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A lot of people lately have been talking about organized religion and its role in our daily lives. Some people choose to embrace religion or outright reject it because of the many inconsistencies found in every established religions around the world. Everyone has a interpretation of God or lack of one and this confusion has lead many people to doubt their religion or reject it. Could this be by design by the great deceiver known as the dragon in the Book of Revelation?
I came across this video while searching for answers and it opened my eyes to what I have been thinking for some time. Although I believe in God and Jesus there was never really a specific Christian denomination I wanted to be affiliated with because so many reformations have their own different interpretation of The Bible.
This video by Walter Veith looks at the pagan Religion of Babylon and how it has infiltrated every religious group on earth (not only Christianity but Muslims, Hindu, Buddhist, etc.) If you are a devout Catholic there are going to be many red pills in this video that you may not want to see and the same can be said of other religions too. The video is 2 hours long and I encourage everyone even if you are a atheist to watch this and decide for yourself if Walter hit the nail on the head or if he has interpreted things incorrectly.
I am not here to promote a specific religion or its denomination I am posting this for discussion purposes I look forward to your feedback.
For those of us who don’t mind discussing religion, this is a great topic.
The influences of Paganism have infected all of Christianity [Catholic & Protestant]. From the celebration of Dec. 25 to the fertility influences of Easter to the belief in a God that requires appeasement [i.e. the death of His Son] to make Him forgiving or happy.
On a different note, there are many parallels between paganism and feminism [trying to appease the unappeasable, etc].
When women lead, destruction is the destination. -- Me.
My old thread the case for God took this up and there are some great posts by guys—especially page 4 from can’t stump trump—I begged him to start a new thread with that and he won’t.
Rhino is right on—every organized religion has problems. But don’t worry accepting God and Christ is enough to put anyone’s name in the Book of Life. In the Mansion God has prepared for the faithful (John14:2) I hope and pray he has a whole wing set aside for MGTOW!
But don’t worry accepting God and Christ is enough to put anyone’s name in the Book of Life. In the Mansion God has prepared for the faithful (John14:2) I hope and pray he has a whole wing set aside for MGTOW
That is a given! 🙂
I have read Lee Stroble’s: Case for Christ. It is a very compelling book. I think everyone should read it. Even atheist. The arguments he makes for the christian faith are difficult to dispel. What adds credibility to his discoveries is he was once a former atheist himself.
Give it a read if you want to be theological/intellectually challenged.
Fuck bitches... literally and metaphorically
Anonymous14The real religious Red Pill in regards to Christianity is that it is all a myth, a myth which stole most of it’s story from “Pagan” religions that came before it. I am not here to s~~~ on your thread or start a big argument, if we had a section for every known religion in existence and posts were in their correct places I would stay out of it entirely. There can be no Red Pills in something that is made up, oh there may be good lessons in it, but the Red Pill is that it is man made stories stolen from other man made stories. I know I am in the Lion’s Den here as many believe these stories, so be gentle when tearing my corpse apart limb by limb. S~~~, I would not of even posted here if there was no talk of Religion and Red Pill in the same sentence.
My old thread the case for God took this up and there are some great posts by guys—especially page 4 from can’t stump trump—I begged him to start a new thread with that and he won’t.
Are you just playing with me, Pete? You’ve said this several times on various threads. I DID start a separate thread. Here’s the link to it: /forums/topic/gods-existence-as-demonstrable-truth-warning-long-post/
That being said, your thread was better and received much more attention, so I’d direct people to the original instead: /forums/topic/the-case-for-god/
Women are better at multitasking? Fucking up several things at once is not multitasking.
You want a religious red pill? Here’s mine: The Catholic religion is the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth, and the ONLY truth.
Surely I jest? Surely I’m brainwashed? Surely I only believe in Catholicism because I was raised that way? Though it’s the mark of an unintelligent man to make such assumptions, I can’t really blame you for thinking those things, especially when we have someone like Jorge Bergoglio pretending to speak on God’s behalf and spouting all kinds of egalitarian Marxist bulls~~~. If I weren’t religious, looking at major religious figures in the world today would certainly do nothing to change that.
I know I am in the Lion’s Den here as many believe these stories, so be gentle when tearing my corpse apart limb by limb.
In another thread, you claimed that the fact that people are raised in different religions somehow proves that all religions are false. I’m happy to debate any point regarding religion, and I have no intention of taking a s~~~ on your beliefs or anyone else’s, but in exchange I would appreciate it if you wouldn’t insult my intelligence with arguments of that caliber. Bring out your big guns, because I always bring mine.
Rather than hijack the OP’s thread, I think I’ll take some time this evening to write an explanation as to why Catholicism is the truth. Frankly, I could write several books on the topic, but it would be casting pearls among swine. I know that, if anyone on the MGTOW forums is interested in debating this point, I’ll get good quality feedback.
Women are better at multitasking? Fucking up several things at once is not multitasking.
Anonymous14You want a religious red pill? Here’s mine: The Catholic religion is the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth, and the ONLY truth.
I happen to believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster though, and it is the one truth. And I can prove it just as much as you can prove your delusion.
And the thread was if Blue Pill was default or not.
Full quote of the post you are referring to-
“Blue Pill is NOT default. Children are blank slates, how you raise them determines, for the most part, how they will be as adults. This is proven by the fact that most children raised in Christian families are Christian, not Muslim, and vice versa. If any of you with religion think it is by some divine will that you believe what you believe, you are sorely mistaken. And what I just wrote above proves it.
Society is a Blue Pill factory, end of story.”
So, you have fairly twisted what I have said. But I can see why you took it that way as you were likely raised into your beliefs, I doubt your parents were Muslim right? And what I said would of course lead anyone with religion to question if they only believe what they believe because it is what they were taught, so I understand your taking it in the context that you did.
Look, you and I are pretty much the same. Let’s say there are 5k known religions, you don’t believe in 4,999 of them, I just take it one step further and I do not believe in 5k of them. See how close we are really? I don’t care to dance with your delusion. You can have it. It is just that this is not a designated Christian or Catholic website, so when threads are titled like “The Religious Red Pill” and it has a point of view within the framework of the post of one of many religions, then it is fair game for everyone. Now, if anyone wants to make threads titled “Thoughts Of X religion” or anything like that I will gladly stay out of it. S~~~, I should have stayed out of this one.
Or what one great ex-Catholic said- “Keep thy religion to thyself”
~ George CarlinMy guess is on a website entitled Men Going Their Own Way that you will not be able to reach a religious consensus, so all I am asking is that the topics be clear about who they are for, and none of them should be using the words Red Pill in any of them, as this intones a discrediting of all others.
I happen to believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster though,
Too bad. At first you struck me as someone able to do better than this.
Women are better at multitasking? Fucking up several things at once is not multitasking.
Anonymous14I happen to believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster though,
Too bad. At first you struck me as someone able to do better than this.
Oh, I can, do I have the time for every one of you is the question.
In the end, it is a no f~~~s given situation, have at it.
You want a religious red pill? Here’s mine: The Catholic religion is the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth, and the ONLY truth.
I happen to believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster though, and it is the one truth. And I can prove it just as much as you can prove your delusion.
And the thread was if Blue Pill was default or not.
Full quote of the post you are referring to-
“Blue Pill is NOT default. Children are blank slates, how you raise them determines, for the most part, how they will be as adults. This is proven by the fact that most children raised in Christian families are Christian, not Muslim, and vice versa. If any of you with religion think it is by some divine will that you believe what you believe, you are sorely mistaken. And what I just wrote above proves it.
Society is a Blue Pill factory, end of story.”
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So, you have fairly twisted what I have said. But I can see why you took it that way as you were likely raised into your beliefs, I doubt your parents were Muslim right? And what I said would of course lead anyone with religion to question if they only believe what they believe because it is what they were taught, so I understand your taking it in the context that you did.
Look, you and I are pretty much the same. Let’s say there are 5k known religions, you don’t believe in 4,999 of them, I just take it one step further and I do not believe in 5k of them. See how close we are really? I don’t care to dance with your delusion. You can have it. It is just that this is not a designated Christian or Catholic website, so when threads are titled like “The Religious Red Pill” and it has a point of view within the framework of the post of one of many religions, then it is fair game for everyone. Now, if anyone wants to make threads titled “Thoughts Of X religion” or anything like that I will gladly stay out of it. S~~~, I should have stayed out of this one.
Or what one great ex-Catholic said- “Keep thy religion to thyself”
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My guess is on a website entitled Men Going Their Own Way that you will not be able to reach a religious consensus, so all I am asking is that the topics be clear about who they are for, and none of them should be using the words Red Pill in any of them, as this intones a discrediting of all others.
You are right it is fair game for anyone I encourage those are religious or atheists to contribute if they like but for someone who doesn’t care you sure have a lot to write about the topic. If I want to use Red Pill in the title I will do so and there is nothing you can write to change my mind. Maybe you missed what I wrote below the video I will quote it for you again:
I am not here to promote a specific religion or its denomination I am posting this for discussion purposes I look forward to your feedback.
Where do you see me promoting any specific religion in this thread? I posted this topic because I found it interesting that there were a lot of religions with pagan influences found throughout Walter Veith’s presentation. It is red pill because it opens you up to the possibility that things are not what they seem to be as presented in the real world.
On this sub forum we discuss religion it is a part of philosophy if you don’t like to discuss religion here go on any other sub forum on this website and continue to discuss whatever you want no one is forcing you to post on this topic.
I can point you to many videos on Youtube or articles where there have been Muslim people who converted to Christianity and vice versa so no just because you are born into a specific religion does not mean you will automatically default to it that is why God gave us the choice of free will.
As Can’t Stump Trump already wrote above he made a thread proving of Gods existence found here:
You can learn something from it or discard it like everything else you have done in your life regarding religion no one can force you to take the red pill (oh there I go again using the red pill analogy). The Bible is an eyewitness account of Jesus existing in the real world and you can tell us all you want how it is a fairy tale but the fact is you were never there to witness what Jesus for us all and neither was any other atheist who believes with 100 percent certainty that all religious are fake. Just because you were not there to see what took place does not mean it didn’t happen.
As for your video you posted earlier the author mirrors some of Walter Veith’s presentation and I agree with some of the things he had to say but I disagree with some of his interpretations because he refuses to believe what is written in The Bible. If you refuse to believe in God you will refuse to believe in Satan who is a deceiver. As the video I posted pointed out this is Satan’s goal. If one religion is built off another religion and it continues down the same path when Jesus and The Bible comes along then of course you must conclude that what is written in The Bible must be a fake because the ones that came before The Bible was written were also fake.
The problem with this line of reasoning is God always existed, he created the universe and everything in it. Just because The Bible was written later does not mean the knowledge did not exist in other forms prior to it being written. Oral Tradition played a major role in passing down information from one generation to the next in ancient times because most of the world was illiterate and there had to be a system in place for knowledge to be passed down. Who is to say that all those other pagan religions didn’t borrow from oral tradition of God and was corrupted by Satan?
Man with the help of Satan took those pagan symbols, traditions, and corrupted the word of God and the teachings of The Bible to spread misinformation. This manipulation and distortion of facts helps undermine peoples belief system to the point where people continually keep fighting each other to pull people away from The Bible and the truth of Jesus. The fact that you and I are having this very discussion is proof of this. You bought in hook line and sinker into Satan’s plan but of course those who believe in Jesus are the delusional ones according to you because your modern facts supersede eyewitness testimony of what happened in the past. The fact that I as a religious person who believes in Jesus posted a video discrediting some religious teachings and holidays is proof that many religious people such as myself see what is really happening behind the scenes we are not all blinded by religious fervor.
Also you have to be willing to find Jesus and seek him out God gave you free will to make the choice you choose not to believe in him so be it. If you get to bring up that god does not exist I have every right to refute that. I am not preaching to you or trying to convert you I am just telling you how it works. I am sure you will be happy in your life without religion again this is MGTOW do as you wish no one person nor God is forcing you to convert or believe in him that is up to you to decide.
Finally, I or any other member here will discuss whatever religion we want here on this sub forum and if we don’t always agree that is cool too but please don’t tell us to “keep thy religion to thyself”. There are many members who are like minded and enjoy these religious discussions (including atheists) this is not a politically correct website and never will be because we are brothers who are a family from all different walks of life where we share our knowledge and understanding of the world and you have the choice to use that knowledge or discard it.
Anonymous14As Can’t Stump Trump already wrote above he made a thread proving of Gods existence found here:
The Bible is an eyewitness account of Jesus existing in the real world.
Ok, fair game then, I just go about these things much differently than some of you guys with religion. You see, as an Atheist with religious friends here I don’t care to s~~~ on their beliefs. You guys however are never quite as polite when it come’s to other’s beliefs.
And Can’tstumpTrump proved there is a god? Which one is it? Zeus? And OH S~~~, HE BETTER GET ON KIMMEL AND FALLON SOON!
Another big f~~~ing problem with most people who have religion, they know very little FACTS about them. Fact- Nothing was written about Jesus during his supposed life. Your “first hand accounts” first showed up, if I recall from research from many years ago, some 30 years or some s~~~ after his supposed death. (these earliest ones may not even be about the same Jesus as there were an estimated 20 other men in the area at the time who met the same criteria) Are you getting this? THIS SUPPOSED MAN WAS SO IMPORTANT THAT NOT A SINGLE THING WAS WRITTEN ABOUT HIM DURING HIS SUPPOSED LIFETIME! Much of Christianity is stolen from previous religions, these religions that came before did not INFILTRATE religions later, the s~~~ was written in from the get go. What you are trying to assert here is assbackwards. You guys though, there is no reasoning with the irrational, like I said, have at it. IT IS ALL MADE UP. The assumptions you guys make at every turn to get to where you are is simply ASTOUNDING.
I guess you missed the part in my last post about Oral Tradition that was how most information was passed down because most people at the time could not read like you and I can today so they had to do it that way you get it now? Click on the link to get a better understanding of how it all worked.
I agree with you that many parts of modern Christianity took pagan customs, holidays, icons, etc and incorporated them into their current system I am not disputing that fact. But where you and I will always disagree is that The Bible itself and Jesus himself came from those pagan religions and is all made up that is not fact and we will continue to go in circles regarding this matter because I have faith and believe in the power of Jesus as my savior. I have a personal connection with him you will never understand until you yourself find him on your own.
Here is a testimony of Walter Veith who was a atheist that created the previous video I posted at the start of this thread. There is a reason why the word faith is used a lot in religion and it is not for the reasons you think. Watch the video when you have the time maybe you will learn something from a self proclaimed atheist that struggled with the same issues we are discussing now.
I have faith and believe in the power of Jesus as my savior. I have a personal connection with him you will never understand until you yourself find him on your own.
Serious Question, I’m not trying to start s~~~, but I am looking for a further explanation/clarification.
If you have a “personal connection” then why do you need “faith” ??
I have a “personal connection” with my: kids, friends, ETC.
Since I have a “personal connection” with them, there is NO need, thought, or desire for faith because I can PROVE that they are real and they exist.
Faith is a strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than PROOF.
A “personal connection” with a God would deem your “faith” irrelevant because the personal connection provides proof of your God.
Wouldn’t it, or am I missing something ???
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I have faith and believe in the power of Jesus as my savior. I have a personal connection with him you will never understand until you yourself find him on your own.
Serious Question, I’m not trying to start s~~~, but I am looking for a further explanation/clarification.
If you have a “personal connection” then why do you need “faith” ??
I have a “personal connection” with my: kids, friends, ETC.
Since I have a “personal connection” with them, there is NO need, thought, or desire for faith because I can PROVE that they are real and they exist.
Faith is a strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than PROOF.
A “personal connection” with a God would deem your “faith” irrelevant because the personal connection provides proof of your God.
Wouldn’t it, or am I missing something ???
Do you love your children? You can tell me you do and show me by hugging them, kissing them, and telling them you love them and I can see you do that but how do I know if what you say and do is genuine? We have seen fathers and mothers kill their own children even though they “loved” them throughout their life to me that is not an act of love. As your friend I would have to have faith that you will always care and love for them even though I don’t know if that will always be the case.
As you continue to live your life you have always had family and friends by your side (although this may not be the case for some people). They are able to be physically present to witness and experience certain events at a specific point in time. But does your friend or family member truly experience everything that you experience while there?
He can turn around for a moment and some hot girl quickly walks up to you and whispers something in your ear and by the time he turns around she has walked away. Now you can tell him what happened and explain to him what she did and said but he never was able to witness that interaction. He now has to trust and have faith in your friendship that you wouldn’t lie to him about that stuff so he believes your story and accepts that you had an experience that he was not able to witness even though he was standing right there beside you.
It is the same thing with Jesus he walks with both you and I everyday yet you don’t want to open yourself up to the possibility that he does exist. Can you imagine someone dying for you on the cross, people witnessing the event and telling you that it happened and then he comes back to life. He proves that he can defeat death people witness this and Jesus goes to heaven to prepare your home for you and while he is doing that as time goes by people with the help of Satan discredit eyewitness testimony of what took place and try to bury what happened through deception in order to keep the power, influence, and fortune that they gained on earth by keeping the masses of people ignorant.
Why does Jesus need to continually die on the cross over and over again just so everyone in the past, present, and future must physically witness it for themselves to believe in what he did for us? Yet atheists continually need physical proof of his existence to substantiate the eyewitness testimony that it took place and that God exists it is right there in The Bible staring you in the face but people choose to ignore it and I know why and deep down you do too.
Remember that friend that was standing by you as the girl walked away and you told him what happened? He tells you that you are full of crap and doesn’t believe you but you know that what took place occurred and you don’t need his validation for proof. It is the same thing for me when I tell everyone that wants to listen that Jesus stands beside me every day. He helps guide me in my life and I feel his love and know that he is a part of me how am I supposed to prove that to you physically? Yes I can’t see him but my personal experiences with Jesus gives me faith that he walks beside me and carries me when I am going through rough times My believe in Jesus is so strong that I will never need physically proof of his existence. For me personally it is knowledge and faith in him combined with eyewitness testimony found in The Bible that Jesus existed on this earth, and continues to spiritually exist by our side today.
Jesus wants you to spiritually find him, he doesn’t need to prove his physical existence to you because he already did. He will not continually die on the cross for you he only needed to do it once now it is up to you to have faith in him of his existence. All you have to do is repent and ask for Jesus to come into your life or not that choice is up to you to decide because God gave you free will.
The same way a father would never want to force his child to love him God doesn’t want to force you to love him you have to come to love him yourself. We see this dynamic play out from brothers on this forum of what their ex wives do to their children. Through deception the mother corrupts the children to the point they begin to hate their fathers even though it is not the truth. Starting to see a pattern here and why I used the red pill analogy? The father cannot force his son or daughter to love them they have to do that on their own by exercising their free will of choice. God is your father and you are his son and if you don’t want to believe in him or love him that is the choice you made not him.
It is easier to ignore that God exists and not be accountable for the actions of your life on earth then it is to find God and let Jesus into your life. You would have to accept that some things in your life need to be changed in order to gain salvation because every human has sinned or continues to sin. No human other than Jesus who was on earth can be like God and be fully rid of sin. I get it and understand people don’t want to be told what they do is sinful and they should be free to do whatever they want without being judged.
I didn’t come here to preach I don’t want to force Jesus onto you I am just trying to explain why I love him so much for what he did for me and why I have faith in him that he does exist. If you call me delusional so be it I really don’t care because I will never need mans validation for my experiences.
Thank you for asking your question Awakened it is appreciated if you or anyone else has any other questions feel free to ask.
Rhino writes;
Some people choose to embrace religion or outright reject it because of the many inconsistencies found in every established religions around the world.Science is full of inconsistencies but no one rejects science as an endeavor to seek the truth of nature.
In addressing your primary assertion in your opening post, Pagan religions have some truth in them. According to Christianity, ALL men are created in the Image of God. Therefore, ancient religions had some of the truth of God because of what they saw in nature and Him who created it.
Christianity asserts that Jesus Christ came from God and is the final authority and foundation as to what is true and false.
Christianity was never afraid of other religions because the Christian assumption is all truth is God’s truth because God is the source of truth.
God bless, Michael
The real religious Red Pill in regards to Christianity is that it is all a myth, a myth which stole most of it’s story from “Pagan” religions that came before it. I am not here to s~~~ on your thread or start a big argument, if we had a section for every known religion in existence and posts were in their correct places I would stay out of it entirely. There can be no Red Pills in something that is made up, oh there may be good lessons in it, but the Red Pill is that it is man made stories stolen from other man made stories. I know I am in the Lion’s Den here as many believe these stories, so be gentle when tearing my corpse apart limb by limb. S~~~, I would not of even posted here if there was no talk of Religion and Red Pill in the same sentence.
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The word, “myth” is an arrogant derogatory term that originated in the last few hundred years. The proper term is “theory” about the origins of life, the universe and man. The greatest “myth” is Atheism in that the overwhelming scientific evidence proves that the universe itself is mathematically impossible. Evolution proves the existence of God just as no one believes that the pyramids in Egypt “evolved” naturally but rather created by an intelligent being. Therefore, the universe, which is trillions of times more complex than the ancient pyramids proves the necessity of an “intelligent designer” i.e. God.
Also, the beginning of civilization contained Religion, government, business and science. And they are all still with us.
God bless, MichaelA lot of people lately have been talking about organized religion and its role in our daily lives. Some people choose to embrace religion or outright reject it because of the many inconsistencies found in every established religions around the world. Everyone has a interpretation of God or lack of one and this confusion has lead many people to doubt their religion or reject it. Could this be by design by the great deceiver known as the dragon in the Book of Revelation?
I came across this video while searching for answers and it opened my eyes to what I have been thinking for some time. Although I believe in God and Jesus there was never really a specific Christian denomination I wanted to be affiliated with because so many reformations have their own different interpretation of The Bible.
This video by Walter Veith looks at the pagan Religion of Babylon and how it has infiltrated every religious group on earth (not only Christianity but Muslims, Hindu, Buddhist, etc.) If you are a devout Catholic there are going to be many red pills in this video that you may not want to see and the same can be said of other religions too. The video is 2 hours long and I encourage everyone even if you are a atheist to watch this and decide for yourself if Walter hit the nail on the head or if he has interpreted things incorrectly.
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I am not here to promote a specific religion or its denomination I am posting this for discussion purposes I look forward to your feedback.
Rhino,
First, by referring to this video you are promoting a specific religion. There is nothing wrong with promoting a specific religion and you should not apologize or assert the truth.
However, your claim that there exist red pill truths for Catholics is false. Remember, that ALL the Early Church Fathers were all Catholic and they knew the apostles and those that knew the apostles. And they ALL believed in many of the dogma or doctrines which the author of the video denies. Remember, Protestantism is only 500 years old and is no more. It is evangelical Christianity. Catholicism is two thousand years old and sprung forth from the Early Church. Once one swallows the red pill of history, one must logically become Catholic.God bless, Michael
However, your claim that there exist red pill truths for Catholics is false. Remember, that ALL the Early Church Fathers were all Catholic and they knew the apostles and those that knew the apostles. And they ALL believed in many of the dogma or doctrines which the author of the video denies. Remember, Protestantism is only 500 years old and is no more. It is evangelical Christianity. Catholicism is two thousand years old and sprung forth from the Early Church. Once one swallows the red pill of history, one must logically become Catholic.
God bless, Michael
I respect what you wrote but to say one must become Catholic for me is wrong and maybe you can prove it otherwise to me. Maybe Can’t Stump Trump will write something on this issue as well to help you but here are the things I cannot reconcile.
Mariology and the Idolatry of Mary Worship.
The stuff in Walter Veith’s video that he discussed along with all the pagan influences present at various Catholic churches found across the globe and at the Vatican. Clear signs that there is Satanism in the Vatican. The Catholic Church may have been pure at one time but man with the help of Satan has corrupted it. I can go on but the list will just be to long.
It looked like this thread was getting derailed for a moment, but goodkid43 seems to have brought it back on topic. Great posts, by the way. Catholicism is the only Christian religion that traces its origins back to Jesus himself. All other Christian religions were founded by men, not by God; so while they may contain some truth, the full truth is only found in God’s Church: the one he himself founded when he said, “You are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church” (Matthew 16:18). Peter was the first pope, and we have a complete list of popes from Peter down to the present day who led the Church after him.
Rhino, the Catholic Church has been slandered by her enemies since her conception. Before anything else, I would caution you not to believe just everything you hear about what the Catholic Church teaches. Unless you can find it in an official statement of dogma produced by the Magisterium itself, don’t assume it’s true.
1. POPE AND THE PAPACY: The link you posted attempts to prove that somehow papal primacy is false because it isn’t found in scripture. Not every Christian doctrine is contained in scripture, nor were they all intended to be. For example, the words “Trinity” and “Purgatory” are nowhere stated in the Bible. The Bible is not the sole source of authority. The two pillars of Catholic teaching are scripture AND TRADITION. Remember that the books of the Bible were compiled by the Catholic Church almost 400 YEARS after Christ at the Council of Rome. To point to a book which the Catholic Church compiled and then use it to disprove the authority of the Catholic Church is self-defeating. If the Catholic Church has no authority, neither does the Bible. Nevertheless, when Jesus said he would build his Church on Peter, that claim was traditionally understood to mean that Jesus gave Peter authority over the Church.
Because the Catholic Church compiled the Bible, it also has the authority to interpret it. This cannot be done by a private individual. Recall what happens when Philip encounters the Ethiopian eunuch studying scripture: “Philip ran up and heard him reading Isaiah the prophet and said, ‘Do you understand what you are reading?’ He replied, ‘How can I, unless someone instructs me?'” (Acts 8:30-31). The eunuch’s response shows that in order to understand Scripture, you need a teacher with the understanding and authority to explain it. That’s why Jesus had apostles who would continue to teach the Gospel after he died. Of course those apostles would eventually die as well, so they needed successors, and so forth. The Catholic Church is led by the successor of Peter, the leader of the apostles, and that’s the pope.
2. PAPAL INFALLIBILITY: Perhaps THE most misunderstood of all the Church’s teachings. I would say even 99% of Catholics if not more don’t even know what their own religion teaches concerning this matter. The Pope is not infallible. There, I said it. Simple as that. If he were, we would all be screwed, considering how many heretical popes we’ve had in our history (including the current one, assuming he really is a pope in the first place). However, that being said, the pope has the ability to make an infallible statement, if he chooses to invoke that authority, about Catholic teaching. This is generally done to clear up some controversial issue about which Catholics cannot agree. In such a case, the Pope’s word is final, and cannot be mistaken. HOWEVER, this power cannot be used lightly. There are several conditions that must apply (from the First Vatican Council):
(a) The Pope must speak ex cathedra (which is Latin for “from the chair,” i.e. of Peter, which essentially means he chooses to speak with the highest level of his authority, and must make clear in his words that he intends to do so).
(b) He must define a doctrine concerning FAITH AND MORALS (so the pope cannot speak infallibly about who will win the baseball game, what the weather will be like, whether global warming is caused by humans, etc.).
(c) He must state that the teaching is to be held by the whole Church.
Here’s an example, the definition of the Immaculate Conception: “We declare, pronounce and define that the doctrine which holds that the Blessed Virgin Mary, at the first instant of her conception, by a singular privilege and grace of the Omnipotent God, in virtue of the merits of Jesus Christ, the Savior of mankind, was preserved immaculate from all stain of original sin, has been revealed by God, and therefore should firmly and constantly be believed by all the faithful” (Pope Pius IX, Ineffabilis Deus).
Notice the explicit language used in the definition. The pope only speaks infallibly when these conditions apply. Many Catholic scholars believe this power has been invoked TWICE in the history of the Church. It’s actually been used at least once more than that, but they don’t like to include the Syllabus of Errors because it teaches so many things that they find offensive. But regardless of who you ask, it is EXTREMELY RARE for the pope to speak infallibly. The mistakes that popes have made and the heretical things they’ve taught do no damage to the teaching of infallibility. The Holy Ghost does not guarantee that the pope will always be right (or even almost always). But he DOES guarantee that the pope has the ability to solve a controversial issue once and for all with an infallible teaching. If God really is involved with his Church and cares about clearing up confusion among the faithful, it makes perfect sense that the pope must have this power; otherwise, the confusion would never be resolved, and the Church would simply split up.
3. MARY WORSHIP: The second most commonly misunderstood teaching of the Catholic Church. I’ll state it simply: CATHOLICS DO NOT WORSHIP MARY. Any Catholic who worships Mary is breaking the first commandment, simple as that. I challenge you to find ONE SINGLE official Church decree that states that Catholics are required (or even permitted) to worship Mary (though I wouldn’t waste my time if I were you: I have great familiarity with all the official Church documents, and the Church doesn’t state this anywhere). The link you posted claims to have “checked its facts,” and yet you may notice it doesn’t post a single quotation or statement from any source whatsoever claiming that Catholics worship Mary: the author simply asserts it and leaves it at that. This is yet another pernicious lie of the devil meant to besmirch the Catholic Church so that well-meaning Christians will view the true Church of God as evil.
So how did this misconception come about? Catholics believe in saints. Saints are holy people who did the will of God in their lifetime and then went to heaven as a reward. Saint are great people; therefore, we honor them. Honoring someone is not idolatry. The 4th Commandment says you should honor your father and mother. So why do we have a prayer to Mary? Read the prayers to Mary, and you’ll see that all her merit comes from the fact that she was OBEDIENT to God and did his will. Honoring Mary is really just one more way of honoring God.
But why do we pray to her? Praying to someone is not idolatry. Prayer is used for four different reasons: (1) Adoration, (2) Requesting Favors, (3) Contrition, (4) Giving thanks. Notice that we request favors from people, apologize to people, and give thanks to people all on a regular basis, and no one calls this idolatry. It makes perfect sense that we would do all these things with saints too, since they are especially holy. When we pray to Mary, we are requesting her intercession with God to grant us a favor, apologizing if we have offended her, or giving her thanks for the great things she did. But we do NOT adore her. That is the one reason for prayer which is reserved for God alone.
4. SATANISM IN THE VATICAN: The Vatican is completely corrupt. It has been ever since John XXIII. Vatican II was a false and heretical council without the true authority of the Church which taught heresy. Every pope since Vatican II (Paul VI, JP I, JP II, Benedict, and especially Jorge) were all heretics, though some may not have realized it (Benedict especially was nowhere near as bad as JP II or Jorge). JP II participated in pagan rituals, allowed priests to sexually abuse their parishioners, prayed in a mosque, and kissed the Koran. I don’t even need to tell you about what Jorge’s done.
But none of this means the Catholic Church is not God’s church: it just means we’ve had bad popes. The pope is elected by men, and therefore, there is no guarantee he will be a good man. We’ve had many bad popes in the past, and we will have more in the future. Peter himself made many mistakes, the most egregious of which was denying Christ three times. If our first Pope denied Christ himself, why should we assume the pope will always be a perfect man?
If you have other questions, or questions about my responses, keep asking: I’ll keep answering.
Women are better at multitasking? Fucking up several things at once is not multitasking.
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