What Were They Like Before?

[FrostByteParticipant 19005]

Tuneout wrote:

I seriously don’t know how

some couples manage 10-25-50+ yrs staying together.

Most just fake it. Like Mrs. Robinson.

If you rescue a damsel in distress, all you will get is a distressed damsel.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Tuneout wrote:

It’s funny how women and manginas tell us that maybe your just choosing the wrong type everytime but tell that to some chick that continually seems to pick abusive assholes and somehow it’s not her fault.

True that.

It’s even funnier, when you get to tell them:

“I didn’t pick the wrong ones, I successfully escaped their noose.”.

When it comes to women, avoiding the wrong one actually PAYS BETTER than meeting the right one.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Mr. ManParticipant 2916]

experienced wrote:

It was all my fault, I picked the wrong bitch, so sorry, I promise to not make that mistake again. I will choose the right lady this time around!”

Oh, if only had a dollar for every time someone’s said that to me!

[DorkShitParticipant 4353]

It is the same as if you said that back in the day the devil was nicer.

They are what they have always been. The only difference is societal laws that impose a thing called force.

Peace brothers

[Buller100Participant 2189]

Awakened wrote:

Two people starting a relationship are like two twigs growing from the same branch. At first, both twigs are connected at the base of growth, but over time the twigs usually grow in different directions. With people, sometimes growing in different directions can be manageable and even complementary, but often times it just leads to two people that become strangers to one another without any similar interests, desires, outlooks, beliefs, goals etc. One day you wake up and realize that you’re living with a stranger, and if you were to meet them today you wouldn’t have enough in common or mutual attraction to make it through a cup of coffee together.

Also, over time some people change more then others. It seems to be the case with many stories that I read on MGTOW.com, mine included, that the women in the relationship has changed much more then the man in the LTR or marriage. Unfortunately, often these changes do not benefit the relationship in a positive manner. Often times, the man hasn’t changed all that much over time because he’s been to busy being a provider, and is focused on the their partners needs and wants and maybe that of children. The relationship can be dramatically altered when the proverbial s~~~ hits the fan leading to the man taking a red pill and becoming awakened. Now, it’s the man’s opportunity to change and grow which will not benefit the resident old lady.

If the couple has made it this far, some opt for divorce, but for a myriad of reasons (IE: kids, money, career, etc.) others choose to stick it out and remain unhappily married until these reasons may be resolved. Getting married can be very easy to accomplish, but getting divorced is usually a complex matter.

Spot that’s what happened to me, we just grew apart I enjoyed learning she would not even keep up with news.

In the end we had nothing to talk about , unless it was some women’s talk.

[narwhalParticipant]

Excellent question. Thinking about it really though, I hate the answer I have to give. She was the same as she’s always been.

It wasn’t that she changed from good to bad, it’s that the circumstances changed. If I had used my head, or if I known her better before I committed, I could have seen it coming. How she behaved and the choices she made were dependent on where we were in the relationship, but she was always the same person.

Just as an example when were dating and hanging out at her place, she would put her son to bed and let him scream his head off. She would not go comfort him, she would stay with me. It was important to her that I stay, that I believed I mattered to her and wouldn’t come by her son. She didn’t have that commitment yet, so she needed me to feel that. Once we were married, that immediately stopped, as what she needed was to feel like she was a good mommy. She went from letting him scream to falling asleep with him most nights. When I confronted her about this, she respond by challenging my manhood.

So did she change? No. I imagine she’d do the same things today in the same circumstances. The mistake I made was failing to extrapolate her behavior to the new circumstances.

Ok. Then do it.

[Buller100Participant 2189]

I have a freind a teacher 35 years well respected, he married a girl divorce, then married again a women with 3 kids, she never wanted kids so made him get a vasectomy. 1 year later runs off with a professer whose folks have money, she has a kid right away.

We talk I asked him would he marry again he said ‘ if I met the right one ” So I asked how will you know the right one ? He smiled a bit embarrassed and said I don’t know.

He has been programmed , very nice man but red pill it’s all he can see.

[SamsquanchParticipant 4226]

Sooner or later they all show their true nature. With some it only took a month, with others it took over two years. They don’t ever seem to be content with they man they’re with so they manipulate him to change his behavior. Usually it starts with arguments over nothing, these wear the man down to the point where he doesn’t bother arguing anymore. End result was all the same though. AWALT

[Buller100Participant 2189]

They were not as bad as they never had the options, 100 years ago no cars well not for working people the settled a guess, a women with kids was seen as second hand now the have morons orbiting on social media.

But in the past a man had to ask the father for the womens hand , the father would say “What are your prospects ‘ meaning how much money.

Engagement ring for girl, nothing for man i have since heard it should be 3 months wages.

After a year an eternity ring , men are always giving women money , since time began.

With PC Western laws a man will lose in every marriage, poor sex no sex, don’t want sex, holidays with a person you grow apart from.

Why do so many men have time heavy hobbies ?

Marriage does not work in this day and age for men, it’s the best investment a women can make but the worst a man can.

[Anonymous 54]

Buller100 wrote:

We talk I asked him would he marry again he said ‘ if I met the right one

Oh i want to smack him ,like i wish someone had smacked me.There is NO RIGHT ONE because THERE ALL THE F~~~ING SAME. Different hair,taste yes,but when it comes to being entitled to mens resorces they are all identical.Actually there hair is all the same too. Now its that F~~~ING STUPID LOOKING bun they wear. Makes ther little stupid heads look too small and makes there land whale ass seem even bigger. If thats even f~~~ing possable!!

[RorschachParticipant 2083]

Fermat wrote:

I keep hearing that men like us just need to CHOOSE better women. As if we intentionally choose women that we know will destroy us.

I don’t like that either. I don’t like how that implies that because some woman took a gigantic s~~~ on your life and well being that somehow it is all your fault. Furthermore does anyone know where this secret cache of “better women” is located? …. *crickets*…. *jeopardy music*…. didn’t think so. Just more projective bulls~~~.

The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout "save us!"....... and i'll look down and whisper "No."

[GrumpyParticipant]

About the same as now, they just had the decency to hide it.
Personally I gave up looking for “a better type of woman” and the “right woman” a while ago.
So far I’ve had better luck with lottery tickets.

There was a time in my life when I gave a fuck. Now you have to pay ME for it

[MGTOWmonkey aka No More Fucks To GiveParticipant 6635]

I heard there are some nice women,different from western culture floating in the middle of the Red Sea,anyone want to join this last quest?

Never lose sight of what brought you here.

[Buller100Participant 2189]

MGTOWmonkey aka No More Fucks To Give wrote:

I heard there are some nice women,different from western culture floating in the middle of the Red Sea,anyone want to join this last quest?

I would love to join you, but me and Harrison Ford are off to get the Holly Grail the Ark of the Cevenenats it’s way easier to find 🙂

[FermatParticipant 3478]

Good responses guys. To clarify, I’m asking about the soecific girl YOU yourself dated/married what she was like before things went to s~~~. But feel free to talk about whatever else will add to this thread. Everyone has something to learn.

I have discovered a truly remarkable list of reasons why women are not necessary for a happy life, but alas this margin is too small to contain it.

[Dashing Young DissidentSpectator]

My last ex, and last ever c~~~ i will lever associate with in my lifetime…She presented herself as a really ‘caring’, loving, oh we have so much in common! easy going woman, who then begged me to move in with her and would never shut the f~~~ up about it. Told me I was the best thing in the world. I never believed anything she said but she did SEEM like a relatively nice, stable woman, was 10 years younger than my first ex, not fat (yet) who seemed like she wouldn’t give me any drama…

Ha..ha…haaaaaa. What a f~~~ing p~~~ take. This reptilian monster removed her skin suit a month after moving into her s~~~ty apartment. I was f~~~ing horrified at the level of madness she possessed and hid from me.. She turned into this vile, nagging, temper tantrum throwing miserable piece of s~~~, and it drove me to taking benzo’s and whiskey. Not to mention her unhinged mental little c~~~ of a daughter. They were both a mans worst f~~~ing nightmare let me tell you.

Every morning she woke up in a foul mood, effing and blinding at her kid, ranting in my direction and deliberately picking something up of mine and telling me it was ‘in the way’, then dumping it by my feet. My computer desk and the items on it were constantly f~~~ing tampered with to the point where her f~~~ing brat would steal my snacks and other item i had on there, and her c~~~ mothers answer to my anger about it was “put it all away then she wont touch it”. No c~~~, teach your f~~~ing brat some god damn respect!!!!!! Boundaries!

In the end, she was a such a miserable, low life f~~~ing c~~~ to be around I bailed and never came back. I have many more stories about this bitch but hell, i dont really want to remind myself of the hell she put me through!

[CatsPawParticipant 423]

I actually knew both my exes were bad options.
There where red flags I could see a mile away, but to be honest, I didnt care. I always though: If it ends, I move on.

Both left me, I moved on. Its not always “easy” but you get it done. In terms of actually “staying” with one?
Well, not getting married unless she has more to lose, so not getting married.
If I ever find a girl that we might consider a long term relationship,
1. We each have our own home.
2. We dont spend more time together than we want to.
3. We dont tell each other what to do. (I know it sounds impossible, but it actually quite easy).
4. We dont rank the relationship compared to things like jobs, hobbies, etc. If I play too much computer games and you want to spend more time with me, start playing computer games. The one that wants something works for it.
5. If you get fat, Ill find a hot one to f~~~. It does not matter what that makes me, thats what will happen.

You can guess with this kinda list (not complete ofc), not many girls will be interested in me. Well, same as girls s~~~ test you, I bulls~~~ filter them.

At least that way I wont waste too much time on pointless girls.

[Faith+1Participant 866]

^^^^With all those rules you really have to think “What is point” Lol

[experiencedParticipant]

Samsquanch wrote:

Sooner or later they all show their true nature. With some it only took a month, with others it took over two years. They don’t ever seem to be content with they man they’re with so they manipulate him to change his behavior. Usually it starts with arguments over nothing, these wear the man down to the point where he doesn’t bother arguing anymore. End result was all the same though. AWALT

The solution in days of old was long term dating without sex.
The programmed,” Oh, all real men want sex right away.” with no mention of real men’s brains and self control is patently lacking.
IMO it’s more likely that they will screw IMMEDIATELY If they think that’ll set the hook while they prepare more hooks. In this regard, a woman’s strategy on her own, resembles a pack of hyenas.

"It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."

[NeroParticipant 1466]

Fermat wrote:

To all you guys who had marriages and LTRs with women, what were they like BEFORE things went south? Yeah I’m sure they were great in the sack and had nice bodies, but what was it that kept you in it for so long before things went to s~~~? A lot you guys sound like you had above average decent women for a while, but they had low shelf life.

BEFORE:
– One of the most beautiful women I have ever seen in my life. The most beautiful girl I have ever dated.
– 125 pounds at 5’7″ (smoking body)
– Hardworking and driven. Had worked her whole life and had two degrees, one advanced.
– Humble, caring, loving, provided great sex.
– Romantic and passionate.
– Great kisser.
– Smart women who I felt enhanced me intellectually. Taught me things I didn’t know.
– Seemed mentally stable. No WTF moments or s~~~ tests.
– Tidy. I never saw anything of hers that said “messy.”
– Hated that I played video games and liked them.
– Supportive of me.
– Liked my family.

AFTER:
– Let herself go to the height of about 60-65 extra pounds. This was well after the children. Just cellulite extra fat everywhere.
– Starting wearing this fat suit called Spanks that made me cringe on sight.
– Embarrassed to be seen with her, oftentimes. Frumpy clothes, and she wouldn’t even wear her war paint after awhile, unless at work.
– Would shut down and cry at the slightest bit of criticism or go full rage mode.
– Did not really know how to cook or clean and never really tried to. Didn’t do any real chores besides laundry (but not mine).
– Messy as f~~~. Piles of her s~~~ everywhere. Hair everywhere. Dirty f~~~ing sink and shower from all her makeup goo and whatnot.
– Hated that I played video games and liked them.
– Good worker at her job but lazy as f~~~ at home. Did nothing but watch TV and sleep.
– Had no real hobbies or interests or things that made her grow. Only hobby was f~~~ing shopping and that god damned TV.
– Brought a lot of her family drama into our lives like toxins.
– Went from being a good mom to an absentee parent and more of a friend role.
– Would not kiss me for 15 years. Claimed claustrophobia, which was bulls~~~.
– Hated anything I did that was fun that wasn’t her.
– Tried to restrict my behaviors, friends, and interests.
– Hated all my family members for one reason or another, except my stepmother.
– Hated all my friends.
– Spent way more than her portion of income on clothes and other useless s~~~, especially expensive make up that didn’t do anything about her looking fat as f~~~.
– Went through the I want an upgrade ring phase, because girls at work upgraded their husbands and got bigger and more expensive rings (I declined)
– We lived on two separate floors of the house and went out maybe once every two weeks once the kids could be home alone. It was fun but not enough.
– Became an ultra liberal, feminist, and social justice warrior.
– Started a daily beer drinking habit on top of her s~~~ty eating habits and being near land whale fat.
– Did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING for me or to help me ever.
– Sex dried up to a very poor frequency after kids. Sex was then frequent but pretty mechanical in nature.
– Undermined me repeatedly as a parent, yet had no standard or goals for one kid but double standard for the other.

That’s most of it. Hope this helps. I’m actually glad I did this. It helps me remember why I’m divorcing her.

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