What one question would you ask?

[Anonymous 24]

Anonymous wrote:

Joe Bauers wrote:

So guys, for those who want a hand signal, what did we agree on? I like the MGTOW logo finger like the one given to Pete in the grocery store. The only downside is it looks like a gun and can also be a loser signal… Hmmm… Anyone got any other ideas or should we roll with that? I will likely make a thread down the road discussing the idea.

For those of you who don’t like the idea of a hand signal, you are more than welcome to go your own way and not do it out of fear of expressing yourself in public or whatever reason you have for not liking this idea.

YOU SPEEAK ABOUT FEAR, AS THOUGHH IT WERE SOMETHINGYOU YOU WERE IN CONTROL OF.
Who are you? What do ye bring us? “Hand signals?”. What about a hand-to-hand battle in the grass? Ahh the smell of the grass. You bunch of traitor rat pussy coward mother-F~~~ers, not you fellows, those other Mother-F~~~ers.

Uh, never said it was something I was in control of, just something I don’t let stop me from time to time.

Not sure where the rest of this comes from… I bring you nothing you don’t want, and I care not what you do with what I say here.

You doing alright man?

[GnosticParticipant 2491]

Stentorian wrote:

No Gnostic,

It is not an oxymoron.

As I said. The world does not give a s~~~ about men.

Women do not give a s~~~ about men.

Feminists and the corporations run society, team up, to f~~~ men.

Men go their own way. A noble effort. A correct response to the apathy of the world towards men.

And yet the one’s here who have awakened, feel no obligation to help their fellow men, who are still struggling and asleep?

So the MGTOW men, who know the truth. Are also giving up on blue pill men, by not making any efforts to reach out to them, or to spread or make MGTOW more visible?

This seems honorable to you?

I respect that each person has the right to their own choice. No one can be forced to care, or to help another. It is an individual choice. It is not like I do not understand this.

I do. But I also see that it is inherently an act of selfishness.

Just think on how your life would have been, had you found MGTOW related knowledge sooner, earlier in your life?

I am merely stating that in an apathetic world, more apathy is not the solution. Helping our fellow men, in some way. Trying to spread the word about MGTOW. This is far more noble, and contains integrity, rather than an attitude of to each his own. And who ever finds it great. Who ever does not, f~~~ them and let them suffer or die.

This is my point.

We can agree, or agree to disagree.

In an apathetic world, the answer can not lie in further apathy. 2 wrongs, do not make a right. And never will. Regardless of where we stand, or what we believe.

For the easier one, it is a Oxymoron to say you respect someone choice and then say there is no honor in it. How do you respect something that have no honor?

Now for the harder part, the path your choose has been has been tried by MRA for half a decade. Did it work?
And anyone can then claim they are MGTOW and claim ridiculous stuff to smear MGTOW name if we start activist in the public. At least now we can claim no MGTOW would activist like MRA and give feminist no ammo.

You cannot beat women and feminist in their advertisement for MGTOW. Because you are a man you will not be given attention / platform / loudspeaker like the women do. And the women broadcast their misandry easily. How can you compete with the “Kill all men”, “Male tears”, “Manspreading” in spreading awareness?

All you have to do is stay single, look happy with a lot of time and money to spend on yourself. Contrast that with married men unhappiness and people will start to realize something is wrong.

There is no magic in MGTOW, just recognition of the truth and logical decision how to avoid dangers. The red pill is but the truth, it is no magical potion. Do not think in this modern world men have no longer have natural enemies, men are prey to women and government.

[Big BossParticipant 4496]

I always recommend giving the left ring finger almost like the middle finger.

[StentorianParticipant 1690]

Smitty the Great One wrote:

I really understand that you want to help other men, this is noble, but sadly you’re going about it the way that will least likely work.Our best “recruiting” work is done by everyday women, society at large.

Smitty thanks for the constructive feedback.

I think perhaps you and others here may be right. I can see what you mean, by feminists doing all the heavy lifting, and women in general driving men to find MGTOW.

My personal ideology has always been one where if I can help another. I try. Here with MGTOW, there is a kind of cure to what ails most of man kind. But it is not really advertised or sent out to the blue pillers. With the understanding that feminists, women, this system and life itself will bring men to MGTOW. It may do just that.

I myself, found it randomly. And ironically, through a youtube channel run by a women who is against feminism. She is anti-feminist, and in seeing a couple of her vids, my homepage for youtube brought in more of her vids. I then noticed this acronym MGTOW, and the rest is history.

“He who takes an eel by the tail, or a woman at her word, soon finds he holds nothing.”

[StentorianParticipant 1690]

Gnostic wrote:

For the easier one, it is a Oxymoron to say you respect someone choice and then say there is no honor in it. How do you respect something that have no honor?

Now for the harder part, the path your choose has been has been tried by MRA for half a decade. Did it work?
And anyone can then claim they are MGTOW and claim ridiculous stuff to smear MGTOW name if we start activist in the public. At least now we can claim no MGTOW would activist like MRA and give feminist no ammo.

You cannot beat women and feminist in their advertisement for MGTOW. Because you are a man you will not be given attention / platform / loudspeaker like the women do. And the women broadcast their misandry easily. How can you compete with the “Kill all men”, “Male tears”, “Manspreading” in spreading awareness?

All you have to do is stay single, look happy with a lot of time and money to spend on yourself. Contrast that with married men unhappiness and people will start to realize something is wrong.

I respect people’s right to free choice. But some of the choices people make, are not necessarily honorable.

I respect MGTOW’s position on not wanting to advertise or reach out too loudly to the blue pill world. But I myself do not think it is necessarily the best position to take.

It does not matter, because with people like MGTOW101 and Sandman, TFM, MGTOW videos are being pumped out quite heavily.

My personal belief, my core belief, is that we ought to help those who are still in the blue pill world. Not making any efforts to reach out to them. Is not exactly what I would call honorable.

Having knowledge and wisdom which can help alleviate suffering, and not sharing it, or making an active effort to broadcast, to send out the word. To me, this is not honorable.

But I respect the position that MGTOW takes on the matter, because it is a philosophy, and in the grand scheme of things, perhaps the game is being played in the best way conceivable. I also respect the fact that I may not know what is best, or have sufficient experience.

I personally, believe that when a group finds something which can benefit thousands more. That some effort should be made to share this relief with others.

But that’s just my point of view. And you guys have been here longer, and likely have seen things play out where this approach has proven itself to be the best.

I will just have to take it one day at a time, and do the best I can to learn. The rest will reveal itself over time, as I gain more experience.

I do appreciate and to recognize that you and others here, are trying to help me to take a wider look at things. I will endeavor to do just that. Perhaps a wider perspective is needed here.

“He who takes an eel by the tail, or a woman at her word, soon finds he holds nothing.”

[OldBillParticipant]

Stentorian wrote:

Well, Old Bill if the shoe fits…?

It doesn’t, but seeing as I’m a recovering pedant, I’ll leave it at that.

Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.

[StentorianParticipant 1690]

OldBill wrote:

It doesn’t, but seeing as I’m a recovering pedant, I’ll leave it at that.

I had to look up pedant. Well played sir. Well played.

Old Bill, I don’t know what to say. My foots in my mouth.

Can I buy you a cold one? First rounds on me.

“He who takes an eel by the tail, or a woman at her word, soon finds he holds nothing.”

[Man SoloParticipant 111]

Anonymous wrote:

So guys, for those who want a hand signal, what did we agree on? I like the MGTOW logo finger like the one given to Pete in the grocery store. The only downside is it looks like a gun and can also be a loser signal… Hmmm… Anyone got any other ideas or should we roll with that? I will likely make a thread down the road discussing the idea.

I like the idea of the ‘L’ sign Pete got in the grocery store. I remember watching the fight scenes in Big Trouble In Little China in the 80’s and exchanging the sign with friends who also identified with the film for many years afterwards. It is a cool effortless sign – not like the Vulcan one from Star Trek, which only piano players can do. The sign can used by those who want to use it (I understand that hand signs aren’t everyone’s cup of tea, but I already identify with this one) and Pete’s story of how he was flashed the first MGTOW hand sign in a grocery store can go down in MGTOW folklore. Perfik!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEgwX04jUeY

"Marriage is a good way to meet someone you hate and then buy them a house'

[Anonymous 11]

Anonymous wrote:

Joe Bauers wrote:

So guys, for those who want a hand signal, what did we agree on? I like the MGTOW logo finger like the one given to Pete in the grocery store. The only downside is it looks like a gun and can also be a loser signal… Hmmm… Anyone got any other ideas or should we roll with that? I will likely make a thread down the road discussing the idea.

For those of you who don’t like the idea of a hand signal, you are more than welcome to go your own way and not do it out of fear of expressing yourself in public or whatever reason you have for not liking this idea.

YOU SPEEAK ABOUT FEAR, AS THOUGHH IT WERE SOMETHINGYOU YOU WERE IN CONTROL OF.
Who are you? What do ye bring us? “Hand signals?”. What about a hand-to-hand battle in the grass? Ahh the smell of the grass. You bunch of traitor rat pussy coward mother-F~~~ers, not you fellows, those other Mother-F~~~ers.

Once again I create a post when I’m not sober and it turns into a cussing rant against the government, I might have to see a psybrainatrist about this, at least this time I was alert enough to clarify “not you fellows”. Please ignore this previous ranting post, I didn’t do it.

[PhantomParticipant 3328]

OldBill wrote:

It doesn’t, but seeing as I’m a recovering pedant, I’ll leave it at that.

Greetings OldBill… I am also recovering from being ignorant of things that elude my understanding. Whether it be out of wrong teaching, uninformed, lack of education…or all the above.

Still find myself at times, thinking about what you were trying to get me to learn and understand, for what it’s worth.

Cheers & would still have a with ya brother!

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