When a brother stumbles – reach out a hand.

[DocParticipant]

This past few days a few members of our blessed group have been having a difficult time. I refuse to name who because this thread is not about them but about us and the way we respond to MGTOW who appear to struggle.

The term pity party has been used. I actually found that term quite funny but I do not laugh at the undertone of the suffering such a term is designed for.

Different members of our group have different ways of coping with their pain. For some that pain is still unbearable while for others it’s fading and peace is returning. Most of us are somewhere in between.

I have paid attention these past hours/days as to how we tend to respond to those among us who are crying out in pain and we are disparate in our replies.

Some of us show compassion and empathy. Some show a tougher side and suggest the suffering find their inner strength and toughen up.

Problem with that is that we are defining what it means to be a man. Which I thought we didn’t do. We berate females for telling us what it means to be a man but equally we shouldn’t be telling that to each other. A dick and b~~~~ is all we need Right???

Telling those who among us that they the things they say and do are somehow not manly and maybe even weak is to push that man further down the dark path he feels he is on.
If we can’t offer words of support or wisdom we do better to leave that man be and let others lift him. Carry him even. Set him down when his heart is stronger and ready for the fight.

I appreciate that this place is not for a pity party but sometimes it becomes just that. So be it. Just like religious thread -if they are argumentative just avoid.

Don’t forget we are public facing and to be there come what may for our brothers shows the world we are rock solid. Even when we disagree in principle we still carry our brothers.

Christmas is painful for almost all of us. For some it is intolerable.
Emotional pain is worse than physical pain so if a man cries out and needs to say how much pain he feels – especially if the greatest pain they have experienced is around Christmas past we should carry him. You wouldn’t leave him on a battle field.
We ARE on a battle field. One of the will and the mind.

MGTOW – as we know is a place of learning. A place where we understand how society and feminism hurt us. But it is also a place where we learn how to deal with that pain.

If we are hurting we have something to teach others here. So let every man experts himself and his pain his way.

If you disagree with his way move onto the next thread and leave the man in as much peace that The Good Lord will afford him.

I respect you all. Trust me I do. But this had to be said. I lost my dad three year come February. Irreversible loss.

I don’t want to lose a single one of you whether you are a trusted friend or argumentative asshole.

Respect to the blessed MGTOW.

The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape, finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. Marcus Aurelius

[ZarathustraParticipant 2246]

Thank you. Again you have displayed your sensitivity and intelligence. Some of us have been red pilled for so long we forget that, to some of us, the pain is still new and we are still learning. It can be especially tough at this time of year.

Tough love is sometimes called for but only when all avenues of compassion and decency have been tried.

[DocParticipant]

Just looking out for each and everyone of my brothers here.

The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape, finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. Marcus Aurelius

[GargamelSpectator 29101]

I am completely with you.

I do not enjoy or join in a “pity party”.

We are here to help or I would have plenty to do something else with my time.

I try my best to save him, no matter who he is. If it fails, well I can’t help it but then I see the positive side that maybe a lurker/reader might find our help useful and that makes it worthwhile.

In July of 2018, this honey pot forum was sold out to an unidentified NPC sock puppet and troll organization. Most independent thinkers and writers migrated to other MGTOW forums as a result of the never-ending infighting and deliberate trouble starting caused by members who were given "carte blanche" by the admin to do whatever they want. Before my departure, I only left a few thousand cat pics here to comfort and ridicule the feminist owners who now run this place. Their background agenda is to make MGTOW look like a club of losers the public eye. And during the course of 2019, they actually managed to destroy almost all other MGTOW venues as well. Here is the truth about "theindependentman.org" aka "TIM" which was created as an extended workbench to further divide the community. When you register, they install a spyware Zombie cookie on your browser that does all kinds of things the user does not know of: http://www.filedropper.com/essay-on-the-removal-of-malware-cookies-used-by-tim

[DocParticipant]

Gargamel wrote:

I am completely with you.

then I see the positive side that maybe a lurker/reader might find our help useful and that makes it worthwhile.

Precisely.
It’s about the light we shine into the darkness.

The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape, finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. Marcus Aurelius

[Anonymous 42]

Doc wrote:

If we can’t offer words of support or wisdom we do better to leave that man be and let others lift him. Carry him even.

Even Christ himself got some help carrying his cross! I think that’s a good example!

[DocParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

DocDJ wrote:

If we can’t offer words of support or wisdom we do better to leave that man be and let others lift him. Carry him even.

Even Christ himself got some help carrying his cross! I think that’s a good example!

A perfect example Tower. Respect due.

The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape, finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. Marcus Aurelius

[Anonymous 11]

@DocDJ

[GargamelSpectator 29101]

Traditionally, help hotlines do overtime during the Christmas holidays.

All of the family pain comes crawling back from the subconscious mind and tortures us in full awareness.

Our sick society has turned the festival of love into the festival of family drama, complete madness and unfulfilled expectations.

The “festival of after hours” until you drop dead and almost fall asleep behind the wheel of your service car…

The festival of c~~~s going nuts if something is not fixed by Christmas time. In my 20 years out there, I hated Christmas time and saw how f~~~ed up average people are living the “festive insanity”…

I was part of the solution providers they needed to have “everything in order” on Christmas Eve or the “world will fall out of orbit” and they would never buy from me again.

To avoid Armageddon in my customer’s homes and save the family peace by restoring the TV, I had to be rolling until late evening on every Christmas Eve…

And then sleep for 2 days (!!!) – sometimes I woke up on the evening of 25th, ate something and went right back to sleep.

I didn’t mind, I always comforted myself with having the ability to “make my own Christmas” anytime of the year. And I could buy my presents throughout the year.

Christmas time is insanity and the wealthy “housec~~~s” are the worst stress-makers.

In July of 2018, this honey pot forum was sold out to an unidentified NPC sock puppet and troll organization. Most independent thinkers and writers migrated to other MGTOW forums as a result of the never-ending infighting and deliberate trouble starting caused by members who were given "carte blanche" by the admin to do whatever they want. Before my departure, I only left a few thousand cat pics here to comfort and ridicule the feminist owners who now run this place. Their background agenda is to make MGTOW look like a club of losers the public eye. And during the course of 2019, they actually managed to destroy almost all other MGTOW venues as well. Here is the truth about "theindependentman.org" aka "TIM" which was created as an extended workbench to further divide the community. When you register, they install a spyware Zombie cookie on your browser that does all kinds of things the user does not know of: http://www.filedropper.com/essay-on-the-removal-of-malware-cookies-used-by-tim

[surfdude12Participant 4103]

Doc wrote:

Problem with that is that we are defining what it means to be a man. Which I thought we didn’t do. We berate females for telling us what it means to be a man but equally we shouldn’t be telling that to each other. A dick and b~~~~ is all we need Right???

You’re confusing:

(A) the feminist “man up” which is a way to impose their will on a man and shame him to do what they want

and

(B) one man refusing to feed another man’s self-destructive behavior/thinking

[DocParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

@docdj

Right back at ya C-Pig.

The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape, finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. Marcus Aurelius

[It’sallbsParticipant]

Some people want to wallow though, they languish, they almost enjoy the suffering and pain.

People in that state do need some kind of kick up the arse to snap them out of it otherwise they can’t be helped.

What happens is they reject every peace of advice or suggestion given without tryiive them an action plan with steps they must achieve each day, and week-small at first after awhile increase the size of the steps.

If tehy wont try any of teh steps and never complete any of them there is no more yo can do.

http://www.leavemeansleave.eu

[DocParticipant]

surfdude12 wrote:

DocDJ wrote:

Problem with that is that we are defining what it means to be a man. Which I thought we didn’t do. We berate females for telling us what it means to be a man but equally we shouldn’t be telling that to each other. A dick and b~~~~ is all we need Right???

You’re confusing:

(A) the feminist “man up” which is a way to impose their will on a man and shame him to do what they want

and

(B) one man refusing to feed another man’s self-destructive behavior/thinking

Thwarting the potential self destructive behavior often has the opposite effect.

Recognising that a man may self destruct and finding the words that demonstrate an understanding of his pain and finding a way to bring him back is different to a ‘snap out of it’ way of behaving toward him.
The latter sends out the message that his suffering is not valid.

The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape, finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. Marcus Aurelius

[DocParticipant]

It’sallbs wrote:

Some people want to wallow though, they languish, they almost enjoy the suffering and pain.

People in that state do need some kind of kick up the arse to snap them out of it otherwise they can’t be helped.

What happens is they reject every peace of advice or suggestion given without tryiive them an action plan with steps they must achieve each day, and week-small at first after awhile increase the size of the steps.

If tehy wont try any of teh steps and never complete any of them there is no more yo can do.

I heard what you are saying. We think ‘a kick up the arse’ yes I agree.

But it’s how it’s said.
Look at Old Bills link to stoicism. That is a metaphorical kick up the arse.

So the kick is fine. Is how it’s delivered.
Delicately and precisely -with refined words that do not invalidate the man.

Yes -misery is a comfortable bedfellow and yes some men appear comfoertable in their misery. Bit their misery is real all the same even is they appear to seek some comfort in it.

To pull them out takes precision.

The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape, finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. Marcus Aurelius

[GargamelSpectator 29101]

In business, I was always aware of my “social responsibilities”.

TV was addictive for so many people that they were so hooked on it until they couldn’t go one day without it.

If the TV went out the wife or the husband (or both) would become so aggressive that they got into terrible fights when there was no distraction by watching the tube.

Christmas without TV would have gotten people killed.

So, by fixing these things in real time, supplying rent-free lending TV-sets for the duration of the repair process, I saved many lives and families from fighting.

People can’t stand each other and clash badly when the TV doesn’t distract them…

One of my ongoing red pills – I saw how “happy” the average marriage is and never wanted to have that in my own life. I felt sorry for my customers and was actually pretty happy with making money from them and seeing them smile with relief at the same time. I never charged extra for Christmas duty. And it was hardly “my stuff” that broke during bad weather. It was the s~~~ty work of my competitors who did not seal the plugs of the satellite LNBs or ground cabling against water. I then came the rescue and secured new customers that way.

“Oh, Mr. Gargamel, you saved my life. My wife goes off the rails when she would have to spend Christmas without her TV”

Sometimes we put thawing salt and cat sand on the roof so we could get out there and fix the satellite dish…

In July of 2018, this honey pot forum was sold out to an unidentified NPC sock puppet and troll organization. Most independent thinkers and writers migrated to other MGTOW forums as a result of the never-ending infighting and deliberate trouble starting caused by members who were given "carte blanche" by the admin to do whatever they want. Before my departure, I only left a few thousand cat pics here to comfort and ridicule the feminist owners who now run this place. Their background agenda is to make MGTOW look like a club of losers the public eye. And during the course of 2019, they actually managed to destroy almost all other MGTOW venues as well. Here is the truth about "theindependentman.org" aka "TIM" which was created as an extended workbench to further divide the community. When you register, they install a spyware Zombie cookie on your browser that does all kinds of things the user does not know of: http://www.filedropper.com/essay-on-the-removal-of-malware-cookies-used-by-tim

[DocParticipant]

Gargamel wrote:

I was always aware of my social responsibilities.

TV was addictive for so many people that they were so hooked on it until they couldn’t go one day without it.

If the TV went out the wife or the husband (or both) would become so aggressive that they got into terrible fights when there was no distraction by watching the tube.

So, by fixing these things in real time, supplying rent-free lending TV-sets for the duration of the repair process, I saved many lives and families from fighting.

People can’t stand each other and clash badly when the TV doesn’t distract them…

One of my ongoing red pills – I saw how “happy” the average marriage is and never wanted to have that in my own life. I felt sorry for my customers and was actually pretty happy with making money from them and seeing them smile with relief at the same time. I never charged extra for Christmas duty. And it was hardly “my stuff” that broke during bad weather. It was the s~~~ty work of my competitors who did not seal the plugs of the satellite LNBs or ground cabling against water. I then came the rescue and secured new customers that way.

“Oh, Mr. Gargamel, you saved my life. My wife goes off the rails when she would have to spend Christmas without her TV”

Sometimes we put thawing salt and cat sand on the roof so we could get out there and fix the satellite dish…

That’s an interesting way of seeeing it.

The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape, finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. Marcus Aurelius

[Anonymous 12]

I am not a psychologist, nor a psychiatrist. i believe none of us are. (?)
Therefor my Toolbox is limited to observing and thinking out loud – beyond which all i can advise is to get help.

No matter what we advise each other, It is the Brother in need who will to read, interpret and choose his course of action.
Mgtow are so focussed on their own struggle to get away from manipulation, hellbent to be free of the plantation.
Some of us swallow a Red pill so big that we almost choke to death.
But once free – the question is often enough “what now?” “how do i heal?”

Just like in the matrix, it is easier to unplug when young.
The older you are, the more unpredictable the outcome will be.
Waking up is rough.

And figuring out how to love oneself for ones positive values and skills, after being judged and nagged on for so long is a long, complex task.

I believe that being alone in a Battle is the worst.
Few of us are physically connected, and it is an awesome advantage to have.

but as with everything else in life: there is no guaranteed success.

[DocParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

I am not a psychologist, i believe none of us are. (?)

I am.

The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape, finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. Marcus Aurelius

[Anonymous 54]

It’sallbs wrote:

Some people want to wallow though, they languish, they almost enjoy the suffering and pain.

Guy I know has a saying.
Its wrong to take away peoples pain.

[Anonymous 54]

Doc wrote:

g-mow wrote:

I am not a psychologist, i believe none of us are. (?)

I am.

Well this place ought to keep you busy!!! Hahah

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