When you finally had your "Aha!" moment…….how let down did you feel?

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

My first “a-ha” moment came back in the twelfth grade when the girl I was dating pulled me into her room, took off her shirt and said “I want to have sex. Let’s do it.”

Knowing that neither of us had condoms or even would have used them if we had, I knew that if we started f~~~ing, it would just be a matter of time before she got pregnant… so I said no, I don’t think it’s a good idea.

And here was the a-ha… she said “Fine, if you won’t f~~~ me, I’ll find someone who will.” And she did. And he knocked her up within two months. And she kept the baby… and had two more… and her body went to s~~~… and they probably live in a trailer park now or died from meth.

The a-ha was that she clearly didn’t care about me… she just saw me as a guy… a vehicle to use to get what she really wanted which, apparently, was a baby and marriage. After that I never truly trusted a woman and I still don’t. Oh, I wanted to believe and maybe I still do want to believe, but I felt more triumphant than let down… like I’d seen through the bulls~~~ and knew the truth about life that would protect me from all the typical s~~~ that other men go through.

But I suppose that’s what wisdom is… innocence crushed by disappointment that can be used as a vaccine against permanent damage.

[Icarus9760Participant 33]

I didn’t have an “Aha” moment, but when my transformation was complete, over a 6 year journey, and finally exited the matrix, I got depressed. I started asking myself “Why was I studying so hard to get a very high-paying job?”, “Why did I turn my back on my dream job, that would pay less, or my dream life, working from home?”, “What was the point of trying so hard, if it turned out there was no unicorn?”, “Why was I trying to be financially attractive and well mannered for women?”, “What was the point when I would only be used for my money, by women, who have been through the c~~~ carousel, and would never get that submissive, beautiful, rational, intelligent, virgin girl?”. When I understood that they were all entitled and there was no such thing as an intelligent woman, I was crushed. I already knew, that religion, socialism, feminism, globalism and overpopulation were destroying the world, and how bad the marriage situation was and how vile relationships can be from observing my parents, friends and many others, but I had thought up until then there was actually someone, who saw the world the way I do and I would be able to enjoy whatever is left of it with her. When that was destroyed I started despising women. I already despised humanity and most people, so it wasn’t much of a change. I had already started listening to Tom Leykis, so that hatred didn’t last long at all and decided to only “pump and dump”.

Unicorns are mythical creatures, because they don't exist.

[OldBillParticipant]

Phantom wrote:

Nor can I even say I had an “aha” moment.
It was through a “perfect” track record of failed relationships in my life that finally shook & shocked me awake.

So, instead of a shock it more like long term erosion. You had to wait until all the other stuff washed away.

Stargazer wrote:

Knowing that neither of us had condoms or even would have used them if we had, I knew that if we started f~~~ing, it would just be a matter of time before she got pregnant… so I said no, I don’t think it’s a good idea.

Good grief, that happened to me too…

I didn’t date much in school, usually when I had no choice in the matter. That being said, I was reasonably popular, played sports, got good grades, and all the rest so girls didn’t avoid me. They just couldn’t figure me out and I preferred it that way.

It’s the mid-70s and the sexual revolution is white hot. No internet so pornography isn’t ubiquitous or a mouse click away, but everyone is getting it on, sex ed in schools is actually supported by the majority, orgy clubs are operating openly in Manhattan and other cities, and even child porn is legal(!!!) for a few years. It was crazy and almost impossible to explain to anyone who didn’t live through it.

Anyway, everyone in my middle school is losing their virginity, getting laid, and talking about it. I’m interested but interested enough to jump through the hoops the girls required. Then a neighbor girl in my class flatly tells me she wants me to f~~~ her because she’s “tired” of being a virgin and she knows I won’t brag about it.

I’m the son of a nurse so I ask if she has any condoms. She says no and goes on to say we won’t need them. She even trots out the old lie about not getting pregnant your first time. I refuse her offer. Getting condoms, despite the fact that the sexual revolution was boiling over, wasn’t an easy task for 14yo then. I didn’t have an older brother to “borrow” some from and she wasn’t interested in getting any herself.

She went off to find someone else and was apparently successful because she was pregnant within a year. Dumb bitch.

That same school year, I had the same offer from a different girl. She brought condoms with her so we went ahead. It wasn’t until a couple years later that I realized she must have talked with the first girl.

Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.

[GnosticParticipant 2491]

Beer wrote:

Gnostic wrote:

Then gleaning wisdom here, I realize I am free. I need not work so hard for a “family”. I can retire early. I don’t need to put up with women nagging. I have much more money and time for myself. The red pill rage subside and peace comes.

This is what made the red pill not so bitter for me. You stop and think its going to cost you 250k per kid, 250k for a house, and probably another 250k in extra s~~~ for the wife over the years at least…just random s~~~ you’d never buy as a single person she’d think she “needed.” So all in all…marriage and a couple kids is going to cost you a million dollars. Even if you make 100k, you only take home 70k after taxes…that is your net pay for 15 years devoted entirely to marriage/family, and when you add in a divorce it could get even more expensive!

Additionally you will have income freed up earlier in life to invest heavily at a younger age, and the earlier in life you get your nest egg growing, the longer it has to compound. This will knock years off how long you have to work as well. If you live frugal, get a decent job, and invest early, there is no reason you can’t retire 20-30 years before you are old enough to start collecting social security.

When I start thinking how awesome a woman would have to be to make me want to work away an extra 20-30 years of my life away I just laugh to myself…not gonna happen. For way less than 20-30 years wages I could afford a life time supply of maids and hookers that will do exactly what I ask of them and never complain, bitch, or nag, and if I just want companionship platonic friends and a dog will fill that role just fine.

Also being single you do not need so much money to retire as opposed to family life.

What do you think of overseas real estate? Is it viable?

There is no magic in MGTOW, just recognition of the truth and logical decision how to avoid dangers. The red pill is but the truth, it is no magical potion. Do not think in this modern world men have no longer have natural enemies, men are prey to women and government.

[Mr. CrowleyParticipant 384]

Gnostic wrote:

It was a period of depressing moments.

I cannot see the world the same again. Videos, music, books that I enjoy once becomes irritating.

+1. It’s such a loaded game out there, and the house ALWAYS wins. Now that my sadness has passed it’s nice to view this garbage objectively and not buy into it.

Punks- Not Feeling Lucky Since 1971

[sidecarParticipant 35851]

Mr. Crowley wrote:

It’s such a loaded game out there, and the house ALWAYS wins.

Only if you play the house’s game.

Let the house think you’re playing their same old game of commitment-two-up while they’re actually playing your game of no-relationship-for-you-after-all-razzle.

[DanceMyOwnWayParticipant 2097]

Mr. Crowley wrote:

Gnostic wrote:

It was a period of depressing moments.

I cannot see the world the same again. Videos, music, books that I enjoy once becomes irritating.

+1. It’s such a loaded game out there, and the house ALWAYS wins. Now that my sadness has passed it’s nice to view this garbage objectively and not buy into it.

I like the Eastwood avatar. Am watching the Beguiled at the moment. Great movies starring and directed by him.

sidecar wrote:

Mr. Crowley wrote:

It’s such a loaded game out there, and the house ALWAYS wins.

Only if you play the house’s game.

Let the house think you’re playing their same old game of commitment-two-up while they’re actually playing your game of no-relationship-for-you-after-all-razzle.

Agreed.

If you fall down 7 times, get up 8

[DwightDavidParticipant 859]

I had my “Aha!” moment when I started reading some of the posts here and realized I dodged a bullet in life. I always knew I couldn’t tolerate women. Never truly understood why, now I do. But I think I tolerate white knights even less.

[Catch And ReleaseParticipant 133]

I never really arrived at an “ah ha” moment, but an accumulation of events confirmed what I thought to be true, and in all honesty it was a bit of a relief more than anything.

I mostly grew up with a MGTOW philosophy, and I’m dead set against having kids in my life so women serve little purpose. And naturally, the one who tried convincing me I was wrong still tried leading me down a risky path and used sex as an entrapment method….and we all know that is part of their long term entrapment plan. Next step is a house and kids. So that is where the relief comes in, now I can go back to how I’ve always been. Where life is comfortable and I’m in control.

[MgtowWaveParticipant 4352]

Very.

Now and even still.

Wouldnt it be nice if the blue pill perspective was the more accurate one?

Wouldent it be nice to win a bagillion dollers in the lottery.

I dont even play.

I also stay indoors when there is an electrical storm.

Neo had a nice life in the Matrix before he took the Red Pill.

He wore nice suits.

Ate nice food.

Lived in a nice place.

But in reality he was naked in tank hooked up to all kinds of hoses.

If you want the friut of the tree you have to go out on a limb.

But you might not like what you see.

Perhaps some day science will find answers to the delimas that plauge the sexes.

The traditional systems that maintained and governed relations between the sexes was bound to fail with enough time and pressure.

My obligations end.

The obligations of men end.

Cry havoc if you want.

Will fall on deaf ears.

frankly my dear i don't give a damn

[PhantomParticipant 3328]

OldBill wrote:

You had to wait until all the other stuff washed away.

Sounds legit OldBill. Never looked at it quite like that before.

[hmskl’dParticipant 6414]

I felt like sitting down; then I craved a stuffed crust pizza and then I watched Casablanca because i always feel good at Rick’s Cafe Americana. I went hiking and camped overnight by a stream and then returned home and sat down again .. Aha; guess what, nothing changed .. I just realized that everything and everyone ws still out there. All the gals were still there doing their things .. all the favorite restaurants were there, my favorite stores were still there and all the cashiers that I chat with were there. My barber lady was still there; you know the one who always says she hates everything .. she hates summer, she hates parades, she hates dentists and she probably hates me. I also realized that every Caribbean island was still there as well as the beaches of Rio, the beautiful cities of Europe and Scandinavia; and if I ever needed to mingle I could travel to a thousand places and have all the fun I could muster up .. with one caveat; stay on your chosen path and be careful .. never sign anything. Right now, I’m happily Ghosting in absolute Monk-mode and spending my days in my work shop .. I don’t plan on changing anything.

[OldBillParticipant]

Phantom wrote:

Sounds legit OldBill. Never looked at it quite like that before.

Some of our brothers have been through a crucible, through a refiner’s fire which violently burns away the dross.

Others, like you and me, are the result of a slow inexorable process which erodes away all which is unneeded.

In both cases, that which is left is MGTOW.

Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.

[Long GoneParticipant 88]

I actually remember THE moment where it all “clicked”.

Early 2000’s . Info on the internet just beginning to form up into solid fact about womens behaviours, actions and attractions.

That slowly kindled away inside.

Them one day, after dealing with an attractive girl I knew .
I became so exasperated I blew up in anger. To my huge surprise she became ..entranced, thrilled, IDK.

Hmmm…
So I continue that harsh line and she becomes putty. WTF?

Hmmm…

So all Ive been told is lies.

And Mr. Nice Guy died a quick death.

[Anonymous 0]

My moment had hit me at a tipping point. I was betrayed, left alone to die in a society that did not give a s~~~ about me, except for a few good male friends who saw how bad things got. I had found out the woman I intended on marrying had lied to me. She was still married. I have to say it was when i started asking the why and hows, the red pill i had was a huge f~~~ing swallow. I almost ended my life… when you realize how fake and false everything you learned is. Its quite frightening like a freight train hitting you. Most men when they get hit don’t get back up. I don’t blame them honestly. This world is s~~~ and isn’t going to get better. Human nature is to survive, so the obviously answer is that, that is the default Biological mode of man. The question is beyond nature, what is the point? I ask myself this essentially every time I wake. Living in a feminist controlled gynocentric insane hell hole of a society is like balancing on the edge of a blade. Any step is your last. Knowing this and doing what I want and going my own way is how I deal with the world now. I don’t bother anyone and in return I don’t want to be bothered.

[PhantomParticipant 3328]

OldBill wrote:

Others, like you and me, are the result of a slow inexorable process which erodes away all which is unneeded.

In both cases, that which is left is MGTOW.

Poetic Justice as far as I am concerned…

Despised going through all the s~~~ while it was going on, but wouldn’t change a thing now, if it was the only way for me to awaken and snap out of the bulls~~~ coma I was in.

[~BSParticipant 3266]

I didn’t feel let down at all. You know the saying “it’s not you, it’s me”? Well that was my realization that “it’s not me, it’s YOU”. Wimmins are the ones that’s f~~~ed up, not me.

"He didn't marry until now, so he won't ever do it. Think about it, why would a man like him ever marry? It's too late to catch him. " ~some cunt

[MgtowWaveParticipant 4352]

The “Love chemicals”
Or just s~~~ that goes on in your brain when you are in love,having sex,having orgasm,falling in love or just undergoing infatuation can be goddammned addictive.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_basis_of_love

http://neuro.hms.harvard.edu/harvard-mahoney-neuroscience-institute/brain-newsletter/and-brain-series/love-and-brain

StarDusk spoke about this.

frankly my dear i don't give a damn

[StentorianParticipant 1690]

I am currently going through what seems like Red Pill Rage. I absorbed 2 months worth of videos from this site and youtube. Audio archives, etc.

It’s really an ongoing process of continually looking back. Seeing where I was totally blue pill. How I was used. How I was manipulated. Seeing this clearly. I then start to look for how I can prevent this in the future.

Self-evaluation. Reflecting. Then some rage may surface, at the realization that I was never loved or even remotely cared for, but rather sort looked after, as a dispenser of goods or utility. Ok. That’s fine. I can come to terms with that.

But it does produce a whole set of new boundaries and early detection systems. The same parasites cannot as easily pass through, post Red Pill.

MGTOW knowledge is life changing.

“He who takes an eel by the tail, or a woman at her word, soon finds he holds nothing.”

[MuglintarParticipant 1333]

More or less same story here, the twist: my wife’s lover is her former husband (i was “hubby” #2). Now they are living in the house i paid, teaching my son, what for a bad person his father is.
Sometimes it was tempting to look for a “Smith & Wesson solution” of the problem, then i stumbled across the first MGTOW blog.
And another one,
and another one…
I realized, all my life i have been under the influence of women. Single Mom, Sister, Gandma, Teacher, GFs, wife – All my life i have been told I wouln’t be good enough. I would have to “chase”, to work hard, to “deserve” the attention of a woman.

So the “Aha-Moment”, the red-pill, June 12th, 2013 (6 weeks after i moved a few hundered miles to pick up a new job after 3 weeks of un-employment), when that “lady” had her lawyer send me a letter with support demands.

"Him, who delights in solitude, is either a wild beast or a GOD!" - Aristotle (Aristot. Pol. 1.1253a) 1 Hom. Il. 9.63; the passage goes on: ἐστὶν ἐκεῖνος ι ὃς πολέμου ἔραται.

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