Whats your thoughts on 911 as a conspiracy theory

[John Woods 13Participant 2855]

If you make statements that are plausible but are not proven, you are a theorist.
If you accept theories before they are proven to be true, you are a believer.
If you do not accept theories or statements because they are either incomplete or they have unreliable sources, you are a skeptic.
If you only believe things that have been proven and that have withstood scutiny and the test of time, you are a realist.
If you are never wrong you are not human.

The answer is NO. “I could but I won’t”. Memini murum!

[BeerParticipant 11832]

You guys even watch the collapse videos? The top of the towers collapse first, from the point of impact up, and its the weight of the top portion of the building collapsing down that pancakes the lower portion. Do you know why this is? Its because gravity pulls it down. What did you guys expect, the base of the building would collapse to the side when the force that hit it was pushing straight down on it? Once that top portion started to fall just think of the difference between holding a 50lb bag of sand and someone dropping a 50lb bag of sand from several stories up and trying to catch it…one is no big deal and the other will probably kill you, or at least f~~~ you up badly. Or stand on the floor…how much force is on your legs if you stand there stiff legged. Now jump off a 6 foot ladder and land stiff legged and let me know how much damage you cause to yourself because the momentary force on your stiff legs on impact is vastly greater than when you are just standing there.

Also if you watch footage of the plane hitting it didn’t just hit the building and stop 3 feet into it…its pretty obvious it caused massive damage nearly instantaneously straight across the building. It wasn’t going to fall like you are cutting down a tree with an axe and make a nice wedge to get it to lean in one direction.

[It’sallbsParticipant]

Beer you are wrong and just believing the official line put out by CNN. The vidence is pretty much overwhelming.

The world is run by 13 families with puppet leaders.

Both the bank of england and federal reserve are private banks owned by the Rothschilds.

All these things that happen are part of an agenda.

The child in the ambulance in Syria-it’s all the Russian the bastards -CNN & BBC
Ever noticed how often teh whit helmets are filmed pulling children out of rubble in immacuately clean clothes with no marks on holding a teady bear?

It’s all propoganda to manipulate your emotions and compassion as a human being to support America aided by Britain in invading another country.

Then what they do is demonise and associate with evil anyone who disagreess with th e propoganda.

My country did this in 1917.

Look at what CNN, BBC et al did during the Trump vs Clinton.

The media are controlled by the cabal who run the world for the good of them not us all.

Hundreds of experts in all kinds of field sya 911 stinks.

Hundreds of scientist have debunked global warming -rebranded to climate change because there was no warming for 18 years. They made fake maps of the ice caps melting -. But still the masses believe and demonise as mad those who say it is bulls~~~.

Wake up man -wake up my friend.

http://www.leavemeansleave.eu

[narwhalParticipant]

I’m with Beer on this one. I’m not going to pretend I’ve studied all the points and counter arguments of both sides, but it seems pretty evident that you can make convincing arguments either way that can be minimized upon closer scrutiny. People tend to believe the information that fits with what they want to believe.

The question I ask myself is, why? If I’m someone in a position of power who wants to create a fake terrorist attack, why do I do it this way? I’m no expert on faking terrorist attacks, but I would think some principles I’d follow are…

– Keep it simple. The more moving parts, the greater chance something could go wrong.
– Minimize the number of people involved. The more people, the more people who could squeal.

So why three targets? That’s three times the chance that you’ll be found out. If you’re a real terrorist though, that’s 3 times the chance of success. You don’t care about being found out.

So why planes? If you need to place additional explosives to get the job done, aren’t you opening yourself up to conspiracy…just like we have now? Where they smart enough to know the planes wouldn’t be enough, but not smart enough to see the exposure it would cause? Of course, if you’re a terrorist, it’s easier to hijack a plane then strategically place bombs around buildings.

Why did you need the building to come down? Why add explosives? The damage from the crash without tumbling buildings would have caused plenty of financial and psychological damage to get the message across.

So why those targets? Again, if planes wouldn’t be enough, then pick targets that would. Why not a stadium full of people? Was an attack on the pentagon enough in itself? Wouldn’t that get your message across?

The terrorists (fake or otherwise) where their stories made up for the media? If not, what was their motivation? Were they paid off to commit suicide?

Seriously, if you’re planning an inside job, this is the plan you’d come up with? You couldn’t come with a simpler, fewer points of failure plan, that gives you the same desired result?

Ok. Then do it.

[John Woods 13Participant 2855]

The man made climate change theory was proven by the climategate email to have indeed been a conspiracy. The purpose for which was to extract money through regulation. There was also scientific proof, in the satelite climate data, and empirical evidence, that showed this theory to be false, since in the last 2 decades we have not seen the warming predicted by the theory.

I do not see how the two are related.

Furthermore, the people who believe that 9/11 was an inside job far outnumber the ones who believe the msm story. 99% of people outside the US believe the US government did it, so you guys are in the majority, if we speak globally. And so are the people who still believe in man made global warming.

Now, the man made global warming was proven wrong, but there are many ‘believers’ who choose to ignore that. Even the ones who pushed it changed the name to Climate Change.

The 9/11 inside job theory however, has not yet been proven false, which is why I remain a skeptic. The msm story also has inconsistencies and many ‘coincidences’ to be fully believable.

But stories aside, there is such a thing as science and physics, the effects of which are predictable and reproducible. I tend to anchor myself in the hard facts of science as opposed to wishfull thinking or well written stories.

The answer is NO. “I could but I won’t”. Memini murum!

[Anonymous 22]

Whether it was the Government or the terrorists, one thing is for sure. Silverstein was a very lucky man! And I’m pretty sure he was happy to see the attacks happen.

http://www.snopes.com/wtc-terrorism-insurance/

[PistolPeteParticipant 27143]

I wasn’t going to comment further BUT: On the issue of melting metal and structural collapse. As I said I’m not an engineer but I am a gunsmith. And one thing we do is called bolt bending. This involves heating the steel of a bolt handle, making it soft enough to bend down. Obviously the bolt handle is steel—does fire heat it sufficiently to allow it to bend? NO not even close. In fact to heat it to the point of bending it must be made red hot—using a blow torch. Does the burning jet fuel reach the temperature of a blow torch? NOPE! NOT NEVER!

[BeerParticipant 11832]

John Woods 13 wrote:

But stories aside, there is such a thing as science and physics, the effects of which are predictable and reproducible. I tend to anchor myself in the hard facts of science as opposed to wishfull thinking or well written stories.

Lol, if this were true you’d understand why there was no need for strategically placed explosives to bring the buildings down. Look at the relationship between the strength of various metals and temperature…

Stainless steel and structural steel both start losing significant strength at 400C(750F). The average house fire burns at 1100F, and jet fuel even hotter than that. The heating steel would have failed long before it liquified.

Just curious…since you like hard facts of science so much…do you deny that metal support structures wouldn’t have to actually melt to fail?

[John Woods 13Participant 2855]

I’m with Narwhal on this one.

The answer is NO. “I could but I won’t”. Memini murum!

[John Woods 13Participant 2855]

Hey Beer, hold the friendly fire bro! You got the wrong guy here, lol.
It was Pete who postulated the steel bending example, not me. I was just about to respond to him using some science too, like you did.

Ha ha. Come on guys, this is interesting. We might all learn something today.

The answer is NO. “I could but I won’t”. Memini murum!

[BeerParticipant 11832]

PistolPete wrote:

I wasn’t going to comment further BUT: On the issue of melting metal and structural collapse. As I said I’m not an engineer but I am a gunsmith. And one thing we do is called bolt bending. This involves heating the steel of a bolt handle, making it soft enough to bend down. Obviously the bolt handle is steel—does fire heat it sufficiently to allow it to bend? NO not even close. In fact to heat it to the point of bending it must be made red hot—using a blow torch. Does the burning jet fuel reach the temperature of a blow torch? NOPE! NOT NEVER!

You don’t have to heat steel at all to bend it…heating it just makes it easier.

This dudes bending 5/8 inch unheated steel without even using any tools. How thick are the bolts you bend?

[RusskyParticipant 13503]

Sure, jet fuel could soften the beams
but could it soften them in one second???
(because that’s how long the jet fuel fire lasted)

proud carrier of the 'why?' chromosome

[MeisterParticipant 2093]

Beer wrote:

PistolPete wrote:

I wasn’t going to comment further BUT: On the issue of melting metal and structural collapse. As I said I’m not an engineer but I am a gunsmith. And one thing we do is called bolt bending. This involves heating the steel of a bolt handle, making it soft enough to bend down. Obviously the bolt handle is steel—does fire heat it sufficiently to allow it to bend? NO not even close. In fact to heat it to the point of bending it must be made red hot—using a blow torch. Does the burning jet fuel reach the temperature of a blow torch? NOPE! NOT NEVER!

You don’t have to heat steel at all to bend it…heating it just makes it easier.

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This dudes bending 5/8 inch unheated steel without even using any tools. How thick are the bolts you bend?

Dude …

All I’m gonna say is: Building 7

Notice the classic dent on top, caused by blowing the main supporting beams first – signature of controlled demolitions.

And no plane hit this building …

And no, the other two didn’t collapse from planes hitting them.
The chances of two towers pancaking in such a neat fashion is pretty much zero.

Combined with
the facts about building 7,
terrorist always conveniently leaving their passports at the crime scenes (NY, Paris, Berlin),
the Bin Laden families history,
the fact that the CIA founded ISIS,
and Al Quaida,
and countless other “coincidences”,

you have to be a real dimwit to believe the MSM propaganda at this point.

Monk

[PistolPeteParticipant 27143]

Typical bolt handle is 3-4 inches long half an inch thick. I’d like to see the muscle boy above bend that! I also have a piece of rolled steel 3 feet long and 1/4 inch thick and I can bend that too, and I’m an old out of shape fat boy.

I’m just saying—I’ve never seen a metal kerosene heater melt down from burning kerosene.

Also on the issue of pancaking–I agree as things fall the force increases proportionally due to it s speed and weight BUT when such an object encounters resistance it flattens out and move where there is less resistance not more, and the video doesn’t show the building expanding outward but rather going straight down.

[MeisterParticipant 2093]

PistolPete wrote:

Typical bolt handle is 3-4 inches long half an inch thick. I’d like to see the muscle boy above bend that! I also have a piece of rolled steel 3 feet long and 1/4 inch thick and I can bend that too, and I’m an old out of shape fat boy.

I’m just saying—I’ve never seen a metal kerosene heater melt down from burning kerosene.

Also on the issue of pancaking–I agree as things fall the force increases proportionally due to it s speed and weight BUT when such an object encounters resistance it flattens out and move where there is less resistance not more, and the video doesn’t show the building expanding outward but rather going straight down.

Of course they wouldn’t. They would tip over to the side.
And that is unlikely too.

In similar incidents of planes hitting buildings, the buildings never collapsed.

It takes months of preparation to pancake buildings in that fashion.

Again:
The chances of them pancaking by chance is infinitely small.

The fact that there seem to be millions of brainwashed zombies believing that nonsense explanation is just another reason to be a misanthropist.

Monk

[PistolPeteParticipant 27143]

I agree with you Meister, but I respect Beer’s opinion even if I disagree with him.

[narwhalParticipant]

John Woods 13 wrote:

Furthermore, the people who believe that 9/11 was an inside job far outnumber the ones who believe the msm story. 99% of people outside the US believe the US government did it, so you guys are in the majority, if we speak globally. And so are the people who still believe in man made global warming.

Huh? I’ve never looked at stats about this, but that doesn’t seem right to me. 99% think it was an inside job? If that were true, it would be big news.

As for global warming, it seems that the majority of the people, including the science community believe in global warming.

But whatever, opinions don’t make the truth.

Ok. Then do it.

[John Woods 13Participant 2855]

Well, maybe not 99%, but I was talking about people outside the US. And most people outside the US are biased against americans and America and will believe whatever supports that bias.
And don’t get me wrong, I’m not a fan of the US government either, it’s just that I don’t immediately equate anything Americam with ‘Evil Imperialism’ like many others do.

The answer is NO. “I could but I won’t”. Memini murum!

[MeisterParticipant 2093]

narwhal wrote:

John Woods 13 wrote:

Furthermore, the people who believe that 9/11 was an inside job far outnumber the ones who believe the msm story. 99% of people outside the US believe the US government did it, so you guys are in the majority, if we speak globally. And so are the people who still believe in man made global warming.

Huh? I’ve never looked at stats about this, but that doesn’t seem right to me. 99% think it was an inside job? If that were true, it would be big news.

It is ‘big news’.

Over the past 15 years the internet has been buzzing with this topic.

I’ve known many, many people outside the US.
I’ve never met a person in real life who didn’t think the US government was behind 9/11.

Monk

[PuniShredderParticipant 2268]

Dude why the f~~~ are you trying to convince each other of anything? You know what you know or you don’t know what you don’t know. However no one else knows. I studied the subject so extensively for so many thousands of hours over so many f~~~ing years that there’s holes the size of Jupiter and every single purported “fact” that the mainstream has put out. A child could come to the conclusion that this entire f~~~ing story is bulls~~~ if they looked into it for a week. Anyone who’s taking physics in college will come to the conclusion that it’s bulls~~~ because it’s not possible. Every single aspect of this bulls~~~ story is implausible at best. This is obvious to anyone has looked into it. It was obvious to me watching the buildings fall at almost freefall speed and also having worked with plastic explosives in the military.

Go to architects and engineers for 911 truth and start reading if you are a denier. If you don’t want to fine it’s your life MGTOWS!!! Enjoy

Be professional be polite but always have a plan to kill everyone you meet.

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