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There is a reason that “work” is thus named as opposed to “super happy fun time.” Ceteris paribus, one prefers leisure to work.
It takes very little for a man to get by. In the animal kingdom, non-alpha* males spend most of their time laying around and doing nothing; the unfortunate alphas are tasked with being providers. In hunter-gatherer societies, it is estimated that one worked between 15 and 20 hours per week (see also – the original affluent society).
*This is one of the narrow applications where I endorse the categorisation of men by Greek letters.
One would think that technological advance would result in a decrease in the work week. How then did we get from 20 hours at most to the outrageous hours worked by the middle class? It is very simple – females and their real Prince Charming i.e. the regime, FIREmen, and other intermediaries and rent-seekers get in the way.
For example, let us examine the much fetishised house (or as Madison Ave. calls it, a “home”), ownership of which is part of the silly American Dream. By my calculations, an average house taxed at average property tax rates and with average maintenance costs will set one back about $6’600 per year merely to maintain the house and keep it from being stolen by the local regime. There is also interest paid in the course of a mortgage. These costs are inflated by mortgages, meddling with interest rates, and other FIRE** shenanigans that result in money out of your pocket and in to the sagging pockets of oligarchs.
**FIRE = Finance, Insurance, Real Estate
Females account for between 80 and 85% of consumer spending, indicating that men would be just fine with between 15 and 20% of what is being spent. We know that men earn the money; according to the Bureau of Labour Statistics, 66,2% of men work, while only 55,8% of women do. From this we conclude that females are spending men’s money, and that if men worked only to support their needs, they would either have a mountain of surplus cash, or they would have significantly more leisure time.
Taxation speaks for itself – females are the majority of the electorate thanks to increased longevity and the disenfranchisement of felons. It does not hurt that elections are held when people have to work. They have become adept at voting themselves money from the treasury in the form of disproportionate Social Security benefits, affirmative action in Federal employment, &c.
As to the practical application of the above – I am living in the original affluent society and this was achieved by not allowing the parasites of western society to suck my blood. I work at most 10 hours per week and this is sufficient for all of my expenses. This is so because I pay only my expenses, not those of single mothers, nor those of widows, nor those of bankers, nor those of landlords. In Hebrew, the word for money is “danim”, the same word for blood, and one must guard them both with equal diligence on account of parasites both bipedal and winged.
Maybe one day we will amend our circumstances in manners that are not feasible at this dire hour, but in the meantime, we can at least not add fuel to their fire.
Total agreement here. I see it the same as you. Maybe you can expand your views sometimes in the future. My son could use this when it comes from someone else other than me.
It takes very little for a man to get by. In the animal kingdom, non-alpha* males spend most of their time laying around and doing nothing; the unfortunate alphas are tasked with being providers. In hunter-gatherer societies, it is estimated that one worked between 15 and 20 hours per week (see also – the original affluent society).
Good point! Let the “leaders”, the PUAs, the white knights, and the friend zoned ones do all the work. I’ll just sit back and watch the fun from a safe distance.
Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?
My other threads might be helpful in this regard. Perhaps one day I will consolidate them.
Total agreement here. I see it the same as you. Maybe you can expand your views sometimes in the future. My son could use this when it comes from someone else other than me.
I agree, you’ve brought up some good points, but I also base my work week off of what I want. I’d like things for myself, like new producing equipment, new car, guns, ect. It’s amazing how much cool s~~~ you can afford when you also don’t need to support a leech like women.
Feminism is a movement where opinions are presented as facts and emotions are presented as evidence.
Totally agree. Since going MGTOW I’ve been able to live off of a part-time job where I work 15 hours every other weekend. And usually I have some money left over at the end of the month.
All the other guys at the job spend everything they get and then some to go out 3 times a week to chase women.
I’m currently finishing my MA, but I’m contemplating just continuing my minimalistic lifestyle with my part-time job. My time is very precious to me..We know that men earn the money; according to the Bureau of Labour Statistics, 66,2% of men work, while only 55,8% of women do.
Great post. And in reference to the quoted sentence, the same BLS stated that men earned over 70% of the total wages, due to overtime, seniority, dirty and dangerous conditions, and unsociable hours. This skews the total values even further.
From this we conclude that females are spending men’s money
You’re not wrong there! So, if I have this straight…..70% of the total wages by gender are earned by men, and 85% of the total consumer purchases are made by women, that means women are spending all of their own salaries (30% of the total) PLUS another 55% of the total, which is actually nearly double their earnings AGAIN! Women spend 3x their own salaries??
F~~~, no wonder the whole corporate system is designed to keep the money flowing from men to women. It’s good for profits. Who cares about men, when the bottom line is at stake?
Why work part time indefinitely? Just work full time, horde all your cash, retire early. Its like pulling a band aid off slow when you could just rip it off fast and be done with it.
Funny thing about all the liberals who want more taxes/spending by the government…if we ever get universal healthcare I’m going to retire 1 week later. My three biggest expenses are, in order, 1. retirement savings, 2. taxes, 3. healthcare. If I retire and have universal healthcare I can wipe out 1 and 3, and as my income drops my taxes will drop immensely as well. I’ll be enjoying my “free” healthcare paid for by Bernie Sanders voters who are still working while I’m retired in my 30s lol. Bonus would be if he started “forgiving” student loans right after the universal healthcare…at least I wouldn’t be working and paying taxes to fund that either.
Its funny how broken our system is when you aren’t looking at it through the lens of a debt encumbered mangina handing over your paycheck for some pussy.
Why work part time indefinitely? Because work sucks, and part time is less than full time.
I consider the risk and opportunity cost of savings to be much greater than the utility I would obtain by spending it right now. 401ks and bank accounts in general are akin to dangling a steak in front of a wolf. I keep enough in gold to cover a replacement vehicle, and my present vehicle has less than 50’000 mi, so I have no intention of saving anything else.
Why work part time indefinitely? Just work full time, horde all your cash, retire early. Its like pulling a band aid off slow when you could just rip it off fast and be done with it.
Thank you, Cipher, for taking a stand with me against property taxes. I detest them. I detest every single mechanism that forces people to pay, just to exist.
Work in of itself is not the primary problem. It is the type of work versus the return on working. Right now, when a man works, most of what he makes in the return either goes to pay necessities (overprices and going into the pockets of the rich), or in taxes (to pay for women to sit on their asses and pump out more children to grow the welfare state.)
I know from talking to older people that in the 1960’s, an entry level job would allow a person to rent a small apartment, afford plenty of food and a few amenities, while having little left over to have some fun in town.
In present day, an entry level job is not even enough of a return to afford to keep a roof over your head, let alone pay for all the other expenses just to survive.
We have a situation that society demands men work without reward, and in response men are checking out of society.
i spend about $15k/yr on my living expenses, and i’m living in luxury right now.
i own my place and i don’t have a roommate, which would of reduced my housing costs down to $200/mo.
i eat out for lunch every day, i go to the small mom & pops type places where you get good food and pay $10/meal vs the mainstream place’s $20-30/meal.
i drive a kick ass sporty sedan… i’m male and young, so insurance is a bitch – $180/mo ( only 3rd party cov ); again i do all of the car maintenance myself, including body work.if you do your own maintence like i do; then you don’t get f~~~ed over by contractors.
For example, a plumber will charge you $800 to replace a faucet ( calgary prices are retarded ). If you have a pre-1990s house, you have a 50/50 chance of having to instead pay $1600, because of some minor complication caused by plumber retardation. This is all not even including the cost of a faucet, 50-50 chance they force you to buy one from them. So, you buy an over priced one for $600. Bringing your bill up to $2400 to replace a f~~~ing faucet.DIY, buy a high compatibility, med quality brand like pfister from home depot, spend $150 + 1 hour of your time.
So, this is how i keep my costs low as a home owner, once you do that maintenance is like $50/mo.
If i were to get a roommate, my expenses would drop to $6k/yr.
And the government says that the poverty line is $25k/yr…
My Goal: To Leave Society.
Why work part time indefinitely? Because work sucks, and part time is less than full time.
Not working anymore at 40 is better than working until I can’t work anymore.
I consider the risk and opportunity cost of savings to be much greater than the utility I would obtain by spending it right now. 401ks and bank accounts in general are akin to dangling a steak in front of a wolf. I keep enough in gold to cover a replacement vehicle, and my present vehicle has less than 50’000 mi, so I have no intention of saving anything else.
You guys with your gold lol. Hows that -40% drop over the last 4 years working for ya? You literally would have been better off having a backpack full of cash lol.
Meanwhile my 401k was up 12% last year and another 3% so far this year without counting dividends, and my brokerage up about 10% over the last year.
Gold’s just another commodity brother…its manipulated like all the rest these days. Do yourself a favor and put some money somewhere you’ll actually get a return…then live off those returns instead of working forever. Energy and material stocks are on sale right now….you can pick up some big utilities stocks paying 4-5% dividends and large diverse utilities aren’t going anywhere considering we aren’t going to suddenly stop using electricity.
i spend about $15k/yr on my living expenses, and i’m living in luxury right now.
Nice. That is about my budget too. Its amazing how cheaply you can live when you don’t need lots of stuff, and its comical to watch all the people who willingly dig themselves into debt because they can’t do without the latest smart phones, a vacation or two a year, fancy clothes, bling, etc.
Not working anymore at 40 is better than working until I can’t work anymore.
Be that as it may, that requires capital I am unwilling to accumulate.
You guys with your gold lol. Hows that -40% drop over the last 4 years working for ya? You literally would have been better off having a backpack full of cash lol.
Meanwhile my 401k was up 12% last year and another 3% so far this year without counting dividends, and my brokerage up about 10% over the last year.
I am not concerned that unbacked debt certificates to wit Federal Reserve notes are going for 71% more gold than they were 4 years ago. Gold is money, paper is not.
Gold’s just another commodity brother…its manipulated like all the rest these days. Do yourself a favor and put some money somewhere you’ll actually get a return…then live off those returns instead of working forever. Energy and material stocks are on sale right now….you can pick up some big utilities stocks paying 4-5% dividends and large diverse utilities aren’t going anywhere considering we aren’t going to suddenly stop using electricity.
First of all, 401ks are perilous for the reason I have already described. You are playing with fire; this will not end well for you.
Second, I am not going to convert gold in to electronic entries on a server. If the option still existed to take delivery of share certificates without paying an odious $500 fee to a brokerage and I could receive dividends via cheque, you might have a point. I am not going to open myself up to counterparty risk, bail-ins, or other FIRE chicanery, nor will I have anything to do with the Internal Revenue Service.
Finally, when things get nasty, one flees with gold, not share certificates, and definitely not statements from an electronic brokerage.
I am not concerned that unbacked debt certificates to wit Federal Reserve notes are going for 71% more gold than they were 4 years ago. Gold is money, paper is not.
Gold isn’t money. Gold is a commodity.
First of all, 401ks are perilous for the reason I have already described. You are playing with fire; this will not end well for you.
As long as the relative worth of my 401k is out pacing gold, which it has been doing by a large margin…its going to end very well for me. Plus I get to put the money in tax free and get an employer match…its just win, win, and more win.
Second, I am not going to convert gold in to electronic entries on a server. If the option still existed to take delivery of share certificates without paying an odious $500 fee to a brokerage and I could receive dividends via cheque, you might have a point. I am not going to open myself up to counterparty risk, bail-ins, or other FIRE chicanery, nor will I have anything to do with the Internal Revenue Service.
I’d rather someone hold the certificates on my behalf for the same reason I don’t leave large amounts of cash laying around my house instead of in the bank. If I want to get cash for my dividends it takes 1 day to transfer to my checking account and I can head down to my local branch and withdraw cash, write a check, or use my debit card. I actually get my money faster than waiting for a check to be mailed lol.
Finally, when things get nasty, one flees with gold, not share certificates, and definitely not statements from an electronic brokerage.
When things get that nasty, I have guns. I pity the idiots running around with a bar of gold in a backpack thinking they have something useful. Besides…where are you going to flee to with a bar of gold lol.
The common thread in the below replies appears to be that you have employed normalcy bias and neglected counterparty risk. Such a thing betrays an ignorance of history and recent developments in the financial world.
Gold isn’t money. Gold is a commodity.
The two categories are not mutually exclusive.
As long as the relative worth of my 401k is out pacing gold, which it has been doing by a large margin…its going to end very well for me. Plus I get to put the money in tax free and get an employer match…its just win, win, and more win.
As long as I get to nibble on this cheese inside this mouse trap, it is going to end well for me. Its just win, win and more win.
lol
I’d rather someone hold the certificates on my behalf for the same reason I don’t leave large amounts of cash laying around my house instead of in the bank. If I want to get cash for my dividends it takes 1 day to transfer to my checking account and I can head down to my local branch and withdraw cash, write a check, or use my debit card. I actually get my money faster than waiting for a check to be mailed lol.
The advantage of holding certificates is to eliminate the counterparty. Given the unstable state of the financial system, this is beneficial. Even bundles of cash are easy to hide in a house; you must be exceptionally poor at hiding things. As for getting my paper “money”, I keep it in cash for the precise reason that I want instant access without stupid things such as debit cards.
You also neglected to note that you are playing a dangerous game. Let us use the allegory of a hungry lion.
The lion sees you’ve been hunting on his territory and are possessed of steaks. He offers three options:
1 – hand over a few steaks now
2 – hand over many steaks to the cheetah, but at a much later date, more steaks will be returned over a period of time, and one hands over to the lion a smaller percentage overall
2a – if one wishes to get some of these back, one will be penalised 10% of the steaks he handed over
3 – be mauled to deathThe lion, having the power to maul, is the one setting the rules for the game. The lion’s friend has also been playing fast and loose with the accounting.
As we speak, the lion is devouring steaks like it’s no one’s business; he is eating significantly more than he is obtaining through extorting poor game hunters such as yourself. Therefore, it is quite plausible that he is going to change the rules to favour himself, perhaps taking a significantly larger percentage of each of the cheetah’s disbursements, taking control of the cheetah’s holdings and leaving IOUs in its place, or just defaulting entirely.
There is a chance that the cheetah might abscond with them too. He botched things about eight years ago, but the lion has assured hunters by making a show of reprimanding him while doing nothing of any practical value.
Right now, the cheetah is telling you that on paper, you have 12% or however many more steaks in the form of antelope running around. In theory, one could take delivery and pay the 10% penalty. That would not be such a bad option as it would be better to sacrifice some steaks today instead of risking the whole thing being forfeit.
I do not play games with lions, instead, I poach at night when he’s f~~~ing the lionesses.
In case someone doesn’t get the references:
Lion – Washington
Cheetah – Wall St.
Hunters – taxpayersWhen things get that nasty, I have guns. I pity the idiots running around with a bar of gold in a backpack thinking they have something useful. Besides…where are you going to flee to with a bar of gold lol.
I pity the idiots that are going to wallow in this s~~~hole because they cannot escape to a civilised country. The whole world is not the United States; thank goodness for that. Otherwise all the peoples of the world would be imbecilic and obese.
My monetary instrument of choice is the gold sovereign with a face value of £1. It remains legal tender in the United Kingdom. I am only required to declare, at the current exchange rate, quantities greater than £6’800.
You are correct that it would be infeasible to flee after things got nasty. That is why one would flee beforehand. I am a dual citizen and can travel as I please between the two lands.
CPUs no longer use gold, electronics in general barely use it anymore, no currency in the world is backed by gold.
it is no different than currency, it has no backing aside from the value that we perceive it.
If you think about it, the only thing that is actually holding up the value of gold… is WOMEN.
Gold Wedding Rings.
Gold Jewelry.On top of it, unless your physically buying the gold, your paying for even less than money, as gold bonds were oversold big time. there are 3-4x the number of gold bonds to the actual amount of gold.
Land is the only thing that has had any real value and kept that real value throughout the ages.
“prices” may go up and down, crash and boom, but overall it will always go up so long as the population increases or the standard of living increases.China, India, russia, brazil, these are all emerging markets; as they develop land will increase in demand, thus value.
Now ofc, when you buy land, your not actually buying it, it’s more that your renting it from the government. But the same thing applies to everything; the government both canada and the us can do anything they want to you. Someone can make a clerical error and you could find yourself with absolutely nothing, not even the clothing on your back. And in the US you can legally be picked off the street and tortured for the rest of your life. Obama gave himself the power to do so to any person the first Christmas eve that he was in power.
My Goal: To Leave Society.
The advantage of holding certificates is to eliminate the counterparty. Given the unstable state of the financial system, this is beneficial. Even bundles of cash are easy to hide in a house; you must be exceptionally poor at hiding things. As for getting my paper “money”, I keep it in cash for the precise reason that I want instant access without stupid things such as debit cards.
Well…good for you leaving money laying around losing value to inflation. I got money in my checking account earning me 3%, I’d rather have it there. The credit union paid me 400 dollars last year just to not be an idiot stashing more money in my condo than my condo is worth, especially when someone could very easily break into while I’m at work and I’d have no recourse to recover that cash. Even if the cops caught the thief, but the money was already spent and he had no more to pay me back I’d be screwed.
I pity the idiots that are going to wallow in this s~~~hole because they cannot escape to a civilised country. The whole world is not the United States; thank goodness for that. Otherwise all the peoples of the world would be imbecilic and obese.
My monetary instrument of choice is the gold sovereign with a face value of £1. It remains legal tender in the United Kingdom. I am only required to declare, at the current exchange rate, quantities greater than £6’800.
You are correct that it would be infeasible to flee after things got nasty. That is why one would flee beforehand. I am a dual citizen and can travel as I please between the two lands.
I don’t see what your point is…I have plenty of money invested in international companies. Unless the world collapses I’m still collecting dividends, and if the world collapses going to the UK isn’t going to do you any better than you’d do here. Have fun with that 0 return gold that at best will maybe hedge against inflation…meanwhile I’ll enjoy my investments paying me dividends and growing over the years.
CPUs no longer use gold, electronics in general barely use it anymore, no currency in the world is backed by gold.
it is no different than currency, it has no backing aside from the value that we perceive it.
If you think about it, the only thing that is actually holding up the value of gold… is WOMEN.
Gold Wedding Rings.
Gold Jewelry.On top of it, unless your physically buying the gold, your paying for even less than money, as gold bonds were oversold big time. there are 3-4x the number of gold bonds to the actual amount of gold.
BINGO! You get it. Gold is just another commodity. Its pretty much useless to the average person other than for jewelry, and if we have some sort of massive financial event that is so awful our currency collapses people are going to be most concerned about food, shelter, and protection…gold will provide none of those.
Well…good for you leaving money laying around losing value to inflation. I got money in my checking account earning me 3%, I’d rather have it there. The credit union paid me 400 dollars last year just to not be an idiot stashing more money in my condo than my condo is worth, especially when someone could very easily break into while I’m at work and I’d have no recourse to recover that cash. Even if the cops caught the thief, but the money was already spent and he had no more to pay me back I’d be screwed.
Yes, good for me for not keeping money in banks when the FDIC has $35 billion to backstop between $6 and $10 trillion in deposits depending on whose numbers one is using. A fart from JP Morgan would send $35 billion in to the aether. I keep cash on hand for operational expenses; everything else is in precious metals, so any debasement of the paper currency is ancillary.
I also think you’re lying about getting 3% interest in a chequeing account when the Federal Funds rate is 0,25%.
I don’t see what your point is…
You do not see many points, so I seriously doubt that my explaining matters further would be of any benefit to either party.
In passing, my dual citizenship is not in an Anglophone country, and it will be faring better than the United States I would bet.
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