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Nikola Tesla died destitute
Because he was an arrogant moron who thought society would embrace his genius ideas for the greater good. If it weren’t for Westinghouse and Edison, the world would never have heard of Tesla.
You completely missed the point, Doc. There were multitudes of brilliant people who died destitute. Another one was Antonio Vivaldi. Just because a person has value, doesn’t mean they actually get paid for it.
Criticism of the speaker will no longer have any effect. Attempting to manipulate people with shame and humiliation will no longer have any effect. We will not be manipulated.
Nikola Tesla died destitute
Because he was an arrogant moron who thought society would embrace his genius ideas for the greater good. If it weren’t for Westinghouse and Edison, the world would never have heard of Tesla.
Last time I checked, society DID embrace his genius for the greater good. This is why you have alternating current running in your house right now. That makes him far from a moron. Alternating current is proof. /RIP argument.
Time for a quiz. TRUE or FALSE:
1. Governments murder their subjects.
2. Governments intentionally starve their subjects using engineered famines.
3. Governments can be, and often are despotic to their subjects.
4. It is possible for Governments to accomplish illegal things behind the veil of secrecy and “national security”.
5. Governments do not allow their subjects to decide on legislation.
6. Psychopaths are scientifically and medically incapable of empathy.
7. Sadists and psychopaths seek positions of power in hopes of the opportunity to abuse people.
8. There is no mechanism that prevents psychopaths from getting elected, or acquiring a job in law enforcement.
9. People who do not wish to cooperate are met with violence.
10. Advisors to government publicly discuss possible methods for starting war, or for positive checks on population (mass murder), or preventative checks on population (sterilization).If you answered any, or all of these as being true, then being aware of these facts is not paranoia. Rather bracing yourself for the actually existing danger of the abuse of power by psychopaths is wholly an irrefutably rational response, especially with the sum of all accounts of abuses of power by psychopaths throughout millennia of history.
” It is characteristic of a tyrant to dislike every one who has dignity or independence; he wants to be alone in his glory, but any one who claims a like dignity or asserts his independence encroaches upon his prerogative, and is hated by him as an enemy to his power. Another mark of a tyrant is that he likes foreigners better than citizens, and lives with them and invites them to his table; for the one are enemies, but the Others enter into no rivalry with him.” – Aristotle, “Politics”
Oh my god! The f~~~ing 1% are going to depopulate the Earth in a global war to prevent the unwashed masses from storming their penthouses and sinking their yachts. Yeah? Well are you gonna f~~~ing DO about it, man?!
I’m going to horde 3,000 dollars worth of gold thinking that will make some kind of big difference if the s~~~ hits the fan big time. What are you going to do?
Oh my god! The f~~~ing 1% are going to depopulate the Earth in a global war to prevent the unwashed masses from storming their penthouses and sinking their yachts. Yeah? Well are you gonna f~~~ing DO about it, man?!
He’d swim out to their yacht and kick some ass personally but all that gold is weighing him down and he’ll sink if he goes in the water.
I wonder how beer thinks his 401k will be performing after social collapse?
I doubt we’ll have worse than another depression, and anyone that simply left their money in and rode it out did fine long term. Check this article out…
http://www.dailyfinance.com/2012/08/14/coca-cola-stock-share-worth-millions/
If someone bought 40 bucks worth of coke stock in 1919, roughly 531 dollars worth in todays dollars, and reinvested all their dividends since then, their 40 dollars would be worth 9.8 million today.If you bought 40 dollars worth of gold in 1919 that would have bought you about 2 ounces of gold, which would be worth 2,200 dollars today.
So what are you talking about when you say “social collapse?” Another recession or depression? Stock will come out fine on the other end, because not all businesses are going to go under. Do you realize for the stock market to literally go to 0, every single publicly traded company would have to go completely out of business?
You aren’t just investing in strange little share certificates that mean nothing, you are buying in as partial owner of that business. If you were a 100% owner of a plumbing company, and we had a massive depression again, yet you managed to find customers and keep the business running…you’d still be 100% owner of a profitable company when the depression ended. Its no different if you are a .0000000001% owner of some multi billion dollar international company. Maybe you have a period where the price per share gets beat up or your dividends get slashed but just like the Coke example above…if you wait out the downturns and the company remains profitable you end up fine in the long run.
If by social collapse you mean something of the magnitude that drops global markets to 0, yup, my 401k is wiped, but I don’t care about stock or gold at that point, I’ll be glad I have guns because there would be massive starvation, riots, and bloodshed going on across the globe. Gold nuggets would be most useful as ammo for a slingshot at that point.
Because he was an arrogant moron who thought society would embrace his genius ideas for the greater good. If it weren’t for Westinghouse and Edison, the world would never have heard of Tesla.
Not quite sure how you can call Tesla an arrogant moron buddy.
When you’ve invented something better than remote control, radio, wireless information transfer and AC electricity then maybe you might have a high horse to sit on…..
So……….. dunno…. rather a silly thing for someone to say.
Precisely.
More Ad Hominem and criticism of the speaker, due to a lack of capability for rebuttal to irrefutable facts.
Lol…the guy that says currency is worthless, but if he was in Greece during the crisis he’d love to go one country over and trade is gold for currency, and that the elites are planning to exterminate 90% of the population is coming up with irrefutable fact now? Sorry sir…you are just being a moron and being treated as such.
Its all good though, because when I point out how you say you’d go trade your gold for currency…you say I haven’t made a point…LOL. That’s how you get people to see your point…”Yup…you called out my stupidity…BUT YOU HAVE NOT MADE A POINT.”
EVERYBODY NEEDS TO CONVERT THEIR LIFE SAVINGS INTO GOLD RIGHT NOW. IN APPROXIMATELY 36 HOURS ALIENS FROM ANOTHER GALAXY WILL ARRIVE. IF YOU DO NOT OFFER THEM AN ADEQUATE AMOUNT OF GOLD AS AN OFFERING THEY ARE GOING TO POWER PROBE YOU SO HARD YOU WILL SUFFER FROM PERMANENT RECTAL BLEEDING. IF YOU HAVE ENOUGH GOLD THEY WILL BEAM YOU UP TO THEIR SHIP AND TAKE YOU AWAY TO A LAND FREE OF FEMINISM.
That is irrefutable fact.
More Ad Hominem and criticism of the speaker, due to a lack of capability for rebuttal to irrefutable facts.
Lol…the guy that says currency is worthless, but if he was in Greece during the crisis he’d love to go one country over and trade is gold for currency, and that the elites are planning to exterminate 90% of the population is coming up with irrefutable fact now? Sorry sir…you are just being a moron and being treated as such.
Its all good though, because when I point out how you say you’d go trade your gold for currency…you say I haven’t made a point…LOL. That’s how you get people to see your point…”Yup…you called out my stupidity…BUT YOU HAVE NOT MADE A POINT.”
That specific situation is very different to a global economic collapse. In that situation, which did actually happen, yes it would have benefited the greeks to have something that could provide them with access to more currency than the banks would have allowed. There is nothing moronic about pointing out that fact. I never claimed that a plan to exterminate 90% of the population was an irrefutable fact. Once again, due to lack of information, and the incapability of providing a solid rebuttal, you resort now to straw man fallacy, in addition to Ad Hominem. I theorize that when the dollar collapses, the Chinese Yuan will be the new global reserve currency, probably because it will be backed by gold. You are attempting to combine two different subjects into one, and also supposed that I stated a theoretical situation as being fact, which isn’t true. The two subjects are:
A. The effect of economic collapse in Greece and the limited access to banking deposits as a result.
B. The possibility of global economic collapse and how to deal with it.
Your straw man fallacy: Veniversum claimed that the ruling class has a plan to exterminate 90% of the population. Veniversum claims this is an irrefutable fact. FALSE. I said it’s possible that they could be, and that you wouldn’t know. I also never said that the plan was an irrefutable fact. Get that straw man fallacy out of here, it is weak. Your argument is worthless.
The best and brightest of the globalist shills cannot defeat mgtow.
It’s not MGTOW that they have to defeat; it’s truth, but that’s impossible because too many people know what it is now. The narrative does not align with reality. There is a contradiction, and a conflict of interest. We have history as proof, and yet the narrative tries to tell us that things aren’t the way they are. This is precisely why they refuse to take my “TRUE or FALSE” quiz. Then they would have to admit what the real source of the problem is. They would have to admit the truth. That, and they aren’t capable of falsifying reality. No one is.
I just want one of you guys to define what you think will happen in the upcoming economic crisis, because all you keep doing is shifting the goal posts.
Will all stock indexes go to 0?
I just want one of you guys to define what you think will happen in the upcoming economic crisis, because all you keep doing is shifting the goal posts.
Will all stock indexes go to 0?Could you further elaborate on what it is you mean by “Goal Posts”? I don’t think anyone can specifically predict what will happen during a global economic crisis, other than the dangers that we pretty much have all acknowledged: Violence, hunger, etc. There are too many variables. I did theorize that it’s possible that if the dollar collapses, that the Chinese Yuan, backed by gold, will replace it as the world reserve currency. If a complete loss of respect and faith in government is lost, however, there will be a huge paradigm shift and a complete restructuring of society. However, if there is war, and a continued belief in the legitimacy of the existence of the state, then the benefactors of the state monopoly on violence will continue to use that hammer to force people and the world to be whatever they want it to be, and continue to prosper at the expense of the citizens. I don’t believe that anyone can accurately predict exactly what would happen during a global economic collapse. We can be somewhat prepared for it by having extra food, weapons to defend ourselves, and making plans to work with our neighbors and local communities to help each other during a situation like that. Some of us are already doing that. In the end, the outcome will really be determined by the willingness of law enforcement officers to enforce unjust laws, and the willingness of military people to obey orders without question, including orders that might be, to be the first country to attack as a catalyst for war. Also, the willingness of individuals not to succumb to fear of their neighbors during a situation like that, and a desire by them to collaborate rather than compete by destroying one another. I think civil disobedience is at a historical all time high though, so I am actually somewhat optimistic.
price for 1 egg in germanys hyperinflation 1923 = 320 000 000 000 Mark
Could you further elaborate on what it is you mean by “Goal Posts”?
Yes. Because you go from predicting things like the elites want to eradicate 90% of the world population to the yuan might replace the dollar as the reserve currency.
Those are two very different scenarios…if the dollar gets replaced by the yuan as the reserve currency my investments simply aren’t getting wiped out when I have investments in companies doing business all over North America, Europe, and Asia. Its as simple as that. Even if I lose a little money in the process…one who has been sitting in gold over the years has lost far more…see my previous post about the long term value of Coca Cola stock relative to gold.
If you think there is going to be some catastrophic meltdown resulting in mass death…I stand firm by my position that guns + land are far superior than gold.
Its why I ask, are all global indexes going to 0? If your answer is no, people are still working, companies are still making profits, being partial owner of said companies(owning stock) has value. If your answer is yes things are going to be so bad gold isn’t going to help you.
Go ahead and whine about ad hominem and straw man arguments all you want…the irrefutable fact here is you just keep talking about some mysterious crash and changing the goal posts every time someone crushes you with common sense.
And by the way…China is nowhere close to having a gold backed currency. We still hold almost 5x(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_reserve) the amount of gold they do, and we are nowhere close to being a gold backed currency. Additionally, if you followed what the markets and currencies are actually doing, you’d know the global complaints about China over the last year has been them intentionally devaluing their currency….the exact opposite of what they’d be doing if they intended to get on the gold currency. I bet you didn’t know their markets automatically close for the day if they get down 7% in a single day…and they hit that point twice last week, once just 20 minutes after markets opened for the day, because of recent devaluation of their currency. Here is an interesting piece, although I’m sure the values are much different now considering how much the yuan has devalued since it was written…
http://www.wealthdaily.com/articles/is-china-backing-the-yuan-with-gold/6108
TLDR: In order for China to go on the gold standard right now gold would have to be trading at $64,000 an ounce. Its at about $1,100 and ounce.
Here is some more irrefutable fact for you…1 year ago 1 dollar was worth 6.18 yuan…today 1 dollar is worth 6.58.(http://www.exchangerate.com/currency-charts/USD/CNY/last-12-months/) The chinese currency lost 8% of its value compared to the dollar over the last year due to currency manipulation by the Chinese government. It was done intentionally to keep their exports cheap so they can keep their people working and continue to be a major exporter. See anything in the news lately about a currency war? This is what they are talking about. What makes you think a currency more manipulated than the dollar will be the next reserve currency?
Once again, you are relying on straw man fallacy. I did not “go from predicting things like the elites want to eradicate 90% of the world” because I made no such prediction. I made the argument that you wouldn’t be aware of it, *if* they were. You haven’t crushed me with “common sense”. I doubt you understand the real meaning behind it, which has more to do with understanding the difference between what is right and wrong, morally. I have already agreed with you that guns are valuable in times of crisis. My theory about the Chinese Yuan is just a theory. My basis for it is in my observations and belief that the Chinese economy will overtake the economy of the United States, as well as the fact that the Rothschild family has a vested interest in China. I didn’t state this particular point as a fact.. only a theory and nothing more. As for Ad Hominem, Straw Man, and other fallacies, they are simply invalid forms of argument. The use of these is called “sophistry”, which is the crutch that you have heavily attempted to rely on and yet fell on your face. My “Goal Post” and entire contention can be summarized as follows, in accordance with the subject that the original poster (Cipher) was discussing:
1. Fiat currency is backed by labor. Since it is not backed by a commodity, it has no value to anyone possessing it unless they can actually purchase a future product or service. It’s store of value is the “Full faith and credit of [insert government here]” which translates to the willingness of a government to coerce their subjects into producing and providing a service. By any other name, this is called slavery. Therefore if people decide to become independent, and refuse to provide for others and rather attempt only to provide for themselves, they are met with violence by the state. A billionaires worst fear is that his or her money will not actually buy anything for future generations of his or her family.
2. No one should be compelled into the work force. This is not freedom, and it is not liberty. I’ve already gone over countless times how there is an artificial cost now to subsistence, and how people are being denied access to land that isn’t being used by businesses, homes, or is otherwise uninhabited. This was instituted through the 10 planks of communism.
3. Many poor people are working jobs that they have no interest in or passion for because they are mandated by law to acquire currency in order to exist. This results in their total misery, in addition to the fact that they only make just enough money to maintain a bare existence.
4. Many rich people are acquiring more currency than they could possibly ever spend and yet are not necessarily happy with their lives. I’ve already listed the two major reasons that rich people might not be happy. One only has to view interviews of a variety of rich successful people to find the ones that aren’t happy. There are quite a few.
5. Authority = slavery. There has never been, and never will be LEGITIMACY to SLAVERY.
6. Genocide is inexcusable. The worst offenses of it in history were perpetrated and carried out by the ruling class using the power of government.
7. War is used to convince people that it is a matter of survival to be obedient. It is also used to destroy any opposition to the ruling class, and to institute new draconian measures of totalitarianism, as well as further enrich them, the shareholders, through the stockmarket, as well as the financiers through debt creation.
As for “Common Sense” let’s consult Mr. Thomas Paine on the issue where he said this:
“The cause of America is in a great measure the cause of all mankind. Many circumstances have, and will arise, which are not local, but universal, and through which the principles of all Lovers of Mankind are affected, and in the Event of which, their Affections are interested. The laying of a Country desolate with Fire and Sword, declaring War against the natural rights of all Mankind, and extirpating the Defenders thereof from the Face of the Earth, is the Concern of every Man to whom Nature hath given the Power of feeling”
Lol…its impossible to have anything other than a straw man argument in your eyes when because all you do is continuously shift the goal post, and the irrefutable facts that I have presented remain uncontested.
1. As long as business carries on stocks have value and the historical return of stock vs gold is astromical…again, refer to my coca cola vs gold post.
2. If businesses ceases globally and all stocks lose value, guns > gold.
Plus you contradict yourself so much its laughable…
2. No one should be compelled into the work force. This is not freedom, and it is not liberty. I’ve already gone over countless times how there is an artificial cost now to subsistence, and how people are being denied access to land that isn’t being used by businesses, homes, or is otherwise uninhabited. This was instituted through the 10 planks of communism.
3. Many poor people are working jobs that they have no interest in or passion for because they are mandated by law to acquire currency in order to exist. This results in their total misery, in addition to the fact that they only make just enough money to maintain a bare existence.
Like this, you think property taxes are communism and don’t like them as you made more than evident in other threads, and you obviously think its bad people are forced into jobs they don’t like. Plus its kind of funny you don’t even take into account there are people with high paying jobs that hate their jobs and are miserable as well, but they suck it up for the money. You then proceed to say things like…
Likely there would be volunteers to keep the electricity running. Likely the average people in the neighborhood could start gardening. I know for sure that in my neighborhood, people would be working together. Rural people think differently than urban ones. We prefer collaboration to competition.
So let’s get this straight…you hate being a team player and paying property taxes when times are good, and you hate the idea that people might have to do some sort of work they don’t necessarily enjoy to survive…but when the s~~~ hits the fan suddenly you become a team player and think everyone is just happily going to pitch in?
Well now that you have been DEMOLISHED by common sense some more, better shift those goal posts again.
Lol…its impossible to have anything other than a straw man argument in your eyes when because all you do is continuously shift the goal post, and the irrefutable facts that I have presented remain uncontested.
1. As long as business carries on stocks have value and the historical return of stock vs gold is astromical…again, refer to my coca cola vs gold post.
2. If businesses ceases globally and all stocks lose value, guns > gold.
Plus you contradict yourself so much its laughable…
2. No one should be compelled into the work force. This is not freedom, and it is not liberty. I’ve already gone over countless times how there is an artificial cost now to subsistence, and how people are being denied access to land that isn’t being used by businesses, homes, or is otherwise uninhabited. This was instituted through the 10 planks of communism.
3. Many poor people are working jobs that they have no interest in or passion for because they are mandated by law to acquire currency in order to exist. This results in their total misery, in addition to the fact that they only make just enough money to maintain a bare existence.
Like this, you think property taxes are communism and don’t like them as you made more than evident in other threads, and you obviously think its bad people are forced into jobs they don’t like. Plus its kind of funny you don’t even take into account there are people with high paying jobs that hate their jobs and are miserable as well, but they suck it up for the money. You then proceed to say things like…
Likely there would be volunteers to keep the electricity running. Likely the average people in the neighborhood could start gardening. I know for sure that in my neighborhood, people would be working together. Rural people think differently than urban ones. We prefer collaboration to competition.
So let’s get this straight…you hate being a team player and paying property taxes when times are good, and you hate the idea that people might have to do some sort of work they don’t necessarily enjoy to survive…but when the s~~~ hits the fan suddenly you become a team player and think everyone is just happily going to pitch in?
Well now that you have been DEMOLISHED by common sense some more, better shift those goal posts again.
I do not “think” that property taxes are part of communism. They are. It’s one of the ten planks. If you knew the ten planks of communism, you would know that. It’s not a matter of opinion. Truth is objective, and communism was created before I was born. Don’t accuse me of contradicting myself; prove it with quotes. Call me out on it. Otherwise, you’re just making empty accusations. I have not “shifted” any “goal posts”. I just listed them for you. I don’t see you refuting any of them, because it isn’t possible. You rely too heavily on straw man and sophistry.
More straw man by you:
“So let’s get this straight…you hate being a team player and paying property taxes when times are good, and you hate the idea that people might have to do some sort of work they don’t necessarily enjoy to survive…but when the s~~~ hits the fan suddenly you become a team player and think everyone is just happily going to pitch in?”Reframing the argument into things that I never said in order to make a claim easier to defeat. I never said that I hate being a team player. Using the word “hate” implies manipulatively that I’m driven by an emotional response rather than a rational one, which couldn’t be further from the truth. I’m a compassionate person, which is exactly why I help people who are in need, and why I helped people during and after Hurricane Katrina for not getting paid. Guess what…people have values other than just money. They also have compassion. Not everyone does, but the majority do. It’s only about 1/10 people who are psychopaths. There were a lot of people helping out when s~~~ hit the fan in Hurricane Katrina, who got paid nothing. Yes, people pitch in to help when they feel that something is important. It’s when their involuntarily selling s~~~ to people who don’t need it or just doing busy work that they feel what they are doing has no purpose. If you’re going to make accusations, then actually prove them by using my quotes. Empty accusations are not valid. At this point, you are only discrediting yourself by relying so heavily on sophistry and character attacks. In no way have I been demolished and neither has my argument, which is what you should have been attacking instead had you actually been capable.
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