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I’ve noticed a lot of generalization and hatred towards women within the MGTOW community (all for good reason) and an almost unanimous agreement that chivalry is something to be avoided. I was raised to be gentlemanly, and chivalrous. A concept that until very recently enslaved me to the wills and whims of the women in my life. Having found MGTOW and actively applying it to my life, I have come to find a very different meaning of what it is to be “chivalrous” The definition I have found for Chivalry is a code of conduct that promotes loyalty, courtesy, generosity, valor, respect, and honor. However, Merriam-Webster defines it as an honorable and polite way of behaving, especially towards women.
Needless to say, we can all take issue with the last definition. The obvious sexism that puts women on a pedestal simply because they wield the “almighty vagina”. However, the first definition, is not sexist in the least. Men and women alike are able to be chivalrous. The only issue being that only men are expected to be chivalrous. I want to go through this code and explain why I believe one can be MGTOW, but not let chivalry die.
Loyalty: The act of allegiance. Im sure at one point or another we have all felt the sharp pain of betrayal. Be it a broken promise; a friend speaking ill of you behind your back; your lover sleeping with another man. Whatever the disloyalty may be, chivalry defies that. Chivalry states that your word is your bond. In a relationship, it states that you will be monogamous. In a friendship, it means that you stand by them through thick and thin.
Courtesy: The showing of politeness to others in ones attitude and behavior. This is simply how we all wish to be treated. This does not mean to give women special treatment, however to simply be polite to everyone. “Polite”, does not always mean to treat someone well. For example, a simple “You are making me very angry right now. So I am going to leave.” Is polite, but it gets the point across.
Generosity: Showing a readiness to give more of something, as money or time, than is strictly necessary or expected. This could be taking time out of the day to be with a friend in need. Or a willingness to foot the bill at dinner with friends. Note, this does not mean you are required to do this at all times. Simply being willing to do so, so long as it does not compromise other parts of the chivalry code, such as loyalty or respect. Which leads to the next part of the code.
Respect: A feeling of admiration for someone or something elicited by their abilities, qualities, or achievements. Respect comes in two forms. Respect for others. And respect for yourself. To respect others depends largely on what the individual defines as respectful. However, a generalization of this is to keep in mind and consider the other persons wishes and beliefs. This does not mean to conform to them, but to understand how your actions will effect them. And then, respecting yourself. To know where you stand, and to stand firmly by that. Respect for yourself ties into loyalty in the sense that you deserve happiness and fulfillment. To treat yourself well and take care of yourself. Do what makes you happy, and present yourself with pride. An example would be, you want a guys night out. Your girlfriend or wife is p~~~ed that you would dare chose to spend time with the boys rather than her. You worked overtime all month and finally have a day off after spending every other day doing things with her. So you simply say “I understand that you want to spend time with me. But time with my friends is important to me, so that is what I will do. We can schedule another time to have dinner and watch ‘The Notebook.'” You have shown consideration for her wants, but also for yourself as well, unapologetically.
Valor: Showing great courage in the face of danger. Danger comes in many forms, be it as obvious as a man trying to mug you, or as subtle as a woman claiming false rape. We should not be afraid to take a stand and defend ourselves and those people and things we care about.
Honor: To be of high esteem, or respect. Honor does not come from oneself, but from those who see and respect the chivalrous person for displaying the qualities of the code of chivalry.
These things are not gender specific. And they do not promote a single gender above another. That is why I believe that chivalry and MGTOW can survive side by side.
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I’ve noticed a lot of generalization and hatred towards women within the MGTOW community (all for good reason)
OK stop. No you haven’t. Even though you added “for good reason” (and you understand why) I am compelled and obligated to respond because that’s the biggest common misconception.
There is a big difference between “hating women” and hating what women actually DO. The passive acceptance of evil is not a virtue. The accusation of “misogyny” the first thing you mention – and the first bulls~~~ a MGHOW gets shot with – whenever women are criticized for their VERY REAL actions and behavior.
Women can’t just behave however they want and do whatever they like without criticism.
This is not “hating women”
/video/wendy-williams-teaches-women-to-trap-men-into-fatherhood/It is talking about what women actually DO and is talked about with good intentions to SAVE OTHER MEN from being trapped in to fatherhood against their will. It’s got nothing to do with hating women. It has EVERYTHING to do with the best interests of MEN. Women call us “deadbeat dads”? We call BULLS~~~. That video virtually proves there is no such thing. The men who LEAVE women like this (the whopping majority) are not “deadbeat dads”. The women are deadbeat bitches who deserve to be dumped. And it’s MOST of them.
You also mention “generalizations”.
Understanding the importance of generalizations is one of the first posts on our website for a reason.
http://mgtow.com/generlizationsGeneralizations are absolutely necessary if you want to learn anything. To ignore 99% of cases (the generalization) in favor of the 1% (lowest common denominator) is intellectually dishonest. If I were to use the above video link as an example. MOST – almost ALL – women (including one man!) in that random audience of complete strangers would agree that using slippery methods to trap a man is perfectly acceptable, to be encouraged, and even HILARIOUS.
We are not required to be OK with that s~~~.
We are not here to “hate women” we are here to save men’s lives, futures and fortunes. And considering it costs $250,000 to raise a child to 18, anyone who does not have a problem with what slippery and deceitful means women will use to trap their husbands…. has a callous indifference to the humanity of men.
MGTOW is a PRO MALE website and philosophy.
“Hating women” is something else. That would mean we plot and plan to deliberately go out and destroy female lives. What the WOMEN are doing is “hateful” and we are putting an END to it. We are making sure they don’t get away with it.
Understand the difference?
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Another important point on generalizations one must accept, is that it isn’t the “generalization” that’s the problem. You will notice if you were to go on daytime TV and say “men are smarter than women” you would be booed off the stage. But if you say “women are smarter than men” you get an automatic round of applause. – just like she did.
But guess what. MGTOW ARE “smarter than women”.
We know EXACTLY how they play and we see it coming from a mile away.Does anyone have a problem with that? Anyone? Anyone at all?
Good. Let’s proceed……
So it’s not the generalization, because WOMEN LOVE generalizations — as long as it includes bulls~~~ female worship and adoration. They only have problems with “generalizations” when they don’t like it – even if it’s TRUE.
Let’s pretend you are on TV and you say “Women are perfect, beautiful and they can do no wrong”.
Is any woman going to object to your generalization?It’s a complete bulls~~~ LIE and NOT ONE woman will stop you and say “NOT ALL WOMEN ARE LIKE THAT!!!!!”
She only says “NAWALT” when she doesn’t like what you said.Even when a statement is true in the majority, women will say “you can’t generalize like that”.
Oh yes I can. And I will. Watch me. Not only CAN we generalize, but we MUST if we ever want to learn anything.•••••••••
With regards to “chivalry”…
Chivalry and MGTOW cannot co-exist. Lets not forget the difference basic decency , and everyday courtesy (extended to all living things) and RESPECT. I won’t step on a bug if I see one, but I also don’t “respect” it. Women have an extremely skewed view of “respect”. Respect is up to the individual to EARN.
Like a driver’s license. You don’t waltz into the DMV and demand a drivers license. You have to earn it every day you are on the road else it gets taken away from you. Driving is not a “right” it’s a privilege you must earn. Everyone must. Even the movie stars, supermodels, and rich people can fail a driver’s test. The DMV is not required to give you a driver’s licence.
This bulls~~~ aout “opening doors” and “pulling chairs out” is a universally decent thing to do like saying “good morning”. We all say “good morning” to people we can’t stand. But MGTOW don’t slay dragons for women and kneel at their feet to be knighted. That’s what “white knights” do.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.Ok, clearly I’ve misunderstood some things here. And I’ll own up to that. Thank you for clearing that stuff up. But the last video talks about the women-tailored version gentlemanliness that benefits women. Not what I’ve described above.
All of your points were admirable! Values like “honor”, “loyalty”, “code” these are MALE concepts. You don’t have to look very far to see that you could even call them male-ONLY concepts. (Know what I mean?)
Lord knows from top to bottom I agree with you, it all looks great on paper… but it doesn’t work in practice. Just in the way women argue, there is no “code”. They SCOFF at our male code. They don’t even let TRUTH be the decider of a debate – like you or I.
“Honor is a male abstraction. Don’t expect women to understand”.
I heard that one, and just fell back in my chair. I wish I heard it 20 years sooner.Do you really believe that honor, loyalty and respect are female values?
All of it is good on paper but women don’t even SEE the value in them.The current social, professional and LEGAL culture is absolutely devoid of them. When was the last time you heard a woman say “you’re right”.. or “that’s interesting, I never thought about it that way before.”…. you could bet yourself $20 every time she will say “you hate women!” and you’ll be in a paid-off Porsche by next summer.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.No, they are far from female values. I see that when my boss calls me into work on my day off and my wife gets p~~~ed because im keeping my word when I said “call me when you need me.” That’s why I think men need chivalry. The parts about loyalty and respect to oneself are essential for a man to take a stand against female crap. The whole point of this thread was to explain that chivalry isn’t something to be avoided. The twisted version called being a gentleman, is.
Perhaps this should have gone into the “Philosophy” section?
Perhaps this should have gone into the “Philosophy” section?
You can post whatever you want – wherever you want, Yohan.
We just provide “sections” for a guideline more than a rule. Feel free! That’s what it’s all about.I like that this isn’t some echo chamber and we get different perspectives.
Actually quite surprised how many married men watch, read and visit our site.
Usually they learn about it and discover…. well….. when it’s too late.they are far from female values. I see that when my boss calls me into work on my day off and my wife gets p~~~ed
Right!. The textbook definitions of Chivalry (or even feminism) are not REALLY what they are about. You can conceptualize in theory, but in practice (and reality) honorable, loyal and chivalrous men are not the ones women reward with their affections and attention anymore. MGTOW hold these values very close to their hearts, and would compromise them for nothing – not even the opportunity to crush ass.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.As a MGTOW, I still enjoy women, and when i say that i mean, when i watch a movie, or see an old friend, or hang out with a girl that’s pretty chill. But putting them on a pedestal, or glorifying their every action?, sorry not my forte anymore. I don’t hate them at all. There are still good women out there, that will make some dude happy, more power to them. As for me, i just wanna do what I wanna do, when I want to. I’m tired of living my life in the social eye (female eye) and asked: “why won’t you get married?”, “what happened to that girl you were seeing?” “ewww you’re one of those MGTOW’s?”, that s~~~ can go flush it self.
let’s face it, we still need to see or interact with Women either on daily or weekly basis, be it work, restaurant, wherever, or be it just f~~~ing women, or keeping it simple and dating life, or for some, “married MGTOW”, I don’t judge anyone of them, why?, because that’s what some Women do, they judge, bicker and complain, when they’re unable to put a finger on a Male individual. That’s where i f~~~ing draw the line, call them out on their own s~~~, put my two cents, and take off.Now as far as Chivalry goes, that word to a female is like a putting a juicy hunk of meat in front of a Tiger, they see it, they desire it, they’ll devour it, and s~~~ it out later. My mother raised me to be respectful, treat a women right, don’t abuse or hurt a women. She also taught me from a young age, how to cook, clean, iron, do my banking and other things around the house, why? her words “So that way, you never have to depend on a Woman”. an important lesson was learned there, always show respect, however when it’s not reciprocated?, take off, and move on.
I say these things, because it’s based all on experience, not just talkin’ out of my ass, pure experience. Lied to, rejected, hurt, talked down to Etc… Like Keymaster pointed out,These are the things they DO, and choose to do, and most Women, based on from what I’ve seen, teach their daughters, or their nieces to carry on this vicious cycle of Misandry, “Pussy Power” and “Man hating”, it makes me wanna puke, it also lights my fire even more to be MGHOW/MGTOW, Why? because it’s a path i choice, that not only goes against the grain but it feels natural and it gives a big middle finger to what society wants or our parents want, not a rebellious sort of way, but a way to say “we’re Men, we’re sick and f~~~ing tired of the slavery, alimony, child support, the silent treatment, the cheating, bitching, and a marriage that will probably end in divorce with half my earnings going to a useless c~~~”.
Real talk, straight from the heart. Not a woman hater, just a hater of the misandry, patterns of deceit and manipulation, and unfaithfulness.
"If You have the Tooth of a Whale, You must have the Whale's Jaw to hold it". (i.e. One Must have the right qualifications for leadership) -Hawaiian Proverb
Not a woman hater, just a hater of the misandry, patterns of deceit and manipulation, and unfaithfulness.
That’s the part I was misinterpreting. I would read “women do ___ and that’s evil” as “women do ___ so they are evil”
Interaction with women is unavoidable. But I don’t even TRY to avoid the interaction. Christ, even as a MGTOW just today I found myself making eyes with the Starbucks chick who has the face of a goddess. I’m not interested in reforming biology which I have ZERO control over.
What I will avoid is any and every interaction with THE STATE.
WHAT THE F~~~ is the state doing in our personal lives? If it doesn’t work out, don’t f~~~ing tell me I have to PAY her and write her a monthly check, those pieces of s~~~. I don’t write a check to the car dealer for a car I don’t drive anymore, either. Don’t tell me “yes means yes” I know what f~~~ing “yes” means… and unless the state gets MY consent, they will never set one foot in my personal life.
Manclusion: I don’t hate women. The state tells me it’s suicide to live with one. Not my problem.
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When I was 7, my mom also took me into the basement on a sunny day to teach me how to separate the whites and turn on a washing machine. Im like “why?” she says the same thing Mrs. Machina said above “because no woman will ever fold your socks”.
ME: “But don’t you fold Dad’s socks!?”
SHE: “Yes but I’m a NAWALT Unicorn.”
Thanks for the warning Mom. Ten years later the same woman told me to take my bitchy girlfriend in a bad mood a bunch of flowers to “cheer her up”. F~~~ that. I dumped her instead. First fold my socks and then we’ll talk. Until then, don’t expect me to take you out for as much as a cheeseburger. You can buy your own cheeseburger with food stamps.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.Talking about the state, I want to get out of the hell hole called, Canada. South, Korea is a lot better to live in than Canada any day. I would rarely see crazy lying feminists c~~~s like here.
"If pussy was a stock it would be plummeting right now because you've flooded the market with it. You're giving it away too easy." - Dave Chapelle
Good conversation gents.
If someone considers honest and reasonable criticism to be a form of hatred they they are the one with the problem. Accurately pointing out someone’s behavior is not hatred, yet feminists, as well as those who try to instill racial guilt, either can’t grasp this concept or simply don’t give a damn and embrace double standards willingly. I vote for the latter.
You can criticize men but not women, you can criticize whites but not any other race, etc. Equality my ass.
Women do not want equality because they do not want to be held to the same standards as men. That is what gender equality truly is and that is a living hell as far as most of them are concerned.
The Children of Doom... Doom's Children. They told my lord the way to the Mountain of Power. They told him to throw down his sword and return to the Earth... Ha! Time enough for the Earth in the grave.Canada is just completely f~~~ed as a nation in pretty much all areas. PC liberalism is entrenched there and it’s a damn shame.
The Children of Doom... Doom's Children. They told my lord the way to the Mountain of Power. They told him to throw down his sword and return to the Earth... Ha! Time enough for the Earth in the grave.If someone considers honest and reasonable criticism to be a form of hatred they they are the one with the problem
It doesn’t even have to be “criticism”. It can just be non-worship and they go out of their minds. You don’t have to say anything anti-female at all. Even if it’s pro-male (only), women have a problem with it. Try it yourself!
Every once in a while, in the presence of a woman, and as an experiment, I might drop a pro-male statement like
• “Is that the new iPad? It is amazing what men thought up.”
• “Look at that building. Men built that.”
• “If you call for roadside assistance it’s always a man who shows up to help.”A well-adjusted person would acknowledge this and agree!. But a woman will react like you treated her badly. You don’t have to be a misogynist or criticize women, you can be sex-neutral – just talking facts which have nothing to do with women – and women call you a “sexist” and “misogynist”. That’s how twisted their minds are. Royally f~~~ed in the head.
Talking about the state, I want to get out of the hell hole called, Canada.
Feel your pain. I DID get out. I have family, school friends and many former colleagues there. Getting out has really shown me how toxic it was. I could go on, but 3.5 years ago, I quit Facebook – ejecting them AGAIN – because I couldn’t take their toxic misandry s~~~ anymore. I didn’t even want them in my news feed.
Roosh V calls it the worst city in the world (for men). World travel has taught me the same thing, but I had to leave to know just how bad it was, so it must be worse now if men are screaming from the inside.
Recently I had a large group of old school mates and co-workers come and visit. “OMG!! Lets get together!” I wasn’t remotely interested in seeing them. So I pretended to be “out of town”. The last time they came for a visit, I drove out of my way to meet them, and within 2 minutes of sitting down “the queen bee” thought it would be funny to make a snide jab. A joke. A mocking comment to try and be funny.
I said: “I’m not your husband. I don’t have to listen to you.”
When I’m in Canada I use that line more often than you think.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.I see chivalry as treating women with more respect than we treat ourselves simply because they are women.
I see it as sucking up to the boss before “he” has even given you an interview.
i see an entitled girl who expects special treatment from men
I see it as an act of submission, a token of respect and a way of saying “you are my superior”
But more vividly I see a man with great power….someone who is admired and respected. When this man opens doors for you and offers you a seat at his table….you feel F~~~ing honoured.
There is no place for chivalry in a world where men have been devalued to the point of disposable.
Sword. Poetry. Make it rhyme and I will buy the album.
Sword, I cant help but feel like you didn’t read the entire first post at all.
It is so true that if you treat a woman on equal terms she will flip out on you. My ex would scream at me that i “should put her on a pedestal” and she hated the fact that i would reply that “i wouldn’t as we were equal as people” and that “no one is any better than anyone else”. She would hate it and get very verbally abusive.
of course i did its a forum, all we do is read. I’m leaving my take on chivalry and nothing more.
Jesus, this sounds like the women and white knight on YouTube.
9/10 women are that way. Exceptions are not the norm.
I will criticism women’s abhorrent behavior if I wish.
Hate means I’m actually putting time and effort and that I actually care if said woman lives or dies. I don’t. Live your life with your wine and cats, I don’t give a f~~~.
I am a vet. Let me assure you, women have zero concept of honor, valor and sacrifice.
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