Why do we still talk so much about women?

[Anonymous 0]

The Missing Man wrote:

I don’t see the whole, meaning I don’t judge a single women based on the actions of a many women. To me every women is NAWALT until proven otherwise […]

I agree with you up to a point. Most women start out NAWALT, and they remain NAWALT up to the point where they become AWALT.

To spell it out:

Most women in the US today will say that they are a NAWALT and not a feminist. (Pollsters say that only 1 in 5 women claims to be a feminist.) Furthermore, just about every NAWALT will happily recognize and admit all the petty rip-offs that women engage in. If she thinks there’s a chance of getting married to you, any given NAWALT will condemn women even more than you and point out to you women’s rip-offs that you haven’t even seen.

Then, after you’ve been married for a while, the seven-year itch or whatever will kick in, and suddenly she’ll do an about-face and start using all those same tricks on “you”: Claiming victimhood, scouring your every word and action over the years for anything she can twist into a form of “abuse” in a courtroom, etc. And then suddenly that NAWALT that you married becomes an AWALT.

Why will she do such an about-face? The system allows it and even encourages it. The judicial and legislative systems set up incentives to encourage certain behaviors. And your NAWALT would be a fool not to use those behaviors and cash in on those incentives. The end result is that a lot of NAWALTs turn into AWALTs when push comes to shove. It shouldn’t happen, but it does.

If you want to read in detail about my own experiences (two marriages, two divorces), read the following post: /forums/topic/even-if-nawalt-marriage-is-off-the-table/#post-74131

But otherwise, I’ll just say the following. This is precisely the kind of issue that gets discusssed here: How and why NAWALTs turn into AWALTs, etc. And it’s more predictable than you seem to think. You perhaps don’t want to believe it or at least claim that you don’t want to read about it. But it merits discussion. Some of us have been taken to the cleaners, and we’ve seen it with our own eyes: NAWALTs turning into AWALTs. So we discuss it.

[JohnParticipant 114]

Hitman wrote:

MGTOW is about going your own way. .
The women who have used the laws and courtrooms to f~~~ some of us over need to be discussed. .in order to help other men.

That is a darn good reason.

[MgtowWaveParticipant 4352]

1 word.

Education.

Forget every thing you have been told about women since you first learned they existed.

And start learning how the world really works.
Mgtow is a mountain of knowlege.

frankly my dear i don't give a damn

[The Laughing ManParticipant 1020]

Keymaster wrote:

Complete garbage.

From the reviews, HA!

“It didn’t work on me.
ByD. Driscollon December 7, 2007
I was dating a woman who all of the sudden starting acting like she didn’t care, that she just wasn’t interested. I responded the way book said I would. The problem was that I actually cared about her, so when she seemed upset or uninterested I attempted to correct the situation. I guess this taught her a lesson – Act like a B*itch and get what you want. That didn’t last long at all. A week went by and She finally got around to calling me to inquire as to why I hadn’t called her. I told her politely and honestly that she seemed uninterested and I didn’t enjoy spending time with her anymore, she just seemed to have no respect for me and was acting rather childish. Another week went by and she called to confess this book (which led me here), and to apologize. She was sorry and wanted things to “go back to the way they were”. Too little, too late, too bad. She just proved herself to be selfish and manipulative (not to mention stupid for believing this crap). You can learn not to be selfish and manipulative, but you can’t cure stupid. I told her it was deceitful behavior on the same level as lying. That if there were a problem with our relationship and she wasn’t getting what she wanted, then she should have talked to me about it. We could have tried to work things out and if it was unworkable, we could try again or part ways civilly.

Treating a man like crap as a means of conning him into getting what you want, is exactly what kind of foundation for a serious relationship?

I told her that she succeeded in changing me, that was for sure. I went from someone who cared about her to someone that didn’t give a damn.

So in the spirit of making money by destroying relationships, I’ll offer some advice.

When the person you’re in a relationship with enjoys your company and attempts to spend time with you – Act uninterested or b*tch your way into doing something you know for a fact he isn’t going to enjoy. Since he cares about you and wants you to be happy he’ll do it, but keep doing this until he realizes that you really aren’t interested and really are a B*tch. That way you can buy my self-help book about dealing with loneliness and depression.

That’ll be $19.95.”

I thought what I'd do was I'd pretend I was one of those deaf-mutes...or should I?

[FullMetalExoParticipant 2383]

Deja vu…

I mostly read.

PS.

Keymaster wrote:

It’s like asking why people who live near mine fields talk so much about mines.

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[Anonymous 54]

Women have held there secrets for thousands of years.We discuss them here.Expose them for what they really are. I finnally have a place to openly discuss them with other Men with there eyes wide open. We warn younger guys about the perils of pussy.I enjoy seeing guys talk about it. Ive been waiting a very long time to have a reasonable discussen of wimens manipualative ways with out some on screaming mysoganist at me.Thats why.

[FrostByteParticipant 19005]

Anonymous wrote:

And then suddenly that NAWALT that you married becomes an AWALT.

Exactly. Ask her how she feels about screwing you over after her lawyer and friends coach her; now that she has a new vision of her future and you owe her because she let you in her vagina.

If you rescue a damsel in distress, all you will get is a distressed damsel.

[Anonymous 3]

I’ll admit that seeing a pattern of threads pop up makes visiting this site predictable, but the consistency helps me understand concepts and principles illustrated in real world examples.

I’m thankful for the redundant posts.

[FunInTheSunParticipant 8283]

The rage is still there. I think it’s going to take a while for the rage to disappear. It’s something that can’t be forced. I think the rage will naturally go away when I get sick of complaining about women.

I do discuss other topics, though. I like discussions about self-improvement and investments.

"I saw that there comes a point, in the defeat of any man of virtue, when his own consent is needed for evil to win-and that no manner of injury done to him by others can succeed if he chooses to withhold his consent. I saw that I could put an end to your outrages by pronouncing a single word in my mind. I pronounced it. The word was ‘No.’" (Atlas Shrugged)

[DarkThunder30Participant 201]

It’s more like we are laughing at their stupidity then talking about them.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Anonymous wrote:

MRAs say that MGTOW should be about self-improvement. PUAs say that MGTOW should be about teaching pumping and dumping.

Which only shows they don’t get it. MGTOW aren’t defined by what they do, or even what they should do.

MGTOW are defined by what they don’t do.

MGTOW do not get married.

MGTOW do not live with women.

MGTOW do not impregnate women.

MGTOW do not do anything that might allow our society to deny them their individual sovereignty.

Beyond that, it’s all up to you.

The Missing Man wrote:

I see no reason to go on talking about women despite what they have done. I feel that in addition to not seeing marriage worth the trouble, I see that talking about every single thing a women does to screw us over isn’t worth the trouble to talk about.

Not everyone reading this site has taken the red pill. Many who browse these forums are still on the fence. Why wouldn’t you want them to make as informed a decision as possible. That’s can’t happen if you leave them in the dark by ignoring the constant malevolence of women.

The Missing Man wrote:

I say this because I know nothing we will do will change the situation in our favor,

Going Your Own Way immediately changes your personal situation to your personal favor.

[FermatParticipant 3478]

That’s like asking why people at AA meetings talk about alcohol, when they’re trying to be sober. They should each just go there for an hour and talk about the weather, barbecue, their children, or what color their poop was last week. I mean, you wouldn’t want to talk about alcohol when they should BETTERING THEIR LIVES WITHOUT IT, RIGHT??!! Then they leave after they’re done with their idle chatter, and YAY look how much they’ve accomplished. I’m sure they will happily become sober if they repeat this long enough, wouldn’t you agree?

Dude, use your head. If bleeding men who are confused about where the hell they fit in this world because women are f~~~ing them over, come to this site crying for help, do we look at them and just say “Shhh, sshhhh….Now now sir, we don’t talk about girls around these parts. Were too busy “going our own way”. Why haven’t you gone yours yet. Huh? What do you mean your married to a bitch who took our kids? We don’t care. WERE GOING OUR OWN WAY! Didn’t you hear me the first time?” Yeah, see how many lives you’ll change for the better with that approach.

This site saved my life, and its saving others. Let the brothers preach.

I have discovered a truly remarkable list of reasons why women are not necessary for a happy life, but alas this margin is too small to contain it.

[Anonymous 54]

Fermat wrote:

That’s like asking why people at AA meetings talk about alcohol, when they’re trying to be sober. Let the brothers preach.

Hi I’m old sage ,and i like brunette pussy waaaay to much!

[JohnParticipant 114]

Fermat wrote:

If bleeding men who are confused about where the hell they fit in this world because women are f~~~ing them over, come to this site crying for help, do we look at them and just say “Shhh, sshhhh….Now now sir, we don’t talk about girls around these parts.
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This site saved my life, and its saving others. Let the brothers preach.

That’s a good point.

My intention when i started this thread was the idea that there is a thing like different stages in one’s path.

For instance, let’s (over) simplify the process and rip it down into 3 easy steps: 1. waking up, 2. red pill rage, 3. ?

Number 3 could be the stage of personal peace and/or productivity.

I was and still am wondering after reading all your thoughts if one can handle this like you would deal with feral animals.
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Sidecar wrote this:

sidecar wrote:

John wrote:

Just wondering why we still talk that much about women.

You might as well ask why Denali Park has so many warning signs about bears. The park rangers talk to you about bears. The same with the outfitters. All the brochures have warnings about bears. So do the maps. Bear bears bears. It’s like they have nothing better to do than warn you that the bears will eat you if they can.

But, well, they will.

So don’t feed the bears. Or buy them free drinks at a bar.

So, is it feasible to just treat it like that? And to just give the topic “women” only so much room in your head like you’d give dangerous animals?
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Perhaps it is easier to differentiate between the needs of the new guys and guys who already took the red pill.

I try to find the path to freedom, peace and to make the demons (e.g. women, debt, trauma, divorce rape, lost children) run.

[RennieParticipant]

Because they constitute such a huge portion of the problems with the world today. That you can’t discuss those problems without also mentioning their source.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Anonymous wrote:

Most women start out NAWALT, and they remain NAWALT up to the point where they become AWALT.

Then they weren’t ever actually NAWALT, were they?

They were just faking it.

John wrote:

So, is it feasible to just treat it like that? And to just give the topic “women” only so much room in your head like you’d give dangerous animals?

You’re kind of missing my point there. While it’s true that women are, by and large, feral (because they are allowed to be), that wasn’t really what I was getting at.

What I was trying to point out was that, like the bears in Denali, associating with women can be an extremely risky venture for men who are uninformed and ill prepared. That’s not so much due to female nature (though it certainly doesn’t help things) but because our society and its laws aids, abets, enables, encourages, and rewards women for taking advantage of men. Hideous advantage.

All while lying to men about feminine nature and the abetting and enabling etc.: “Not All Women Are Like That” and other such bulls~~~.

So just like the bears in Denali, you simply cannot give men enough warnings about dealing with them. Remember, not every man who browses this site has taken the red pill yet.

This is especially important since this is just about the only website that does so. Almost the entirety of the rest of the internet continues to foster and promote the NAWALT lie. Men die from believing that lie. Literally. As the rare exception that actually speaks the truth on the internet it is beholden on this site to counter the NAWALT lie with AWALT truths as much and as often as possible.

So in other words, it is the responsibility of the park rangers etc. in Denali to warn visitors at every opportunity about the dangers of bears lest some visitor by some miracle of ill fortune not get the message. So too it is the twofold responsibility of this website (and MGTOW in general) to education ignorant men about the benefits of Going Your Own Way as well as the dire peril that comes from Not Going Your Own Way.

And you cannot describe the perils of not Going Your Own Way without talking about women.

[Big BossParticipant 4496]

John wrote:

Just wondering why we still talk that much about women.

Because you heretics need the Imperium.

[UintatheriumParticipant 1861]

When I want to talk about something besides women, I usually use other sites.

This site is a place where men go when they want to rant about women. We might look like men who only rant about women but that is an illusion.

MGTOW: because you can (and should) say anything about a woman as long as she isn't within earshot

[aeragoanParticipant 1186]

The women are so easy to understand,when you use your logical brain instead of dick and heart..We talked about women manipulations,betrayals..and how they use false allegations to destroy mans self worth with the help of govt..

We are second class citizens in eyes of govt and women,so its better to beware of their strategies they want to use on us in near future and in past as well…

[FrostByteParticipant 19005]

???
It’s MGTOW site. That’s like asking Car and Driver why do you talk about cars and drivers.

If you rescue a damsel in distress, all you will get is a distressed damsel.

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