What Were They Like Before?

[FermatParticipant 3478]

I keep hearing that men like us just need to CHOOSE better women. As if we intentionally choose women that we know will destroy us. I don’t believe this. It doesn’t match with my observations or what you guys describe in your stories. To all you guys who had marriages and LTRs with women, what were they like BEFORE things went south? Yeah I’m sure they were great in the sack and had nice bodies, but what was it that kept you in it for so long before things went to s~~~? A lot you guys sound like you had above average decent women for a while, but they had low shelf life.

I’ll start. My ex was a very smart and driven person at the start (and still is), but overtime, had increasing expectations of me that caused me anxiety. I wasn’t a loser, but she made me feel like one. She often caused division in my family because they didn’t actually approve of her and shamed my friendship network. I bailed, and the rest is history.

I have discovered a truly remarkable list of reasons why women are not necessary for a happy life, but alas this margin is too small to contain it.

[experiencedParticipant]

Great post Fermat.
To whoever told you that[sarcasm to follow] “Oh s~~~, I had no idea, Now that I know this, I will quit being a MGTOW and get back to the plantation. It was all my fault, I picked the wrong bitch, so sorry, I promise to not make that mistake again. I will choose the right lady this time around!”

Fermat wrote:

I keep hearing that men like us just need to CHOOSE better women.

"It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."

[Anonymous 54]

I tried to allways pick women that where different from each other,to make sure i wasnt repeating a pattern. But guess what Awalt!… its never enough.As much as you can do is never f~~~ing enough. Tall ,short,bloned brunette,genious ,morons,lazy driven,all the f~~~ing same.

[Anonymous 42]

Fermat wrote:

I keep hearing that men like us just need to CHOOSE better women.

Fermat, I’m a welder among other things, it’s been over a hundred and fifty years since the steel mills of womanhood produced any worthwhile womansteel. Every woman today is a consortium of barnacle scaling and flaking rust.

You’ll burn through all your welding rod trying to smelt into the rust looking for some core steel, but there isn’t any, they’re rusted through and through.

Therefore I must say I’m not wasting my electricity, time and material trying to do what I already know can’t be done, I keep myself covered in MGTOW cosmoline to prevent the salty winds of feminism from rusting my hull in the first place. They’re not much better than low grade iron ore and can’t be used in the construction of your life.

[GeraldParticipant 3628]

Fermat wrote:

I keep hearing that men like us just need to CHOOSE better women. As if we intentionally choose women that we know will destroy us. I don’t believe this. It doesn’t match with my observations or what you guys describe in your stories. To all you guys who had marriages and LTRs with women, what were they like BEFORE things went south? Yeah I’m sure they were great in the sack and had nice bodies, but what was it that kept you in it for so long before things went to s~~~? A lot you guys sound like you had above average decent women for a while, but they had low shelf life.

I’ll start. My ex was a very smart and driven person at the start (and still is), but overtime, had increasing expectations of me that caused me anxiety. I wasn’t a loser, but she made me feel like one. She often caused division in my family because they didn’t actually approve of her and shamed my friendship network. I bailed, and the rest is history.

Exactly what she is now. It was I who was different. And I regret that.

No longer can we walk away, we must run. Remove the motive power.

[The Laughing ManParticipant 1020]

With a not so pleasant up bringing women troubles though tough at times weren’t the end of the world to me. Combined with a never give up/finish what you start attitude and you end up fairly patient.

Last ex ramped up the s~~~ tests as her chameleon act started to crack. Went to therapy with her a couple times. Didn’t take long till it was clear my reason for being there was so she could have the therapist hold her hand while she cried about wanting a short break. And by break she means so she could try and monkey branch to a coworker of hers.

She was the typical slut who f~~~ed like a prude and being a few months away from surgery I had had enough. I said I don’t do breaks or get back togethers, if a break is what she wants I was walking away. She called my bluff so I said goodbye, walked out of the therapists office and went home to detail the car.

She tried to reconnect by mailing a holiday card with a picture of her and her dog. I burned them and mailed it back. She tried again but this time at my work since she had no other contact info. Told her to p~~~ off and walked right by.

I thought what I'd do was I'd pretend I was one of those deaf-mutes...or should I?

[AwakenedParticipant 35202]

Two people starting a relationship are like two twigs growing from the same branch. At first, both twigs are connected at the base of growth, but over time the twigs usually grow in different directions. With people, sometimes growing in different directions can be manageable and even complementary, but often times it just leads to two people that become strangers to one another without any similar interests, desires, outlooks, beliefs, goals etc. One day you wake up and realize that you’re living with a stranger, and if you were to meet them today you wouldn’t have enough in common or mutual attraction to make it through a cup of coffee together.

Also, over time some people change more then others. It seems to be the case with many stories that I read on MGTOW.com, mine included, that the women in the relationship has changed much more then the man in the LTR or marriage. Unfortunately, often these changes do not benefit the relationship in a positive manner. Often times, the man hasn’t changed all that much over time because he’s been to busy being a provider, and is focused on the their partners needs and wants and maybe that of children. The relationship can be dramatically altered when the proverbial s~~~ hits the fan leading to the man taking a red pill and becoming awakened. Now, it’s the man’s opportunity to change and grow which will not benefit the resident old lady.

If the couple has made it this far, some opt for divorce, but for a myriad of reasons (IE: kids, money, career, etc.) others choose to stick it out and remain unhappily married until these reasons may be resolved. Getting married can be very easy to accomplish, but getting divorced is usually a complex matter.

In a World of Justin Beibers Be a Johnny Cash

[Anonymous 0]

I have been divorced raped once and widowed once. The first time I lost everything and the second time I inherited everything. So my experience comes from dating for the last 10 years and I can say this: women today of whatever age are all pchyco-babes. And I am happier riding my Spyder than her. End of discussion.

[TaxGuyParticipant]

Fermat wrote:

I’ll start. My ex was a very smart and driven person at the start (and still is), but overtime, had increasing expectations of me that caused me anxiety. I wasn’t a loser, but she made me feel like one. She often caused division in my family because they didn’t actually approve of her and shamed my friendship network. I bailed, and the rest is history.

I married her older sister / aunt / mom, depending on age. When we met she made more money than I did. Was never going to be the stay-at-home mom because it ruins your career and she didn’t want to be dependent on me. Fast forward to the first kid, and then it’s “why even have a child if you’re just going to have someone else raise them.” She thought it would be easier to stay at home. It wasn’t, FOR HER. She’s not the type. Then it became my fault because she has a vagina and can clearly never be wrong.

Before her I dated a girl for four years that I would have married. She was a much nicer person, a little less driven but we really never fought. She cheated and then expected me to just forgive her and stay together.

Those were the two longest relationships I’ve had. In the end I was just never quite good enough for them and had to monkey branch to another branch. As the branch, it’s nice to just sit here without a monkey trying to break my back.

Order the good wine

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Fermat wrote:

I keep hearing that men like us just need to CHOOSE better women.

Yeah it’s “shaming tactic” like any other.

Very recently, I broke it down how women flip over time from “any woman would be lucky to have you” …. to “maybe you’re just picking the wrong woman”…. to “you’re a misogynist”.
/forums/topic/a-woman-would-be-lucky-to-have-you/#post-294381

Fermat wrote:

I don’t believe this.

Because it’s crap.

Here’s box of hand grenades. Not all of them will explode in your face. BOOM!!! OOPS!! He must have picked the wrong one. He should have chosen better!!

Nonsense.

He didn’t “pick the wrong one”. He was encouraged to “keep looking” and “keep trying”, but he’s still choosing from a box of grenades.

•••••

When a woman behaves like a bitch, it’s not because “you picked her wrong”. It’s because she behaved like a bitch. And when men observe similar repeat behavior , what do we hear over and over again?

• “You’re just looking for women in all the wrong places”
• “It’s just the type of women you’re going for”.
• “Maybe if you didn’t date bimbos”.

EXAMPLE

“You’re just meeting women in all the wrong places.”

Look at how that’s worded. Read it again. It’s such bulls~~~. That one really p~~~ed me off. But I finally got a response to it and I use whenever possible:

“51% of people are women. That means even if you DON”T want to meet a woman you are more likely to meet a woman. They are everywhere, like trashcans”.

The point is women are everywhere. You’re not meeting women in all the wrong places. They are not “less likely to explode” based on where you meet them.

Don’t forget, women TEACH EACH OTHER to be bitches.
So how can they say “you’re just picking them wrong”?

?

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

What Were They Like Before?

Tom Leykis did a great example when he outlined it this way.

First it’s:

“Aw he’s SO CUTE!!. I came into his place, and dishes were in the sink, shirt was on the chair, socks were on the floor and he used his exercise bike as a coat hanger! He was so CUTE!!! Like a helpless little puppy. I went in there and I HELPED him. He just needed a woman’s touch.”

Then they get a key, and it’s:

“Dishes in the sink, Shirts on the chair, socks on the floor and you use your exercise bike as a coat hanger. WHAT AM I….. YOUR SLLLAAAAAVE????”

First she was charmed by it and nothing has changed , but she went from “loving woman’s touch” to “your oppressed slave” in no time flat.

It sure as s~~~ not “where you’re meeting them”.

Women are so arrogant, they think they can “change a man”.
When thy realize THEY CAN’T, they blame HIM.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[TaxGuyParticipant]

Keymaster wrote:

• “You’re just looking for women in all the wrong places”

So, what are you saying? EVERY woman that has EVER been in a bar is a piece of s~~~ to be avoided like the plague? Ok, great. Just to be clear honey, you’ve been in a bar before right?

Maybe I should meet one in a church? OK, she’s a virgin and never been married before right? Because if she believes in God and is that committed then she’s clearly never stood before God and promised to love, honor and cherish someone until they died. Because she looks pretty alive to me. Oh wait, she lied to God? Oh………….

So where exactly should I be going to meet all these great gals???????

Order the good wine

[Anonymous 42]

Keymaster wrote:

First it’s:

[female]“Aw he’s SO CUTE!!. I came into his place, and dishes were in the sink, he shirt was on the chair, socks on the floor and he used his exercise bike as a coat hanger! It was so CUTE!!! Like a helpless little puppy. I went in there and I HELPED him. He just needed a woman’s touch.”

Then they get a key, and it’s:

[female]“Dishes in the sink, Shirts on the chair, socks on the floor and you use your exercise bike as a coat hanger. WHAT AM I.. YOUR SLLLAAAVVVVEEEE????”

Not around here! let them in and it’s cum stains on your sheets from Chad, sink full of dishes from watching TV all day and f~~~ing Chad while you fund this preposterous enterprise!

FKN GARBAGE-CAN GIRLS! Forgot to mention the bloody rags in the toilet!

[KeymasterKeymaster]

TaxGuy wrote:

So, what are you saying? EVERY woman that has EVER been in a bar is a piece of s~~~ to be avoided like the plague? Ok, great. Just to be clear honey, you’ve been in a bar before right?

TaxGuy wrote:

So where exactly should I be going to meet all these great gals??

It’s a deflection, and nothing else.

In my travels, I realized … western/Americanized women don’t hook you up with other women or take care of their men.

You know when you’re going through a dry spell, in some countries women are TERRIFIC about that….. they will say “let me introduce you to my girlfriend. She’s great. She’ll take good care of you”. They actually want to get you laid and set you up with great girls! They want you to have a good time and set you up even with their own girlfriends!

But North American women will NEVER do that. They will never “help” you or give you good guidance. They will never make it easier for a man. Only more difficult.

They will only mislead you.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Anonymous 42]

I have NEVER had an American woman turn me on to ANYTHING GOOD! Their sick perverted forms of entertainment include totally f~~~ing with a man’s head!

S~~~ test specialists, every last damn one of them!

KM is right, when I was in Amsterdam women were looking to PICK ME UP!

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Anonymous wrote:

KM is right, when I was in Amsterdam women were looking to PICK ME UP!

That’s a great example. I lived their myself — for nearly 2 years. And if it didn’t work out with her, she would introduce you to her girlfriend.

You’ll never see that here. If she can’t have you, NOBODY can. That’s their attitude. She’ll backstab and shame the f~~~ out of you.

North American women have truly failed their men on a massive scale.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Anonymous 42]

When I got back to America I felt a suffocation I had never felt before! Seriously! I know now it’s because I had never breathed fresh air where the smokestacks of feminism haven’t been polluting the air for 1.5 centuries!

It’s as noticeable as plunging your head in a bucket of s~~~!

[hmskl’dParticipant 6406]

I don’t know much about Ltr’s and when an individual relationship goes from honeymoon phase to nightmare .. I’ll be first to admit. I’ve often thought about it and always wondered why and what sparks it .. so thanks for this, and I can learn. Have a great day!

[FrostByteParticipant 19005]

How woman change. Even Jessica Rabbit is an AWALT

If you rescue a damsel in distress, all you will get is a distressed damsel.

[TuneoutParticipant]

It’s funny how women and manginas tell us that maybe

your just choosing the wrong type everytime but tell

that to some chick that continually seems to pick

abusive assholes and somehow it’s not her fault.

That being said I too have found foreign women more

‘accomadating’ could have been the uniform but never

had anything LT. The LTR’s I’ve had we’ve always seemed

to grow apart eventually,I seriously don’t know how

some couples manage 10-25-50+ yrs staying together.

Lifes a bitch,but you don't have to marry one!

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