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Anonymous54Understood.
How do you know what another man NEEDS to hear?
Ask him?
And I would say thst is correct. When a suicidal man is so in pain he cannot think straight all he needs is to hear what HE needs to hear. Comfort and care.
The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape, finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. Marcus Aurelius
Disoiative Identity disorder.
Multiple personalitys.
Yes I know it but as DD.
The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape, finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. Marcus Aurelius
Anonymous54Havent lost one yet.
Knock on wood.Ask them questions.
Let them talk themselves out.
Anonymous54Disoiative Identity disorder.
Multiple personalitys.
Yes I know it but as DD.
Yes, thats it!
You got it Old Sage. That is how it’s done.
The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape, finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. Marcus Aurelius
Anonymous54You got it Old Sage. That is how it’s done.
One time Im getting ready for work.
My neibor ( iq 73. He told me)
Says hes gonna kill himself.
I got 10 f~~~ing minutes.hahah
I asked him how.
Pills.
I told him youll die asfixiating on your own vomit.
What els you got?
Cut my wrists.Leaves a huge mess.
What else yiu got.
Gun.
Might hit the kids next door.
What else you got?
Oh f~~~ it never mind.
Made it to work on time.
But now..Im just usede up…
You got it Old Sage. That is how it’s done.
One time Im getting ready for work.
My neibor ( iq 73. He told me)
Says hes gonna kill himself.
I got 10 f~~~ing minutes.hahah
I asked him how.
Pills.
I told him youll die asfixiating on your own vomit.
What els you got?
Cut my wrists.Leaves a huge mess.
What else yiu got.
Gun.
Might hit the kids next door.
What else you got?
Oh f~~~ it never mind.
Made it to work on time.
But now..Im just usede up…
It’s ok to be used up Old Sage.
You did a good thing there with your neighbour.The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape, finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. Marcus Aurelius
You got it Old Sage. That is how it’s done.
One time Im getting ready for work.
My neibor ( iq 73. He told me)
Says hes gonna kill himself.
I got 10 f~~~ing minutes.hahah
I asked him how.
Pills.
I told him youll die asfixiating on your own vomit.
What els you got?
Cut my wrists.Leaves a huge mess.
What else yiu got.
Gun.
Might hit the kids next door.
What else you got?
Oh f~~~ it never mind.
Made it to work on time.
But now..Im just usede up…
What if he had said, “subatomic particle disrupter”?
The evil in women’s hearts leaves them no moral bounds as to inhibit them from descending to the lowest levels of darkness to acquire their self entitled desires.
Anonymous54You got it Old Sage. That is how it’s done.
One time Im getting ready for work.
My neibor ( iq 73. He told me)
Says hes gonna kill himself.
I got 10 f~~~ing minutes.hahah
I asked him how.
Pills.
I told him youll die asfixiating on your own vomit.
What els you got?
Cut my wrists.Leaves a huge mess.
What else yiu got.
Gun.
Might hit the kids next door.
What else you got?
Oh f~~~ it never mind.
Made it to work on time.
But now..Im just usede up…
It’s ok to be used up Old Sage.
You did a good thing there with your neighbour.One of many. I dont have a MD shingle over my door. I dont know why they pick me.
I will refer all future patients to you Doc!!!! HahahIn this thread I am talking purely in the context of a potentially suicidal man and the consequences of getting wrong when we tell him what we think he needs to hear and thereby invalidate his feelings which may push him further into hoplessness and despair.
I’m not saying we should never tell a man what we think he needs to hear.
What I am saying is that we need to consider the consequence.And it often needs to be a direct ‘snap the f~~~ out of it’ smack round the head. I am agreeing with thst.
But as I said – tread gently with the suicidal. If you can’t be 100% sure that what you say won’t drive that man closer to suicide just air on the side of caution. That’s all I’m saying.
Since not every suicidal man announces he is suicidal, we can’t be “100% sure” that telling anyone to “snap the f~~~ out of it” won’t drive them closer to suicide, can we?
Anonymous54In this thread I am talking purely in the context of a potentially suicidal man and the consequences of getting wrong when we tell him what we think he needs to hear and thereby invalidate his feelings which may push him further into hoplessness and despair.
I’m not saying we should never tell a man what we think he needs to hear.
What I am saying is that we need to consider the consequence.And it often needs to be a direct ‘snap the f~~~ out of it’ smack round the head. I am agreeing with thst.
But as I said – tread gently with the suicidal. If you can’t be 100% sure that what you say won’t drive that man closer to suicide just air on the side of caution. That’s all I’m saying.
Since not every suicidal man announces he is suicidal, we can’t be “100% sure” that telling anyone to “snap the f~~~ out of it” won’t drive them closer to suicide, can we?
Its about risk management.
Docs point being, I beleive, is that to get it wrong would have permanent results.I want to thank DocDJ for bringing this topic up. I think it was very educational and may help one or more us do better to help a man that is thinking of harming himself. I have most certainly learned from this thread. Thanks, DocDJ.
You got it Old Sage. That is how it’s done.
One time Im getting ready for work.
My neibor ( iq 73. He told me)
Says hes gonna kill himself.
I got 10 f~~~ing minutes.hahah
I asked him how.
Pills.
I told him youll die asfixiating on your own vomit.
What els you got?
Cut my wrists.Leaves a huge mess.
What else yiu got.
Gun.
Might hit the kids next door.
What else you got?
Oh f~~~ it never mind.
Made it to work on time.
But now..Im just used up…
You got the used up part right. You can be used up emotionally and sometimes physically exhausted trying to help. If you succeed though it can be exhilarating and humbling at the same time. I have saved at least two peoples lives I am certain of. One was choking on something and the other was having a heart attack. I used the Heimlich maneuver on the choking one and helped the other get out and take his medication and administer the nitro glycerine and then called EMS. The one having a heart attack was in the bar in the restroom when I walked in and seen he was having problems. After I helped him I walked up to the bar and told the female bartender that a man is in the restroom having a heart attack and to call 911. Well, she didn’t believe me and refused to make the call. To this day I believe she doesn’t know just how close she came to feeling the full power of a man. I was very close to reaching over that bar and hit her as hard as I could. As I was a logger at that time and in pretty good shape, that would have been pretty hard. I think she seen the look on my face and changed her mind and called. (there was pure anger on turning into rage on my face). The guy went to the hospital and a few days later I saw him at the bar again and coerced him into buying me a beer which he happily did.
Women's brains and vagina have one thing in common. There is nothing in there until a man puts something in there.
You can’t say that a man who rejects all suggestions is trying to manipulate while a man who is open to suggestions isn’t trying to manipulate.
That’s you attaching your values and beliefs about what makes a man a manipulator.
A man who takes no suggestion may merely reject every suggestion because he cannot see things you suggest for himself.
That does not automatically make him manipulative.
What you say is true but that does not mean you shouldn’t try.
Women's brains and vagina have one thing in common. There is nothing in there until a man puts something in there.
Anonymous54You got it Old Sage. That is how it’s done.
One time Im getting ready for work.
My neibor ( iq 73. He told me)
Says hes gonna kill himself.
I got 10 f~~~ing minutes.hahah
I asked him how.
Pills.
I told him youll die asfixiating on your own vomit.
What els you got?
Cut my wrists.Leaves a huge mess.
What else yiu got.
Gun.
Might hit the kids next door.
What else you got?
Oh f~~~ it never mind.
Made it to work on time.
But now..Im just usede up…
What if he had said, “subatomic particle disrupter”?
Refer him to MGtower!!!
You can’t say that a man who rejects all suggestions is trying to manipulate while a man who is open to suggestions isn’t trying to manipulate.
That’s you attaching your values and beliefs about what makes a man a manipulator.
A man who takes no suggestion may merely reject every suggestion because he cannot see things you suggest for himself.
That does not automatically make him manipulative.
What you say is true but that does not mean you shouldn’t try.
Try. But tread gentle. Not be judgemental.
The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape, finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. Marcus Aurelius
I want to thank DocDJ for bringing this topic up. I think it was very educational and may help one or more us do better to help a man that is thinking of harming himself. I have most certainly learned from this thread. Thanks, DocDJ.
You got it Old Sage. That is how it’s done.
One time Im getting ready for work.
My neibor ( iq 73. He told me)
Says hes gonna kill himself.
I got 10 f~~~ing minutes.hahah
I asked him how.
Pills.
I told him youll die asfixiating on your own vomit.
What els you got?
Cut my wrists.Leaves a huge mess.
What else yiu got.
Gun.
Might hit the kids next door.
What else you got?
Oh f~~~ it never mind.
Made it to work on time.
But now..Im just used up…
You got the used up part right. You can be used up emotionally and sometimes physically exhausted trying to help. If you succeed though it can be exhilarating and humbling at the same time. I have saved at least two peoples lives I am certain of. One was choking on something and the other was having a heart attack. I used the Heimlich maneuver on the choking one and helped the other get out and take his medication and administer the nitro glycerine and then called EMS. The one having a heart attack was in the bar in the restroom when I walked in and seen he was having problems. After I helped him I walked up to the bar and told the female bartender that a man is in the restroom having a heart attack and to call 911. Well, she didn’t believe me and refused to make the call. To this day I believe she doesn’t know just how close she came to feeling the full power of a man. I was very close to reaching over that bar and hit her as hard as I could. As I was a logger at that time and in pretty good shape, that would have been pretty hard. I think she seen the look on my face and changed her mind and called. (there was pure anger on turning into rage on my face). The guy went to the hospital and a few days later I saw him at the bar again and coerced him into buying me a beer which he happily did.
No problem at all.
The main bones of my work is to establish if someone if going to harm themselves or others.
Suicide violence homicide. I can’t say more than that here but I am expected to understand every nut and bolt and evidence my rationale.
I lost my father to suicide and know patients who have done it. I know patients who have multiple homicides under their belt and the violence – well that’s everyday stuff for many.
My eyes have been opened about what it means to be a human being for better or worse.
The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape, finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. Marcus Aurelius
In this thread I am talking purely in the context of a potentially suicidal man and the consequences of getting wrong when we tell him what we think he needs to hear and thereby invalidate his feelings which may push him further into hoplessness and despair.
I’m not saying we should never tell a man what we think he needs to hear.
What I am saying is that we need to consider the consequence.And it often needs to be a direct ‘snap the f~~~ out of it’ smack round the head. I am agreeing with thst.
But as I said – tread gently with the suicidal. If you can’t be 100% sure that what you say won’t drive that man closer to suicide just air on the side of caution. That’s all I’m saying.
Since not every suicidal man announces he is suicidal, we can’t be “100% sure” that telling anyone to “snap the f~~~ out of it” won’t drive them closer to suicide, can we?
I’m talking about men who sound as if they are rightly or wrongly expressing suicical ideation and intent.
The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape, finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. Marcus Aurelius
Thanks SES QUI no est and Macho – and all others who contributed to this thread.
Its an honour and a privilege to be able to help other brothers.
any time doc
I worked over a year for a man in Oklahoma building a drystack stone mansion and my avatar is part of a triple window arch from that project.
I told the man God chose me to do this job for you, and I would do it for nothing but what I need to survive.
He asked why I felt that way.
because it was the most beautiful stone I have ever worked with and had to have the job on my resume.
In Feb 2017 I was feeling blessed because I had left Texas with less than $100 some hand tools, camping gear and a bicycle (moterized) and had $1200 cash plus a check for $400 in My fathers name Winston McKinney.
It was a sunday so I felt I would visit a local church and thank Jesus for hosting the spirit of my father who was self evidently working in his own Kingdom of heaven on earth. (My God was and is a very funny man). So at the point I pull my Fathers Identity document a pictured Id Universal veterans card and claim him to be my heavenly father all hell broke loose in the church for the preacher says Thats not your heavenly father thats your earthly father and I can tell we will not agree and you have to leave. He escorts me out of the church.
I dont make it 4 blocks before a local municipal police officer signals he has an emergency and I pull over. He asks “who does this truck belong to?” I reply “I work for the lord it belongs to god”. He arrest me puts me in the city jail and writes enough citations to eat up all $1200 and leaves me with nothing but the check in my heavenly fathers name. I should not have said I would do the job for nothing lol. Guess my old man was eavesdropping because I have only the truck to show for everything I have done in 2016 and 2017.
You can tell if someone is just being manipulative or really been through a painful experience only by watching to verify their story.
I was arrested a second time two weeks later and my Texas license was taken and not returned, but let out the same day. then a county policeman puts me in the county jail with me having only my fathers identity on me. At this time I decide I have nothing to loose by waiting them out. All charges are civil misdemeanors including a third driving under suspension even though theY relieved me of a Texas license that would show valid.At video court I speak in my fathers spirit claiming my son cannot appear in person because his person cannot be properly Identified without his personal identity document. The Judge asks “who are you?” I reply “Winston McKinney” he ask when what my birth date was I give my fathers date of birth. He deemed me mentally incompetent and revokes my bail pending mental evaluation at the Oklahoma forensic center. So no bonding out of jail for me.
I sit back and start writing. awaiting transfer to the mental health facility. while waiting I was taken to the city court in chains to face the first set of charges and without producing a suspended license I am found guilty. I asked the officer if the licence was suspended he replied it was valid.
after a little over 3 months passes I am transfered to Vanita Oklahoma.
The purpose of this was to verify I was mentally competent to participate in a trial. So I am tested extensively as what the duties are of everyone who would be in the courtroom. They find out I am a self taught law scholar and have studied psychology also.
I ace every test and was referred to the psychiatrist, who would make the decision as to my competency.He was on vacation another month passes.
Finally I am in a room with the psychologist assigned to me and the psychiatrist back from vacation.They quiz me asking the usual questions about suicidal thoughts and the like. they asked “Do you hear voices that other people don’t hear?” At this moment The most logical man I have ever known came alive in spirit and took over answering for me and replied “I cannot testify as to what other people hear.” They looked at each other and smiled. Then asked “do you hear voices of people who are not here?” My reply was the Question “what if I do?” They looked a bit nervous like they did not like me asking them questions, but the psychologist answered that it could indicate I was incompetent and suffering from a psychosis or neurosis. I said “this is the heavenly spirit of Winston Mckinney and I died in 1999 but I know you can hear my voice.” after a pause checking their reaction I added “If you say I am not here you would be admitting to hearing the voice of a man who is not here.” At this moment they both could not help themselves and laughed. I had witnessed my heavenly father at work. No one can outsmart your god if he insist on logic and reason.
I was found competent mentally and shipped back to county jail to await trial. The judge then drops the driving under suspension charge after learning the city cop testified the license was valid. I knew they were scared of the outcome if my case went to trial. I also knew if it was found they were guilty of regulating my private right of travel all the other charges would be deemed fruit of a poison tree as all evidence would have been found while they were doing an unlawful act.
clean hands doctrine applies. This is why our criminally run injustice system does everything in its power to discourage any and everyone from taking their cases to trial.My sentence was 1 year if found guilty on all remaining charges and I had already been incarcerated 7 months of 2017. My choice was to sit it out and wait for trial or sign off and get out with 18 mo probation and $9000 incarceration fees for the time they took care of me. I prayed and got my answer. I signed off and got out then filed papers challenging the jurisdiction of the court and withdrew my plea and did some escape and evasion. This is still pending if I go back. I will face it after shaming the system in the spirit of my father and ensuring all my evidence is published and in print.
You may ask what all this has to do with your topic.
I say a lot.I am hurting financially at Christmas time but not spiritually and in no way feeling victimized even though I was. I have no free will as the spirit of my father is real to me. No one else is required to believe the way I do. No one else is required to assist and I do not expect it as I have always worked for what I need. I have been able to laugh for the first time in years. I did it all to pursue my happiness and claim my fathers kingdom exist unless anyone on earth has evidence otherwise. signed by the faithful son
harpomason
this is what I interpret the meaning of the whole truth so help me god is..My chosen god will help confirm my truth now as well as anytime I am in a courtroom setting for the rest of my life.THE TRUTH IS WHAT MY SON HARPOMASON SAYS IT IS
UNLESS YOU HAVE EVIDENCE OTHERWISE AND THIS IS THE
HOLY SPIRIT OF HIS HEAVENLY FATHER SAYING THAT THOSE
WHO ARGUE ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE TRUTH REVEAL
THEMSELVES AS FOOLS. BECAUSE THE TRUTH WILL NEVER
ARGUE BACK, NOR WILL IT CHANGE JUST BECAUSE YOU
REFUSED TO ACCEPT IT AND BELIEVE IT. THE TRUTH WILL
JUST STAND THEIR SELF EVIDENT WHILE THEY ARE LOOKING
FOOLISH. WE ALL ARE ALLOWED TO LAUGH AT THE FOOLISH.
SIGNED BY HARPOMASON’S HEAVENLY FATHER AND
SELF EVIDENT CREATOR AND CHOSEN GOD
WINSTON MCKINNEYHA! HA! HA! HA! HA!
I was bound to be misunderstood, and I laugh at those who misunderstand me. Kind mockery at the well intentioned, but unfettered cruelty towards those would be prison guards of my creative possibilities. This so as to learn as much from misunderstanding as from understanding. Taking pleasure in worthy opponents and making language fluid and flowing like a river yet pointed and precise as a dagger. Contradicts the socialistic purpose of language and makes for a wonderful linguistic dance, A verbal martial art with constant parries that hone the weapon that is the two edged sword of my mouth.
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