Christians Lost Christmas !

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narrow road traveler wrote:

This turn of events has been coming for a long time. In the book of Revelations. Nicolaitan doctrines are referenced in Christs’ disapproval of congregational beliefs.

This group referenced was always a mystery to me. The Epistles don’t clearly define this groups beliefs. So in first century congregations the doctrine wasn’t a high priority.

One day it hit me like a ton of bricks. Nicolaitans are people who believe God is Santa Clause. Saint Nick, etc. All are variations of the word Nicolaitan.

God is a giant teddy bear, and inoffensive to everyone. This type of core belief goes hand in hand with the enlightenment era. As well as the enormous increased living standard wrought by the industrial revolution.

Solidity of an internal compass. Is done away with, replaced with pursuit of material gain for the gains sake. If it temporarily feels good it must be good.

Behind the scenes of this type of stuff. Is a very few people, actually pyramid controlling vast amounts of people’s actions.

I’ve got more thoughts on this subject. The haze and communication process hasn’t coalesced yet upstairs.

You bring up very interesting points, Narrow Road Traveler, and I think it has to do with the “great falling away” that Christ mentioned to His Apostles.
I wished you elaborated on Christs’ disapproval of congregational beliefs and complete your thoughts on the Nicolaitans, as the name to describes today’s Xians, “Christians” without Christ.

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[SaxamaphoneParticipant 108]

I’m sorry bro but Xmas and Easter were never Christian festivals. They are Pagan.

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Saxamaphone wrote:

I’m sorry bro but Xmas and Easter were never Christian festivals. They are Pagan.

Yes, they were pageant festivals that were transformed into Christian festivals when the pagan Roman empire became Christian.
So the pagans have taken their festivities back and turned Christmas back into a pagan holiday. I wished they hadn’t kept the name “Christmas” then.
But no matter, we Christians now have Nativity and you pagans have Xmas.
Everything falls back into place sooner or later.

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Saxamaphone wrote:

I’m sorry bro but Xmas and Easter were never Christian festivals. They are Pagan.

We know what he means bro . Take a look from another angle . Lol

THE PLANTATION HAS NOW TURNED INTO THE KILLING FIELDS . WOMAN ARE NOW ROLLING CAMBODIAN STYLE .

[SaxamaphoneParticipant 108]

Gambit – I’m coming to realise that this is true.

The one’s my age and older are almost a lost cause.

[SaxamaphoneParticipant 108]

I’m not a Pagan mate, but I do like history. Xmas is the winter solstice and easter is the spring equinox. What exactly have eggs and bunnies to do with Jesus?

[SaxamaphoneParticipant 108]

I am sympathetic with your points though. Truth is Xmas has no moral compass of any type anymore. It’s just about consumption.

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blade wrote:

Saxamaphone wrote:

I’m sorry bro but Xmas and Easter were never Christian festivals. They are Pagan.

We know what he means bro . Take a look from another angle . Lol

Yes, because a Christian is supposed to be clueless about the history of his own religion, it’s what the Mass Media has propaganded for decades: fanatic, clueless and non-inclusive Christians = bad.
A bit like what the C~~~s propagate: A Man in-charge, logical and not drowned by his own sentiments = bad.

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[SaxamaphoneParticipant 108]

“Yes, because a Christian is supposed to be clueless about the history of his own religion, it’s what the Mass Media has propaganded for decades: fanatic, clueless and non-inclusive Christians = bad.
A bit like what the C~~~s propagate: A Man in-charge, logical and not drowned by his own sentiments = bad.”

I didn’t mean any disrespect, and I don’t see the bad in either the Christian interpretation of these festivals or in men going their own way. If anyone suggests that I am wrong to feel or do as I wish, when it doesn’t interfere with their lives in any way, then I will rightfully show them the finger.

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Saxamaphone wrote:

I didn’t mean any disrespect, and I don’t see the bad in either the Christian interpretation of these festivals or in men going their own way. If anyone suggests that I am wrong to feel or do as I wish, when it doesn’t interfere with their lives in any way, then I will rightfully show them the finger.

Roger that, Sax.
No disrespect done here and I appreciate your posts on the subject.

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THE PLANTATION HAS NOW TURNED INTO THE KILLING FIELDS . WOMAN ARE NOW ROLLING CAMBODIAN STYLE .

[SaxamaphoneParticipant 108]

Narrow said “Christs’ disapproval of congregational beliefs.”

I find this aspect of Christianity interesting, and it makes me wonder if the Nicaea deliberatly removed the Gospel of Thomas because of the line:

Split a piece of wood and I am there, Lift a stone and you will find me.

I’m interested to know what MGTOW Christians think about this quote.

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Saxamaphone wrote:

Narrow said “Christs’ disapproval of congregational beliefs.”

I find this aspect of Christianity interesting, and it makes me wonder if the Nicaea deliberatly removed the Gospel of Thomas because of the line:

Split a piece of wood and I am there, Lift a stone and you will find me.

I’m interested to know what MGTOW Christians think about this quote.

I believe it means that Christ is with us wherever we are and whatever we do. I also believe that it sends a message to those who believe that apart from the temple ( church ) there is no other appropriate place for worship while as Christians we should know that He resides in us and we in Him and that there is no appointed time or place for worship.

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[SaxamaphoneParticipant 108]

That’s how I interpret it too. I’m an athiest, but the idea that there are no arbiters between you and God resonates with me.

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Saxamaphone wrote:

That’s how I interpret it too. I’m an athiest, but the idea that there are no arbiters between you and God resonates with me.

I does with me too, that’s why I’ve never gone in a confessional and always took that stuff straight to Him, knowing He hears and sees me.
I have to admit to a certain influence by Islam where the believer converses directly with Allah without an intermediary.
In Christianity, Jesus intercedes for us with the Father, no need of fancy buildings and golden crosses since He is in us.

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[SaxamaphoneParticipant 108]

The problem with athiesm is it’s a denial of something – there is no rule book. We have to find our own way spiritually. There’s a lot of inspiring ideas in the OT,NT and the Koran. My journey of the self is much like anyone elses, I find inspirational ideas, and try to incorperate them into my life.

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Saxamaphone wrote:

The problem with athiesm is it’s a denial of something – there is no rule book. We have to find our own way spiritually. There’s a lot of inspiring ideas in the OT,NT and the Koran. My journey of the self is much like anyone elses, I find inspirational ideas, and try to incorperate them into my life.

I don’t know much about Atheism besides that it denies the existence of a god, any god, and that it relegates believers to some witless parrots and religion to a kind of mass illusion from which there is almost no awakening.
It also seems that, for the athiest, Faith is nothing more than a naive sentiment invented by people who are afraid of the unknown, like death, and for whom the thought of a benevolent all-mighty God appeases their fright and apprehension of the future.
Far being from me to dispute such illustrious and well-thought-out ideas based on an obvious concensus of highly-minded Atheists who base their opinions on ever-evolving scientific observations and theories. Those do neither add nor take away from my personal relationship with my Creator. If anything, they enhance it.
Unlike their so-called “progressive” and “feminist” Libtard movements where you’re automatically bad should you dare to use your critical brain and not fall on your knees before the High Pristess of feminism or the Grand Wizard of globalisation, the one thing to remember about Christianity is that Salvation is free and it isn’t compulsory. In no way is anyone forced to adhere.

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[SaxamaphoneParticipant 108]

No, that’s a bit of a reach. I can only speak for myself – respectful of others even though there are some beliefs we differ on.

If I was asked the question ” would you leave your daughter with individual X?” my response would be based entirely upon how sane I thought that individual was. I couldn’t care less about their church, which political party they voted for etc.

By starting with an “all athiests” argument you have forgotten that it’s just some blokes talking. Just like I can’t say AWALT ( even though it’s true), I wouldn’t dream all starting with “all christians” coz I would rightly be given a verbal kick in the b~~~~.

My human needs are the same as anybody’s, so the comfort that you get from your faith, I have to find as well, but in other ways.

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Saxamaphone wrote:

No, that’s a bit of a reach. I can only speak for myself – respectful of others even though there are some beliefs we differ on.

If I was asked the question ” would you leave your daughter with individual X?” my response would be based entirely upon how sane I thought that individual was. I couldn’t care less about their church, which political party they voted for etc.

By starting with an “all athiests” argument you have forgotten that it’s just some blokes talking. Just like I can’t say AWALT ( even though it’s true), I wouldn’t dream all starting with “all christians” coz I would rightly be given a verbal kick in the b~~~~.

My human needs are the same as anybody’s, so the comfort that you get from your faith, I have to find as well, but in other ways.

That was merely an overview of Atheism as I’ve experienced it and in no way describes every Atheist, which wasn’t my purpose.
I hope you find what you’re looking for, Sax.

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Saxamaphone wrote:

What exactly have eggs and bunnies to do with Jesus?

Jesus ate eggs for testosterone and bunnies for the sake of JETA! (Jesus eating tasty animals).

Saxamaphone wrote:

Split a piece of wood and I am there, Lift a stone and you will find me.

I think it relates to atomic level and the awesome power it takes to hold all the matter in the universe to together the mathematics say why doesn’t everything repel instead of atomically attract and hold orbit with the electrons and their valances, like our spinning orbit and planet being held together and in alignment counter intuitive to the laws of physics that can’t explain gravity defying centrifugal forces.

Perhaps the atomic bomb is a case in point where we lifted the fingernail of god and his might holding all things together.

A passage backing up my thoughts:

Colossians 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist

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