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  • #587165

    In reply to: Death

    Sky-☯️
    Sky-☯️
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    Bloody-H,

    I was there a couple of times in my life. It was a very dark period of time.

    I’m not going to type this right now and say hang in there with the reason being because things get better or some bulls~~~ about how ‘suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem.’

    F~~~ that. Because this world is a joke. And is run and controlled by pigs. By subhuman cowards that have the entire system and game rigged.

    I’m going to tell you to hang in there and stay strong because:

    Every day you continue to live is an act of defiance against those that lack the strength to ever bring you down directly and in person.

    At one point in my life when all I had left was the struggle. And I learned to trust it and embrace it.

    But I never gave up. I wasn’t going to leave this place in the hands of the psychotic animals that sit back giggling at the twisted s~~~ they inject into the world.

    No way.

    I wasn’t going to check out and have that final act be the end of my legacy.

    Now, at some point, way down the road, I might take that route. But it will only be at what is the end of my journey anyway. When I can’t live life to it’s fullest anymore. But it won’t be because they broke me. It won’t be because I gave up.

    It will be the next logical step based on current circumstances that will allow me to transcend to the next level of consciousness outside of this physical realm.

    To conclude. I am only this fluid and epic with my thoughts after jumping out of planes all day, then slamming about 11 Redhook IPAs, taking a massive bong hit and hanging with my dog.

    #587157
    Absumo
    Absumo
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    I can understand the sense of guilt from feeling as if disappointing your parents for not getting married or having kids. However, in this day and age it truly is far more dangerous then it would ever be worth. Even if the times were better, it still honestly not something to go for due to female nature being exposed even more than it has been. It would seem at least your father is indeed understanding of your viewpoints. Ultimately, it is your life. The one who has the final say in your life is yourself.

    As for my own parents, they both also have told me outright they wanted to have grandchildren; despite the fact my sister already is currently married with children already. My family knows full well I have no desire for neither family nor children. For now, they more or less accept the fact I will not be involved with women at all. However, they have in the past tried to utilize tactics and plans in an attempt to convince me otherwise. In the end, it never did work, and it never will.

    #586678

    In reply to: The Financial Deal

    Monk
    Monk
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    @ Sparky.
    Some thoughts and questions.

    Why did she quit her job? What’s the score here? Nurses should be easily employable.

    Is staying married really advisable?

    Is continuing to be linked to a financial black hole a good idea? Perhaps you should be looking to sever the connection between you.

    Why keep lending her money? All the ‘helping out’ seems to have been pretty much one way. This must stop, but plan your moves carefully.

    Your fathers house is still in his name. Dead people can’t own stuff, so this needs some legal advice.

    She may suddenly decide that your fathers house is an asset that she could obtain (I assume you are the only heir), if she divorced you.

    If the house were sold, would there be enough to buy somewhere smaller and to clear your debts? This would need to be done carefully to prevent her grabbing any of it.

    Overall, I would suggest ruthless retrenchment. Cut costs drastically.

    Continue to pay something on your debts. Creditors can usually be negotiated with, as bankruptcy is the last thing they want to see (unless of course they find out about the house, in which case they might push for it). After a period of minimal payments, they often offer a reduced final payoff deal.

    You mentioned your home town in the post. Admin may want to remove that to prevent you (and her), being identified.

    Bushido
    Bushido
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    *Almost* me.

    An ex who I was very emotionally/mentally connected to broke up with me. I, being in the military and 1000 miles away, started calling back home to various companies and began planning a long romantic evening complete with a limousine and a sunset sail. I’d have to get a very expensive spontaneous plane ticket, rental car – quite doable! It would’ve cost me a few grand to execute – something that I could “afford”, but still pay for – literally. That would spark the relationship and bring us back to normal! (lol no)

    I finally gave up (unwillingly, at the time) on the idea and I didn’t end up going through with it. Considering how emotionally cold she became (and the fact I begun to see the Red Pill light), I’m glad I avoided the idea.

    GENTS: You can buy romance, but you can’t afford it.

    Logic guides your actions, emotion guides your morals. Only you may decide how you use them.

    Sky-☯️
    Sky-☯️
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    Reject them?

    I have way more fun.

    The last pumpkin that tried locking onto the Sky-0 after a few weeks of knowing her was speechless when I mentioned my ‘plan’.

    When she finally asked me if things were going anywhere, I let her know that I’m a lone outlaw, don’t get tied down and my only obligation is to my 9lb Maltese sidekick.

    Then I told her that I was in the process already of actively trying to find a boyfriend for her. LOL Made suggestions to her of guy friends of mine that she knew.

    Listed positive & negative aspects and traits of the top three potential candidates and suggested she let me set up dates with them so she could figure out what she wants.

    I acted dead serious the entire time & she was freaking speechless.

    #583132
    Trapper
    Trapper
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    This happened a little while ago. I’m reluctant to even post about it, but think it may be relevant.

    I went to a restaurant/bar in my very small farm town. I’ve made a point to avoid its establishments since I moved there, always driving the extra 20 minutes to a larger town. I prefer to not be bothered and having lived in several small towns previously, I’ve learned ghosting is the best approach. I was reminded why in an epic way!

    It took about 3 seconds. Everyone stopped and stared. Voices lowered to a whisper. These people were bored! Within minutes a guy sat next to me and started small talk. I drank my beer. Then his wife joined us. Beer. then another guy and girl. Beer. Soon the entire place had introduced themselves and were being overly friendly. I instantly recognized the situation and should’ve left immediately. I’ve been through an appraisal process before. Hell, I’ve been part of one before.

    I decided to play a couple games of pool with the one guy. Meanwhile his wife started texting. Minutes later a girl came in and gave her a hug. Come to find out it’s THE TOWNS TOKEN SINGLE MOTHER! I hate small towns sometimes. Suddenly I realized the depth of my situation. I instantly switched to drinking water. Locals kept trying to order me beer. I absolutely won’t drive drunk or buzzed. I’m also not leaving my truck behind!

    The other problem with small towns is once people make up their mind about a stranger, it sticks.

    I have business aspirations down the road so tact was needed. I’m not good at tact. I’m terrible at drunken tact. My tongue was practically bleeding by the end of the night.

    The whole place was in a lively mood when I discovered the next pool game was actually doubles. Yup! A drunk MGTOW and the towns single mother were teamed up for the bars biggest game of irony.

    Women were already smiling at her and trying their best to pry information out of me. They’d whisper to me what an amazing woman she is. She’s been through so much. When they asked questions I was stubbornly vague. I was also cornered like a rat until I could sober up completely.

    Rather than being hen pecked to death,I chose to go on the offensive. I asked single mum about herself. She opened the flood gates of her tainted dark soul. I got her going on her ex. I got her talking about her kid. I got her talking about her ex again. She spoke about how hard she works (part time) and how tough single motherhood is. She bragged she won custody of the kid… slamming her ex who wasn’t there to defend himself (works full time). She spewed on about her boss and coworkers. By the end of it she was drinking like a sailor and calling me “hun”!

    She even tried to make group plans for me to go along with for the next weekend. I politely declined. By now other women were stepping in trying to get her to shut up. She was s~~~ hammered and running in full princess mode. Their little plot had failed.

    Even the guy’s that struck me as blue pill, knew she blew it. They really didn’t care either way, only their wives or girlfriends did. Her narcissism was on full display. She had no clue.

    When I finally left I assessed the damages from the night. They knew my first name, not my last. Nobody knows were I actually live. Nobody knows where I work. I only bought drinks for myself. Some poor child of a single mother is tucking himself into bed. Another single mom had shown her desperation and lack of value. I absolutely wasted my entire evening.

    #582536
    Zarathustra
    Zarathustra
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    When I got divorced in 2008 I moved back to my home town and bought an old house for cheap. It was in an older crime ridden neighborhood but had 6 bedrooms and 3 bathrooms and I bought it with a view to subdividing it and renting a few suites. Plans got away from me and I didn’t finally move out and rent it out until last year.

    In the interim it became a little like the “Paper Street” house from Fight Club, without the anarchy and domestic terrorism. I would let out rooms at $300 a pop, including all utilities, wi-fi , cable etc… to men who had recently divorced or left the GF’s and needed a safe place to land and collect themselves while they rebuilt their lives and finances. It was good for everyone: these men didn’t have a lot of money and their rent helped me financially.

    I always told them when they moved in they could stay as long as they wanted but I hoped they would move out at some point because it meant their lives were getting better.

    I had one guy who became one of my best friends and stayed there for the last 6 years. Last year he lent me a good sum of money to fix the roof. It was very kind of him and since he was enjoying living there and planning on staying, we agreed that in a year (2017) I would repay him by adding him on title, so he had equity in the house he was living in.

    But that deal fell apart because of….. you guessed it a bitch. He informed me 3 months ago he wouldn’t be staying on as he was going to buy a house with his girlfriend and he wanted to be repaid immediately.
    I had a few stressful months figuring out how to repay him. The house appraised for less than I thought and two of the other tenants moved out, leaving me short. But because I am a banker and good with finances I got it all sorted out.

    Meanwhile… he and his girlfriend have been looking for houses for 3 months and despite the fact they have enough to buy a decent house they haven’t found one yet because she is an entitled princess. A realtor friend called me and said she is driving him nuts, asking to see a dozen houses a day, finding faults with every one and then blaming the realtor. The realtor I talked to, who I know from the industry, said he is the 3rd realtor she has hired but she still can’t find a house.

    Now, because I have the whole house rented to a new tenant for Sept 1st, my friend is homeless and moving in with his GF’s parents, he is 35 and she is 28 and a typical millennial.

    IN conclusion two points: 1.) I as a man put a roof over a brother’s head for 6 years and it takes a bitch but a year to make the man homeless. I had to see his GF a lot over the last few months because I was back and forth at the rental dealing with s~~~ and they were living there. She was a major bitch to me and I finally overheard an argument they had where she was blaming me for their situation because he lent me the money and she says that delayed their house purchase. Which is total bulls~~~ projecting. It’s not my fault princess can’t find her castle. They have no sense of loyalty or past. The fact that I took care of her boyfriend for 6 years and did a lot of s~~~ for him means nothing. All that matters is I was a few weeks late paying him back. Funny how as soon as she finds out he is coming into a bit of money its time to go house shopping.

    2.) This mini financial crisis was very stressful for me. I suffer from a lot of anxiety, generally, and this financial problem caused me sleepless nights….. BUT… every day I woke up grateful I didn’t have some bitch attached to me while I dealt with this financial problem. Like I need someone nagging me about money, second guessing me and criticizing my every move without offering help. It’s not like a woman is going to pick up a hammer or fix the sink or patch the drywall or have any helpful suggestions about reorganizing my finances to pay my buddy back. This financial crisis really taught me what dead weight they are.

    #582321
    Ranger One
    Ranger One
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    I got less than 24 hrs before my own uncontested divorce hearing before the magistrate. That will officially start the next phase of my life; the last one, before the retirement phase. After the order for the QDRO is signed off on, by the judge tomorrow, I will start adding to my 401K plan again, among other things.

    It will finally be time to move forward on certain issues.

    All my life I've had doubts about who I am, where I belonged. Now I'm like the arrow that springs from the bow. No hesitation, no doubts. The path is clear. And what are you? Alive. Everything else is negotiable. Women have rights; men have responsibilities; MGTOW have freedom. Marriage is for chumps. If someone stands in the way of true justice, you simply walk up behind them and stab them in the heart-R'as al Ghul.

    #582309

    Anonymous

    Well color me surprised, the people that Marvel is/was catering to, do not spend money on comics.

    A lot of B.S. spin but in a nutshell it was ‘their plan all along’. Yeah, right.

    After months of a controversial storyline in which Marvel Comics turned Captain America into a fascist dictator in a reality where World War Two was won by the evil, Nazi-like organization Hydra, Marvel is dumping the storyline and returning the Captain to being a hero.

    More Here:
    http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2017/08/28/dumping-fascist-cap-character-marvel-comics-finally-makes-captain-america-hero/

    #582288

    Topic: Greetings

    in forum Introductions
    Free man
    Free man
    Participant

    Hi all,
    Glad to be part of a forum of like minded men.
    I’ve read quite a few stories on here and I guess I’ll share mine.

    Mine started back when I was 19, young and stupid ( even though I thought I knew everything at the time) it was at that young age that I learned I was going to be a father, doing what I thought was the right thing, and it was. I married what was then my high school sweetheart. I wanted to make sure that any offspring of mine was raised by me and not someone else. We struggled like most young couples in that situation do, but persevered. I thought I was living the typical American life. I never knew a thing about the true nature of women or how diabolically cold and calculating they were. I thought that my little sweetheart was incapable of any major wrongdoing. Fast forward 28 years and two more kids later and I was about to be handed a lesson that would forever change my life.
    To say that we had a blissful marriage would be a lie, but for the most part it wasn’t too bad, she did spend far too much money but what woman doesn’t? I took my blue pills and thought that it was “just the way things were”. While we did struggle for the first few years I ended up starting my own business at age 29 and it was a near overnight success. Looking back, that’s when the changes really started to happen with the dear wifey. All of a sudden there was money and lots of it. First I bought her her first new car, then I build her a new house, not that there was a thing wrong with the one we lived in. She always drove a newer vehicle than I did. I worked up to 80 hours a week to grow my business and to secure a future for my two daughters and one son. I swear she shopped for 80 hours a week sometimes. That materialistic parasite filled a 3000+ Sq Ft house with every useless trinket you can think of, nothing but junk. No matter how much I made she could spend it all if I let her. Guess what most of our arguments were about? That’s right MONEY!
    As if that wasn’t bad enough, with every kid she had she put on more and more weight, totally obese by the time my son came along.
    Let me tell you guys something, if you want an exercise in futility, try getting a domesticated female off of her fat ass to exercise and eat right. Something new to fight about if I dared mention it.
    Now, my ex was probably the most shy and timid woman that I ever knew so her cheating on me or otherwise betraying me and our family was something that I never even thought possible. Add in a gastric bypass ( surgery for those too f~~~ing lazy to try and lose the weight by natural means) and all of a sudden the little bitch starts hatching a different personality. She lost almost all of her excess weight and to be honest was looking pretty good. At least when she had clothes on,LOL.
    So now that she lost all of the weight that never should have accumulated on her carcass in the first place she started spending even more of my money, I was on a first name basis with the UPS driver as he was delivering packages on at the very least a weekly basis. Not to mention that the mailbox was always full of either parcels or the statements to pay for all of the s~~~ she bought. To be fair, she did have a good job and made money, but she could spend both paychecks on absolutely nothing, in fact I think she thought it was her birthright to do so. Last year I finally found out that her betrayal of me and my kids went far deeper.
    Two years ago I had set her up in an even better job, closer to home, less stress, easier work for more money. How did she repay me? The better part of 2016 was a journey through hell for me,constant emotional abuse, threats of divorce. And the best part she started having an affair with a guy she worked with in the new job I got for her. I never would have known if I hadn’t listened to the little voice in my head, She had to travel overnight to my daughters house for a doctor’s appointment related to her gastric bypass operation, something told me that things were off and I planted a digital recording device in her car. BEST THING I EVER DID IN MY LIFE! And also the worst. Low and behold, the faithful wife and mother was setting up a rendezvous with her coworker at a hotel room to polish his knob. All caught on tape. A week before our 29th wedding anniversary no less 🙁
    When she got back home the next day I retrieved my recorder and was totally devastated by what I heard. Long story short, I lost it. I spent the next three days not eating or sleeping and growing more and more angry with each passing moment. I nearly committed suicide and I ended up threatening the scumbag that had the affair with my now ex wife and got arrested for the first time in my life at 48 years old. Still shoveling in the blue pills I tried everything to try and patch up my marriage, I’m not a quitter I agreed to counseling (something I swore I’d never do.) The day before Valentine’s day this year we have our final argument and I warned her that if she walked out on me and my son that she would not be coming back through the door. Out the door she went, never looked back. I swallowed my first red pill right then and there and said enough of this crap. I fought for what was rightfully mine and ended up keeping my house and nearly everything in it and my teenage son lives with me, we have cut almost all ties with that ungrateful wench and even my two daughters can’t stand her. My kids know the sacrifices and hard work that I did so that they could start out well in life. There is soooooo much more to my story but suffice to say, I’m a better man after all of this and I will never be mistreated and/or used by a splittail ever again. I take my red pill daily and I’m feeding my son the red pill as well so that he doesn’t end up in the same boat as me.
    Less than a month after my divorce the little whore has gotten remarried to a different guy she has only known for a couple of months. I know that poor chump is in for a fleecing.
    I guess some women have to go through their midlife crisis before they start riding the c~~~ carousel.

    I’m know that I’m one of the rare instances of a guy coming out on top in the divorce and I’ll NEVER get married again, ever. I doubt my son ever will either.

    You would have better luck finding the Loch Ness monster hanging out with Santa Claus and Elvis in El Dorado than finding a liberal with a lick of common sense or integrity.

    Another factor, experts say, is that men are actually more sensitive than women, and struggle to deal with romantic knock-backs.

    No, she has orbiter swarms chaffing at the bit to serve as wallet, or dick stand. Whatever a cupcake desires can be provided by her orbiters.

    A man faces romantic knock-backs alone on his own(Until now). Chads are the only exception.

    I won’t call a woman who can’t cook, has had too many c~~~s to mention in polite company, and is covered in prison grade tats a good woman.

    I actually agree with this, especially for good and inexperienced men.

    Men are far more emotional and fall deeper into love and are far more loyal. Women do not have emotions, they don’t have loyalty, they don’t give two s~~~s about a male even when inexperienced, even when young. It is just natural for them, they are parasites, predators. There is no kindness or compassion in them, no higher thought. They only use, and justify it if needed, but they don’t actually feel. This is also why it’s so easy for them to manipulate, they fake emotion to manipulate because they don’t have actual emotion. If they had actual emotion or could actually care, it would be far harder for them to behave as they do. A man would never want to cut his daughter’s clit off, but mothers are eager to mutilate their son’s genitalia. A father watches out for a daughter and doesn’t want her to be uncomfortable or to marry a bad man. A mother is quick to urge her son to marry a bad woman, and then side with her over him.

    It is men that do back breaking labor for women. It is men that leave their homes to fight in muddy, cold ditches on foreign shores to protect women. It is men that go without, that suffer, all for the sake of women.

    And it is women that don’t have the slightest shred of gratitude, who don’t have the slightest sympathy, who can not bring themselves to even pretend they care when they know society won’t punish them for it.

    It is men that pine over a lost woman. It is men that commit suicide after a breakup. It is men that have substance abuse problems and depression. It is men that still labor and turn over resources for their children—women simply refuse to pay child support and laugh about it in the rare times they are even on the hook. It is men that even when a woman destroys him in divorce, can’t bring himself to blame her and think her evil, instead choosing to blame lawyers or judges.

    Only when men have enough experience do they finally begin to turn cold. And that experience does not happen when young and over just a partner or two. A man will still believe in NAWALT even after that. It requires many opportunities and a near constant stream of open, consistent, awful female behavior reinforcing male disposability and the abject hatred women as a whole have for men, before men even begin to change and understand.

    That is also why when a man is fully MGTOW, it is completely over for women. There isn’t a thing women can do to get him back onto the plantation, because the mindset has completely shifted. Knowledge has changed him. He understands what women are and how futile it is to expect anything from them, and thus he no longer allows himself that position of weakness, that blue pill simpness.

    But prior to reaching that level? There is no question in my mind that blue pill men are far more emotional than women, and are far more affected by how women perceive and respond to him romantically, and take any rejection or withdrawal of female interest extremely personally/to heart. When a woman is screwing with a blue pill man’s emotions, she is outright killing him, and she knows it, and she takes great pleasure in it. Because that is just what women are. That is also why post-wall women complain and project so much, they know full well what they did and the joy they took in it, and are scared that men will return that on them. But whether fortunate or not for women, it turns out men want nothing to do with them instead, which seems to be an even more frightening prospect for women than if these men returned the abuse.

    Great Post!

    Never lose sight of what brought you here.

    #581962

    Welcome S,

    You have a nice way of describing situations.

    You’re Introduction and the great replies that it has generated are appreciated.

    What women are doing in our RelationS~~~s, marriages, and culture is very similar to the deeds of the Emerald Jeweled Wasp.

    Here is a lecture about the parasitic “Jeweled Wasp.” This tiny creature uses chemistry to control, dominate, and consume a much larger c~~~roach. The large “prey” is kept alive to feed/ nurture the offspring of the Wasp.

    Carl Zimmer book. “Parasite Rex,” gives many examples of parasitic relationships in nature.

    ….My only remaining question is; how do I eliminate my desire for female companionship and sex?

    That is the eternal Question for Heterosexual men like us.

    It is like asking a Heroin addict how to eliminate the desire for Heroin.

    …….so that I can finally know what sex feels like. I have probably built-up sex in my mind, to be something more romantic/wonderful than it really is….

    Here is Post I made to discuss the chemistry associated with sex:

    /forums/topic/blue-pill-men-are-really-pheremone-addicts/

    Much of the stuff we are force fed about sex is deceptions.

    You will be giving up more than you realize, when you choose to lose your virginity.

    Here is another Post I made about the relationship between sex and Masculine Power in Internal Martial Arts training:

    /forums/topic/the-power-of-celibacy/

    ……I wish I had your spotless track record and all the emotional damage you avoided. A fair trade, my experiences and scars any day for your ignorance. Count your blessings none had the opportunity to stain your soul. They’re that BAD!

    Well said Tower.

    And the damage to a man’s soul is often overlooked.

    Here is a link to a Post that discusses this topic:

    /forums/topic/todays-womyn-are-like-wild-boars-razerbacks/

    My Mentor Dave is a Heterosexual Manly Man who happens to be a virgin in his eighties.

    Dave is thirty years older than me and is one of the greatest guys I know. He has been MGTOW, “Red Pill,” all of his life.
    He helped me to keep power plants running safely and avoid blowing them up. He is one of the best Engineers any one has ever known.

    Dave still lives at his parents’ home that his Father built. He enjoyed his folks and was there to help them out when they were in their nineties. They never had to go to a nursing home and Dave was with them when they passed.

    One of the reasons Dave never went off to Montana is because of his popularity in the Mid-West. For as long as I can remember, Dave always has a great sense of humor mixed with a state of peace and tranquility that transfers to anyone who is with him. Even in his eighties, his days are full of social calls, adventures, relaxation, harmony, and merriment. Some of his activities include shooting, sports cars, biking, nature walks, reading, and meetings with likeminded fellows.

    Dave will dine out with the occasional woman but they are mostly “boring” and usually try to get Dave to fight with their neighbors.

    Dave claims that “when women get together in groups, they sound like a bunch of hens clucking.”

    Dave had plenty of opportunities for marriage, but they all “didn’t work out.” Instead of sitting around feeling depressed when a “Unicorn” turned out to be just another “Filthy Mule,” Dave would jump out of planes in a parachute or go hang gliding. When the greatest blue pill “temptation” fell through, she was not his “Soul Mate” after all, Dave went out and got his Pilot’s License.

    One of the greatest gifts that Dave gave me was the realization of Serenity. With the attainment of Serenity, I am never bored. Peace and Tranquility are now glorious treasures. Having Serenity makes an interval spent watching sun sets/ rises, Bird Watching, and being Outdoors in Primal Forests a sacred time.

    You have found a gold mine at MGTOW.com

    Keep digging into the archives and read the older Posts.

    You can read the writing of your favorite MGTOWs by going to their profile page and clicking their “Forums” tab.

    Also, there are some great replies to questions asked in the Introductions.

    What happens when a man finally comprehends the cold and calculating thoughts that are going through a woman's mind, while her eyes are brimming with tears?


    Anonymous

    MGTOW IS on the radar with only 25K+ members–yes a blip but given the response from women/feminists you would think we must have 25 million members

    25k members here. There are other forums. And there are the lurkers who just don’t want to give their email address, whatever, but read forums. and there are those who are red-pilled / on their way but don’t know that it has a name, as they were awakened by their life experiences.

    Probably millions of members in that point of view. This forum is just the top of the iceberg
    .

    If life hurts badly enough, intelligent people will ask questions from themselves about life. There is a chance they will ask the right questions, and then think about it and they get red-pilled.

    Let me explain. The mainstream media / mainstream way of thinking misguides this questions about life to this way:
    – “What is wrong with me? Something must be wrong with me, I’m not good enough, my relationship fails all the time, I’m doing something wrong, …”
    – “How to have stable relationship” “why relationships fail?”
    – “where are the good women and how to pick them up”
    – and similar stuff.

    The main problem with the previous questions, that they are phrased within the blue-pill world, and do not question anything about the hidden truth. Mainstream tends to hide / not answer / misguide the right questions, so that it is not in the mind of people and cannot even think about it. The same way as they tend to censor out certain topics.

    As if a gun is held to everyone’s head from the back, but it is not allowed to discuss about it and tell others that there is a gun held to their head from behind. So mostly no one would ever think on it, or think on looking what’s behind him, and see that gun and then get away from the danger.

    Am I exaggerating? No, people can die from failed “love” in many (also cruel and painful) ways.

    The good questions to ask are:
    – “Is “love” a bad thing, actually the worst kind of addictive drug?” “Is everything about romantic love a lie and bulls~~~?” “What do I really want to do with my life?”
    These type of questions are the elephant in the glass shop that is not to be talked about.

    And when people start realizing that these questions exist and can be thought about, then red pill goes even more skyrocket, but it will be a ghost-rocket, something stealthy and invisible, but the end results will tell it is there. I see that skyrocket fly more in the next 5 years, and it is already flying. The results in 10 years. Reasoning: I did not know red pill 2 years ago, and I’m on the other side of the planet in Eastern Europe, just by searching answers for a few months. Finally I found this forum and realized I’m not alone with these questions.

    in 10+ years? I don’t see human extinction. Birth rates may be half of what is nowadays, but there are always those who endlessly believe in blue pill and hope for romantic love despite their own and others terrible experiences. Population decrease may be compensated by immigrants, but I guess, that it may happen in some slow and limited way. And, also the good people within those immigrants will have the same bad experiences. Also there are more people on the planet then ever before. Overpopulation slows down and inflation of real estate (housing costs) getting more reasonable and affordable if we are lucky?

    About the economy, they will figure out to react to the changes. (Just an example: No one 20 years ago expected what today looks like. Internet was not common (at least where I live) and business happened on paper. One had to wait years to get a land-line phone, and there were zero mobile phones at least in the city. We had s~~~ty computers and no web shops, if the local shops only had bad quality parts on stock, then you were out of luck. Internet turned all upside-down and shake it up, now it is a lot better. Red pill may do the same over the long run, turn economy upside down because red pilled men spend on different things than families or women, and let’s hope some extreme feminist laws will be deleted.)

    The problems answered by the red pill do not depend on race, religion, country of origin, or whatever else. (The western men have it worse due to third wave feminist laws and incarceration when one does not pay child support, and that kind of stuff. But the law makers at other parts of the world go to the same direction.) And concept of “romantic love” being a lie (and an addictive drug) is independent of those parameters, it is a general fact. The same for the benefits of the MGTOW lifestyle: it is a fact that if one does not have to pay and give time for a family (that will annoy him and wife not give the love he hoped for) then he will have more resources. fact. I saw some MGTOW stuff about India, and that is a totally different part of the world in many aspects, but still red pill has some believers there too.


    Anonymous

    Another factor, experts say, is that men are actually more sensitive than women, and struggle to deal with romantic knock-backs.

    No, she has orbiter swarms chaffing at the bit to serve as wallet, or dick stand. Whatever a cupcake desires can be provided by her orbiters.

    A man faces romantic knock-backs alone on his own(Until now). Chads are the only exception.

    I won’t call a woman who can’t cook, has had too many c~~~s to mention in polite company, and is covered in prison grade tats a good woman.

    I actually agree with this, especially for good and inexperienced men.

    Men are far more emotional and fall deeper into love and are far more loyal. Women do not have emotions, they don’t have loyalty, they don’t give two s~~~s about a male even when inexperienced, even when young. It is just natural for them, they are parasites, predators. There is no kindness or compassion in them, no higher thought. They only use, and justify it if needed, but they don’t actually feel. This is also why it’s so easy for them to manipulate, they fake emotion to manipulate because they don’t have actual emotion. If they had actual emotion or could actually care, it would be far harder for them to behave as they do. A man would never want to cut his daughter’s clit off, but mothers are eager to mutilate their son’s genitalia. A father watches out for a daughter and doesn’t want her to be uncomfortable or to marry a bad man. A mother is quick to urge her son to marry a bad woman, and then side with her over him.

    It is men that do back breaking labor for women. It is men that leave their homes to fight in muddy, cold ditches on foreign shores to protect women. It is men that go without, that suffer, all for the sake of women.

    And it is women that don’t have the slightest shred of gratitude, who don’t have the slightest sympathy, who can not bring themselves to even pretend they care when they know society won’t punish them for it.

    It is men that pine over a lost woman. It is men that commit suicide after a breakup. It is men that have substance abuse problems and depression. It is men that still labor and turn over resources for their children—women simply refuse to pay child support and laugh about it in the rare times they are even on the hook. It is men that even when a woman destroys him in divorce, can’t bring himself to blame her and think her evil, instead choosing to blame lawyers or judges.

    Only when men have enough experience do they finally begin to turn cold. And that experience does not happen when young and over just a partner or two. A man will still believe in NAWALT even after that. It requires many opportunities and a near constant stream of open, consistent, awful female behavior reinforcing male disposability and the abject hatred women as a whole have for men, before men even begin to change and understand.

    That is also why when a man is fully MGTOW, it is completely over for women. There isn’t a thing women can do to get him back onto the plantation, because the mindset has completely shifted. Knowledge has changed him. He understands what women are and how futile it is to expect anything from them, and thus he no longer allows himself that position of weakness, that blue pill simpness.

    But prior to reaching that level? There is no question in my mind that blue pill men are far more emotional than women, and are far more affected by how women perceive and respond to him romantically, and take any rejection or withdrawal of female interest extremely personally/to heart. When a woman is screwing with a blue pill man’s emotions, she is outright killing him, and she knows it, and she takes great pleasure in it. Because that is just what women are. That is also why post-wall women complain and project so much, they know full well what they did and the joy they took in it, and are scared that men will return that on them. But whether fortunate or not for women, it turns out men want nothing to do with them instead, which seems to be an even more frightening prospect for women than if these men returned the abuse.

    #580862
    OldBill
    OldBill
    Participant

    The gross conceptual error at work for many of you here is that anecdotes, personal memoirs, and excuses after the fact do not mean s~~~ when it comes to explaining why the war was foguth.

    Why? Because individual men do not declare war.

    The flawed example Pete and the others routinely use of the opinions of a poor farmer from Arkansas, Georgia, or somewhere serving in the Confederate armies means absolutely nothing because that man individually did write the secession ordnance, vote for secession, raise regiments, appoint officers, secure loans, buy arms, and all the rest.

    That individual man can explain why he personally fought but that explanation does not explain why there was a war.

    The small number of men collectively in control of the various state governments chose secession and war, not the farmers and clerks always bleated about by the apologists. The small number of men collectively in control of the various state government were very specific about the reasons they chose secession and war. They stated those reasons plainly in legislation, broadsheets, speeches, and editorials. They stated plainly and repeatedly that their decisions were made in order to defend slavery.

    What they claimed after losing the war changed, but at the time they chose secession and war their claims were self evident.

    You either take those men at their word or you brand them liars and their statements false. The choice is yours.

    I didn’t decide that the US should go to war in Iraq and Afghanistan, but I sure as hell fought in both places. That’s the issue many of you cannot seemingly grasp. While individual men may decide to fight and may have many reasons for doing, only governments decide whether a war occurs or not.

    The men controlling the state governments which would become the CSA chose to go to war and their reasons for doing so are starkly plain. You can either take them at their word or you can keep repeating a comforting lie out of some childishly misplaced sympathy.

    Finally, regarding Marx’s letter to Lincoln. While Lincoln received hundreds of thousand of letters from people worldwide, it doesn’t necessarily follow that Lincoln read every letter or agreed with it’s contents. The King of Siam (Thailand) wrote Lincoln regularly. Following Heavicidal’s “logic” that then means Lincoln was a Buddhist.

    Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.

    #579014
    HRearden
    HRearden
    Participant

    Hello everyone – I recently swallowed the red pill, and am starting to understand this unbelievable power. I also really appreciate all of the shared wisdom that’s being expressed on here and in this community. I have a father who has been a part of my life for the last 27 years (he’s married to my mom, and I do appreciate everything they have done for me). However, I am faced with a predicament.

    This past January (before I broke it off with my girlfriend of 2 years this past month), we purchased tickets to Thailand together. We are going to be on the flight there and coming back only (I haven’t finalized my itinerary for the entire trip there). This past month/year has been a challenging one with growing my business and I still want to go on the trip – its really the only reward I created for myself. My main concern though is temptation.

    I haven’t seen her in a few weeks and I was very attracted to her. I am vowing to not have sex with another woman until I get my business going and have achieved everything I want. I did want to hear some other people’s thoughts on my situation and would be grateful to hear any wisdom from those who may have been in similar situations.

    Thank you again gentlemen – your advice is much appreciated.

    Sky-☯️
    Sky-☯️
    Participant

    Sharing custody and/or only being able to see your kids every other weekend.

    Because I couldn’t do it. No kids over here thanks to the vasectomy I got back when I was a blue piller, smashing & thrashing holes.

    But hypothetically, if I was on the verge of losing custody of my dog due to a slut:

    I wouldn’t let him go. The stand off outside Sky HQ would make Waco (Texas) and Ruby Ridge (Idaho) look like a misunderstanding at a playground.

    I would go tactical. LOL And there wouldn’t be a parenting plan or a schedule on when I get to see him.

    I would have the windows boarded up. Strategic points of defense with a final fall back position inside. And they would finally get through only to find my dog with a shot to the Head and me laying next to him in what would be a final Samurai last stand as tear gas filled the place.

    But they would have never taken him back to the c~~~ or got me alive.

    And I would have expected a full siege by the FBI, ATF, etc. Even special forces outside.

    Because some things are worth fighting for.

    Mad props and a shout out to all of the guys that have had their God given rights to be father’s taken away. You are stronger than me in that sense.

    And to those of you with son’s that you think are being brainwashed by mommy:

    My dad left when I was a year old and I never knew him.

    But at about the age of 12, I sat quietly one day when my mother was in the midst of a massive BPD, bipolar meltdown. And I knew. I knew at that point why he left. And I harbored no bad feelings towards him: A man I never even knew.

    DEO VINDICE

    #576368
    Mark
    mark
    Participant

    My man,

    Less feelings, more action. This is the advice I would give my best friend:

    Dealing with women is like playing poker. You don´t show your cards until the end. In fact, your whole strategy relies in lies and deception.

    As long as she knows you love your kid, she is going to use that love against you. Now, what would you think it would happen if you didn´t like him at all? I bet my life she will pay for first class plane tickets for you to have him for a year.

    No matter how much she may love your kid, she hates you more. The hatred for you will ALWAYS take precedence over the love for the kid. Use that against her.

    I know this is hard to believe, but it has a biological background. Female species will kill their offspring, or allow their new mates to do it, because they need protection and believe they can mate and sire more offspring with the new mate.

    So here is a good game plan:

    1. She needs to believe that you have a new woman (whether that is true or not) and that you suddenly lost your interest in your son. MAKE SURE SHE CANNOT PROVE IT, THOUGH, so no emails or photos or anything. You can show her on Skype, because most likely she will not see the deception and won´t try to collect proof.

    I tell you a trick done by a friend of mine. I guess you have visitation, so try to cancel it. Tell her that your new partner would not like to have the kid around, and that since she loves the kid so much maybe it is better to “let him go”.

    I know it sounds like suicide, is a huge leap of faith, but it works. It worked with my friend like a charm. When his ex heard that the guy rebuilt his life, she went herself to his house to drop the kid. She only found out that they guy didn´t even have a girlfriend on the court date. And by then (according to my friend) the court almost held her in contempt for insisting to the court about an “nonexistent” girlfriend.

    2. At the same time lawyer up, and get your son back. Exactly as you are doing right now.

    Finally, and this applies in any situation:
    Never ever let her know what you feel, what your next move is going to be, what you are going to do. NEVER. No threats, no warnings, no “next time I will…”.

    Stay strong brother.


    Anonymous

    How is, was, or will be your life’s natural turning point the 30 year old man?

    For starters, my father told me to watch my Jewish friend and business partner when he turns 30, he said he had a Jewish friend that when he hit 30 it was like a light went off in his head and within a year he was into bottling packaging, and marketing goods, as kids we were putting together vinyl repair kits in one of his schemes.

    30:EPISODE I.

    Back to my friend that turned 30. He took off and abandoned all his friends for a life in the sticks with his newlywed, he dissolved most his life long friendships, our business, and took allot of people for a ride over a proverbial cliff by dissolving all his commitments, taking the money and running, everyone that knew him got burned for what he could burn them, including myself on an expensive piece of equipment he held the receipt on and threatened police action if I tried to seize it for collateral while he was burning everyone else. The kinda s~~~ people catch a beating for, and he got away unscathed but karma was sure to follow!

    Last I heard about him his wife became a cougar and started club hopping and f~~~ing like a teenager after 20 years of marriage, he got the kids, the house, and from what I gather just about everything, I’m guessing she really s~~~-the-bed and became all f~~~ed up. He has some gold held in customs in some foreign ass backwards country and he can’t afford the tariff or tax to export it, so he’s turned to some of his old friends that politely told him to go f~~~ himself! I wouldn’t give the SOB a single cent! (not that he asked)

    30: EPISODE II.

    Time to grow up. I started saving for a house at 30, by 33 I purchased a dilapidated wreck @auction and went through it without taking out a mortgage, by 36 it was livable and occupied but nowhere near finished, I had painted plywood floors and nailed down hardwood one room, one hall, and one section at a time, including tile and woodwork, the wood (oak) was purchased at an exotic wood supplier for less than the cost of pine, but had to be edged straightened, planed, sanded, shaped, and finished, lotta work!

    30: EPISODE III.

    I was incarcerated by my GF calling the cops knowing I would be screwed for operating without a license.

    Away I went, off to jail, four months wasted and all my stuff plundered and stolen from my apartment, I got the apartment just after moving out of a motorhome parked in a mill complex. That was a souring event that disenchanted me about women, one other women after her that was married then I was ALL F~~~ING DONE! Age 35, F~~~ OFF AND DIE! That was the final shot! Head ball, off 3 banks and in the side pocket! My brains were f~~~ing scrambled!
    Within a year I was in flight school flying a plane, and skiing 50 to 75 days a season! Instead of working on the house during the impossible winter I got ski houses with friends and went skiing EVERY WINTER! That’s why it took over 5 years to move into the resurrected house!

    30 years old we break free or go under.

    EPISODE IV.

    30 years old I decided to become a teenager again just like them, but in a much different way, I was the one that became free and they’re the ones that became ensnared by loneliness and emptiness that will follow them to the grave, only because to a 30 year old MGTOW Peter Pan, women are already dead and buried!

    I do know one thing for sure, at 30 a good man’s life becomes SWEET and for modern women life becomes ROTTEN.

    Women are in their beauty and glory for only 10 to 15 years, after that it’s all downhill CLIFF!

    What’s your 30 year old story or aspirations?

    Where do you hope to be at this life’s natural turning point?

    What’s your 30 year old story? MGTOW only please, all other stories SUCK! (just kidding)

    Ranger One
    Ranger One
    Participant

    Uncontested divorce hearing in 9 days. Hopefully that will be an uneventful day marked only by everything going as written and planned in separation agreement (and in ex’s response to divorce petition paperwork).

    August 30 would thus be delineated as the start of the “Golden Age” of Ranger One.

    All my life I've had doubts about who I am, where I belonged. Now I'm like the arrow that springs from the bow. No hesitation, no doubts. The path is clear. And what are you? Alive. Everything else is negotiable. Women have rights; men have responsibilities; MGTOW have freedom. Marriage is for chumps. If someone stands in the way of true justice, you simply walk up behind them and stab them in the heart-R'as al Ghul.

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