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This topic is the epitome of my life conundrum. As a boy I started out observing female nature and abhorring it. Then my hormoney kicked in and I found myself insatiably craving the enemy. Loving them and hating them. Unquenchably listing my entire adult life. Striving to be desired by them. Building myself into what society says I should be. Tall, muscular, successful, brave,and yes a bad boy. ALL TO NO F~~~ING AVAIL!! Hot or not, they only wanted me for what I could give them. I am forced to agree with the red pill because I can no longer deny what I’ve seen and experienced with women. They are all the same. Some less,some more so. I’m 52, in great shape, moderately wealthy (even after divorce rape) and horny as all f~~~! This topic illustrates men’s supreme frustration and agony. To now know that women actively use this in such accute ways is sometimes more than bearable. The only choice that we have now is to go our own way. Perhaps there is much we can learn from those 15th century barbarians that we are fighting. Since going mgtow, I have had some understanding and empathy for them. In the end it is all very sad, yet liberating. Excellent comments my brothers! Much respect!
For in much wisdom is much grief, and he who increases knowledge increases sorrow.
When you jump in a pool, you get wet. When you say pussy/sex has zero leverage over you, you are in denial.
Shaming language would be to tell you can’t get laid. To not get laid because you have managed to re-code your biology and animalistic instincts strictly on your observations of how society functions is impossible.
I’d clarify – whether you act on it or not is not what I am debating here. The indifference on the surface doesn’t mean peace and quiet in a man’s inner world when a hot tail is ready for meat.
So let me ask you this, when you say ‘F~~~ this idea that they control us with their pussy’ .. what are you implying exactly?
Because pussy controls men at biological level. Each one of us. The struggle is to overrule the instinct with intellect and reasoning.
And this is just Wrong. The debate is about who has a higher sex drive. Not whether or not Men get a hard on when they see a Woman. Food is a better example. I never said Men don’t have sex drives which is why that Pool example is wrong. I said they aren’t dominated by them like Women. It’s like Chocolate Cake. I love Chocolate Cake, I get cravings to eat Chocolate Cake. But Chocolate Cake doesn’t control me just bc I want it. Right now I’ve only eaten 600 calories today.
Bolded: No it doesn’t. Not like Women:
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2009/jun/05/women-victims-d-day-landings-second-world-war
Women will betray even themselves for the Largest Dick again and again. Men will not betray themselves for Pussy again and again. Why? Bc Women have higher sex drives which has been proven by recent scientific discoveries: https://www.theatlantic.com/sexes/archive/2013/06/turns-out-women-have-really-really-strong-sex-drives-can-men-handle-it/276598/
He who is Brave is Free - Seneca
Brother shaming tactic are bad. They have no room to debate on. It’s refuge for the weak. But calling someone a tuna with its well-established rep around here, is poisoning the well.
You are not listening to me. That is not Eric. Someone has hijacked his account.
I was thinking along the same lines, I don’t think it sounded like him exactly. The vibes were a bit off
He who is Brave is Free - Seneca
Anonymous18The debate is about who has a higher sex drive. Not whether or not Men get a hard on when they see a Woman.
No bro. My OP wasn’t about who has more sexual drive. You could re-read it and I would pose: Who gets exploited more for having a basic human need to desire sex?
I said they aren’t dominated by them like Women.
Women are dominated by what exactly? Their sex drives? A woman cheating on her husband with a co-worker does so because its more fun than going home and sucking her husband. Her actions have no consequences. She will get rewarded with the house and cash. Sometimes for her entire lifetime.
Women act out their sexual desires because feminine imperative of alpha f~~~s (in her 20s) and beta bucks (in her 30s) are optimized. In today’s age female sexual strategy has come to full fruition. Cucks are waiting to be made.
That is why mgtow is here.
No bro. My OP wasn’t about who has more sexual drive. You could re-read it and I would pose: Who gets exploited more for having a basic human need to desire sex?
Except you posted disagreement in response to my response to Eric who did claim that Men have higher sex drives, refuting my claim. That was where we started sparring.
Women are dominated by what exactly? Their sex drives? A woman cheating on her husband with a co-worker does so because its more fun than going home and sucking her husband. Her actions have no consequences. She will get rewarded with the house and cash. Sometimes for her entire lifetime.
Already answered. They go for whoever they see as Alpha. It’s not even all about resources, if they see an ex prison convict who’s poor as fukk they’ll let him have a ride. Men are different, they don’t fukk landwhales.
Women act out their sexual desires because feminine imperative of alpha f~~~s (in her 20s) and beta bucks (in her 30s) are optimized. In today’s age female sexual strategy has come to full fruition. Cucks are waiting to be made.
She’ll fukk the beta once, then go back to the Alpha. And Men don’t like being Cucks, hence the declining birthrates in countries like Japan where they raise up their middle finger and say F~~~ Woman altogether. Or the declining Birthrates in other countries.
Men aren’t just pussified cucks who slave for Civilizations that don’t take care of them. They’ll collapse the mofos. Once again showing how Testosterone is not just about Sex, it’s about not being dominated.
That is why mgtow is here.
And why men aren’t Pussified or Dominated by their sex drive.
He who is Brave is Free - Seneca
Interesting thread.
My own opinion is that men are loyal. Women not so much.
Men enjoy sex for sex.
Women often use sex as a tool.I personally think that while both men and women have sex drives, men do a better job of controlling their urges.
Anonymous13Even if men have a higher sex drive, we do a better job controlling a higher sex drive than women do a lower sex drive. Perhaps they just don’t even try or care to try.
This thread, can’t really get my head around it, it’s all over the place.
It messes with my simple head.
I reread that article about women having higher sex drive and it quotes a few leftist authors. It sounds as if it is the latest junk science study from the feminazis to justify whore domain and hypergamy. Again. If a woman is that horny, and knowing the advantages she has in society,then why don’t we see this play out? I don’t know about you guys, but when I’m really horny I’ll entertain the idea of doing someone lower on the smv scale. Why don’t women do the same if they are just as horny? And the rejection/rape comparison? Please. Then why the f~~~ are they even out looking? I just don’t believe it…
For in much wisdom is much grief, and he who increases knowledge increases sorrow.
Not that I find the claim that Eric’s account was hijacked particularly probable, but Faust is certainly onto something. Nothing Eric has said on this thread sounds even remotely MGTOW, especially denying the existence of the c~~~ carousel.
Women are better at multitasking? Fucking up several things at once is not multitasking.
Anonymous42Let us get some facts straight.
I claim that Eric’s account has been hijacked, from the posts likely by a woman. This person replied to my post first on thread with shaming tactics. That was uncalled for.
I will call a cigar a cigar. And I am going to call a tuna a tuna.
I could have called the account hijacker worse, but I was trying to keep things somewhat polite.
CIGAR!
You are not listening to me. That is not Eric. Someone has hijacked his account.
If it is Eric why has he not defended himself or debate the things he said?
Way toooooooo FISHY!!!
Nothing Eric has said on this thread sounds even remotely MGTOW, especially denying the existence of the c~~~ carousel.
Like fireworks in the dead of night, it’s night and day.
Men and women both desire sex. But men need more of it.
They don’t really need it. They want it. Nobody died due to lack of sex.
Men need food, water, shelter, security. And we can provide all of that for ourselves. Sex is what remains to be provided by women, which is why we value them primarily for this.
Women also need food, water, shelter, security. But they are terrible at getting these themselves. So they need men for all that, on top of it they also want sex.
That doesn’t mean that their sexual drive is less than men’s; maybe it is, maybe it is not. It just means that they have more pressing concerns. They see men more like wallets than dicks.
A man shouldn't make his life's objective to be on the side of the majority, but to avoid finding himself in the ranks of the insane. (Marcus Aurelius)
Anonymous18They don’t really need it. They want it. Nobody died due to lack of sex.
In theory you are correct.
But ask a married man who is sexless for 3 months. Lack of sex is an annoyance and although a man could do just fine without it – it requires re-calibrating his mental expectations but also his physical desires.
If it was merely a want – what is the harm in legalizing prostitution? Supply and demand, no?
At a biological level it is a need, and it was heavily exploited to sell marriage.
To not have sex and do monk-mode warrants a different level of self-resolve, discipline and self-acceptance than not buying the latest gadget phone or the sports car.
I agree its a want in the end if you strictly term it with respect to life and death. One needs water and food to survive. Not sex. But we have also survived without plumbing, internet, and transportation few hundred years ago. Yet we all seem to need them today.
guys don’t want to correct women because they want to f~~~ them.
MGTOW is not a movement, it is a way of life.
A mistake sometimes made on this site is MGTOW don’t understand that we are not average. I have posted this before, and I truly believe it. Men, we are the best of the best. We are not mindless simpletons, but the average blue pill man IS. And the blue pill man is the MAJORITY. So when you’re discussing the overall picture, you can’t think of just yourself or your MGTOW brothers. You have to look at BLUE PILL men who make up the MAJORITY.
I am going to post my anecdotal evidence. Now I cannot.
There is no magic in MGTOW, just recognition of the truth and logical decision how to avoid dangers. The red pill is but the truth, it is no magical potion. Do not think in this modern world men have no longer have natural enemies, men are prey to women and government.
What I see going on in this thread is a simplification of how women and men have sex that misses how abundance changes things. Just because women aren’t out there f~~~ing 300 men per month doesn’t say much about their sex drive in context of male vs female.
Waking up each morning in abundance changes your sexual drive. Most men are born into scarcity and each woman they sleep with was earned though some degree of initiative (usually cracking their wallet). Women’s sexual abundance has a built in “restock” button when they choose to use it.
I have met attractive women that haven’t had sex in 2 years, not because they don’t love sex, but because they no longer emotionally fulfilled in the bedroom by non-Chads that they could get anywhere.
Men are forced to connect sex with validation whereas this association doesn’t enter the female brain. For women, sex is purely for pleasure and “fun,” where as for men, it can be a release and ego stroke.
Having sex with 300 women in a month would not be about fulfilling a man’s normal sex drive, it would be for fulfilling the last 25 years of a bruised self-esteem that’s been caused from infidelity, shaming, heartbreak and a series of s~~~ behavior on the part of the women he unsuccessfully invested in.
300 women is validation f~~~ing; or a feast before the next drought/hibernation season. 300 is the candy factory door was left unlocked. A steady hooker twice a week would be plenty fulfilling for most men.
i think it’s important we not overlook something that goes beyond sexuality, because that’s only part of it. Don’t forget men have been conditioned from birth, to think the only way they get purpose and meaning to life, and the only way they get validation and approval, or any sense of satisfaction, or direction, is by seeking a female, to give him all of those things.
We at MGTOW know this is all a giant LIE, but the average man out there, still believe it. If you’re told from the moment you’re born that your life is an empty shell unless you “find a woman” … you tend to internalize it, and act on it.
Not that I find the claim that Eric’s account was hijacked particularly probable, but Faust is certainly onto something. Nothing Eric has said on this thread sounds even remotely MGTOW, especially denying the existence of the c~~~ carousel.
I refuse to call “c~~~ carousel” a woman having sex with 20, 30 men in a year.
It sounds too tradcon.
How we are going to call a man who is 20 yo, chase pussy, and f~~~s 20, 30 girls each year? A man “in the vagina carousel”?I claim that Eric’s account has been hijacked, from the posts likely by a woman.
A woman claiming that women have less sex drive than men? 😀
That would be very detrimental to women, the whole edifice would crumble, then collapse.
There are very few exceptions, in example Esther Vilar, and they were all anti-feminists.This person replied to my post first on thread with shaming tactics. That was uncalled for.
Uncalled shaming tactics?
If it is Eric why has he not defended himself or debate the things he said?
Way toooooooo FISHY!!!
Because I had to give the final speech of the electoral campaign, the next day was election day, then there have been the votes count and I supervised it till June, 12, early morning, then I had other things to do.
Elections went very good.SUPREME LEADER KIM JONG-UN'S FASHION STYLIST - if you want a new look or if you're a very beautiful trans you can call me, phone number +85079255312 / mobile 01921421211. The worth of a man isn't the usefulness that women get from him. Avoiding living with a woman, a man isn't rejecting a lot of sex: he's rejecting sexual starvation. MGTOW IS TACKLING DOMESTIC VIOLENCE IN COMPLIANCE WITH CONVENTION OF ISTANBUL: http://www.coe.int/en/web/conventions/full-list/-/conventions/rms/090000168008482e --- Article 4, Section 4 "Special measures that are necessary to prevent and protect women from gender-based violence shall not be considered discrimination under the terms of this Convention". WHAT I LEARNT FROM A GENDER STUDIES CLASS IN LUND, SWEDEN: every time feminists accuses men of doing something, odds are likely either them or persons associated with them are doing the exact same thing but a lot worse. WHO I'M RIGHT NOW https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1okpAj7Fhw Basically my former life have been a conflict between this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yz_RQVkvke4 and this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFIMeyTK-sU That's, more or less, all about me.
You are a tuna trying to shame men back to the plantation.
Let me explain how I think that plantation works:
A man think that signing a marriage contract is going to assure him a regular sexual life, sex almost all days, for his whole life.
Therefore the basis of the plantation is the idea that women have a sex drive that is comparable to men.
If you want keep men out of plantation the very best thing to do is: highlight how much sex become uncommon after few months or few years of marriage – that’s especially true for blowjobs, but it’s true even for sex as whole.
Highlight such simple, true, fact will be a major turn off for most men.
Shaming tactics works against men, too, but they’re quite limited compared to the promise of sex all days: shaming tactics can turn the average man in a PUA or someone who strive to be a PUA, shaming tactics aren’t going to convince a man to sign a marriage contract. Marriage contract is based on the promise of having sex all days.Now you claim there is no way to determine “what is truth”. This is right out of the feminist tactics to muddy the waters and take control.
It’s a very pragmatic approach, that is based on the outcome rather on an undemonstrable thesis. Feminism is the very opposite.
The point is: what is the set that is most beneficial for men?
The answer is Men Going Their Own Way. MGTOW.
MGTOW defines a behavior: no marriage contract, no cohabitation, never give to a woman rights over your stuff.
We all agree that’s the right behavior in actual society.
We were talking about the reasons for such behavior.
I claim, and it’s even in my signature, that refusing to live with a woman a man isn’t rejecting a lot of sex, but he’s rejecting sexual starvation.
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guys don’t want to correct women because they want to f~~~ them.
This is why feminism have been allowed to grow.
Feminism did not started with women going on marches.
Feminism started with men no longer hurling stones at women going on marches.
Those men were no longer hurling stones at women going on marches because women were promising more pussy (“sexual revolution”).
That’s also why today, for the very first time, there’s a relevant opposition to feminism: it isn’t divorce rape that waked up men, nor even unfair treatment of DV cases.
Men are being waked up by anti sexual harassment policies, inflated definitions of rape and “yes-means-yes” – those things means less sex – if men can no longer safely have sex with a woman who had few drinks, then what’s the point of sexual freedom?If it was merely a want – what is the harm in legalizing prostitution? Supply and demand, no?
At a biological level it is a need, and it was heavily exploited to sell marriage.
You nailed it.
I reread that article about women having higher sex drive and it quotes a few leftist authors. It sounds as if it is the latest junk science study from the feminazis to justify whore domain and hypergamy. Again. If a woman is that horny, and knowing the advantages she has in society,then why don’t we see this play out? I don’t know about you guys, but when I’m really horny I’ll entertain the idea of doing someone lower on the smv scale. Why don’t women do the same if they are just as horny? And the rejection/rape comparison? Please. Then why the f~~~ are they even out looking? I just don’t believe it…
Just check their usual content
https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/
It’s a feminist outlet.Bergner’s work puts what may be the last nail in the coffin of the old consensus that women use sex as a means to get something else they really want, such as enduring monogamous emotional intimacy and the goods and safety that come in marriage with a protector and provider. In her review, Salon‘s normally hyperbole-averse Tracy Clark-Flory was beside herself: “This book should be read by every woman on earth,” she writes; “the implications are huge.”
Reference to Salon, feminazi outpost…
Yet acknowledging that women are as horny as men (if not hornier) isn’t enough to guarantee equality, just as the recognition that women are increasingly adept at breadwinning doesn’t ensure pay equity.
Yup, sounds pretty feminist…
That explanation appeals, but it also rests on a false assumption that the risks of playing “instigator” are equal for both sexes. To continue Atik’s baseball imagery, it’s only very recently that women have even begun to be allowed to compete as equals on the sexual playing field; the rules of the game are still written largely for the benefit of men. To say that women want sex and are afraid of being slut-shamed while men want sex but are afraid of being rejected falsely posits that these are equally consequential experiences. “Slut-shaming” serves as both a precursor and an excuse for sexual violence. “She was asking for it,” the classic defense of the rapist, is based on the assumption that a woman who instigates a sexual encounter, “deserves” whatever ill treatment she gets. As real as men’s anxiety about being “shot down” might be, it’s hardly comparable to women’s equally justifiable fear of rape. Margaret Atwood’s famous remark that “men are afraid that women will laugh at them; women are afraid that men will kill them” clarifies that distinction nicely.
AND HERE WE GO!!! 😀
TRANSLATION OF THE ARTICLE:
“WOMEN ARE HORNIER THAN MEN, BUT AS LONG AS MORE MISANDRIC LAWS WILL NOT BE IN PLACE, YOU GUYS AREN’T GOING TO ENJOY MORE SEX!”It’s the usual feminist tactic: “give me more free stuff and more misandric laws, and you’ll get more sex, because we’re really horny and our enormous sexual desire have been kept down by your patriarchal violence” 😀
The article confirms that “women are horny just like as men” is falsehood meant for the benefit of women.
Sweetie: you said that women cannot express their sexual desire, they cannot take the initiative, due they’re faraid of being slut-shamed and even raped.
WHY THE HELL, THEN, THEY DON’T EVEN TAKE INITIATIVE AT THE SAME RATE OF MEN, WHEN MARRIED? ARE YOU REALLY SUGGESTING THAT AN HUSBAND WOULD “SLUT-SHAME” HIS WIFE INITIATING SEX???
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Eh, so many questions to answer. I don’t see why it matters which sex tends to have the higher sex drive. The only sex drive that really matters to me is my own. I’ve been with women who couldn’t wait to get it on and others who couldn’t really care less. Whatever.
As far as which drive is more likely to be used against you, to get you in trouble, it is pretty clearly a problem for men more than women on the average. The nature of our current society dictates that to be so, while it was clearly more trouble for a woman than it was for a man in the past.
Sex drive is just one factor that dictates if sex is going to happen or not. There are economic and social implications as well. Most boys are pushed to lose their V card. Women are driven to lock in resources. Their is STDS. There is birth control. There is your reputation to consider. There is false rape. There is the amount of clothing women wear to attract men. There is makeup, enhancements, and general knowledge of what the opposite sex is interested in. There is the feasibility of masturbation. There is the acceptability of alternate lifestyles.
All of things are different then they were 50 years ago, and will likely be different again 50 years from now. I would say a man favors monogamy now because that is the perceived safest way to have sex. A woman is much less encouraged to stay with the same mate her whole life since that is not the best way to acquire resources.
I’d say a man is blue because he choices to believe the lies about the nature of women, or believes that it somehow makes him a better person. Or perhaps his sex drive is stronger than logic. A man becomes red when he sees the truth and rejects commonly accepted lies. His sex drive is no longer a big enough factor to cause him to get into unsafe situations, regardless of what his drive is. He considers consequences and alternatives, manages his risk, and makes the wise choice.
Ok. Then do it.
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