Whats your thoughts on 911 as a conspiracy theory

[BeerParticipant 11832]

Anonymous wrote:

You can’t be serious. Every day, many Americans are killed by other Americans.

If you put 20 Americans in a room and said alright fellas…here is the deal…we are going to murder 3000 people and use it as an excuse(which we don’t really even need) to go to war…you don’t think there would be a single whistle blower?

It also spanned over two administrations when you take into account all the time it took to plan and execute. If Bush did it as an excuse to go to war its pretty god damn impressive how he got the ball rolling before he was even elected or had any federal authority at all. Or do you think the Clinton administration got it started when he was president and the Bush administration just went along with it because hey, what the hell, it seemed like a good idea, right?

And furthermore, none of the pilots were Americans. If we were over in the Middle East recruiting suicide pilots to give us an excuse to go to war with their home land…you don’t think we would have encountered a single whistle blower over there. Honestly how f~~~ing stupid could they have made our government look if we had some guy come forward with a bunch of evidence that the US government paid his brother a bundle of money to fly a plane into the WTC? If they wanted to disrupt American society I think that would have caused a hell of a lot more chaos doing that than the handful of beheading and other propaganda videos they have released.

[bladeParticipant]

I will say it again . Watch this .

LOOSE CHANGE part two.

THE PLANTATION HAS NOW TURNED INTO THE KILLING FIELDS . WOMAN ARE NOW ROLLING CAMBODIAN STYLE .

[Anonymous 22]

Beer wrote:

tommi190 wrote:

You can’t be serious. Every day, many Americans are killed by other Americans.

If you put 20 Americans in a room and said alright fellas…here is the deal…we are going to murder 3000 people and use it as an excuse(which we don’t really even need) to go to war…you don’t think there would be a single whistle blower?

It also spanned over two administrations when you take into account all the time it took to plan and execute. If Bush did it as an excuse to go to war its pretty god damn impressive how he got the ball rolling before he was even elected or had any federal authority at all. Or do you think the Clinton administration got it started when he was president and the Bush administration just went along with it because hey, what the hell, it seemed like a good idea, right?

And furthermore, none of the pilots were Americans. If we were over in the Middle East recruiting suicide pilots to give us an excuse to go to war with their home land…you don’t think we would have encountered a single whistle blower over there. Honestly how f~~~ing stupid could they have made our government look if we had some guy come forward with a bunch of evidence that the US government paid his brother a bundle of money to fly a plane into the WTC? If they wanted to disrupt American society I think that would have caused a hell of a lot more chaos doing that than the handful of beheading and other propaganda videos they have released.

Look Beer, you bring up some valid points here. But, don’t you think there are quite a few ‘strange’ coincidences there? I don’t even know where to start but I’m sure you know all of them already.

First, how the the hell did Silverstein know there is going to be a terror attack?

The whistle blowers would be dead if they ever said anything.

But in the Middle East what evidence would they even have? The ‘evidence’ would simply be dismissed as nonsense.

[BeerParticipant 11832]

Anonymous wrote:

Look Beer, you bring up some valid points here. But, don’t you think there are quite a few ‘strange’ coincidences there? I don’t even know where to start but I’m sure you know all of them already.

No…I really don’t. I mean…you probably think Silverstein made a fortune off blowing up the WTC…but the fact is the insurance pay out was less than it cost to rebuild. Or maybe it was unheard of that he had terrorism insurance, even though the WTC had been hit by terrorists in the past and had terrorism insurance on it in the past as well. It would have been more profitable for him to just operate it and collect rental revenue…wonder how much he lost in the last 15 years by not being able to rent out all that square footage worth of commercial space in one of the most expensive cities in the world…but hey, some moron said he made money off it so it must be true!

I mean…what went on here…did the government set this up and were just kind enough to notify Silverstein ahead of time? I mean…f~~~ all the other people that died and lost a boatload of money, let’s just give this one guy a heads up, because hey, why not? Oh yeah and let’s hope he doesn’t blow the whistle on it.

Plus the guys a jew. If he benefited so greatly from this in some way I’m unaware of…why do you think some Muslim extremists who hate Jews would have been so eager to kill themselves to help make a Jew some money?

Anonymous wrote:

First, how the the hell did Silverstein know there is going to be a terror attack?

Are you a mind reader? Sometimes people get lucky. Its not a very convincing argument that the guy wasn’t in his office at the time of his attack so clearly he knew. Hell I know an engineer who was supposed to be on the USS Thresher during its deep dive trials but he ended up getting sick and they sent someone else out instead of him. Everyone on board died when it sunk. Do you think that guy knew it was going to sink? I don’t. Sometimes things just happen…not everything in a conspiracy.

[LookAfter#1Participant 352]

I will say it again . Watch this .

LOOSE CHANGE part two.

The point I’m getting at is who’s to say any of that documentary is accurate, true, unbiased ?

video makers on YouTube are not infallible.

I’ve never met a person in real life who didn’t think the US government was behind 9/11.

Oh, that must make the conspiracy theory true then ?

[LookAfter#1Participant 352]

You can’t be serious. Every day, many Americans are killed by other Americans.

Give me one example where an entire team were ordered by their boss to knowingly kill 2996 of their own people and they all went along with it without question and not one person in that team talked about it afterwards? Or no record of events?

During ww2 even high-ranking Wehrmacht officers were no afraid to stand up, speak out and condemn the stupid decisions.

As for threats to whistleblowers, nothing stopped Assange and Snowden from talking.

[Anonymous 22]

Beer wrote:

Plus the guys a jew. If he benefited so greatly from this in some way I’m unaware of…why do you think some Muslim extremists who hate Jews would have been so eager to kill themselves to help make a Jew some money?

That’s just it. It does not make any sense at all that a bunch of ‘radical muslims’ would commit a terrorist attack to make him rich.

Beer wrote:

Are you a mind reader? Sometimes people get lucky. Its not a very convincing argument that the guy wasn’t in his office at the time of his attack so clearly he knew. Hell I know an engineer who was supposed to be on the USS Thresher during its deep dive trials but he ended up getting sick and they sent someone else out instead of him. Everyone on board died when it sunk. Do you think that guy knew it was going to sink? I don’t. Sometimes things just happen…not everything in a conspiracy.

No, I’m not a mind reader. I was just wondering if Silverstein was a mind reader. But yeah, maybe that guy was just very lucky.

[LookAfter#1Participant 352]

That’s just it. It does not make any sense at all that a bunch of ‘radical muslims’ would commit a terrorist attack to make him rich.

And there’s much easier ways to make some money. Why go to all that trouble.

I’m no expert (neither are the conspiracy theorists) but I can’t imagine it’s that easy and straightforward to bring down such a building

[BeerParticipant 11832]

PistolPete wrote:

Typical bolt handle is 3-4 inches long half an inch thick. I’d like to see the muscle boy above bend that! I also have a piece of rolled steel 3 feet long and 1/4 inch thick and I can bend that too, and I’m an old out of shape fat boy.

My point in posting that was you don’t need heat to bend steel. Some guys on here are completely discounting the damage the jet did to the structure. If that kid could bend a long skinny piece of steel with his hands, and an I-beam is basically just a long skinny piece of steel…the force of the jet hitting the side of them would have cause tremendous damage to the structure of that building even before the fires started, which further weakened it.

Besides those bolts you bend could be bent with no heat as well…anything is going to yield if enough force at the right angle is applied to it…its just like I said before…heating them is going to weaken them and make them a hell of a lot easier to bend.

PistolPete wrote:

I’m just saying—I’ve never seen a metal kerosene heater melt down from burning kerosene.

What does this have to do with anything lol. I’ve been saying all along anyhow the beams never had to get hot enough to melt before they’d fail.

But regardless…let me know when you figure out why a propane grill isn’t as hot as a propane cutting torch, or why a Bic lighter with butane in it isn’t as hot as a butane torch. Or hell…how can you have any kind of cutting torch that can burn through steel but doesn’t melt itself first?

PistolPete wrote:

Also on the issue of pancaking–I agree as things fall the force increases proportionally due to it s speed and weight BUT when such an object encounters resistance it flattens out and move where there is less resistance not more, and the video doesn’t show the building expanding outward but rather going straight down.

Well…two things. From the perspective of the falling top portion, the resistance offered by each floor was simply not enough to stop or redirect it. Think of smashing an empty soda can with a large sledgehammer…does the sledgehammer just keep going down til the ground stops it or does it deflect off the top of the can?

Second…from the perspective of the bottom portion, sky scrapers are mostly hollow. It had plenty of open space inside itself to collapse straight down, plus it had a basement it filled. It left a bigger footprint collapsed than it had while standing, but it really had no reason to blow out to the sides until it had formed pretty much a solid pile of debris on the ground.

[BeerParticipant 11832]

Anonymous wrote:

That’s just it. It does not make any sense at all that a bunch of ‘radical muslims’ would commit a terrorist attack to make him rich.

So what is your theory then…that the government tipped Silverstein off and he was just like meh…kill 3000 people and blow up billions of dollars worth of my property which will be a net loss for me in the long run, I don’t care, I’ll just make sure I have a “doctors appointment” that day? What made Silverstein so special that they could kill 3000 people without giving a s~~~…but this one guy…let’s risk the whole operation just to let this one guy in on the secret and hope he doesn’t tell anyone else!

I’m just not a conspiracy theorists on 9/11 because I’ve yet to hear a good conspiracy theory that even makes any sense lol.

[Anonymous 22]

Beer wrote:

So what is your theory then…that the government tipped Silverstein off and he was just like meh…kill 3000 people and blow up billions of dollars worth of my property which will be a net loss for me in the long run, I don’t care, I’ll just make sure I have a “doctors appointment” that day? What made Silverstein so special that they could kill 3000 people without giving a s~~~…but this one guy…let’s risk the whole operation just to let this one guy in on the secret and hope he doesn’t tell anyone else!

I’m just not a conspiracy theorists on 9/11 because I’ve yet to hear a good conspiracy theory that even makes any sense lol.

No theory at all. Just pointing out some of the strange coincidences. It’s all speculation.

[SunStormParticipant 1277]

There was actually a drill taking place. Most people who allowed this to happen thought they were taking part in a drill. Only a very small group of people knew what was really happening.

Same thing happened in London on the 7th July 2005.

Once the drill has gone ‘live’ people involved don’t know what’s real and what isn’t.

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