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    President Trump Stands and Shakes Over 1,000 Navy Graduates’ Hands For Over an Hour

    As the leader of “the – so-called – free world” (haha!) he had nothing better to do, I guess?

    earns the loyalty and respect from their subordinates.

    A handshake earns you loyalty and respect?
    How naive!

    This is how leadership is done.

    This is how grandstanding is done.

    Trump now has a thousand more military officers whom are loyal to him.

    Haha! He wishes!

    He’s nothing but another puppet of the Elite’s Military Industrial Complex.

    Israel says “Jump!”
    He asks “How high?”

    F~~~ing buffoon, like the rest of them.

    Don't let them Blame, Shame or Tame you!
    Give 'em NOTHING, not even an answer!
    #GenderSegragationNow!

    “President Trump Stands and Shakes Over 1,000 Navy Graduates’ Hands For Over an Hour”

    President Trump Stands and Shakes Over 1,000 Navy Graduates’ Hands For Over an Hour – Hillary Sits and Receives Harvard Attendance Prize

    Folks this is a leader earns the loyalty and respect from their subordinates.

    Most, if not all, of these graduates, whom are now Naval officers, will remember that day as one of the best days of their lives.

    Not only did the current President, President Trump, come to speak at their graduation, but he stood and shook each of their hands.

    This is how leadership is done.

    With few hours work, President Trump now has a thousand more military officers whom are loyal to him.

    That is how one plays the game.

    #814314

    In reply to: Can not fix stupid

    Keith Olbermann Getting Expanded Role at ESPN

    ———The man actively hated by not only the right but the left for bringing politics into game time is going to be given the role to do it again,….in the network in the process of crashing and burning.

    The guy had a mental breakdown which became worse after President Trump won the Nov 2016 presidential election.

    He was very public about this views (and insanity) with his online videos. But, eventually his depression reached a point he stopped his online videos.

    This situation looks like a “pity hire” by one the few friends he has left (I do not know who). But, unless he is seeking help and taking some very powerful meds, he likely will not last long in his new job.

    743 roadmaster
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    Russia will remain fine for three reasons, Europe, China, and President Trump.

    Europe gets most of oil and natural gas from Russia.

    China gets much of their oil and natural gas from Russia, but not all of it, and China can survive without Russian.

    On the other hand, without Russia, much of Europe will freeze during the next winter.

    President Trump keeps the globalists in the U.S. from starting a war with Russia in the hopes of destroying both the U.S. and Russian so only the globalist controlled oil is sold in the world.

    This….which in simple direct words is the EU, ie the western economy is dependent on Russia, not the other way around.
    America’s 5th column lol, yea right destroy Russia.

    mgtow is its own worst enemy- https://www.campusreform.org/

    Russia will remain fine for three reasons, Europe, China, and President Trump.

    Europe gets most of oil and natural gas from Russia.

    China gets much of their oil and natural gas from Russia, but not all of it, and China can survive without Russian.

    On the other hand, without Russia, much of Europe will freeze during the next winter.

    President Trump keeps the globalists in the U.S. from starting a war with Russia in the hopes of destroying both the U.S. and Russian so only the globalist controlled oil is sold in the world.

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    America’s Fifth Column Will Destroy Russia[1]

    Paul Craig Roberts
    Institute of Political Studies
    May 25, 2018

    PCR

    Paul Craig Roberts is an American economist, journalist, blogger, and former civil servant. He was the United States Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for Economic Policy under President Reagan in 1981

    After his time in government he turned to journalism, holding positions of editor and columnist for The Wall Street Journal, columnist for Business Week, the Scripps Howard News Service as well as contributing editor to Harper’s Magazine.

    Roberts was professor of business administration and professor of economics at George Mason University and was the inaugural William E. Simon Chair in Political Economy at Georgetown University, serving for 12 years.

    From 1993 to 1996, he was a distinguished fellow at the Cato Institute. He also was a senior research fellow at the Hoover Institution.

    This is the lecture I would have given if I had been able to accept the invitation to address the St. Petersburg Economic Conference in Russia this weekend.

    Executive Summary: From the standpoint of Russia’s dilemma, this is an important column. Putin’s partial impotence via-a-vis Washington is due to the grip that neoliberal economics exercises over the Russian government. Putin cannot break with the West, because he believes that Russian economic development is dependent on Russia’s integration within the Western economy. That is what neoliberal economics tells the Russian economic and financial establishment.

    Everyone should understand that I am not a pro-Russian anti-American. I am anti-war, especially nuclear war. My concern is that the inability of the Russian government to put its foot down is due to its belief that Russian development, despite all the talk about the Eurasian partnership and the Silk Road, is dependent on being integrated with the West. This totally erroneous belief prevents the Russian government from any decisive break with the West.

    Consequently, Putin continues to accept provocations in order to avoid a decisive break that would cut Russia off from the West. In Washington and the UK this is interpreted as a lack of resolve on Putin’s part and encourages an escalation in provocations that will intensify until Russia’s only option is surrender or war.

    If the Russian government did not believe that it needed the West, the government could give stronger responses to provocations that would make clear that there are limits to what Russia will tolerate. It would also make Europe aware that its existence hangs in the balance.

    The combination of Trump abusing Europe and Europe’s recognition of the threat to its own existence of its alignment with an aggressive Washington would break the Western alliance and NATO. But Putin cannot bring this about because he erroneously believes that Russia needs the West.

    America’s Fifth Column Will Destroy Russia

    If the neoconservatives had self-restraint, they would sit back and let America’s Fifth Column—Neoliberal Economics—finish off Russia for them. Russia is doomed, because the country’s economists were brainwashed during the Yeltsin years by American neoliberal economists. It was easy enough for the Americans to do. Communist economics had come to naught, the Russian economy was broken, Russians were experiencing widespread hardship, and successful America was there with a helping hand.

    In reality the helping hand was a grasping hand. The hand grasped Russian resources through privatization and gave control to American-friendly oligarchs. Russian economists had no clue about how financial capitalism in its neoliberal guise strips economies of their assets while loading them up with debt.

    But worse happened. Russia’s economists were brainwashed into an economic way of thinking that serves Western imperialism.

    For example, neoliberal economics exposes Russia’s currency to speculation, manipulation, and destabilization. Capital inflows can be used to drive up the value of the ruble, and then at the opportune time, the capital can be pulled out, dropping the ruble’s value and driving up domestic inflation with higher import prices, delivering a hit to Russian living standards. Washington has always used these kind of manipulations to destabilize governments.

    Neo-liberal economics has also brainwashed the Russian central bank with the belief that Russian economic development depends on foreign investment in Russia. This erroneous belief threatens the very sovereignty of Russia.

    The Russian central bank could easily finance all internal economic development by creating money, but the brainwashed central bank does not realize this. The bank thinks that if the bank finances internal development the result would be inflation and depreciation of the ruble.

    So the central bank is guided by American neoliberal economics to borrow abroad money it does not need in order to burden Russia with foreign debt that requires a diversion of Russian resources into interest payments to the West.

    As Michael Hudson and I explained to the Russians two years ago, when Russia borrows from the West, the US for example, and in flow the dollars, what happens to the dollars? Russia cannot spend them domestically to finance development projects, so where do the dollars go? They go into Russia’s foreign exchange holdings and accrue interest for the lender.

    The central bank then creates the ruble equivalent of the borrowed and idle dollars and finances the project. So why borrow the dollars? The only possible reason is so the US can use the dollar debt to exercise control over Russian decision making. In other words, Russia delivers herself into the hands of her enemies.

    https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2016/09/28/can-russia-learn-from-brazils-fate-paul-craig-roberts-and-michael-hudson/

    https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2016/08/10/russias-weakness-is-its-economic-policy-paul-craig-roberts-and-michael-hudson/

    https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2016/02/08/privatization-is-the-atlanticist-strategy-to-attack-russia-paul-craig-roberts-and-michael-hudson/

    Indeed, it is the Russian government’s mistaken belief that Russian economic development is dependent on Russia being included as part of the West that has caused Putin to accept the provocations and humiliations that the West has heaped upon Russia. The lack of response to these provocations will eventually cause the Russian government to lose the support of the nationalist elements in Russia.

    Putin is struggling to have Russia integrated into the Western economic system while retaining Russia’s sovereignty (an unrealistic goal), because Putin has been convinced by the element in the Russian elite, which had rather be Western than Russian, that Russia’s economic development depends on being integrated into the Western economy. As the neoliberal economic elite control Russia’s economic and financial policy, Putin believes that he has to accept Western provocations or forfeit his hopes for Russian economic development.

    Russian economists are so indoctrinated with neoliberal economics that they cannot even look to America to see how a once great economy has been completely destroyed by neoliberal economics.

    The US has the largest public debt of any country in history. The US has the largest trade and budget deficits of any country in history. The US has 22 percent unemployment, which it hides by not counting among the unemployed millions of discouraged workers who, unable to find jobs, ceased looking for jobs and are arbitrarily excluded from the measure of unemployment.

    The US has a retired class that has been stripped of any interest payment on their savings for a decade, because it was more important to the Federal Reserve to bail out the bad loans of a handful of “banks too big to fail,” banks that became too big to fail because of the deregulation fostered by neoliberal economics.

    By misrepresenting “free trade” and “globalism,” neoliberal economics sent America’s manufacturing and tradeable professional skill jobs abroad where wages were lower, thus boosting the incomes of owners at the expense of the incomes of US wage-earners, leaving Americans with the lowly paid domestic service jobs of a Third World country. Real median family income in the US has been stagnant for decades. The Federal Reserve recently reported that Americans are so poor that 41 percent of the population cannot raise $400 without selling personal possessions.

    Young Americans, if they have university educations, begin life as debt slaves. Currently there are 44,200,000 Americans with student loan debt totalling $1,048,000,000,000 — $1.48 trillion!

    https://studentloanhero.com/student-loan-debt-statistics/

    In the US all 50 states have publicly supported universities where tuition is supposed to be nominal in order to encourage education. When I went to Georgia Tech, a premier engineering school, my annual tuition was less than $500. Loans were not needed and did not exist.

    What happened? Financial capitalism discovered how to turn university students into indentured servants, and the university administrations cooperated. Tuitions rose and rose and were increasingly allocated to administration, the cost of which exploded. Today many university administrations absorb 75% of the annual budget, leaving little for professors’ pay and student aid.

    An obedient Congress created a loan program that ensnares young American men and women into huge debt in order to acquire an university education. With so many of the well-paying jobs moved offshore by neoliberal economics, the jobs available cannot service the student loan debts.

    A large percentage of Americans aged 24-34 live at home with parents, because their jobs do not pay enough to service their student loan debt and pay an apartment rent. Debt prevents them from living an independent existence.

    In America the indebtedness of the population produced by neoliberal economics—privatize, privatize, deregulate, deregulate, indebt, indebt—prevents any economic growth as the American public has no discretionary income after debt service to drive the economy. In America the way cars, trucks, and SUVs are sold is via zero downpayment and seven years of loans. From the minute a vehicle is purchased, the loan obligation exceeds the value of the vehicle.

    The Wall Street Journal reports that Mike Meru, a dentist earning $225,000 annually, has $1,060,945.42 in student loan debt. He pays $1,589.97 monthly, which is not enough to cover the interest, much less reduce the principal. Consequently, his debt from seven years at the University of Southern California grows by $130 per day. In two decades, his loan balance will be $2 million. https://www.wsj.com/articles/mike-meru-has-1-million-in-student-loans-how-did-that-happen-1527252975

    If neoliberal economics does not work for America, why will it work for Russia? Neoliberal economics only works for oligarchs and their institutions, such as Goldman Sachs, who are bankrolled by the central bank to keep the economy partially afloat.

    Washington will agree to Russia being integrated into the Western system when Putin agrees to resurrect the Yeltsin-era practice of permitting Western financial institutions to strip Russia of her assets while loading her up with debt.

    I could continue at length about the junk economics, to use Michael Hudson’s term, that is neoliberal economics. The United States is failing because of it, and so will Russia.

    John Bolton and the neocons should just relax. Neoliberal economics, which has the Russian financial interests, the Russian government and apparently Putin himself in its grip, will destroy Russia without war.


    Paul Craig Roberts
    Institute for Political Economy

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    [1] https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2018/05/25/americas-fifth-column-will-destroy-russia/

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    In reply to: Morgan Freeman

    Awakened
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    I thought that #metoo was just going to start taking the alphabetic approach to the Rich and Famous Men of Hollywood ???

    The way it is now, they’re all going to get their turn anyways, but at least THEY would be sure Not to Miss ANY. LOL LOL LOL

    THIS has become as Predictable, Uneventful, and Unbelievable as Trump News Reports/Hate Stories.

    In a World of Justin Beibers Be a Johnny Cash

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    Anonymousyam
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    Harvey Weinstein turned himself in today and hes facing 35 years in jail even though he paid about 1 million dollars for the bail before the trial that is scheduled to happen

    The Jewish factor of the equation is what works in the favor of Weinstein here, He is facing 35 years in jail is what he is facing up to however he has multiple options he can take now.

    For example he can flee to the country of Israel where they will not extradite him (Jews do not extradite other Jews unless the crime if against Jews). Or that he can get all the Jewish lawyers to defend him since he is part of the tribe.

    And finally is the the Clinton defense (what Clinton was known for) and that is that Weinstein would likely be pardoned if sent to prison at the last minute by either Trump or the next president after him especially Trump since he is one of the most pro Jewish presidents of our time.

    You would never know when the STASI would come “out of the blue” to pick you up over some false suspicion or prefabricated “reason”.

    The problem with this example is that the tribe which Mr Weinstein is part of had their roles with the Soviet Union and their secret Police which picked up dissenters, dragged them into the woods, forced them to dig their own graves and shot them.

    Camps like Gitmo and the things stated in the Patriot act are my closely related to what you are talking about then with Weinstein.

    Just an east coast asshole who likes to curse, If you get offended by words like fuck, cunt, shit, piss, bitch or any racial slurs then you just scroll down.

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    StandUpGuy
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    I do not know all of the facts; but if he was really a rapist and not just a casting couch clown – (remember many got big fame and money from knowing him). He would have gone to jail long ago. This whole thing was to get Trump in the first place.

    #813792
    Beer
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    Yup. They took their tax break, closed a factory and built a new one overseas. Also, they have no innovation. Sad.

    If you look into though, the tax break had nothing to do with closing a plant, it would have happened regardless as they just aren’t selling the bikes they used to, and they’re building over seas to sell over seas. One of their main reasons for doing that is to avoid tariffs.

    Interesting that Trump pushes for tariffs and people freak the f~~~ out…but other countries seem to have no problem placing tariffs on our exports.

    Y_
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    The Fight for Brasil – An Interview [1][2]

    [Y : The recent history of Brasil revolves around the governments of ex-Presidents Dilma Rousseff (2014-2016) and Luiz Inacio ‘Lula’ da Silva (2003 – 2011) which have stood against the CIA-backed governments of the last decade.

    Both Lula and Rousseff are members of the left-leaning Workers’ Party, which has been credited with lifting tens of millions of Brazilians out of poverty since Lula was first elected in 2003.

    The reason why Washington wanted to get rid of Rousseff is clear. As President, she is one of the five BRICS heads who signed the formation of the Development Bank of BRICS, with an initial authorized capital of $ 100 billion and a reserve fund of another 100 billion dollars. It also supports a new international reserve currency to complement and eventually replace the dollar.

    The BRICS has officially expanded its economic might into the Caribbean and South America through the OBOR project this year via Brasil.

    Rousseff’s impeachment in 2016 ended nearly 14 years of rule by the Workers’ Party. Rousseff is a former political prisoner who took part in the underground resistance to the U.S.-backed Brazilian dictatorship in the 1960s. She was jailed from 1970 to 1972, during which time she was repeatedly tortured. She was elected president in 2010 and re-elected in 2014.

    Protests are continuing in Brazil over the imprisonment of former President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva. Lula was Rousseff’s mentor and former President.

    Lula recently began serving a 12-year prison sentence for a highly controversial corruption conviction. Lula had been the front-runner in this year’s presidential election. His supporters say his jailing is a continuation of a coup that began in 2016, when his close ally, Dilma Rousseff, was impeached as president.

    Earlier this week, Lula was dealt another setback when Brazil’s Fourth Federal Regional Court denied Lula’s latest appeal. In April 2018 he was sentenced to prison on unproven charges and barred from the October 2018 elections. He was the main architect of the current Brazilian economic policies.

    Meanwhile, hundreds of Lula supporters have set up an encampment outside the prison where Lula is being held in the the southern city of Curitiba.

    It is expected that CIA-backed regime change ushering in Michel Temer’s pro-American coalition (with help from other elements of the judiciary and civil administration} is currently underway. The future of Brasil is uncertain.

    Here is an interview recently made public. Y]

    The Wholesale Attack on Brazilian Sovereignty: An Interview With Former Foreign Minister Celso Amorim

    Brian Mier / Brasil Wire

    For the past 25 years, Celso Amorim has been Brazil’s most important diplomat, serving as Foreign Affairs Minister in the governments of Itamar Franco (1993-1995) and Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva (2003-2010), and Minister of Defense for Dilma Rousseff (2011-2015).

    Born in 1942 in the port city of Santos, Amorim graduated at the top of his class at the Rio Branco Institute, the Brazilian government’s diplomacy school, in 1965. This earned him a scholarship to the Diplomatic Academy of Vienna, where he spent 3 years, followed by 3 years at the London School of Economics studying under Ralph Miliband.

    After working for several years as a Portuguese literature professor at the Rio Branco Institute he was invited to head Embrafilme, the Military Government’s film agency, in 1979. Shortly afterwords he was fired for financing the film Pra Frente, Brasil, by Roberto Farias, which shows scenes of political prisoners being tortured by the Military.

    Nominated as the International Affairs Secretary in the Science and Technology Ministry in 1987 by the José Sarney administration, Amorim has served in every government since except the current one (2016-present). His tenure as Lula’s Minister of Foreign Affairs was marked by Brazil taking an active role on the international stage.

    Under Amorim’s guidance, Brazil expanded its role in Mercosur, Unasul, IBSA and the BRICS, became more active in the UN Security council and improved trade relationships with countries in Africa, Asia and the Middle East. In a 2009 article in Foreign Policy, David Rothkopf called him, “The World’s best foreign minister”.

    I spoke with Celso Amorim on May 16, 2018. The interview has been edited for readability.

    I would like to ask you about a concept called sovereignty … What is sovereignty, why is it important and what did Lula’s government do to increase Brazilian sovereignty?

    Well, I hope you don’t want me to go into the history of the concept of sovereignty since the 16th Century more or less, when it was established. It’s really the capacity to determine your own destiny- up to a point of course because everyone lives in the World and the circumstances of the World are also influential. But it is, at least, to be able to guide your own country in a way that corresponds to the interests of your people.

    Basically I think that is what sovereignty means. That you can face external pressures in a way that is not submissive. Of course you have to negotiate very often but you have to define your own priorities according to your own interests and the interests of your people. I think that is basically what sovereignty is and of course that implies some control over your natural resources.

    The United States is very conscious of what sovereignty is because when a Chinese company decided to buy an important technology company in the United States president Trump just vetoed it. So sovereignty is this. There are some assets which are essential to your capacity to determine your own destiny, of course taking into account the circumstances of the World. I think this is what we want.

    In order to do that of course you need to have a foreign policy that is able to be affirmative of your views and to defend this policy, enabling you to face any possible threat that may exist.

    How do you think Lula’s government strategy towards the question of sovereignty differed from, for example, those of Fernando Henrique Cardoso or Itamar Franco?

    Very simply. I’ll give you an example because I think its better to exemplify than to try to define. Lula’s attitude in relation to the deep water petroleum reserves in which he established the government role for Petrobras is one case of preserving our natural resources.

    Another example was his authorizing the development of a nuclear propelled submarine which would be able to be vigilant about our very long coast. One has to keep in mind – sometimes we forget – that Brazil has the longest Atlantic coastline in the World. I would say that in foreign policy, which I was more active in, his government contributed to build a more multi-polar World in which each country is not necessarily subject to anyone’s hegemony.

    How did he do that? I would exemplify this with the integration of South America which is now being abandoned by the present government, because even if Brazil is big, it’s not big enough to face the big blocks like the United States, which is a block in itself, China, which is a block in itself, or the European Union.

    The integration of South America was important, relations with other countries in the South, including in Africa and also India and so on, and we also contributed to the creation of BRICS which somehow gives greater balance to international relations.

    These are some examples but, regarding economic relations, I could also mention our attitudes vis a vis the Free Trade Area of the Americas (FTAA) that was being pushed by the United States, our attitudes in relation to the DOHA trade rounds in which we completely reversed the trend to have a very negative agreement from the point of view of developing countries.

    Well, these are some examples of sovereignty, and of course this was all based on greater social justice which increased the government’s legitimacy. I say legitimacy not only because it was elected, but also because it had the actual support of the great majority of the Brazilian people, especially as Lula worked to reduce inequality in Brazil.

    How does this approach differ from the Michel Temer government’s policies?

    In almost every respect, the Temer government is doing exactly the opposite. Internally it is, of course, taking measures which increase inequality instead of decreasing it, like the new labor laws and the freezing of expenditures in health and education by constitutional amendment, which is something that is absolutely unheard of anywhere in the World as far as I know.

    And externally there is a foreign policy which in the best moments is just nothing and in the worst moments is doing things like contributing to the disintegration of South America by deactivating Unasul, which was a big achievement during the Lula government, and by not having any initiative in relation to the BRICS and other groups like IBSA (India Brazil South Africa). They are diminishing our presence everywhere – even in relation to Palestine and Israel by not having an independent attitude.

    They have a very submissive attitude which tends to give more importance to one or another internal lobby than to the real interests of peace in the World. So these are some examples, but I could add some others, for instance by allowing Embraer to go into a merger with Boeing – of course everyone knows who will dominate the result of this merger – so these are some examples. I could go on and on.

    During the time that you served as Minister of Foreign Relations for the Lula administration and Defense Minister for Dilma Rousseff, what are a few policies that Brazil implemented that, in your mind, pleased the US Government? What are a few policies that you think may have angered them?

    First of all, our preoccupation was not to please or to not please anyone. Our preoccupation was to pursue our own interests in solidarity with other countries, especially in our region, in other developing countries in our region and in Africa. By doing so, we may have frequently displeased the United States.

    For instance there was our attitude in the WTO meeting in Cancun 2003 during which Brazil led the resistance to an agreement that would have been detrimental to developing countries. But having said that six months later Bob Zoellick, who was the chief negotiator from the United States, got in touch with me to see what kind of agreement could be possible, what was the kind of position that could be formed in favor of an agreement.

    So even when we displeased the United States we didn’t do that just to annoy them – we were pursuing our interests. And I think that was, to a large extent, understood. So much so that when, for instance, Bush called for this Summit of the G20, I can not be sure if it was the first but one of the first people he called was President Lula to say, “I’m thinking of having this G20 meeting in order that the important countries can see how we can deal with the World economy after the Lehman Brothers crisis.”

    This is one example. There have been other cases, though, in which the United States actually was interested in the presence of Brazil, like the Annapolis Conference for the Middle East, the Palestine/Israel question.

    Brazil was one of the very few developing countries to be invited. I had a good dialogue with Condoleezza Rice in that respect. Of course we didn’t agree on everything but we talked with each other respectfully. Later on, President Obama actually asked President Lula to help broker an agreement with Iran.

    We helped. We obtained exactly what had been requested from Iran. We brokered it together with Turkey. And when it finally came out it was an achievement. But in May 2010 – I can not say to my surprise because they already had given signals – to our disappointment the United States, led then by Secretary of State Hilary Clinton I am sure, preferred to pursue a role of sanctions and negative actions and dismantled the effort that they themselves had asked us to implement.

    So was the United States angry? I’m not sure. And bringing Cuba to the OAS. It was in Brazil that Cuba participated in all the forums that exist in South America and Latin America and the Caribbean for the first time. It happened in late 2008. So that was a step that made it necessary to also have Cuba in the Summit of the Americas. Obama himself recognized that. But later on, Trump went in a different way. So it’s very difficult to say.

    It’s not our task to know what will please the United States and what will displease the United States. Our task – and this is part of sovereignty – is to pursue our own interests and to a larger extent also the interests of other countries like ours, other developing countries, starting with South America.

    OK, I asked you that question because….

    I can tell you what actions by the United States displeased us. One of them was refusing the agreement that they had asked us to promote with Iran. Certainly what displeased us – I was no longer Foreign Minister but I was the Defense Minister – was the spying on our President, the spying on our oil company, the spying on our Ministry of Energy. So these are some examples of things that displeased us. But even so we did not break our dialogue with the United States because, of course, the United States is extremely important. It’s still the most important country in the World.

    I asked this question because, as we know, there was a Coup d´Etat in Brazil in 2016.

    Yes.

    And one of the things leading up to the Coup was the Lava Jato investigation (Operation Car Wash) and its paralyzation of the Brazilian engineering and construction industry, which cased 500,000 immediate layoffs and a drop in GDP in 2015.

    And we know that Lava Jato is a joint operation between the US Department of Justice, the FBI and the Public Prosecutors team from Curitiba led by Sergio Moro, which, according to a motion for reversal filed by Lula’s defense team in March, 2018, is based on illegal informal communications between the Brazilian judiciary and the US Department of Justice.

    Yes.

    So we know that there was some involvement of the United States in events which led up to the Coup and Lula’s imprisonment. What reasons would the United States have to want to be involved in all of this?

    I can give you a very simple example from the old Chinese proverb that a picture is worth 1000 words. There was a cover of the American issue of the Economist which showed an upside down map of the Americas. South America was on the top and the rest was below it. The title of the front page article was “Nobody’s Backyard”.

    I think that the simple fact that, when it appeared in 2009 or 2010, the planners and the intelligence people in the United States… I think when the intelligence people had one of their regular meetings which I suppose they have in spite of the lack of coordination sometimes, they saw that map saying that South America and Latin America is no longer the United States’ back yard and it is promoting things like the BRICS, like independent meetings with Arab countries, having meetings on their own, creating Unasul without the patronage of either the US or Europe…

    I think all that – I wouldn’t say anger, necessarily – I think all these things suddenly raised eyebrows in Washington and someone said ‘well we have to put these things right, put these guys where they belong, which is in the back yard.’ I’m not saying that everything was planned by the United States.

    It’s very difficult to say and I have no evidence for that, but certainly there was this cooperation that was mentioned even by Kenneth Blanco from the Department of Justice. He said that there was very informal cooperation with the judiciary in Brazil, which is a scandal really because if you have agreements related to justice or to law enforcement they have follow the rules.

    And following the rules implies going through the appropriate channels. Informal cooperation is a way of exerting direct domination over less conscious actions. That is what happened. I was the Foreign Minister and I could see it all the time, not only the American Ambassador – I’m not saying it was only the US but the US are more powerful – trying to go around the Foreign Ministry. They would say, “oh, the Foreign Ministry is very bureaucratic, it’s very obstructive.” Of course we were – we were the front line of sovereignty. So when you raise these questions I think you are probably right.

    I don’t have many pieces of evidence that I can draw on, but certainly this proof of the informal cooperation is important. The spying, of course, was not innocent. Do you think they spied on Dilma because there was a risk of a communist government? There was nothing like that. They spied because they were interested in things that were around the Oil industry and, later on, the nuclear energy industry and of course all the cases that were related to those industries.

    The case that there was very strong cooperation between US officials and Brazilian officials in Lava Jato is very convincing. The real objective of the Lava Jato investigation is removing not only Dilma and not only Lula as a person, but its a project, a project for a country in which sovereignty occupied a central place.

    Was financing engineering companies like Odebrecht through the Brazilian National Social and Economic Development Bank (BNDES) an integral part of Brazil’s foreign policy?

    Not Odebrecht in particular but, of course, support for all the Brazilian engineering companies abroad was a very important aspect of our presence in Africa and our presence in South America and those things created jobs in Brazil, contrary to what a large part of the Brazilian elite believed. So I have no doubt that all these instruments which are linked to Brazilian sovereignty and the capacity of Brazil to be present in other places in the World were destroyed on purpose. It’s impossible to have…

    It’s not only Odebrecht, it’s all the Brazilian construction companies, which were certainly the most dynamic sector of Brazilian industry acting abroad, that were affected. Now, another important company, Embraer, is being swallowed by Boeing. And the lending arm of BNDES was curtailed.

    What BNDES was doing, actually, was like any bank in Europe generally does in terms of bringing special conditions to loans for activities in very poor or vulnerable countries. So this is part of the wholesale attack on the pillars of Brazilian sovereignty.

    It is not only the foreign policy that is formulated in the Foreign Ministry but also the concrete means through which this foreign policy is exerted. And this certainly includes the engineering companies. Not only them, but Embraer also, as I mentioned before. But let us say the solutions or the ways they chose to attack were different but with a similar result in that Brazil is now much weaker in its presence abroad. And BNDES of course is part of that as well.

    The PT is a left or center-left political party and the democratic party in the United States is considered by some people to be center-left. Obama once called Lula “the man” and praised Brazil a lot but at the same time his government was illegally spying on Brazil, listening to Dilma Rousseff’s telephone conversations and spying on the petroleum industry. Do you think that the PT governments of Dilma and Lula made a mistake in trusting the democrats too much?

    I don’t think this is the problem. I don’t even think that Obama had full control over what happened with his hidden government or whatever you call it – deep government – in the United States, which involves the intelligence community plus maybe some sectors of the defense industry. So Obama probably didn’t know. Of course he came to know afterwords. I think these things happen independently.

    I’m not saying anything new. I lived in the United States in the 1970s and in other periods. I read, for instance, the Ellsberg Reports and the Pentagon Papers. Many things that happen do so without the knowledge of the President of the United States. So Obama did not necessarily determine those actions.

    I’m not saying this to excuse Obama. Of course Obama also disappointed us in other ways. I mentioned the agreement on the Iranian nuclear program. But I think these things are the doings of a deeper state, which exists in the United States, which sees things from a very geopolitical security point of view and, as I mentioned to you before, when they saw this cover of the Economist they were not happy.

    That’s not the idea. It’s not Brazil that has to be leading South America. It must be the United States. That’s part of the ideology of the deep government. I think Obama tried to have a more conciliatory view, certainly not breaking with the deep government but trying to find different ways and I think it is very significant, for instance, that in the Summit of the Americas that took place in Trinidad and Tobago in 2009, he asked for a meeting with Unasul – the same Unasul that is being destroyed now by our own government, without the United States having to fire even a shot in that.

    So you have to see these things as part of a two-fold movement. Part of it is this deep government in the United States which of course has links to financial capital, which has links with the military establishment and of course the intelligence agencies which I mentioned.

    You have to see this also in the light of this very passive, even submissive attitude of the Brazilian elite which doesn’t want Brazil to be assertive in international affairs. Which prefers to see Brazil like a good subordinate of the United States.

    It’s always been like that in South America. Before we discussed integration seriously with Mercosur and later on with Unasul and other initiatives, the main competition between Brazil and Argentina was to see who was the United States’ best friend instead of trying to be friends with each other. Of course we should be friends with the United States as well, but defending our own interests first.

    Lula was arrested 38 days ago on charges with no material evidence. Do you think there are going to be free elections this year?

    I took the initiative of launching a manifesto called “Elections without Lula are a fraud”. It is a manifesto that was signed by many intellectuals in the United States, by people like Noam Chomsky, by many other intellectuals in Europe, by Nobel Prize Laureates, by ex-Presidents and ex-Prime Ministers. T

    he polls show that the candidate favored by the Brazilian people is Lula, by far. He wins in all scenarios in the second round, and in the first round he has twice as many votes as the second place candidate. He is certainly the one who is preferred by the people. So I think that all our efforts should begin towards making it possible for Lula to be a candidate.

    I know it’s an uphill battle, especially from the judicial point of view because this didn’t happen all at once. It is a process that went through the impeachment of president Dilma but went all the way, focusing on Lula. Just this week Judge Moro- it’s an incredible thing even from the point of view of appearances – the man who conducted the investigation and the condemnation of Lula, is receiving a prize in the Brazilian American Chamber of Commerce. Is that a coincidence? I don’t know.

    In politics I don’t believe in coincidences, everything is related somehow. So I think this is the most telling fact and the most telling image of what is happening now in relation to Brazil. The Judge is being rewarded for the good service he made. I’m not saying that he got money or anything like that but he is being recognized as the man of the year because he was able to put Lula in prison.

    In Latin there is an expression, et quid prodest, ‘who profits from it’. So I think the prize gives the answer.

    Some outlets in the American and English media are saying that Guilherme Boulos is the heir to Lula even though he is only polling at 0.5%. What will happen if Lula is not allowed to run?

    Well I think this is still speculation. Of course it is important in politics to speculate, but I think we have to focus on the task of the moment. The task of the moment is still trying to have Lula run and starting his campaign.

    There is no law that prevents him from campaigning. Although physically he is in prison, he is an idea, he’s an image and it’s very interesting that with him in prison he still has twice as much support as the second place candidate. It is almost unheard of. If you think of similar examples they have to do with colonial or semi-colonial situations like South Africa or India in the times of Gandhi.

    Lula is a unique case. Can you think of any Western democracy in which someone in prison, who has been in prison for 5 weeks now, was ever, by far, the most preferred candidate by the people? I think this is something that has to come through and be understood even by the judges even if they are formally following what the law prescribes.

    This goes totally against the central idea of democracy, which is people’s sovereignty. Sovereignty has two faces. We spoke a lot about it externally, the sovereignty which is preventing other countries or other nations or other centers of power from dominating your country. But there is the internal face of sovereignty, which is the fact that the government has to reflect what the people want. That is the principal that Jean Jacques Rousseau established of the people’s sovereignty.

    And what is happening in Brazil is a frontal attack against people’s sovereignty. I hope at some point, because there are still some stages to go, even people in the judiciary who have been negative or hesitant may see that this is the best thing for Brazil, irrespective even of some particular interests. Lula is not actually a firebrand revolutionary.

    He wants reform, he wants to have a society that is more equal in which Blacks and women are all treated appropriately and have equal opportunities but he is not someone who wants to destroy private property. He showed that.

    So I hope people will see that, and see that the best solution is to free Lula – it’s difficult, you may think that I am too idealistic but anyway maybe I am – and to allow him to run for office. And then of course if someone else wins, OK. But I think he will win.

    Citations
    [1] https://www.truthdig.com/articles/the-wholesale-attack-on-brazilian-sovereignty-an-interview-with-former-foreign-minister-celso-amorim/

    [2] https://www.britannica.com/biography/Luiz-Inacio-Lula-da-Silva
    [3] https://www.democracynow.org/2018/4/20/dilma_rousseff_lulas_imprisonment_is_part

    #813740
    Daryll55
    Daryll55
    Participant

    THIS is what a man gets when he loves a woman.

    On their most IMPORTANT DAY, instead of beaming eyes from his would-be Wife, he gets this:

    Royal Wedding

    I copped this image from the “Cell phone addiction” thread.
    She is even looking down at it as the photo is snapped, and has it slightly tilted.
    AMAZING

    Connection to the hive trumps ANYTHING you got going on….

    Marry again, Hell NO ! ( Even JESUS was hung on a cross just once)

    #813670

    In reply to: Free Tommy

    It'sallbs
    It’sallbs
    Participant

    He was on condtion forma previous trumped up charge which as red pill phil says means they can arrest toy for breathing.

    Also section 35 is being used to stop free speecha s was seen at the fLA march in remberance of teh 22 victims of the arena atatck in Manchetser on teh 1 year anniversayr (which was this week)last week.

    http://www.leavemeansleave.eu

    #813550
    Carnage
    Carnage
    Participant

    Ok. So hitlery is crook, they where trying to f~~~ up trump.

    Hitlery took money from Russians and deals about uranium.

    Now what?

    Nothing gonna happen.

    Justice prevails… if accused is poor, specially if is a poor men.

    Now the greatest pussy pass in history.

    To those following me, be careful, I just farted. Men those beans are killers.

    #813491

    Anonymous

    Did they really think that companies who’s only purpose is to make money for their stock holders would give free money away to it’s workers?

    No they did not.

    I’m a Trump supporter on social issues. This was an economic issue and was a scam.

    #813299
    Bstoff
    bstoff
    Participant

    At this point, I almost believe that the #metoo movement is a covert pro-Trump group, at least their leaders might be, because the group goes after those that support globalist beliefs. And with each accusation against a rich globalist, that is one less rich person supporting the democrats with campaign contributions and influential support.

    Good point Faust For Science, but I think the globalists are the ones who’ve always gotten away with their actions because of their power in Hollywood.

    Now that Trump is denouncing some of the power elite, their victims are emboldened to speak out.

    Either way, I hope this continues to take down the power structure.

    This might be a side of fake feminism that actually benefits the common man, who isn’t pulling the strings of power.

    Harkening back to the Bill Clinton Presidency, and the slams Hillary made on Bill’s victims, I bet we can all guess how much credibility these accusers would have if Hillary was the President.

    #813230

    At this point, I almost believe that the #metoo movement is a covert pro-Trump group, at least their leaders might be, because the group goes after those that support globalist beliefs. And with each accusation against a rich globalist, that is one less rich person supporting the democrats with campaign contributions and influential support.

    #813212
    Sky-☯️
    Sky-☯️
    Participant

    The conclusion is clear. Behavioral characteristics are hereditary and the son’s of kings may be more likely to carry on the genetic tendency to lead from their fathers.

    Omigosh. . .

    That’s groundbreaking research. So, like the son of a kings have a higher probability of becoming a king/leader than, for example the son of a peasant farmer.

    Who would have known?

    And like I guess that means that the US President Bush from 2000-2008 had some kind of inherent ‘leadership’ characteristics passed down to him from his father who was president from 1988-1992. (LOL, Despite that fact that he failed at everything he ever did prior to securing the Republican nomination and there is like no way that his father’s money, wealth and power influenced any of it)

    This all makes sense now. I have a buddy that is a retired commercial pilot and all three of his sons are pilots. It wasn’t all of the money that daddy spent sending them to commercial flight school and the fact that he held their b~~~~ for the first 25 years of their lives. They actually had a genetic predisposition to it.

    Using this logic, then Donald’s son, Barron Trump should be president someday.

    It’s amazing. Male offspring of Strong Leaders destined to also be strong leaders due to genetics. As opposed to the social, political and economic foundation having been laid for them by their fathers.

    The fact is:

    If a study could be done to attempt to prove that theory, using male offspring of ‘strong leaders’ that were raised by an adoptive family and/or were illegitimate and unaware of their biological father –

    The results would be different.

    Because it’s not genetics. It has everything to do with the environment they are raised in, social & economic class combined with a subjective (and flawed) / perceived view of what they should or could be. Then an artificial chain of events occurs that gives the appearance they should be leaders and on some level inherited their leadership skills.

    Beer
    Beer
    Participant

    As I said, you have been brainwashed into thinking Stalism and classic communism by Karl Marx is the same thing.

    Definitions right out of the dictionary…already posted it, but I’ll post it again because it didn’t sink in the first time.

    1. a theory or system of social organization based on the holding of all property in common, actual ownership being ascribed to the community as a whole or to the state.
    2. (often initial capital letter) a system of social organization in which all economic and social activity is controlled by a totalitarian state dominated by a single and self-perpetuating political party.

    I don’t care what you want to define “communism” as…its pretty clear cut what it is. Unless you want to tell me how you define it, so I can tell you that your wrong again, this one is pretty clear cut.

    No. Before the Trump tax cut SALT deductions were only allow citizens within a few states.

    And that is wrong. If you paid 20,000 in SALT taxes last year, you got the exact same deduction from the federal government regardless of what state you live in. If you pay 20,000 in SALT taxes this year, you’ll get the same exact deduction from the federal government regardless of what state you live in. The federal government doesn’t change the rules whether you live in California or Kentucky.

    You miss my point.

    Nah, I get your point, its just wrong lol.

    What do you not understand? The federal government has nothing to do with what an individual pays for SALT taxes. If people are bitching because they think they’re getting f~~~ed by SALT taxes its because of the state/local government…not the federal.

    Civics lesson. SALT stands for State And Local Taxes. They are not set by the federal government.

    But is person A is left in poverty for a lifetime of subsidizing person B, person A would want back what was taken from person B and the supporters of person B, with interest.

    That is wealth distribution.

    You mistake is believing that the situation can only go one way.

    I must have missed the part where Trump started a program that people who collected welfare in the past had to pay back what they collected + interest.

    But, are incorrect. There is no difference between the two because both come from a standpoint of having the people have arms to overthrow a corrupt government.

    So…if you lived in a communist nation and thought it was an awful system, and thanks to your gun rights, you lead a violent revolution to overthrow the communist government and establish a capitalist government that also believed in gun rights, would you still be a communist?

    According to your failed “logic” you would be, because anyone who believes in gun rights is a communist.

    As I stated, that is not classic communism. That is is Stalism. Classic communism is about the people rising up to determine their own freedom by taking back what has been stolen and wrongfully denied them.

    That is what communists believe. I do not necessarily agreeing with it, but I am acknowledging.

    Unfortunately if you want to go with this definition literally every group of people who revolted against a government would be communist…even in cases where the established government post revolution was not communist governments.

    In other words, what you claiming, is wrong.

    This is your defense. You clearly have not looked into the policies Trump supporters support.

    So educate me. Link me to something credible that proves Trump wants to nationalize private industries. Something tells me you won’t, because you can’t lol. Sorry man, I’m not going to believe every bulls~~~ thing you post, especially considering how ridiculous you are being.

    No. You say that. Many Trump supporters are either radicalized tea party members and worker classing people, with some from union.

    Trump supporters are not a conservative group.

    The point was a media who is biased against you or ignores you does not dictate what you are. If you have a million capitalist march and the media ignores it, it doesn’t make those capitalists communists…and that is what you tried to claim. The media is biased against Trump so Trump = communist…its just s~~~ logic dude.

    As I stated before, you confusion classic communism with Stalism.

    Read definition of communism above. I’m not mistaking what communism is. Its cut and dry.

    No. You do not make sense. You make a lot of accusations of comments you cannot constructively disagree with.

    Well…pretty much everything you have said is just factually wrong or absolute garbage logic. Let’s run through one real quick.

    1. Marx supported gun rights.
    2. If you support gun rights you must be a communist.

    Yet…like I mentioned…what if you use those gun rights to overthrow a communist government and establish a pro gun capitalist government…are you still a communist because you support gun rights? No. But by your logic you are.

    See…I constructively disagreed with that…I told you why your logic is wrong, how would you rebut that?

    Said publishers of dictionaries are controlled by the same globalists that control the schools.

    Look up the actual writing of Karl Marx. His writings are far different than what you were likely taught in school.

    Keep in mind the globalists whom control the schools want the commoners to be slaves, so the globalists make sure the schools never teach the truth.

    Schools no longer even teach math. This “new math” is designed to prevent people from learning actual math.

    Lol…its a general definition of communism…its not meant to be negative or positive. Posting things like “the dictionary is wrong” isn’t how you get people to see where your coming form.

    No. I see no facts from you, only accusations.

    Facts.
    1. The definition of communism.
    2. Federal income taxes apply to everyone equally.
    3. Being pro gun doesn’t make you a communist.
    4. A media who ignores you or is biased against you doesn’t make you a communist.
    5. You average Trump supporter doesn’t want to nationalize entire industries.
    6. What imperialism is.
    7. You can support a traditional family unit and not be a communist.

    Faust facts.
    1. The dictionary is wrong.
    2. If you share any common beliefs with Marx at all, you are a communist.

    #812934
    Christopher
    Christopher
    Participant

    Thank F~~~ im not working in an office with loads of deranged prima donna women anymore – you need an “EMOTIONAL” f~~~ing weather forecast for the office as well as the weather outside. Women and men should not be working together in many scenarios.

    On a contract a couple of years ago one woman was literally going BATS~~~ CRAZY in the office like it was the ‘end of the world’ cos Trump had won the election – I said calm down everything will be okay – she looked at me like she wanted to kill me.

    Feminism was funded by bankers/politicians to create more taxpayers. MGTOW IS FREEDOM https://archive.org/details/mgtowisfreedomblurayready

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