Does Islam really promote violence?

[Ranger OneParticipant 16836]

ghost wrote:

Ranger One wrote:

They just needed breathing room.

That was a different era. If I was a “Muslim” in that era, you better believe I would be conquering more territory. Only a mangina from that era would sit around and be conquered.

The British Empire conquered more territory. The Mongols did as well and they weren’t Muslim.

You have to consider the founders of each religion. Mohammed was a warlord. Jesus was pretty much the opposite of that.

Early Christians were thrown to the lions for refusing military service.

Personally, I think Islam makes more sense than Christianity, because when someone tries to put a boot on my throat, I’m not going to turn the other check, I’m going to snap that foot off and cut their b~~~~ off.

Given a choice between feminism and Islam, I’d go with Islam.

All my life I've had doubts about who I am, where I belonged. Now I'm like the arrow that springs from the bow. No hesitation, no doubts. The path is clear. And what are you? Alive. Everything else is negotiable. Women have rights; men have responsibilities; MGTOW have freedom. Marriage is for chumps. If someone stands in the way of true justice, you simply walk up behind them and stab them in the heart-R'as al Ghul.

[TaxGuyParticipant]

Faust For Science wrote:

Gambit if you wish for Islam to be seen as peaceful, you need to reign in the fanatics of that religion.

For Christianity, this required several major wars over the course of hundreds of years, but this was done.

Are the Northern Irish Protestants and Catholics finally done? I think you might be giving Christians too much credit. But I know what you are saying.

Order the good wine

[ghostParticipant]

Ranger One wrote:

You have to consider the founders of each religion. Mohammed was a warlord. Jesus was pretty much the opposite of that.

Early Christians were thrown to the lions for refusing military service.

Two different people, agreed. They had different lives, personalities, etc. Personally speaking, I have more in common with Mohammed than I do with Jesus.

Ranger One wrote:

Personally, I think Islam makes more sense than Christianity, because when someone tries to put a boot on my throat, I’m not going to turn the other check, I’m going to snap that foot off and cut their b~~~~ off.

Exactly. You are more Mohammed than Jesus yourself.

Ranger One wrote:

Given a choice between feminism and Islam, I’d go with Islam.

Me too.

[Ranger OneParticipant 16836]

ghost wrote:

Ranger One wrote:

You have to consider the founders of each religion. Mohammed was a warlord. Jesus was pretty much the opposite of that.

Early Christians were thrown to the lions for refusing military service.

Two different people, agreed. They had different lives, personalities, etc. Personally speaking, I have more in common with Mohammed than I do with Jesus.

That turning the other cheek thing… I could never be a Christian. I’m all for savage retaliation, particularly if I want to be left alone and I’m being harried repeatedly. S~~~ will go down.

All my life I've had doubts about who I am, where I belonged. Now I'm like the arrow that springs from the bow. No hesitation, no doubts. The path is clear. And what are you? Alive. Everything else is negotiable. Women have rights; men have responsibilities; MGTOW have freedom. Marriage is for chumps. If someone stands in the way of true justice, you simply walk up behind them and stab them in the heart-R'as al Ghul.

[ghostParticipant]

Ranger One wrote:

That turning the other cheek thing… I could never be a Christian. I’m all for savage retaliation, particularly if I want to be left alone and I’m being harried repeatedly. S~~~ will go down.

You’ve got a little Mohammed in you.

[CarnageParticipant 22113]

F~~~ Jesus
F~~~ Mahoma
F~~~ buda

All assholes who brainwashed people.

Who the f~~~s know what the hell happened back then.

For all i know:

Jesus was a hippie
Buda was a fat lazy f~~~.
Mahoma was a psichopat.

S~~~ is f~~~ed up

To those following me, be careful, I just farted. Men those beans are killers.

[Ranger OneParticipant 16836]

ghost wrote:

Ranger One wrote:

That turning the other cheek thing… I could never be a Christian. I’m all for savage retaliation, particularly if I want to be left alone and I’m being harried repeatedly. S~~~ will go down.

You’ve got a little Mohammed in you.

I have a nuanced attitude towards violence. I’m not a mangina liberal. I’m a free-thinking libertarian.

Violence to me is re-arranging molecules to achieve a desired result. I do violence to an egg when I poach it. If some Antifa c~~~ swings a bike lock at me and I blow his head off with a 357 magnum, I’ve re-arranged his molecules so they can’t assault me again.

Talk can only do so much, moving around air molecules. I can go out and give the weeds in my garden a harsh talking to, but they will still be there tomorrow, until I violently yank them out of the ground.

All my life I've had doubts about who I am, where I belonged. Now I'm like the arrow that springs from the bow. No hesitation, no doubts. The path is clear. And what are you? Alive. Everything else is negotiable. Women have rights; men have responsibilities; MGTOW have freedom. Marriage is for chumps. If someone stands in the way of true justice, you simply walk up behind them and stab them in the heart-R'as al Ghul.

[CarnageParticipant 22113]

ghost wrote:

Carnage wrote:

Yes, it does, like any other religion.

All religion promotes violence, just becouse of the fact that makes us diferent.

Soo yes Islam promotes violence.

Catholics promotes violence.

Feminism promotes violence.

Nacionalism promotes violence.

If this were true, our species would have become extinct a long time ago. You are focusing too much on the negatives. That’s fine. You have a right to your opinion. I respectfully disagree.

It’s the other way around, killing each other makes us progress. Most our invention where first used for military purposes, nuclear energy, internet, the medicine advanced becouse of wars.

Death, violence and destruction is good. After any mayor resesion a big war comes around.

We thrive after war.

That’s the problem now days, no big wars becouse of nukes. If it wasn’t for nukes fear we wold be in ww6 by now.

To those following me, be careful, I just farted. Men those beans are killers.

[Cú ChulainnParticipant 3910]

I used to agree with the “moderate Muslims should take on the extremists in their own community” argument until I gave it critical thought.

Answers: they already are in Syria etc, the Iraq army are mopping them up and showing no quarter. Iraq’s army is very much filled with moderate Muslims, by any definition.

Here in the west Islam is not a monolithic culture. Different Ethnicities and sectarianism prevail, like all big religions. Asking a Shia Muslim in London to fight or expose a Sunni extremist in Birmingham is impossible, they do not equal each other, or even know about one another. Its not one big community, so how does he do it? Most radicalization occurs online in the bedrooms of moderate families. How many times when some f~~~wit goes BOOM! in the west it turns out he’s from a middle class family and his own kin are as bewildered as everyone else?

Finally, like all extremists, including our own lovable feminists, they are loud, and far more high profile than the silent majority. “Muslims go to their local church to spread peace and brotherhood with their Christian neighbours” doesn’t make the news the same as when a slack handful of teenage dickheads “Protest outside the US Embassy in London with ‘BEHEAD THOSE WHO INSULT ISLAM’ banners!!!”

There’s too much emotional attachment around the whole subject, and not enough objectivity and basic common sense.

[ghostParticipant]

Ranger One wrote:

I’m a free-thinking libertarian.

Me too. Agree with your post.

[ghostParticipant]

Cú Chulainn wrote:

I used to agree with the “moderate Muslims should take on the extremists in their own community” argument until I gave it critical thought.

Answers: they already are in Syria etc, the Iraq army are mopping them up and showing no quarter. Iraq’s army is very much filled with moderate Muslims, by any definition.

Here in the west Islam is not a monolithic culture. Different Ethnicities and sectarianism prevail, like all big religions. Asking a Shia Muslim in London to fight or expose a Sunni extremist in Birmingham is impossible, they do not equal each other, or even know about one another. Its not one big community, so how does he do it? Most radicalization occurs online in the bedrooms of moderate families. How many times when some f~~~wit goes BOOM! in the west it turns out he’s from a middle class family and his own kin are as bewildered as everyone else?

Finally, like all extremists, including our own lovable feminists, they are loud, and far more high profile than the silent majority. “Muslims go to their local church to spread peace and brotherhood with their Christian neighbours” doesn’t make the news the same as when a slack handful of teenage dickheads “Protest outside the US Embassy in London with ‘BEHEAD THOSE WHO INSULT ISLAM’ banners!!!”

There’s too much emotional attachment around the whole subject, and not enough objectivity and basic common sense.

Another great response, Cu.

[Anonymous 7]

ghost wrote:

Ranger One wrote:
That turning the other cheek thing… I could never be a Christian. I’m all for savage retaliation, particularly if I want to be left alone and I’m being harried repeatedly. S~~~ will go down.
You’ve got a little Mohammed in you.

I guess I got a little Mohammed in me too.
I like to be prepared to f~~~ someone up if s~~~ goes South.

[PistolPeteParticipant 27143]

I hear where you are coming from BUT I’m not sure how you square that with:

Quran (2:191-193) – “And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing… but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun(the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)”

Quran (3:151) – “Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority”.

Quran (8:12) – “I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them” No reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle. The targets of violence are “those who disbelieve” – further defined in the next verse (13) as “defy and disobey Allah.”

[ghostParticipant]

PistolPete wrote:

I hear where you are coming from BUT I’m not sure how you square that with:

Quran (2:191-193) – “And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing… but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun(the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)”

Quran (3:151) – “Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority”.

Quran (8:12) – “I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them” No reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle. The targets of violence are “those who disbelieve” – further defined in the next verse (13) as “defy and disobey Allah.”

Motivation for troops during time of war. Must be read in context. I would do the same in self defense during that era.

[PistolPeteParticipant 27143]

But if believers are convinced they are locked in perpetual war with anyone who fails to believe…well. I knew a black Muslim I worked with and he began each day by telling me how he was going to “take my head”.

I concede the need for a reformation similar to that which Christianity went through in the 15/16th century.

[ghostParticipant]

PistolPete wrote:

I knew a black Muslim I worked with and he began each day by telling me how he was going to “take my head”.

Haha. He was most likely afraid of you.

PistolPete wrote:

I concede the need for a reformation similar to that which Christianity went through in the 15/16th century.

Actually, there has already been plenty of it. Sufism is an example of a reformed version of Islam.

[PistolPeteParticipant 27143]

I agree it should be read in context–but who is going to change the “context” for those thinking its still the 7th century?

[ghostParticipant]

PistolPete wrote:

I agree it should be read in context–but who is going to change the “context” for those thinking its still the 7th century?

They need to be educated. It does not serve the interests of most of these Islamic regimes in the Middle East to educate their people. They do not want to lose their grip on power. It will eventually happen though. It will take time. The oil money was a big boon for them and really helped them spread their Wahhabi sect. I think we need to keep supporting the moderate Muslim forces in the Middle East and elsewhere.

[Cú ChulainnParticipant 3910]

TaxGuy wrote:

Faust For Science wrote:

Gambit if you wish for Islam to be seen as peaceful, you need to reign in the fanatics of that religion.

For Christianity, this required several major wars over the course of hundreds of years, but this was done.

Are the Northern Irish Protestants and Catholics finally done? I think you might be giving Christians too much credit. But I know what you are saying.

With respect but I grew up with the Troubles in NI. Religion was/is only a subtext in what was/is a national identity war. This is my personal opinion.

Very few terrorists on either side were religious, or even cited it. It goes back 400 years to the plantation of Ulster by Scottish and English settlers. Catholicism was outlawed on the mainland and the native Irish were of course devout Roman Catholics. The famine affected both sides, but more Catholics died because they were far more numerous, and the British government actively stopped food reaching them. That has never been forgotten here. And it never should be. It poisoned Anglo-Irish relations, hopefully not forever.

Protestants have always had a siege mentality, with occassional atrocities commited on them, and identified with their roots across the Irish Sea. The first glimmers of modern Irish nationalism were headed by protestants like Parnell, who was Irish first and protestant second. A typically Celtic paradox.

Last century the troubles started among two communities divided by national affiliation and THEN religious differences. NI was secular like most other countries. ‘Irish’ invariably went with ‘catholic’ and ‘British’ was ‘protestant’.

Both churches actively sought and seek peace, its a big reason why my faith is strong – the troubles were sheer madness, and I have friends from both traditions, even my family is mixed. The best thing is I can have two passports, and I’m equally British and Irish and see no conflict of interest in that. Many still can’t, but I’ve long since worried about what other people think about me.

A whole generation has grown up in relative peace, and since coming home I’ve noticed huge differences in opinion, its just not as raw as it was in the dark days of the 80s. That’s hope for the future.

[Anonymous 12]

Islam is not a tolerant religion and that intolerance to views and customs outside of Islam can lead to some Muslims being violent.

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More than Islam though I blame Leftards that allow anything anti West or Christian to flourish.

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