Where are the other 99% of MGTOW Members?

[Puffin StuffParticipant 24979]

In he last year we have seen a 25% increase rating which measures traffic here at MGTOW.com according to ‘Alexa’:

#icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.

[Fundamental_manParticipant 209]

Fundamental_man wrote:

AWALT is often proclaimed here,

C-pig said:

AWALT is true. All you can do is pick which level of crazy you will accept.

You just (intentionally?) made an example of my third point. While we might “see”, that “AWALT”, it is of course not a scientific fact. As this forum is highly US-centric, most board members (which still only represent the tiniest fraction of the society!) will have seen the typical narcissistic US women, the US legal system, the US religious system, courts etc.

It is a bell curve. More then one level and attitude exists!
The scenario is bad in US and much of western Europe, but is better (or worse!) in other parts of the world, with women in other ages, other cultures, different IQ levels etc.

While I do not wholeheartedly buy in to the full blown AWALT statement, it still creates a very important awareness of what to expect and look out for.

As gynocentric Scandinavia might be, there is still basically zero political/economical incentive for a woman to initiate a divorse. Those that still do, lose money, status, must often move to cheaper home/flat (and thereby lose school options for the children) etc.

[Puffin StuffParticipant 24979]

Fundamental_man wrote:

As gynocentric Scandinavia might be, there is still basically zero political/economical incentive for a woman to initiate a divorse. Those that still do, lose money, status, must often move to cheaper home/flat (and thereby lose school options for the children) etc.

When we say AWALT we mean that if you have a case of hand grenades measuring 50, it is likely that one of the fifty will be a dud.

Marriage is the idea that you can find that dud and marry it before you see if it’s live or not. Your gonna have a bad time.

Women in the Anglo-sphere refuse to accept that after you break up the combined income for the family stays the same or goes down, the cost of maintaining two households is nearly double the cost of running one.

Both standards of living are reduced. I could link link’s but I read these a while back.

Women and especially trad-con women are very aware of how much women get after divorce. They even have a metric about who is doing better in the divorce. It’s the kind of car you drive. I have read that the kind of car you drive is the best measure of your financial success at that time. I suppose women wrote the study, conclusion, if you have a nice car I’ll stay with you.

It is clear from the research that women have the nicer car after divorce. Women in the Anglo-sphere get such a good deal that they protect it like hawks and this explains feminism’s frantic attempts to control the divorce policy debate in Anglo-sphere countries.

So this begs the point who is more feminist. Scandinavia where they favor women but don’t seem to hate men or the Anglo-sphere were give lip service to equality but hate men to the marrow of their bones.

#icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.

[revistaParticipant 232]

I dont reply very often to posts on here but i read what people are saying everyday.im just a blue collar bloke from england and probably not as intelligent as some of my brothers on here and my red pill anger as diminished over the years but i observe and still listen to the guys on here.im in monk mode but still need my daily fix of red pills.i have two lads in primary school and see lots of things i could share with my brothers on here but goto confession to make i can reply but dont know how to post a topic.i havent got a pc i just look here on my phone.but thanks to all the contributors on here.i respect you all.

[Anonymous 11]

Fundamental_man wrote:

It is a bell curve. More then one level and attitude exists!

Exactly, they range all the way from the humane, yet emotional ones, to bat s~~~ crazy borderlines. Once a divorce attorney gets involved, look out below! It’s like hitting the Lottery in the US and Canada.

I accept my responsibility for every single thing that I allowed women to extract out of me over the years. It’ll never happen again. They operate in secrecy and most men are ignorant of their tactics.

The shibboleth that women are mysterious is a big lie. I can read them like a children’s book now. They absolutely hate men comparing notes just like roaches hate the light.

[Fundamental_manParticipant 209]

Hey, guys, we are (probably) all on the same side here! I also see the truth for what it is, but my AWALT indicator is more triggered by less family-wrecking traits, like gossiping, back-stabbing, slacking, lying and greed.

Really awful stuff, especially in your workplace, where withdrawal is not an option, but a bit less severe that cheating, no fault divorsing, exclusion of family members or breaking whole sections of extended family apart!

While I do not naïvely belive in NAWALT perfect Unicorns, I still know a small handful of solid, honest and loyal women. However, they are all in their 40s or older…

My point is that if the environment here becomes too bitter, opinionated and “blinders on”, that fact will prevent the participation of men that are curious, philisophical, have generally OK experiences with women rather than being post disaster, burnt for life. (Not blue pillers, but those that see that something is wrong in today’s society.)

As I would personally like to seem them, too, joining our discussions and knowledge sharing, I strive for a less “fundamentalist” mindset and tone of voice.

That is my idea, but I only represent myself, just like other board members do.

It is quite an oxymoron to strive for inclusion and large active community about the subject of breaking up and go your own way. Can we excell at both?

[GregB0Participant]

FunInTheSun wrote:

Maybe they just like to read the articles and watch the videos.

True and this would be actually consistent with a non-active member in my viewpoint. Valuable to the site as these members “could” talk to others about where they obtained their information and direct non-members here. A very valid point to the contributions this member type could offer, one that I had not considered.

BlacqueJacqueShellacque wrote:

F~~~’em. They are active by viewing.

MGTOW.
Thank you for all you do GregBO! Video connecting with others has been one more step into the future for like minded individuals. We’ll, the worker bees, help the younger generation and those who are afraid to speak. Their voices are ours. But … they don’t contribute. But, they read.

As stated above BJS, I had not considered the end result of their reading and educating themselves. This domino effect is very powerful and show to be effective throughout history. Thanks

​"​My father didn't tell me how to live; he lived, and let me watch him do it.​" - Clarence Buddinton Kelland

[GregB0Participant]

Billy&The Cloneasaurus wrote:

I think women will do a fine job of converting these pseudo members. These are dudes in a spot they desperately want out of. They come here for comic relief. They believe what they read here, but they don’t understand it- yet.

Nothing is a better mgtow recruiter than women.

Agreed that the “Enemy of a stranger in need soon makes him a brother” which brings up a future discussion about advertising/marketing/spreading the word about the MGTOW.com site. As women are increasingly active in their efforts against men, that implies that MGTOW.com related “resources” should become more active in promoting their related efforts. Thanks for a great point.

sidecar wrote:

GregB0 wrote:

So what motivates the remaining 99% to remain members,

They f~~~ing well want f~~~ing read the f~~~ing site un-f~~~ing-wordfiltered.

Log out and read this post to see what I mean.

how do we convert them to become active members?

They’ll contribute when they have something to contribute. I lurked forever before signing up.

make MGTOW a stronger, more active site that attracts more members.

Men aren’t attracted to GTOW. We’re driven to it. By feminists and other gynocentrisms.

BlacqueJacque Shellacque wrote:

F~~~’em. They are active by viewing.

They’re active by not marrying, not cohabitating, and not impregnating.

GYOW is defined by what a man doesn’t do, not what he does.

I was unaware of the word filtering for non site members, but do not see this as a real issue. We are all used to work filtering and text message acronyms being used in the pace of standard words. This is the communication realm we live in and won’ change. We mentally have adjusted our information inputs to allow for this conversion to take place.

Hmmm, I had not considered those lurkers who only wanted to join to be part of the group without receiving any value added service. I have only been a member for four months and have not seen any difference in my use of MGTOW since joining besides the ability to post to forums. Thanks for another good point.

How they interact with women currently or in the future is indeed GTOW, but part of the benefit of MGTOW.com is sharing past, current and future life experiences with fellow members. Not sharing their experiences does not impact the person, but does significantly change the dynamic of the site. MGTOW.com will be come a historical site when this happens and cease to have an impact upon social issues that affect men. That would be a detrimental blow to men’s rights.

Anonymous wrote:

And where are the other 25,000 members of this site. It’s only about 100 that are active daily, at least from what i see. KM probably sees more than we do.

Did they just make accounts and not use the site?

Who are these people and where are they?

Thanks for restating my post Venom as the responses have drifted away from the issues just a bit. I had not considered your question about those who created and stopped using their account. A valid question and a root question implied in my post. Why would someone make an account and then not use it? They may have forgotten, but don’t know.

​"​My father didn't tell me how to live; he lived, and let me watch him do it.​" - Clarence Buddinton Kelland

[Fundamental_manParticipant 209]

As you bring it up again, I am sure many persons discover this site, sign up, have their fill of what they need, and then move on.
We served a purpose, and are now a fading image in their rear view mirror, as they keep moving ahead on the road from (family court) hell.

[GregB0Participant]

IRuleMe wrote:

I’m sure there’s a lot of factors involved. There’s probably a bunch who signed up and lurk actively, probably some who signed up and then stopped visiting the site, there’s guys who used to actively post and no longer post, probably guys who came here, didn’t like what they saw and left… None of us will truly know what goes on in the mind of another unless we ask.

And by posting this thread I am asking the question. Another point that I had not considered is that members who have since left seem to have no way to actively have their memberships cancelled. Not that this is something that the site would like to acknowledge as the marketing is always better if a service provider is seen as always growing. Showing a specific membership profile could become a significant issue and liability to MGTOW.com as a whole.

Anonymous wrote:

Another contingent where probably scared off by all of the tuna threads that used to occur regularly. That kind of stuff has a chilling effect. I almost never came back after being labeled a tuna, and boy was I roasted too. So think about that.

Am very glad that you came back and yes, the NFG / GYOW attitude is very reminiscent of frat house hazing and would certainly drive off members. Prospective and current. Most excellent point.

​"​My father didn't tell me how to live; he lived, and let me watch him do it.​" - Clarence Buddinton Kelland

[GregB0Participant]

Neon_Phoenix wrote:

Don’t worry GregBo, im sure they are just being like sponges. Soaking up the knowledge, reading the ’15 Most Recent Posts’ a couple times a day, especially in bed before nodding off for the evening. They may rarely post, if at all, but they signed up for a reason. And just because they don’t post or get involved in discussions frequently, it doesn’t mean they aren’t preaching the knowledge to other men whenever possible in real life. That’s just a hunch, though src=”https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/2.3/svg/1f609.svg” />

You are absolutely correct that the knowledge transfer activity was one I completely missed. This is indeed happening as I remember many conversations I had with PistolPete prior to event looking for MGTOW.com. Would hit myself on the head if I had a big enough solid object handy. Thanks again.

MACHO wrote:

Good Topic GregB0!!

GregB0 wrote:

So what motivates the remaining 99% to remain members, and more importantly how do we convert them to become active members

Why Not Give the Lurkers an Incentive to Post! like for instance after a certain amount of time of not posting anything the forums would automatically start displaying various ads ” prompting them to join the fun and post a reply ” (to any topic) in order to get rid of the said ads! and mixed within those ads could be some google ads to generate some revenue! it may sound silly but if those lurkers are already there reading the various threads it could give them the small nudge needed to help them decide to start posting something. (If one keep repeating the same moves one can’t expect different results !)

Thanks Macho and your advertising suggestion might be something for KM to strongly consider. Lord knows that we are all punished by pop-ups on other sites that we visit and I am sure that KM would find a use for another revenue stream. Great idea.

​"​My father didn't tell me how to live; he lived, and let me watch him do it.​" - Clarence Buddinton Kelland

[HermitParticipant]

Maybe some have tried to contribute, but have been ignored and decided to stop trying. I’m on a motorcycle forums site and for whatever reason, I’ve seen some members ignored so they just stop. Communicating through text only can be difficult to get your point across at times for some people.

I have recently found it interesting that I see the same few people posting on here every day. I am curious as well why that is.

The evil in women’s hearts leaves them no moral bounds as to inhibit them from descending to the lowest levels of darkness to acquire their self entitled desires.

[GregB0Participant]

Jack Harper wrote:

I’ve wondered about this myself. Pretty regular posters and I enjoy everyone’s contributions but you can tell who the regulars are. And there aren’t a ton of us. Where are the other 24,900?

Glad to know that I’m not the only person wondering where the rest of the group went. I do not have the long term perspective that many users have, but I have noticed that some members who were posting heavily in May and June of this year seem to have dropped off the grid. Don’t know if this is a cyclic event or caused by something else.

Thanks for the confirmation

​"​My father didn't tell me how to live; he lived, and let me watch him do it.​" - Clarence Buddinton Kelland

[MonkParticipant 16984]

Fundamental_man wrote:

While I do not wholeheartedly buy in to the full blown AWALT statement, it still creates a very important awareness of what to expect and look out for.

AWALT assumes women to all have the same fundamental nature. It does allow for some variation after that. It’s a range, rather than a fixed point.

Even EWALT should be sufficient to render any relationship too risky.

[GregB0Participant]

OldBill wrote:

GregB0 wrote:

So what motivates the remaining 99% to remain members…

Nothing motivates them to remain, Greg. You and the others are forgetting that there is no easy way to close an account here. You can’t just go to a certain screen, check off a few boxes, and say “Yes” to the usual “Are You Sure?” pop-up. Instead, you have to email Keymaster and request he do it.

All those people are still members here because it’s too much of a bother to cancel your membership here after you sign up.

It’s perhaps the biggest flaw in an otherwise excellently run site.

Thanks OldBill. I have made yet another ‘rookie’ mistake in assuming that the un-subscribe feature was installed and easy to use. I have seen the threads where members have asked to be removed, as well as those where members were trying to have KM remove other members, but had not given it significant thought.

OldBill wrote:

The vast majority of the 99% you mentioned are people who came in, looked around, decided it wasn’t for them, and left never to return. They joined because it’s easy to join and, as sidecar notes, it allows you to read unfiltered posts. When they decide to leave, they can’t cancel their membership without having to email the staff so they don’t even bother. You’re not going to coax participation out of people who never returned after they signed up.

Absolutely correct

OldBill wrote:

As for the small numbers of other inactive members, they fall into three broad categories: Pure Lurkers, Formerly Active, and Lurkers on a Mission.

I lurked for almost two years before joining. I’m sure there are others like me. I’m also sure there are many who just want to read and not participate.

There are also those who have moved on. The site helped them in the past but they don’t need it as much any more if at all.

Finally, there are those who are here to watch us for their own reasons. You can be sure that several BBC memberships were opened during the Reggie Yates fiasco. You can be sure that click bait sites like the Daily Mail or HuffPro have memberships they use when putting together articles as do various freelance writers like C. Brian Smith.

The Southern Poverty Law Center most certainly has a membership or two here as do other organizations that monitor what they label “hate” groups. Women’s Studies departments at various universities have memberships here as do many of the grads and undergrads in their degree programs.

Law firms have accounts here too. Earlier this year, I tipped off Keymaster to an account made in the name of an Australian law firm specializing in divorce. While the account was closed, you can bet an alimony check another by the same firm was reopened under a less conspicuous name.

Finally, wives, ex-wives, girlfriends, ex-girlfriends, and just plain curious women have many accounts here too. A slip of the tongue, snooping on a phone or tablet, and a suggestion by the Hive would send them all here to see what’s going on.

Summing up, well over 95% of your 99% are members because it’s too much of a bother to cancel. The remainder have either left for personal reasons or prefer to lurk for personal reasons. You’re not going to coax more participation out of any of them.

Thank you OldBill for your analysis and thoughtful observations. As a member who joined for a series of minor work relationship reasons, I am unfamiliar with the motivations of “the EX crowd” . I mentioned earlier that I was unaware of the lack of a unsubscribe feature and had not considered that there were users who just left and did not make an effort to delete their account. A PM to KM would have been the minimal effort I personally would have attempted.

An observation I would offer is that active members actually need to be more circumspect in all aspects of posting to the site. Lawyers, Civil Rights Groups, Anti-“fill in the blank” Groups are all certainly looking for information.

Thank you again for another post that educates and mentors me, as well as anyone who happens upon it.

​"​My father didn't tell me how to live; he lived, and let me watch him do it.​" - Clarence Buddinton Kelland

[GregB0Participant]

Well spoken Puffin and Travis. I admit to occasionally posting on a thread without stopping to consider the extent it will be available. The Internet can indeed be a perpetual storehouse of information.

“If you want to keep a secret, you must also hide it from yourself.”
― George Orwell, 1984

​"​My father didn't tell me how to live; he lived, and let me watch him do it.​" - Clarence Buddinton Kelland

[GregB0Participant]

IRuleMe wrote:

Frankly, it baffles me that some of you guys could go 6 months, 2 years, etc lurking. WTF? What on Earth could get you to sit on the sidelines for so long on a site like this? Fear? Laziness? Even if you never replied to another thread, at least post an intro-f~~~ing-duction.

Prior to reading the OldBill and Puffin’s post, I would have mentioned the above thoughts from Macho and IRuleMe.

Having had my MGTOW.com horizons expanded, I can now say that I see the subtle membership nuances that exist and agree that large sectors of Internet consumers visit with absolutely no intention of interacting.

The opportunity cost of joining with out ever becoming involved is much much smaller than the opportunity cost of not joining.

​"​My father didn't tell me how to live; he lived, and let me watch him do it.​" - Clarence Buddinton Kelland

[GregB0Participant]

NerdTunneler wrote:

we return from time to time to help and see how far we have grown…

Nerd, this wold be the best case scenario for the site if inactive members/alumni could be encouraged to stop by for a visit every Blue Moon of three.

Thanks for your wise counsel.

​"​My father didn't tell me how to live; he lived, and let me watch him do it.​" - Clarence Buddinton Kelland

[GregB0Participant]

Secret Agent MGTOW wrote:

Some may just be a timing thing. Maybe they don’t have a lot of free time but come here at irregular times, with a lot of inbetween gap time.

SA MGTOW, Time is the unspoken enemy of us all. Another point that I had not considered when I first posted this thread. Thank you for alerting me to an oft forgotten fact.

​"​My father didn't tell me how to live; he lived, and let me watch him do it.​" - Clarence Buddinton Kelland

[GregB0Participant]

Great comments Freedom and Nerd,

freedom wrote:

it’s just a choice of life

We do not have to do something just because the opportunity exists to do so. Rights should never become commitments.

NerdTunneler wrote:

what is important is there are constant activity here where brothers can express themselves and recuperate…

The fact that there is activity will ensure that there is a reaction. By default, that reaction will cause another chain of reactions to be formed.

ScarberianMPTGL wrote:

then log off for a while and come right back and repeat the process all over again.

But you are active, maybe not frequent certainly active. The fact that you come back allows you to inject new ideas and opinions to those your interact with. This hopefully will start the catalyst for more engagement from members, active, inactive or not yet joined.

​"​My father didn't tell me how to live; he lived, and let me watch him do it.​" - Clarence Buddinton Kelland

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