This May Be An Unpopular Post..but I need to say it.

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

Anonymous wrote:

MEN have allowed this, MEN are at fault, and MEN are the only ones that can fix it.

Unpopular or not, it’s obvious to anyone who will pay attention and I’ve been saying it since the start. Women do not have power, they have empowerment… and that empowerment comes from men who give them authority without requiring responsibility in return.

There’s been a lot of talk in this thread about “soft power”. In no way would I suggest that women do not have the ability to influence men. Women’s power can be quite strong, particularly over men with soft minds and hard dicks. But it’s not man’s power and a truly powerful man can ignore the soft whisper of a woman in his ear.

Think of a football game where you have a great defence but your opponent somehow runs around it with plays you never expected and beats you. Do you go back to the locker room and say “they were better than us” or do you go back and say “our defence was not strong enough and we have to do better”.

Thats what I hear when I hear men saying “Women are at fault because they have influence over us.” Tighten the f~~~ up and take responsibility. We got beat by feminism and the answer isn’t “It’s not our fault they beat us.” but rather “They had some plays we were inadequate to defend against and now we know better.”

Now, I might have to differ with you on the “fix it” part. I’m not certain this CAN be fixed without such a dramatic and violent shift in society that nobody would be willing to come along. In other words, I do not see a way forward that sustainably returns authority and responsibility to the hands of those who build, protect and provide for society and, frankly, I do not see a future where men want to return to that role.

More likely we will see a collapse of our industrial food supply with a resulting depopulation of 80% of humanity that ends with us being lucky to return to a hunter-gatherer level of existence… but this time with women in control and technology being made taboo.

[PuniShredderParticipant 2268]

Silverstone the Second wrote:

Agreed. Despite what women will tell you, they are only as tough as men allow them to be. If men didn’t cave in to their demands, there would be no such thing as feminism.

BINGO! And That I believe is the OP’s point entirely. It all comes back around to MEN allowing this to happen to us. OK so we aknowledge that now we can get past it And opt out of the Gynocracy.

Be professional be polite but always have a plan to kill everyone you meet.

[ExecrationParticipant 1496]

I read an article the other day about empowerment and control. The highlights were simple. The available means by which decisions are made are not the result of the decisions made.Empowerment exists as a platform, how power is exercised is based on individual inhibition or a desire to take advantage of others.

If anything what everyone see’s is a difference in how men wield power to empower and how women wield power to control

[ExecrationParticipant 1496]

Anonymous wrote:

Execration wrote:

Your justifying female and femminist attitudes proportional to men as the reason women are behaving the way they are, bs.

I’m not justifying feminist attitudes at all, perhaps I was not as clear as I thought in my post, and proportional to men? Not sure what proportionality means here; however, I am simply saying that men (Manginas), allowed the feminist movement to grow way out of proportion. And we did..allow it.

The elites or the masses determine/influence public opinion.Public Policy-making is determined by the feds. Men didnt allow anything as it was outside of their control and a condition stipulated by law and legislation. I disagree.

[Anonymous 6]

Execration wrote:

Men didnt allow anything as it was outside of their control and a condition stipulated by law and legislation. I disagree.

And who, in the vast majority was historically in charge of that law and legislation? I rest my case.

[Jan SobieskiParticipant 28791]

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[ExecrationParticipant 1496]

Anonymous wrote:

Execration wrote:

Men didnt allow anything as it was outside of their control and a condition stipulated by law and legislation. I disagree.

And who, in the vast majority was historically in charge of that law and legislation? I rest my case.

Last reponse i intend to give. Knowledge is the result of expierience or information.

Given the understanding men had of women at the that time , they had no reason to beilieve something to the gravity of 3rd wave femminism would be what it is, today.You seem argumentative for the sake of the argument without making nescesarry considerations.

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

Necessary considerations sounds like a cop out to me.

Consider this: You are the parent of a young child and that child comes to you and asks for a puppy, promising to feed and walk and care for it every day, oh please oh please can I huh pleeeeese?!

How do you respond?

In your argument, it would seem that you as the parent would give the child the benefit of the doubt and bring home a puppy. Weeks later when you’re walking that dog in the park while your kid sits at home playing video games, it occurs to you that you got suckered in. It’s not your fault, you had no reason to believe that the child would misrepresent their intentions and avoid their future responsibility in order to get what they wanted in the short term, right?

In my argument, you hear the request for a puppy and you look at your child, recognizing fully that this is a child who will say anything to get what they want right now but has no real intention to follow through on their responsibility. You then either decide to refuse the request on the grounds that a child is incapable of caring for a pet or you decide to get the puppy anyway knowing that it will call the puppy its own but you will be the one doing the feeding and walking.

My point is that women are like children and men have ALWAYS KNOWN IT. Only a fool allows himself to believe otherwise and refuses to teach his sons so that they will know it when they grow up. Any authority that man have given to women is in total defiance of this clearly established fact. There are no “necessary considerations”. Women are children and they get what they want from men through neoteny and manipulating men to compete for them, just like a child does with its parents.

Here’s the thing. Hypergamy is female nature. Dominance is male nature. To blame a woman for her nature (or to pretend it does not exist) is just as bad as blaming a man for his nature. What makes us different is that men will make the effort to RISE ABOVE our nature… to become something better than we are… to apply our masculine power towards creating things of value and beauty. Women, on the whole, simply do not.

If you do not know this or reject the truth of it and try to place blame (responsibility) on women where it can not possibly rest, you will always end up being their fool. It’s as simple as that and the sooner you accept it, the better off you will be.

[Anonymous 6]

This is exactly correct, and I mean if you got from this @execration, that I brought this discussion up just for “argument for the sake of argument”, I dare to include you in those that blindly allowed women into their positions today. Simply stating “we didn’t know what it would become”, is not an excuse for poor judgement; just because I f~~~ a girl, and get her pregnant, doesn’t mean I can tell the courts “I didn’t know child support would be so much”, and be relieved on the consequences, nor does it mean men should not learn from it as a “mistake”, which is why I forwarded it as a “mistake”, which we, as men, need to recognize, own, learn from, and adjust our future solutions accordingly. Simply sitting back and “not giving a f~~~” doesn’t do it for me.

[AFTParticipant 2722]

As more men swallow the Red Pill, we become aware, self interested men, hopefully things will change.

By the way, men NEVER had any real power, power was and is always vested in a few for a lack of a better term “elite”.

Men as an individual or as a group have NO REAL SAY in no fault divorce laws, divorce rape, domestic violence laws, it is the few that decide for the many…

Democracy is a pack of sheep deciding which wolf will prepare dinner.

The whole system needs a good old fashion revamp, until then we just make do the best we can.

You are playing a rigged game, but once you unplug, at least you remove the blindfold.

Keymaster wrote:

there should be no “s~~~ testing” in the first place.

…

She is now responsible for her own unhappiness because she WANTED to be.
Hold her responsible.

Blew my mind.

Pure logic, men are only responsible “at fault” if we CHOOSE to be.

It was not, nor is it now, MEN’S responsibility to look after cupcake, especially as she protested her RIGHT to make HER DECISIONS.

You presume we would all be better off if MEN forced women to hold to the old set of traditional rules.

NO…

The benefits would come at the price of eternal sacrifice.

When the war cemeteries are half full of the corpses of dead conscripted women, only then will women have earned the right to speak of equality. Sidecar “A man is a success if he gets up in the morning and goes to bed at night and in between does what he wants to do.” - Bob Dylan

[Anonymous 3]

It is most certainly men’s fault, especially in the form of large government.

Happens every time. Affluence+large government=white knight manginas make policy destroying masculinity.

When men have to struggle for food and a livelihood, these manginas don’t get power because they just die out. The men that actually take charge and protect themselves wind up having wives and families who follow their rule and thus natural selection occurs. Anyone too stupid to take care of themselves and more concerned with the comfort or whims of a woman just dies, because he can’t take another man’s resources, and when he gives his own away or can’t get it himself no man is stupid enough to give him more to waste on women.

There is no “fix” for this. Apparently men are either consigned to a low standard of living but masculinity, or a high standard and effeminacy. We MGTOW unplug and are out of it, but the mess is obvious.

[AttonParticipant]

The key word is men that means each and everyone of them. Sure men have the power to dictate women and control ever aspect of their lives with or without their approval. Men are the force behind the law, if anti gynocentrism was popular things like VAWA and the draft would go away forever. However as a rule men would never tap into this power on mass, I would say this would only happen with massive technological advancement.

A MGTOW is a man who is not a woman's bitch!

[Anonymous 3]

Meh, this same topic pops up every now and then.

It’s just a hipster thing to say because this is a male space with a decent amount of pro-male thoughts circulating around.

But, as many have pointed out, it’s not cut out in black and white. Is it men’s fault? Yeah, in some ways. Is it women’s fault? Yeah, in some ways.

You say men have the power to crush the feminist movement, yeah so what? Don’t you know women also have that power? If women collectively say today, feminism is done, guess what, feminism is done.

[Zuberi TauParticipant 10606]

The establishment that gave women the carte blanche to destroy society does not in anyway represent all men!

Feminism most certainly would not have worked the without full cooperation from women!
Let it sink in.

[Anonymous 22]

Who are the people in high positions that support feminists, and give them so much power and airtime? The people that continue to support them, even today, right now?

Are they men or women? I can almost guarantee that most of them are men.

[MGTOWmonkey aka No More Fucks To GiveParticipant 6635]

I was sitting at the table as a lurker and its debates like these that makes me love this site!! I have taken new knowledge and perspective from every post. I think (in my opinion) every post has some truth to it but not the whole truth that’s needed to draw a full conclusion. I’ve decided to take the strong bits and pieces and form a picture that makes the most sense to me and my life to continue going my own way. At the end of the day every post equates to men getting f~~~ed over and its time we take our marbles and go home and leave these praying mantis to sort their own lives out.

Very healthy debate by the way!

Never lose sight of what brought you here.

[qeeqoParticipant 1168]

Unfortunately, the genie is so far out of the bottle that it appears to be irreversible. They are moving towards their own enslavement through subjugation to Islam. Time to break out the clit clippers.

This has allowed their true natures to emerge and they completely deserve what they are bringing on themselves.

[Anonymous 6]

qeeqo wrote:

They are moving towards their own enslavement through subjugation to Islam.

I couldn’t agree more, women are bringing about their own end, as are social justice warriors, allowing anyone and anything to permeate our borders..I ask, who will they turn to for protection?

[Eric LauderParticipant 12043]

Anonymous wrote:

Execration wrote:

Your justifying female and femminist attitudes proportional to men as the reason women are behaving the way they are, bs.

I’m not justifying feminist attitudes at all, perhaps I was not as clear as I thought in my post, and proportional to men? Not sure what proportionality means here; however, I am simply saying that men (Manginas), allowed the feminist movement to grow way out of proportion. And we did..allow it.

Being blue pill and white knight is the default state of men, almost all men are born and raised so. Including almost all of us: before being MGTOW almost all us were blue pills, probably almost all us acted at least twice or thrice as white knights.
That’s why and how women have soft power.

Anonymous wrote:

Meh, this same topic pops up every now and then.

It’s just a hipster thing to say because this is a male space with a decent amount of pro-male thoughts circulating around.

But, as many have pointed out, it’s not cut out in black and white. Is it men’s fault? Yeah, in some ways. Is it women’s fault? Yeah, in some ways.

You say men have the power to crush the feminist movement, yeah so what? Don’t you know women also have that power? If women collectively say today, feminism is done, guess what, feminism is done.

This.
It would not even need ALL women saying “feminism is done”, it would be enough something like 80% women.

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[RockmaninoffParticipant 1641]

Keymaster wrote:

I was the only kid I ever knew who was dragged indoors on a sunny weekend , and FORCED to sit down and practice piano for a f~~~ing hour — 7 days a week — while ALL the other kids got to “do what they want”.

Wanna make a kid hate music? Do exactly this (speaking from experience).

Then again, that’s the only way to make a Beethoven, so I really don’t know what the solution is.

". . . elle, suivant l’usage des femmes et des chats qui ne viennent pas quand on les appelle et qui viennent quand on ne les appelle pas, s’arrêta devant moi et m’adressa la parole"—Prosper Mérimée

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