rile up the population and to give politicians an incentive to “do something.” Since these American narratives often deviate far from a reality that is well known to the people in the targeted countries, the contrasting storylines make the finding of common ground almost impossible.

      Syrian President Bashar al-Assad

    If, for instance, you buy into the Western narrative that Syrian President Bashar al-Assad gleefully gases “beautiful babies,” you would tend to support the “regime change” plans of the neoconservatives and liberal interventionists.

    If, however, you reject that mainstream narrative – and believe that Al Qaeda and friendly regional powers may be staging chemical attacks to bring the U.S. military in on their “regime change” project – you might favor a political settlement that leaves Assad’s fate to the later judgment of the Syrian people.

    Similarly, if you accept the West’s storyline about Russia invading Ukraine and subjugating the people of Crimea by force – while also shooting down Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 for no particular reason – you might support aggressive countermoves against “Russian aggression,” even if that means risking nuclear war.

    If, on the other hand, you know about the Nuland-Pyatt scheme for ousting Ukraine’s elected president in 2014 and realize that much of the other anti-Russian narrative is propaganda or disinformation – and that MH-17 might well have been shot down by some element of Ukrainian government forces and then blamed on the Russians [see here and here] – you might look for ways to avoid a new and dangerous Cold War.

    Who to Trust?

    But the question is: who to trust? And this is no longer some rhetorical or philosophical point about whether one can ever know the complete truth. It is now a very practical question of life or death, not just for us as individuals but as a species and as a planet

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