Religion is for sheep

[AutoliteParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

How many preachers have to get exposed before people figure it out. When I was at “Jesus Camp” there were a lot of people like this.

Yeah, Gortner was a real slime ball but you gotta give him credit for fessing-up. That really took some guts. The “Marjoe” documentary apparently won some sort of award when it came out but it also evidently got Gortner some death threats too…

[AutoliteParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

…and I didn’t even mention all the kiddie f~~~ers involved in Religion, but I think everyone with eyes to see and ears to hear knows about that.

Yeah, there’s little point in underscoring the obvious. It’ll only get you branded as a “hater”.

Do you remember Peter Popoff? He did a ‘faith healing’ shtick too but was exposed by James Randi…

[bladeParticipant]

Autolite wrote:

Heavicidal wrote:

…and I didn’t even mention all the kiddie f~~~ers involved in Religion, but I think everyone with eyes to see and ears to hear knows about that.

Yeah, there’s little point in underscoring the obvious. It’ll only get you branded as a “hater”…

It didnt bother me that time bro when you put those pics up . I found it funny as f~~~ to be honest . Lol

THE PLANTATION HAS NOW TURNED INTO THE KILLING FIELDS . WOMAN ARE NOW ROLLING CAMBODIAN STYLE .

[Cú ChulainnParticipant 3910]

I am religious, and I don’t think I’m a sheep.

[JVBParticipant]

A man who hates religion is a fool who hates himself. A man who is indifferent to religion is a man adrift. A man who loves religion and practices it is true to his masculine nature and blossoms as a man.

Says who ?

Peace is > piece.

[Anonymous 1]

Autolite wrote:

Do you remember Peter Popoff? He did a ‘faith healing’ shtick too but was exposed by James Randi…

Yes, I remember my Mom used to watch him on TV all the time. Being a Con Man pays big bucks and history shows that it ALWAYS did. It doesn’t matter how many times they get exposed either, the sheep will always keep coming back for more. I have realized the truth. The Sheep want to be Conned, they want to believe The LIE.

[Cú ChulainnParticipant 3910]

When the atheists come up with a satisfactory answer to the nature of the unknown I’ll renounce my faith.

Until then its a case of You know nothing Jon Snow.

[Anonymous 1]

Cú Chulainn wrote:

When the atheists come up with a satisfactory answer to the nature of the unknown I’ll renounce my faith.

Until then its a case of You know nothing Jon Snow.

The satisfactory answer is that it is Unknown. I know nothing, but I am aware that I know nothing. The ones, who claim to know everything are the ones collecting the $$$. Its just show business for them.

[The man in the mountainParticipant 4102]

I don’t have a religion, my philosophy is loving-kindness, i do gravitate more into Buddhism and Hinduism because from the practical stand point it makes sense to me, a religion is something you should be able to test and see that what it says it is the true and not repeated dogma.

Quote from Zen Master Dogen:

‘Truth is perfect and complete in itself. It is not something newly discovered; it has always existed’

[Cú ChulainnParticipant 3910]

Not every priest or minister is a hustler, I’d guess there’s more decent people INSIDE religious institutions than outside of them. But I don’t deal in absolutes, or stereotypes, because I see no clash of interests in being both a rational thinker AND a man of faith.

To call 1 billion Catholics, as an example, sheep, is incredibly insulting. Not to me, I’m not arsed, you’re free to insult whomever.

The Church is a venerated institution that is over two thousand years old. For the vast majority of those years the majority of people had faith and led traditional lives.

In our Godless present we now have the lunatics running the asylum. How long do you think feminism would have lasted under Charles V?

The Church brings order, the family, love of ones neighbour, charity, humility, duty, together into a cohesive unity. Now that its no longer important in our secular times things have gone to rat s~~~. Look at the red pill rage on the main forum. We are in deep trouble, and part of that in my opinion is that we have lost faith, anything goes, and it does. Femen attack churches naked with paint or menstrual blood in Orthodox Russia. Who’s the sheep?

Something as large as the Catholic Church is going to have corruption, criminals etc within its ranks, just as society as a whole is so afflicted. You can’t blame a whole institution on some rotten apples. Christianity and the christian way of life made the modern world. Its history is rich, bloody at times, but it advanced the world. Now its all a big joke, but its not as big a joke as our civilization right here, right now. This forum only exists because of the rage at our supposedly enlightened times. Secularism unchecked is decay and dissolution, and f~~~ing bats~~~ feminism.

God is unknowable, and I’ll be honest I have a hard time reconciling the harsh Jewish God of the Old Testament. But I believe Jesus was a historical person and that he was divine. And even if it is all hokum, if you live a life set by His example in the Gospel, you’d be a pretty stand up guy.

I’m no proselytizer, and I respect all opinions but I do admit SOME atheists have a smug condescension when it comes to discussing religion. I don’t know many Catholic feminists, I think my faith isn’t misplaced at all. I think I’m on the right side.

[Anonymous 1]

Cú Chulainn wrote:

Not every priest or minister is a hustler, I’d guess there’s more decent people INSIDE religious institutions than outside of them.

No doubt, I have met some very good Catholic Priests in my time. I have only met one pedophile (that I know of). A few bad apples can ruin the whole bunch though. Look at how Germany got blamed for Hitler. It’s hard to reconcile, when the top leaders of an organization are the most corrupt. Lots of well meaning people at the bottom level. We had a very good Pope, John Paul I, he tried to be like Jesus. He was murdered after 33 days. Thats what happens when a good Christian tries to do right in a corrupt organization.

Cú Chulainn wrote:

if you live a life set by His example in the Gospel, you’d be a pretty stand up guy.

I think everyone can agree with that.

[AutoliteParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

Cu Chulainn wrote:

if you live a life set by His example in the Gospel, you’d be a pretty stand up guy.

I think everyone can agree with that.

Yeah, that’s true enough. Except maybe for stoning to death disobedient kids or that guy who burned his daughter alive as a promise to god. I don’t think I can really get on-board with everything that the bible is telling us…

[AutoliteParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

Yes, I remember my Mom used to watch him on TV all the time. Being a Con Man pays big bucks and history shows that it ALWAYS did. It doesn’t matter how many times they get exposed either, the sheep will always keep coming back for more. I have realized the truth. The Sheep want to be Conned, they want to believe The LIE.

My dad used to send money to televangelists like Rex Humbard.
Even as a little kid, it just seemed to me that there was something a little f~~~ed-up about that. To me, it just looked like one big ‘for profit’ entertainment show.

I really think that dad though he was buying his way into heaven…

[AutoliteParticipant]

Cú Chulainn wrote:

Not every priest or minister is a hustler,

Heh, heh…

I’m reminded of a discussion I once had with a buddy’s wife. She was all into psychics and fortune tellers. She was a big really fan of the television psychic John Edward.

I tried explaining to her that what Edward was doing was just an act. I told her what ‘cold reading’ was and explained to her how it was done. After an exhaustive conversation she finally relented and admitted that what Edward does was just an elaborate parlor trick and nothing more.

However, she concluded by saying that what all the other ‘psychics’ were doing was “FOR REAL”…

[Cú ChulainnParticipant 3910]

Autolite wrote:

Heavicidal wrote:

Cu Chulainn wrote:

if you live a life set by His example in the Gospel, you’d be a pretty stand up guy.

I think everyone can agree with that.

Yeah, that’s true enough. Except maybe for stoning to death disobedient kids or that guy who burned his daughter alive as a promise to god. I don’t think I can really get on-board with everything that the bible is telling us…

None of that is in the life of Jesus as described in the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. You’re thinking about the Old Testament, I mentioned I have reservations about that. Faith isn’t always blind, a Christian seeks values in the life and teaching of Christ. Jesus told his disciples to suffer (put up with) little children to come to him, because the Kingdom of God belongs to them, the truly innocent. He never said burn or stone them.

[Cú ChulainnParticipant 3910]

Autolite wrote:

Cu Chulainn wrote:

Not every priest or minister is a hustler,

Heh, heh…

I’m reminded of a discussion I once had with a buddy’s wife. She was all into psychics and fortune tellers. She was a big really fan of the television psychic John Edward.

I tried explaining to her that what Edward was doing was just an act. I told her what ‘cold reading’ was and explained to her how it was done. After an exhaustive conversation she finally relented and admitted that what Edward does was just an elaborate parlor trick and nothing more.

However, she concluded by saying that what all the other ‘psychics’ were doing was “FOR REAL”…

I agree, psychics are fraudsters. Jesus said beware of false prophets.

[AutoliteParticipant]

Cú Chulainn wrote:

I’m no proselytizer, and I respect all opinions but I do admit SOME atheists have a smug condescension when it comes to discussing religion.

Atheists are too often unfairly bashed as being ‘arrogant’ for their claim that god isn’t real. Yet no one has ever been accused of “smug condescension” for claiming that ‘2+2=4′.
And both claims are equally valid. It’s not the Atheists’ fault that Theists are just unable to figure this out…

[wyrParticipant 591]

Autolite wrote:

However, she concluded by saying that what all the other ‘psychics’ were doing was “FOR REAL”

Logic and reason are usually ineffective when someone has an emotional attachment to an idea or ideology.

Emotional attachment to the ideology makes it personal. When it is criticized it feels like a personal attack even though it isn’t. People get offended or insulted and double down on their beliefs because they’re defensive.

This is why indoctrination is vital to religions. Creating an emotional attachment using love or fear, you make ideas personal.

It’s the same with feminism. Criticism is seen as a personal attack. You become the harasser merely by disagreeing.

Self-improvement is my religion. Sovereignty is my god.

[AutoliteParticipant]

Cú Chulainn wrote:

None of that is in the life of Jesus as described in the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. You’re thinking about the Old Testament, I mentioned I have reservations about that. Faith isn’t always blind, a Christian seeks values in the life and teaching of Christ. Jesus told his disciples to suffer (put up with) little children to come to him, because the Kingdom of God belongs to them, the truly innocent. He never said burn or stone them.

Yeah, well, I’m sure that I could find ‘value’ or examples to be followed in the lives of Charles Manson or Idi Amin too if cherry picking is allowed…

[wyrParticipant 591]

We have a need to make sense of the universe. Sometimes we get it right, like with technology, medicine, etc. Sometimes we get it wrong, like with pseudoscience, cults, etc.

It’s uncomfortable, at least initially, to admit ignorance. However, accepting that we’re ignorant is key to intellectual integrity.

Self-improvement is my religion. Sovereignty is my god.

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