Trollers – MGTOW counter attack.

[Cú ChulainnParticipant 3910]

^^^^^
Straw man, basic logic is being ignored.

[Anonymous 42]

Cú Chulainn wrote:

Straw man, basic bitch logic is being ignored.

^^^^That say allot nothing.

[Anonymous 1]

Anonymous wrote:

Joller, he wasn’t banned, he was put in the spectator box for berating and verbally degrading another member viciously and with disgusting perverted profanity unbecoming of anything near a gentleman. It was gross to even read! Real nasty, and over nothing!

I didn’t read everything he posted, but from what I saw, he had a very satirical and provocative approach. That being said, I do believe he was genuine in his reasons for being here, and he did say some good stuff.

I admit, the way he conducted himself at times was poor and was eventually his downfall.

KM did suggest a warning, but that wasn’t well received by other members.

I dunno, I could be wrong – I get a lot of things wrong, but something about him being banned didn’t sit quite right with me.

The reason I say banned or banning is because it’s obvious what I’m talking about.

[HermitParticipant]

Carnage wrote:

Do not engage.

Just walk away, you see a troll thread, don’t say s~~~, let them f~~~ themselves over.

I doesn’t matter what happens I saw the light already, I’m a free men with a plan, imposible to shame or beat to submission.

MGTOW is my Kung fu, and my Kung fu is strong.

Even with this place down I will keep going my own way, if the whole planet goes MGTOW might be dangerous but not my problem, if all the planet goes back the plantation NO MY PROBLEM.

Full NO F~~~S GIVEN warp 9 engage.

That’s what I say. Just like with women, the best defense is to just ignore them.

The evil in women’s hearts leaves them no moral bounds as to inhibit them from descending to the lowest levels of darkness to acquire their self entitled desires.

[Cú ChulainnParticipant 3910]

Ok, let me break it down for you:

Person One:
“Good luck defining “mischief”. Many could argue this thread is “mischief” as it advocates banning people for arbitrary reasons, including what they say outside the MGTOW forum.”

Person One is worried that banning people arbitrarily on vague terms is a dangerous precedent in that:
a) its arbitrary and vague
b) who decides what’s in and what’s out?

Person Two:
“Okay, lets give women and their opinions a platform here! lets invite the National Coalition of Women (NOW) and hear what they have to say!”

Person Two has posited a caricature of what Person One actually stated. Person Two has twisted Person One’s meaning into a ‘straw man’ easily torn apart to make his point. His caricature has no relation to the original position.This is bad logic.

[Anonymous 12]

He’ll eventually gain his voice back.

But i believe, from X11s point of view the question might be
“hey, i have not posted anything on mgtow.com for a month – they all can dick my suck by now, right?”

There is a chance he no longer bothers coming back, and let me tell you that could be a great step in the right direction for him.

Could.
if he got married in the meantime… well… then not.

@Surfdude
technically, we are on KM’s turf(sort of speaking), so he could just wipe this whole board and be done with it, and it would only represent half an hour of work or less.
So there IS an arbitrary “power”.
Not a Dictator but a “power”.
I know, i know, it is not like that in real life, but theory says…
Someone somewhere can pull the plug.
Obviously not bitching, but just a little reminder that we all are guests here in a way.

[Anonymous 12]

This is bad logic.

humans are not logic.
Caricatures are not either.
the intention is not to be logic but to stress a point, so seeking for logic is futile.

?

[Anonymous 42]

Anonymous wrote:

I dunno, I could be wrong – I get a lot of things wrong, but something about him being banned didn’t sit quite right with me.

You’re not wrong, he’s MGTOW, he knows the score, and he wasn’t banned, he was sidelined and likely never contacted KM to “resolve” the issue, leaving KM bound to sustain the suspension, otherwise KM is sucking a dick and molesting his own authority over maintaining the site and answering complaints that were filed by a slew of members that weren’t enjoying their admission under personally directed tirades toward them (forum abuse).

KM always says attack the argument not the person, X-11 got it backwards that day and floored it!

[DocParticipant]

I appreciate

ALL your posts guys. Both those who have agreed with what I have said and those that don’t.

I wholeheartedly welcome this sort of debate and hope thst if this thread continues we keep to debate and not fighting. So far so good.

Some good points have been made on both sides.

So we need to find a middle ground that suits us all. The compromise so we are a unified group who accept the majority view.

We don’t have to agree on everything. Just agree to disagree on some things.

My conclusion is that we should just ignore the trollers and starve them of attention.

I retract my belief Nagolbud needs punting. If we starve him he will get bored and go away. If he don’t troll then he’s redeeming himself. But I’m cautious.

I’ll say it again – I am not self appointing myself as head with hunter.

Read my op. It was to ask you all to put the arguments to one side and help find an agreeable way to route out and deal with trollers.

Nagolbud was held up as an example and not the target of this thread.
Reread.

The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape, finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. Marcus Aurelius

[Cú ChulainnParticipant 3910]

Anonymous wrote:

This is bad logic.

humans are not logic.
Caricatures are not either.
the intention is not to be logic but to stress a point, so seeking for logic is futile.

?

Er, wut?

[Anonymous 12]

Er, wut?
seek no logic in humor, there is none.

[Anonymous 42]

Cú Chulainn wrote:

His caricature has no relation to the original position.

as it advocates banning people for arbitrary reasons, including what they say outside the MGTOW forum.

So by that “logic” the offense of being a MGTOW traitor, betrayer, and badmouth this site it’s an excusable and nonpunishable offence?

<<<goes to NOW and writes an article about MGTOW full of slander, misgivings, deception, bias, and hatred.

^^^^ We’re supposed to allow him a seat at our table? Sorry I’m no longer conditioned to dine on another man’s s~~~!

Bon Appétit!

Cú Chulainn wrote:

This is bad logic.

Only when your bias! You don’t even see the s~~~ your stepping in!

[OneTrueMisfitSpectator 2690]

baba-baba-baba oh g-mow baba ba-oh g-mow bab oh g-mow

Don't care

[MonkParticipant 17046]

surfdude12 wrote:

I’d rather have 100 Nagolbuds than 1 self-appointed tyrant arbitrarily deciding who gets to leave or stay.

Then you will lose everything. That is the irony of it.

Total freedom is anarchy. With freedom comes responsibility. Freedom has its limits.

Subversives have always used the mantra of ‘free speech’ in order to destroy that very thing.

The latter is far more terrifying and scary. The Nagolbuds can be simply ignored and never threaten each members ability to express themselves.

They can and have. They provoke people to leave. Page upon page of lunatic ramblings doesn’t encourage debate, it stifles it.

In academic circles, something doesn’t get published unless it has been reviewed and it is thought to have something to contribute. There’s a reason for that.

They’re merely annoying.

To you perhaps, in which case I salute you. To lurkers and newbies, perhaps not.

What will a potential member think when they see anarchy? Is a lunatic free-for-all what a desperate man looking for help wants to see?

The self-appointed tyrants are a far bigger problem – they can’t be ignored. They can threaten any member for any reason at any time, because their rules are necessarily arbitrary and capricious.

Policing is a necessary evil. I do however agree that policing itself needs to be policed.

We are already subject to rules. Can we post anything that we like here? Of course not.

Try it and the authorities will disabuse us of that notion soon enough. If we libel someone, attempt to interfere in a court case, or breach copyright, we can expect retribution.

These are all rules by which we have to abide.

[DocParticipant]

Sorry guys I can keep up with the pace of the debate at the moment.

The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape, finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. Marcus Aurelius

[Anonymous 12]

Hey Doc, Don´t even try. At least one troll trying to hijack it.
the first test comes only hours after your dedication to sanity.

[surfdude12Participant 4103]

Monk wrote:

Then you will lose everything. That is the irony of it. Total freedom is anarchy.

Nice strawman. I never asked for anarchy or “total freedom” (quote me where I did).

I completely agree with KM setting entry requirements (e.g. Male) and forum rules (that I agreed to when I signed up). If I didn’t, that would mean I agreed to them when I signed up and reject them now. What I don’t agree to is people arbitrarily trying to make up new rules without consent of MGTOW community.

They can and have. They provoke people to leave. They stifle debate with their pages of lunatic ramblings.

They don’t “provoke” anyone to do anything. People voluntarily do what they do. Unless of course, a gun is pointed at their head.

They only “stifle” debate if people can’t restrain themselves from engaging them. Self-restraint is a virtue.

You are already subject to rules. Do you think that you can post anything that you like here? Of course not. Try it and the authorities will disabuse you of that notion soon enough.

If KM doesn’t pay the bills, the site will be shut down. That is a rule, is it not?

You’re just making my argument for me – I agree with the rules I already agreed to. My post is clearly directed at people making up new rules, hence the phrase “Self-appointed tyrants”

I’ll quote KM’S Rules:

• Totally inappropriate s~~~ (like suggested violence) will be unapologetically deleted. We are not Jezebel.
• Please be conscious that you not any reveal personal contact information about yourself
… or post pictures of something like your car (with your license plate showing) or naked pictures of someone with a goat.
• By using the forum(s) you are declaring yourself to be a man of at least 18 years of age.
• We must reserve the right to remove anything at any time for any reason, although we trust there will be no need.

That is all.

I don’t see anywhere in there about “lunatic ramblings” or “stifling debate”. He gives one example of inappropriate conduct (suggesting violence), which is a clear back and white rule and I 100% agree with. So I agree 100% with all of these rules and am no anarchist.

[MonkParticipant 17046]

surfdude12 wrote:

What I don’t agree to is people arbitrarily trying to make up new rules without consent of MGTOW community. [….] My post is clearly directed at people making up new rules, hence the phrase “Self-appointed tyrants”

What and where exactly are these ‘new rules’?

I see only suggestions being put forward that one or two particular posters should be punted.

I see arguments for (that they are disruptive and ultimately contribute nothing), but little in the way of against except that ‘everything should be allowed because it’s free speech’.

That I would suggest is a knee-jerk reaction, founded not in any concern for the underdog, but in an anti-authority attitude.

It seems to me that a debate IS taking place.

[surfdude12Participant 4103]

Monk wrote:

What are these ‘new rules’?

Anything beyond KM’s rules above.

I see only suggestions being put forward that one or two particular posters should be punted.

I see arguments for (in that they are disruptive and ultimately contribute nothing), but little in the way of against except that ‘everything should be allowed because it’s free speech’.

Wow! There’s a new rule! Anyone “ultimately contributes nothing” gets punted! Say what? How do you enforce that? SOmeone who doesn’t post for X number of days gets punted? Or who posts stuff you disagree with? This is insane.

That I would suggest is a knee-jerk reaction. Ostensibly in favour of the ‘underdog’, I suspect that it is, more realistically, founded in an anti-authority attitude.

It seems to me that a debate IS taking place.

I don’t believe everything is allowed because its free speech. Advocating or threatening violence is one example where I think member should be punted.

[Anonymous 12]

surfdude12 wrote:

They only “stifle” debate if people can’t restrain themselves from engaging them. Self-restraint is a virtue.

And that, is a point we are trying to bring to everybody.
Ignore the Trolls.

(there are a thousand ways to express it)

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