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[VileNordParticipant]

Well, if I was trying to drive her away for good, I can be vile you know……

“NO thanks………NOOO thank you very much! I have created for MYSELF, a life that the Kings of yesteryear yearned for. I am successful according to my own standards and I won’t tolerate some hag hanging off my ivory cuff links, incessantly nagging on about trivial bulls~~~. After all these years, you think you can ride into town with your biological clock ticking and woo me? Ride my coat tails into the sunset? And don’t even start with the “I’m not like that” s~~~, YES YOU ARE. It’s in the nature of your sex, you cannot deny it. Chivalry is a bad joke. Romance is a sucker’s bet. Marriage is for the gays. And before you convict me of misogyny, know that I LOVE women; they’re the perfect animal to cum upon. I’m DTF anytime you wanna stop by. Cheers.”

Lust for comfort suffocates the soul

[Zoby TwoParticipant]

I totally agree KeyMaster

Juste my 2 cents : I just ate few mn ago with 4 collegues (2 men and 2 females)

one of the female told me she won’t see again a man who doesn’t pay the restaurant for the first date. She wants equality but says that chivalry is very important.

“BE A MAN” she said … “I WON’T DATE YOU” she said … “WOMEN EARN LESS THAN MEN” she said … and last but not least “YOU HAVE TO PAY BECAUSE WE HAVE MORE THINGS TO BUY THAN MEN : CLOTHES, HAIRDRESSER, bla bla bla” … The final argument I can’t hear ….

I tried to give her some good arguments but I gave up after 20 seconds. F~~~ her.

 

ps : Keymaster :  I’m still around 🙂 even if I don’t post, I like to read all your comments guys. You are inspiring me … really. I’m sick of all these sluts.

[Zoby TwoParticipant]

Men and women aren’t equal … because these sluts don’t want equality

They want us to be their slave :

http://elitedaily.com/dating/chivalry-dead-9-everyday-gestures-make-girls-melt/863633/

 

I think most of men would agree if a woman would be paid like a man or if a woman would have the same job than a man etc … The problem is that women want more. like we say in France : “elles veulent le beurre et l’argent du beurre”. They want the benefits and not the disadvantages

At the office, women (and white knights (99% of men in my company)) think I’m a boor … “That boor didn’t hold the door for me!” … bla bla bla …

F~~~ them

 

 

 

[Soul ManParticipant]

Thanks once again for the welcomes!  I haven’t seen so many possibilities for the future in a long time!  While I still like females plenty, I tend to look at them more like an enemy to be conquered now.  The booty is the booty to be had as a spoil of the war.  Broads only want to be treated equally when it’s convenient and furthers their narcissistic agenda.  Any other time they are completey f~~~ing helpless and as men we are supposed to fall on our swords for them.  F~~~ that!  Choose equality or choose chivalry!  You can’t have both!  I refuse to offer up gratuitous compliments or otherwise kiss their collective asses.  The sad truth is if you treat them like a DNA dumpster then most of them grovel at your feet!  I haven’t met a women yet in this life that would know a good or real man if she tripped over him!  So if the ladies want a “challenge” then a challenge they will get!  BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

HISTORY...learn from it, memorize it, DON'T repeat it...

[peterfaParticipant]

Feminism is already in charge. Feminists have a very powerful lobby, and women have always had very strong influence. Take the Bible for example. There are countless examples one after another where a woman swayed a man:

1. Adam betrayed God because of Eve’s suggestion, “Hey, Adam, you know what I find sexy?”
2. Lot is seduced by his two daughters after Lot’s wife and an entire city-state is smashed. OK, not really an influence, but that would make that hang-over, morning after thing quite the drag.
3. Samson gives up his secret to his supernatural strength to a woman.
4. Epic Mangina: Ahab marries Jezebel, the psycho-manipulative bitch from hell. It’s so bad that she’s used again as a symbol in the New Testament (The Great Whore) — or at least that might be what that means.
5. Why didn’t Pilate want to crucify Jesus when it was just so easy? Well, his wife didn’t like the idea. She wanted him to go free. Pilate is a brute, a jerk, and an idiot. His wife was a prominent woman who came from a powerful family. Her sway was way more than woman, however.
6. King David f~~~s over his entire nation over his best friend’s wife. After damage control proves that his friend is a bigger man than he is, David plots the death of his best friend. Jerkass taken to a whole new level. Well, this isn’t her fault. David does show a lot of total asshatery concerning women, both in how he treats them (his own daughter is raped, he doesn’t absolutely nothing), and how he screws everybody else over. This at least demonstrates how powerful sway women have over men.
7. Solomon marries women from other countries despite the law of his land to not do this. This brings adulterated practices into that nation.
8. Esther, The Hot Jew, marries the king of her land. She uses her sway to protect the Jews, and utterly crush every last conspirator who attempted to kill the Jews. They died in the very gallows they built. This is one of the few positive female influences in this manner.

Women have also made major changes in history. Men do listen when women talk. They will change law for women. Always have. Absolutely nothing that the feminists say is true. Since French Feudalism, feminism became a real thing. Chivalry became a thing. That became a religion, which gave for us a law system that poisoned our judgement and righteousness.

So, it doesn’t matter who wins. Feminism is still in control.

What we really need is a truly equitable system. A lot of MRA’s and even MGTOWs talk about equality, but we need equity instead. Our previous gender-roles made sense because that division of labor worked. However, now we have a service oriented economy with industrialization, energy, and technology. It’s quite realistic to expect women to take jobs at their capacities and to keep their pay. We need to re-engineer marriage, gender-roles, and so much of our society. Yet, how is this change to occur? If we have the right president to do this, imagine the chaos created just to enact the laws and enforce them so that change occurs to our society. It would throw our nation into utter turmoil. Though we should and would make us stronger, we can’t get such a president in. People won’t tolerate it.

Lately when I’ve been walking to the gym I’ve pondered on exactly why I have chosen to go in the MGTOW direction and what to write in this introduction. There are too many reasons to list but I believe almost everyone stem from some sort of conflict. Most of my life i have based my value on female approval. The value of me as a man have been valued from my ability to attract and please women. In hindsight it is a pretty terrible way to live life and makes one extremly dependent on women, and even worse, makes you feel horrible when not being able to attract women or if they disprove of something you do. The second part of this is the mixed signals given to men on how to be valuable in womens eyes. It’s the contradictions like being a manly man and a sensitive man – where every situation should be fine tuned to perfectly fit. The insanity trying o make sense of this will leave most men immobilized and most blind to the reality that they can choose to set their value as a man on something else then being able to attract women.

Another part is the cynical way men are used by women. They fulfill different roles. Every man would like to be the person that women fall in love with and have sex with. But men are put into different categories depending on their function. A few will be the supporters and friends who help out (beta orbiters as some call them) while others are the alpha males who gets to have sex with them. Neither role is any good since both are being used (I’ve been both) and both roles assume females needs are most important.

The biggest part is how society is set up at the moment. All my life I have felt like there is a part of me I never get to express. The deep masculine side of me that is shunned in society but yet is yearning to be expressed. I thought there were something wrong with me, but I realize a lot of men have had to repress their masculine side to fit into the matriarchal society and not offending women. I have been thinking quite a bit about this and manly values are just not appreciated. There is always a consensus culture where everyone have to agree about everything. No one is allowed to be hurt, everyone should be safe from harm, people are not responsible for anything and no one should offend no other. Criticism is cold and something bad. As a man all of this turns my stomach. I want sincerity, I want people to disagree and speak their mind and I don’t feel like safety is the most important quality. The worst part is that men are not even allowed to define what masculinity is – feminists got that right.

MGTOW for me is taking back the right to define manhood and my own identity. It is the right to my own life and to be the most important person in said life. It is the right to self respect and self worth that comes from within. It is the right to acknowledge my thoughts, feelings, needs and beliefs without being shunned by society, other men or women. It is the right to ignore societys anachronical demands on me as a man and reject chivalry.

MGTOW for me is true equality. I don’t hate or despise women, I hate that society is built in a way that women can act in a way that they can minimize the drawbacks of their biological drives and maximize the benefit, while it’s the opposite for men. People say that men like me are afraid of strong women, but it’s quite the opposite, I would love a society with strong women, because todays society is filled with women who have doubts, low self confidence and low self worth. This leads to the perverted displays of power in attempts of overcompensation. Strong women don’t treat men like 2nd class citizens, strong women don’t treat men with contempt and lack of respect, strong women don’t shun or try to erradicate masculinity – they try to nourish it.

In the current socity though, I will pursue a life that makes me happy. Secure a future career and leave my home country. I look forward to taking part of this forum.

Sincerly

– Mjolnir

Just thought i’d introduce myself and tell a lil about my story.  I’ve never told anyone this before

I’m young, in my 20s, about to graduate with a good degree in finance from a  decent school.  Being in college has shown me the true nature of my generations females.  In school I have met some of the most superficial, vapid, entitled women I have ever seen, and i’m done.

In highschool i always tried to be the nice guy, never said anything mean to girls, chivalry and all that s~~~.  WHen i was a junior I met “C”.  C was pretty, seemed nice.  Little did I know what i was getting myself into.  We started “dating” tho she never called it that, to her we were “hanging out” and we were friends.  The night she told me she didnt wanna be gf and bf, at the end of the night she pushed me up against my car and starting making out with me and groping my dick.  From then on, we would hook up, but only when she wanted too.  I always paid for our dates, of course and she never offered.  One time, she literally stuck her hand down my pants, and pulled my dick out.  After about a minute or two she decided she didnt want to do anything.  So there I am, sitting in a  car, dick out, blued balled, and when I asked her at least to finish what she started, I get called a sexist and a womanizer.  i’ll let you guys decide if that was sexual or abuse or whatever.

C was truly, really crazy.  She would call me at night crying, thats it, wouldnt say anything when i answered the phone.  claims she would “accidentaly call me”.  Once she TEXTED me while i was at my best friends house and told me she was sitting on the dock at some family members lake house (middle of winter) and that she was going to just jump in and kill herself.  When i frantically tried calling her, and had a breakdown in front of my best friend, she didnt pick up.  FInally she called me back and I had to “talk her down”.  To this day i dont know if she was testing me or was serious.

Another time she called me at about 12:30 on a school night and told me she was going to move away to another state…..unless I convinced her not to……over the phone.  that same night I got a call from a guy who was in our class that she was “friends” with.  He called nearly in tears asking what I said to her that would make her move away.  I believe she told us both the same thing to see what we would do and who would be more upset and do more to “keep” her.  Finally i got fed up with all the bulls~~~, and I asked her if she was seeing other guys.  I knew she probably had been, but she confirmed it.  I cut our date short that night and haven’t spoken to her since.

My next high school gf, E, was a class A gold digger.  Sure she would let me f~~~ her…after a nice long date with dessert and appetizers and a movie.  She would constantly ask me to buy her things, and make up a reason.  “its for our 2 month anniversary, why wont you buy me a $200 pandora bracelet”.  Meanwhile she made almost 40% more than me.  For valentines day I took her out on a nice date and gave her a $75 necklace.  She gave me an empty glass coca cola bottle filled with red and pink beads with a bow on it.  I let E know as I was getting ready to graduate, i would be moving away to school after the summer and we would probably break up when I left.  I guess she thought she could change my plans, but when the time came, I told her we’re breaking up, I get called an asshole, once again I’m called a womanizer (years later, she told me I treated her better than any guy before or since).  ABout 3 weeks after that, i get a call from E.  “I missed my period” thats not possible, we used plan b (even when it probably wasnt necessary cuz hey, she wasnt paying, I was) go get a pregnancy test “I cant for 3 days because my friend has to drive me”.  Worst 3 days of my life, i was in constant debilitating stomach clenching fear.  Of course, i heard back from her eventually, but only after she made me promise that I would stay with her if she was pregnant.  Turns out she wasnt pregnant, thank god, and i think she faked the whole thing.

Since then i’ve kept my distance.  Ive had a few girlfriends, nothing serious, and I realized I hated every one of them at some point during the relationship.  I’ve seen friends ripped apart by girls who they gave everything too.  My freshman year roomate (it was a large suite-style room) had his dead beat girlfriend living with us in the dorm.  SHe would sit around all day and play WoW and smoke ciggarrettes.  She eventually moved back into his parents house with him, until they finally broke up when my friend woke up and realized how much she was dragging him down. Another friend of mine had a daughter with a girl.  Shortly after she was born, he found out she had been cheating the whole time.  Luckily he got custody, but he still pays her alimony (although she probably makes more as a RN) out of his small income as a mechanic, while supporting the kid.

My uncle got divorced recently, he made about 100k a year and his wife made around 120k.  Now he lost the house, has limited rights to the kids, and HE pays HER $62,000 a year PLUS child support.  Oh and he sold his business for $3.4M, and she got $1.7M of that straight up.  Recently a kid at my old high school was accused of rape.  It a private school and he got kicked out.  Turns out she was lying and got caught admitting it.  She still goes there, he got out of juvi a little early.

Now, i dont even worry about it.   Why should i waste time and money trying to court some vapid, entitled, liberal arts major just to have my b~~~~ ripped off in a divorce when she decides she can do better.  Why should i even try and have a one night stand when the girl can decide she regrets it the next day, cry rape, and my career, life, reputation, everything is ruined forever, even if shes proven wrong.  Maybe i’ll just have every chick sign a disclaimer release form and get written confirmed consent before I even touch her.  Why should i try to be an upstanding citizen, treat women and children nicely and protect them when the media portrays me as a violent, uncontrollable, animal who’s about to go rape women and diddle kids all day long.  Either that or a fat, dumb, out of touch, subservient “TV dad” like you see in every show on television.  F~~~ it all, I say.

 

Thanks for reading guys, sorry its so long.  I know probably no one really cares about my story, but it felt good to write it.

[JimboParticipant]

@ncook

Look man, I still date too but I don’t consider MGTOW as merely “men frustrated with dating”.  There is a real problem here.  The family courts are messed up.  Men are being forced to dole out massive amounts of alimony and child support.  Feminism encourages women to engage in very destructive and negative behavior.  Traditional society won’t rein in the out of control women but seek to punish the men once that out of control woman makes a false claim of DV or Rape against a man.  All men are told after that is that they “didn’t find the right one” or “just need to improve our attitude”.

This does not include the inequities such as selective service, the disproportion level of funding that goes to women issues exclusively, and the advantage of the benefit of the doubt when ever a woman makes a workplace complaint vs when a man does it.
That little bit of my perspective on the issue is not a mere “frustration”.  Men’s lives are being ruined for merely sleeping with the wrong woman or for marrying the wrong woman.  I see the degeneration of modern society and notice a real danger in getting involved with women.  I think men need to understand that there are dangers they face in dating and marriage.  Real dangers such as having to pay a degenerate slut alimony for the rest of your life.  I am talking about having to defend yourself in court from false rape allegations because the woman pressing the charges decided the next morning that she did not really want to have sex.  I am tired of seeing churches encouraging young men marrying the “born again” single mothers who have kids with many different “babies’ daddies” and then telling the man that it just wasn’t God’s will after that man is getting raked over the coals in family court which is considering making him pay child support for the children that were never his.

I am tired of the lie that “women are sacrificing their careers for their husbands”.  Hell, I tried to talk my now ex-wife into getting a job while we were dating and married.  How on earth was that making me “forcing her to sacrifice her career”?

I am tired of the lie that men who do not want to get married in this world are “Peter Pans”.  We don’t have such sayings for married women who don’t take on any responsibilities in the family and that want  to party every Saturday night with her girlfriends at the bar.  I know we used to call them “trashy” a few decades ago but now we call it “liberated”.

The lists of grievances is long and serious.

I don’t discourage ANY man hear from meeting, dating, and liking good women.  I do however, want all men to understand that there are very real consequences and that the days of self sacrifice and chivalry need to end.  That men themselves need to recognize and defend their interests.  I encourage good men to withdraw from relationships when they become toxic to the man.  Which you can do if you are simply dating but if you are married and/or have children the situation becomes gravely different.  I understand that society as a whole has got a long way to go in reforming its attitude about how men are treated.

 

Have I said anything unreasonable?

Have I said anything far-fetched?

Have I said anything that you still think fits more of the “frustration” frame than the legitimate issue frame?

 

Please do tell me ncook, I am more than willing to have this conversation with you.

 

[KeymasterKeymaster]

it seems like some people here are just single because they’re bitter and want to hate on women.

“SEEMS LIKE”? Who f~~~ing cares what it “SEEMS LIKE”?

That won’t work. You will not get away with that bulls~~~ here. And here’s why.

/shaming-tactics/

You just spit out the number one bulls~~~ predictable shaming tactic women use, and it’s a f~~~ing failure right out of the gate. Pulled apart and deconstructed – the entire lot of them. And you picked Number ONE. “you’re bitter”. Pre rehearsed and pre calculated as regular and predictable as their periods. (Are you sure you’re not bleeding right now?)

It’s the first post on our website for a REASON.

There is a big difference between hating women and hating what women actually DO.
The passive acceptance of evil is not a virtue.

So cut the s~~~. You’re a f~~~ing failure at it. And this is your last warning.

/shaming-tactics/

/forums/topic/chivalry-and-mgtow/

You will read them and you will understand the difference between “hating women” and hating what women actually DO – or you are OUT. You can take that s~~~ elsewhere and go fist yourself with it. Right to elbow.

That’s what happens when you have “so many female friends”.
Their s~~~ seeps into your skull and it makes you stupid.

If you walk into a MADD meeting (mothers against drunk drivers) and see a woman who is p~~~ed because she lost her child in an accident. Do you f~~~ing open your mouth and say “You’re just bitter. It SEEMS LIKE You just want to blame and hate all drivers.”

Are you getting it yet?

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

No. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. We’ve got healthy amount of friction and disagreements here. Just the other day a married guy stepped in started lecturing on “chivalry”. He got an earful of the opposite as can be expected:

/forums/topic/chivalry-and-mgtow/

It’s been acknowledged we have NO intention of maintaining an echo chamber. Search the forum for the term “echo chamber”

/forums/search/echo+chamber/

However I am OBLIGATED – it’s my role – to remind everyone ….
Like the internet itself, this is a place created by MEN – FOR MEN – in the best interests of MEN.

We are in the business of saving lives. Quite literally.

This is not called “circle jerking”. It is a place created by MEN – FOR MEN – in the best interests of MEN, in a world where the female opinion is otherwise the ONLY opinion. And we are tired of it. A pro-male agenda is not inherently anti-female. And it sure as hell isn’t “gay”.

You will see many agreements and thumbs up for one another MOSTLY because the marketplace of ideas is typically saturated with men being told they are WRONG. The media tells men we are stupid. We are s~~~. We are deadbeat dads. Creeps. Pigs. We are losers who can’t get laid (what a joke) and when a man hears this often enough he will start to believe it. Put a pro-male opinion in Yahoo discussion and watch it mysteriously be deleted along with your account. We have seen this happen to 50 accounts and countless posts.

You will find 13876765417654 posts of men arriving here and saying “OMG! YES!! I thought I was the only one!”. It’s the number one observation. The number two observation is the number of men who say “jesus christ! I never thought about it that way before. I agree!”. Again, this is not “circle jerking”.

A man just needs to come here and drop his story. And it will ping the consciousness of a lurker and awaken a sleeping giant who has been shielded from truths and realities the women in his life would rather he didn’t know. That’s why we have such female testimony for you to listen to of a woman – herself – saying “I’m really glad the men I know don’t listen to this”.

/audio/3-million-dollar-bitch/

Well bitches, I’m really glad to provide a platform for men where men CAN listen to it.
And if we all “agree” that is valuable information, then so be it.

Stroking each others dicks is not on the menu. Enjoy. Live long and prosper.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Eric LauderParticipant]

I have no intention to offend you, but I think you’re not totally honest: do you really want avoid contact with females? In fact, it’s very easy: you have just only to not start conversation with them. Usually a female do not start by herself a conversation with a MAN – see? Very easy!!!

And the very few times a female ask you something (they ask for help/informations, no more) I suggest you to: speak to her like you speak to a child, few and very clear words, do not help her NEVER, basically you have to say to her “go away” but in a very gentle manner. You have to speak to a female just only about your work if you have female co-workers or bosses, and no more. I noticed that females phone-advertisers are more prone to trick and pander me: when I hear them on the phone I put down the call immediatly, with a MAN instead I say: “thank you, I’m not interested and I’ve no time now” in a more or less gentle manner. I’m aware that there isn’t a great difference between these two behaviors for the phone-advertisers, but there’s a difference FOR ME 🙂 I feel myself empowered every time I treat a female with a little and mocking rudeness, because I’m aware they think they are entitled to chivalry and special treatment from MEN, and also that some females thinks MEN are inferior beings. Sorry, great goddess, this “inferior” being is just treating you like the childish whiner you are. 🙂

[KeymasterKeymaster]

I must have skipped this phase of MGTOW and I heartily agree with Jambear.

Listen to Vader on this one.

I’ve done that. Pretend-gagging when a woman says something lame or stupid. Like if she uses the word “soulmate”, “relationship”, “commitment”, “marriage”, “a real man”, or “chivalry” in a sentence. I go for the Academy Award. A gut-wrenching sound while dialing it up to the driest heave I can possibly muster. Trying to regain my composure (and all in good fun to humor myself), I make it as believable and disgusting as possible. Like I am about cough bile. I keep this up until she says:

“OMG are you OKAY??????”

Then I hold up my index finger to indicate I just need a few more seconds.

“Much better now. Just shut the f~~~ up and I’ll be fine”. Then I totally straighten up and snap out of it, dust myself off, excuse myself and leave. You know that scene in when Harry Met Sally when she fakes an orgasm in public? Just like that, fake a woman making you violently ill.

Women need to be put in their place and know just how utterly revolting and disgusting their bulls~~~ is. But it’s not enough to just tap them on the shoulder. You have to hit them over the head with a sledgehammer. (Figuratively of course). If you tell them just how f~~~ing stupid and sickening they are, you look like a “misogynist”, or a “whining bitch:” and they will call you that. But when they make enough men physically ill, they are forced to accept its they who are repugnant.

I was hit on by a gross fat bitch not long ago and she was obvious about it. I doubled over and put on a great show. Then broke out of it and just walked away. This festers and lingers in their minds with no need to say a word. You can crack yourself up pretty easily, but stay in character.

Hope to see you all on the red carpet accepting your awards for best acting like you’re Vomiting.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[GmanParticipant]

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<b><span style=”font-size: large;”>The Nobleman </span></b>

 

 

 

His master is chivalry

 

Or so he thinks it to be

 

Yet the eyes of those who see

 

Revile the true despot to be

 

Her infantile tyranny

 

 

He accepted her decree

 

Handed her his destiny

 

Relinquished his ability

 

To hold his autonomy

 

Bartered for a fantasy

 

 

Could he renounce this deity

 

Born on the wings of piety

 

Only truth can set him free

 

To endure anxiety

 

Every choice demands a fee

 

[jambearParticipant]

If you look at the feminist movement through out its history you will see that it was never honest. Its goal from day one was to take the power from men and degrade us to the point were we are nothing but slaves to them.

As for chivalry, I know the feeling of seeing a woman  in trouble and wanting to help. It put me in a compromised position and luckily nothing happened to me, but next time I may not be so lucky.

I was raised to be gentlemanly, and chivalrous

I read that as I was raised to be a slave.

Loyalty: The first and only loyalty that matters is to yourself. I know that sounds like a selfish stance and it is. This does not mean screw everyone over but make sure that when all is said and done YOU are OK and not in the street and broken.

Courtesy: The way you phrase it is special treatment. Shakespeare said “Brevity is the soul of wit”. Say what you mean and those intelligent enough will appreciate it and those that do not will hate you. “Prettying” it up with extra words is meaningless.

Generosity: Never to the point where you suffer though. I will admit that giving feels good but remember that woman know this too and will take advantage of it in the most cruel ways possible.

Respect: Good reasoning on respect. Only you you do not “owe” anyone your time just because your married to them. Also ,never respect anyone who does not return it.

Valor: Sorry but this I see as a just another way woman manipulate men. Sorry dear not enough room in the life boat for you, now go off and die valorously. Sorry dear that country is invading I am worth more then you though, now go off and die valorously.

Honor: I will have to disagree here too. Your Honor is your own and no one can take it from you as long as you hold fast to your own morals.

These things are not gender specific. And they do not promote a single gender above another. That is why I believe that chivalry and MGTOW can survive side by side.

They are either male constructs or masquerading as one. Those that are man made, I would never expect a woman to understand them and the other is important to recognize for what it is.

 

[SwordParticipant]

of course i did its a forum, all we do is read. I’m leaving my take on chivalry and nothing more.

[SwordParticipant]

I see chivalry as treating women with more respect than we treat ourselves simply because they are women.

I see it as sucking up to the boss before “he” has even given you an interview.

i see an entitled girl who expects special treatment from men

I see it as an act of submission, a token of respect and a way of saying “you are my superior”

But more vividly I see a man with great power….someone who is admired and respected. When this man opens doors for you and offers you a seat at his table….you feel F~~~ing honoured.

There is no place for chivalry in a world where men have been devalued to the point of disposable.

[Deus Ex MachinaParticipant]

As a MGTOW, I still enjoy women, and when i say that i mean, when i watch a movie, or see an old friend, or hang out with a girl that’s pretty chill. But putting them on a pedestal, or glorifying their every action?, sorry not my forte anymore.  I don’t hate them at all. There are still good women out there, that will make some dude happy, more power to them. As for me,  i just wanna do what I wanna do, when I want to. I’m tired of living my life in the social eye (female eye) and asked: “why won’t you get married?”, “what happened to that girl you were seeing?”  “ewww you’re one of those MGTOW’s?”, that s~~~ can go flush it self.
let’s face it, we still need to see or interact with Women either on daily or weekly basis, be it work, restaurant, wherever, or be it just f~~~ing women, or keeping it simple and dating life, or for some, “married MGTOW”, I don’t judge anyone of them, why?, because that’s what some Women do, they judge, bicker and complain, when they’re unable to put a finger on a Male individual. That’s where i f~~~ing draw the line, call them out on their own s~~~, put my two cents, and take off.

 

 

Now as far as Chivalry goes, that word to a female is like a putting a juicy hunk of meat in front of a Tiger, they see it, they desire it,  they’ll devour it, and s~~~ it out later. My mother raised me to be respectful, treat a women right, don’t abuse or hurt a women. She also taught me from a young age, how to cook, clean, iron, do my banking and other things around the house, why? her words “So that way, you never have to depend on a Woman”. an important lesson was learned there, always show respect, however when it’s not reciprocated?, take off, and move on.

 

I say these things, because it’s based all on experience, not just talkin’ out of my ass,  pure experience. Lied to, rejected, hurt, talked down to Etc… Like Keymaster pointed out,These are the things they DO, and choose to do, and most Women, based on from what I’ve seen, teach their daughters, or their nieces to carry on this vicious cycle of Misandry, “Pussy Power” and “Man hating”, it makes me wanna puke, it also lights my fire even more to be  MGHOW/MGTOW, Why? because it’s a path i choice, that not only goes against the grain but it feels natural and it gives a big middle finger to what society wants or our parents want, not a rebellious sort of way, but a way to say “we’re Men, we’re sick and f~~~ing tired of the slavery, alimony, child support, the silent treatment, the cheating, bitching, and a marriage that will probably end in divorce with half my earnings going to a useless c~~~”. 

 

Real talk, straight from the heart. Not a woman hater, just a hater of the misandry, patterns of deceit and manipulation, and unfaithfulness.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"If You have the Tooth of a Whale, You must have the Whale's Jaw to hold it". (i.e. One Must have the right qualifications for leadership) -Hawaiian Proverb

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Perhaps this should have gone into the “Philosophy” section?

You can post whatever you want – wherever you want, Yohan.
We just provide “sections” for a guideline more than a rule. Feel free! That’s what it’s all about.

I like that this isn’t some echo chamber and we get different perspectives.
Actually quite surprised how many married men watch, read and visit our site.
Usually they learn about it and discover…. well….. when it’s too late.

they are far from female values. I see that when my boss calls me into work on my day off and my wife gets p~~~ed

Right!. The textbook definitions of Chivalry (or even feminism) are not REALLY what they are about. You can conceptualize in theory, but in practice (and reality) honorable, loyal and chivalrous men are not the ones women reward with their affections and attention anymore. MGTOW hold these values very close to their hearts, and would compromise them for nothing – not even the opportunity to crush ass.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[YohanParticipant]

No, they are far from female values. I see that when my boss calls me into work on my day off and my wife gets p~~~ed because im keeping my word when I said “call me when you need me.”  That’s why I think men need chivalry. The parts about loyalty and respect to oneself are essential for a man to take a stand against female crap. The whole point of this thread was to explain that chivalry isn’t something to be avoided. The twisted version called being a gentleman, is.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

I’ve noticed a lot of generalization and hatred towards women within the MGTOW community (all for good reason)

OK stop. No you haven’t. Even though you added “for good reason” (and you understand why) I am compelled and obligated to respond because that’s the biggest common misconception.

There is a big difference between “hating women” and hating what women actually DO. The passive acceptance of evil is not a virtue. The accusation of “misogyny” the first thing you mention – and the first bulls~~~ a MGHOW gets shot with – whenever women are criticized for their VERY REAL actions and behavior.

Women can’t just behave however they want and do whatever they like without criticism.

This is not “hating women”
/video/wendy-williams-teaches-women-to-trap-men-into-fatherhood/

It is talking about what women actually DO and is talked about with good intentions to SAVE OTHER MEN from being trapped in to fatherhood against their will. It’s got nothing to do with hating women. It has EVERYTHING to do with the best interests of MEN. Women call us “deadbeat dads”? We call BULLS~~~. That video virtually proves there is no such thing. The men who LEAVE women like this (the whopping majority) are not “deadbeat dads”. The women are deadbeat bitches who deserve to be dumped. And it’s MOST of them.

You also mention “generalizations”.

Understanding the importance of generalizations is one of the first posts on our website for a reason.
http://mgtow.com/generlizations

Generalizations are absolutely necessary if you want to learn anything. To ignore 99% of cases (the generalization) in favor of the 1% (lowest common denominator) is intellectually dishonest. If I were to use the above video link as an example. MOST – almost ALL – women (including one man!) in that random audience of complete strangers would agree that using slippery methods to trap a man is perfectly acceptable, to be encouraged, and even HILARIOUS.

We are not required to be OK with that s~~~.

We are not here to “hate women” we are here to save men’s lives, futures and fortunes. And considering it costs $250,000 to raise a child to 18, anyone who does not have a problem with what slippery and deceitful means women will use to trap their husbands…. has a callous indifference to the humanity of men.

MGTOW is a PRO MALE website and philosophy.

“Hating women” is something else. That would mean we plot and plan to deliberately go out and destroy female lives. What the WOMEN are doing is “hateful” and we are putting an END to it. We are making sure they don’t get away with it.

Understand the difference?

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Another important point on generalizations one must accept, is that it isn’t the “generalization” that’s the problem. You will notice if you were to go on daytime TV and say “men are smarter than women” you would be booed off the stage. But if you say “women are smarter than men” you get an automatic round of applause. – just like she did.

But guess what. MGTOW ARE “smarter than women”.
We know EXACTLY how they play and we see it coming from a mile away.

Does anyone have a problem with that? Anyone? Anyone at all?

Good. Let’s proceed……

So it’s not the generalization, because WOMEN LOVE generalizations — as long as it includes bulls~~~ female worship and adoration. They only have problems with “generalizations” when they don’t like it – even if it’s TRUE.

Let’s pretend you are on TV and you say “Women are perfect, beautiful and they can do no wrong”.
Is any woman going to object to your generalization?

It’s a complete bulls~~~ LIE and NOT ONE woman will stop you and say “NOT ALL WOMEN ARE LIKE THAT!!!!!”
She only says “NAWALT” when she doesn’t like what you said.

Even when a statement is true in the majority, women will say “you can’t generalize like that”.
Oh yes I can. And I will. Watch me. Not only CAN we generalize, but we MUST if we ever want to learn anything.

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With regards to “chivalry”…

/video/gentleman/

Chivalry and MGTOW cannot co-exist. Lets not forget the difference basic decency , and everyday courtesy (extended to all living things) and RESPECT. I won’t step on a bug if I see one, but I also don’t “respect” it. Women have an extremely skewed view of “respect”. Respect is up to the individual to EARN.

Like a driver’s license. You don’t waltz into the DMV and demand a drivers license. You have to earn it every day you are on the road else it gets taken away from you. Driving is not a “right” it’s a privilege you must earn. Everyone must. Even the movie stars, supermodels, and rich people can fail a driver’s test. The DMV is not required to give you a driver’s licence.

This bulls~~~ aout “opening doors” and “pulling chairs out” is a universally decent thing to do like saying “good morning”. We all say “good morning” to people we can’t stand. But MGTOW don’t slay dragons for women and kneel at their feet to be knighted. That’s what “white knights” do.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.