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Anonymous6I’ve been thinking a lot lately, and I cannot help but come to the conclusion, as unpopular as it may be here, that it is men’s fault. Man, and more specifically, manginas, have allowed our current society. Women’s movement (and leftism/feminism etc.) over the last 50-100 years could have been easily squashed, or at least, allowed to move to a certain point and then halted. But men, who had the power, all of it, allowed it to be slowly destroyed, almost like watching bacteria slowly eat away at flesh, knowing the cure in antibiotics, but just letting it continue to grow, until all is destroyed.
MEN have allowed this, MEN are at fault, and MEN are the only ones that can fix it.
Completely agree. It’s men who signed the law and allowed these f~~~s to have a voice. I’ve gone past caring at this stage.
Anonymous6Completely agree. It’s men who signed the law and allowed these f~~~s to have a voice. I’ve gone past caring at this stage.
Good to know, I also have unfortunately lost hope, but you’re right, men signed everything to allow these delusional liars to get to the top, what the f~~~ where we thinking, this is insane.
We always speak the truth here, whether unpopular or not, so you are right we broke what kept the west intact for thousands of years and are now paying for it. There’s nothing we can do at this point but wait for a collapse and rebuild.
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So your thesis is that “men” generally acquiesced in the face of the feminist threat, and the resulting issues are thus the fault of men.
I don’t agree:
a) The destructive impact of female toxicity rests firmly with women, not men. So when assigning fault it must be assigned to the protagonist, not the victim.
b) Men are responsible only in so far as there is an obligation to resist the female onslaught, but what is the source of that obligation? You’re just assuming and assigning this obligation.
c) Certainly as men we have an obligation to defend ourselves BUT we have been programmed biologically and socially to self-sacrifice–so the obligation to resist and defend ourselves must over come significant hurdles.Now that is not to say we shouldn’t or wouldn’t defend ourselves. We should, we can, and we are.
Take heart brother—you and the rest of us are the tip of the spear pushing back!Agreed, once women were given the right to vote the descent to our current state was started. While women have more privalages than men, by giving them these rights their true nature was exposed. With this knowledge we can avoid pitfalls of marriage and being a slave.
"what a waste of a life, to marry, give up your freedom, just for the hope of not dying alone. Don't get married Son."
I’ve been thinking a lot lately, and I cannot help but come to the conclusion, as unpopular as it may be here, that it is men’s fault. Man, and more specifically, manginas, have allowed our current society. Women’s movement (and leftism/feminism etc.) over the last 50-100 years could have been easily squashed, or at least, allowed to move to a certain point and then halted. But men, who had the power, all of it, allowed it to be slowly destroyed, almost like watching bacteria slowly eat away at flesh, knowing the cure in antibiotics, but just letting it continue to grow, until all is destroyed.
MEN have allowed this, MEN are at fault, and MEN are the only ones that can fix it.
Nope.
Men never had full power: this is feminist narrative, you have to detox from such s~~~.
Women always had a lot of soft power, ALWAYS.
Most men are hardwired to protect women, and women always had pussy power due their less sex drive.
That’s why the balance of power NEVER had been 100% men vs 0% women as feminists describe.
It was more 70% vs 30% if not even 60% vs 40% – it dependes by time and place.Do you want a proof?
I’ll give you three:1) XVIII-XIX century: when 100% women didn’t have the right to vote even 90% men didn’t have the right to vote.
2) What about XVII century?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucrezia_Marinella“In Germany, where men are not permitted any sort of festive attire unless they are noble, every little woman adorns herself with festive drapes and different types of necklace, as is the habit all over the world. Women are honored everywhere with the use of ornaments that greatly surpass men’s, as can be observed. It is a marvelous sight in our city to see the wife of a shoemaker or butcher or even a porter all dressed up with gold chains round her neck, with pearls and valuable rings on her fingers, accompanied by a pair of women on either side to assist her and give her a hand, and then, by contrast, to see her husband cutting up meat all soiled with ox’s blood and down at heel, or loaded up like a beast of burden dressed in rough cloth, as porters are. At first it may seem an astonishing anomaly to see the wife dressed like a lady and the husband so basely that he often appears to be her servant or butler, but if we consider the matter properly, we find it reasonable because it is necessary for a woman, even if she is humble and low, to be ornamented in this way because of her natural dignity and excellence, and for the man to be less so, like a servant or beast born to serve her. As well as in the ways already narrated, women have been honored by men with great and eminent titles that are used by them continually, being commonly referred to as donne, for, as was demonstrated in the first chapter, the name donna means lady and mistress. When men refer to women thus, they honor them, though they may not intend to, by calling them ladies, even if they are humble and of a lowly disposition. In truth, to express the nobility of this sex men could not find a more appropriate and fitting name than donna, which immediately shows women’s superiority and precedence over men, because by calling women mistress they show themselves of necessity to be subjects and servants.
“Women’s nobility and excellence is recognized by the French and Spanish more than by the Italians. In these countries they are allowed to inherit estates, succeeding not only to dukedoms but to principalities exactly as men do. Not only to principalities, but to the monarchy itself, like the sister of the King of Spain, who was able to ascend to the monarchy, as well as have dominion over numerous other principalities. Women who inherit estates can be seen every day in France and England. The Germans too recognize women’s superiority. The women there conduct all the business dealings and mercantile transactions in the cities while the men remain at the stoves. This also occurs in Flanders and in France. In France men may not spend even a centime unless at the request of their wives, and women not only administrate business dealings and sales but private income as well. What do you think? Are not women, as I have proved, known by men to be nobler than them, seeing that they confess it with their own mouths? What more is there for me to say?”
It doesn’t seems they were treated as chattel, as feminists always describe
3) What about XI-XIII century?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_the_CrusadesCheck the article: women’s role may be inferior to men but for sure not so much…
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Anonymous1It is men’s fault AND women’s fault, it is too easy to say “it is my nature” and get rid of all guilt. People should be accountable for their actions, no matter what their nature is, no matter what their past is, no matter what the society tell them to do.
Men have surely done bad/stupid things, but let’s face it, the system is against us. The today boys are not grown up as men, are grown up as manginas/white knights/bluepilled etc.
Agreed, once women were given the right to vote the descent to our current state was started.
There never had been a situation where 100% men voted and 100% women didn’t vote.
There was a situation where 10% men and 0% women could vote: 90% men and 100% women were excluded.When 100% women had been granted the right to vote WITHOUT THE NEED TO BEING DRAFTED FOR MILITARY SERVICE even 90% men had been granted the right to vote WITH THE NEED TO BEING DRAFTED FOR MILITARY SERVICE.
We have to detox from feminist narrative: it’s unhealthy and historically totally wrong.
SUPREME LEADER KIM JONG-UN'S FASHION STYLIST - if you want a new look or if you're a very beautiful trans you can call me, phone number +85079255312 / mobile 01921421211. The worth of a man isn't the usefulness that women get from him. Avoiding living with a woman, a man isn't rejecting a lot of sex: he's rejecting sexual starvation. MGTOW IS TACKLING DOMESTIC VIOLENCE IN COMPLIANCE WITH CONVENTION OF ISTANBUL: http://www.coe.int/en/web/conventions/full-list/-/conventions/rms/090000168008482e --- Article 4, Section 4 "Special measures that are necessary to prevent and protect women from gender-based violence shall not be considered discrimination under the terms of this Convention". WHAT I LEARNT FROM A GENDER STUDIES CLASS IN LUND, SWEDEN: every time feminists accuses men of doing something, odds are likely either them or persons associated with them are doing the exact same thing but a lot worse. WHO I'M RIGHT NOW https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1okpAj7Fhw Basically my former life have been a conflict between this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yz_RQVkvke4 and this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFIMeyTK-sU That's, more or less, all about me.
It is men’s fault AND women’s fault, it is too easy to say “it is my nature” and get rid of all guilt. People should be accountable for their actions, no matter what their nature is, no matter what their past is, no matter what the society tell them to do.
Men have surely done bad/stupid things, but let’s face it, the system is against us. The today boys are not grown up as men, are grown up as manginas/white knights/bluepilled etc.
My idea is that the western world is leaning towards a matriarchy, but there are problems like:
Women’s power, being soft power in nature, cannot involve full responsibility – they’ll always need a good portion of men in power to blame otherwise their game will be over. That mean that at least 40% power have to be in the hands of men.
Gay rights: historically matriarchies have a strong basis in blaming men who reject women – the usual “you’re not a real man!” and “you’re gay!”. That would be homophobic in actual society. Since women’s power will always be way stronger within the family and the home, men who will avoid relationships with women (sounds familiar?) will retain most their freedom.
The rise of Islam within the west: I don’t think it have to be explained.
SUPREME LEADER KIM JONG-UN'S FASHION STYLIST - if you want a new look or if you're a very beautiful trans you can call me, phone number +85079255312 / mobile 01921421211. The worth of a man isn't the usefulness that women get from him. Avoiding living with a woman, a man isn't rejecting a lot of sex: he's rejecting sexual starvation. MGTOW IS TACKLING DOMESTIC VIOLENCE IN COMPLIANCE WITH CONVENTION OF ISTANBUL: http://www.coe.int/en/web/conventions/full-list/-/conventions/rms/090000168008482e --- Article 4, Section 4 "Special measures that are necessary to prevent and protect women from gender-based violence shall not be considered discrimination under the terms of this Convention". WHAT I LEARNT FROM A GENDER STUDIES CLASS IN LUND, SWEDEN: every time feminists accuses men of doing something, odds are likely either them or persons associated with them are doing the exact same thing but a lot worse. WHO I'M RIGHT NOW https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1okpAj7Fhw Basically my former life have been a conflict between this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yz_RQVkvke4 and this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFIMeyTK-sU That's, more or less, all about me.
as unpopular as it may be here, that it (the current state of things) is men’s fault.
I agree.
But I am also compelled to flatly disagree for an important reason.
Men accepting responsibility for caving to “what women want” – and seeing the disasterous effects of that – is not your problem to fix or care about. It’s already a battle to keep things in basic check. Eventually, men WILL tire of the f~~~ing whining and complaining because just like children, women don’t realize that “rules” and “responsibilities” exist for their own good.
The benefits are not apparent at first.
You have to see it fall apart to understand the benefits of reasonable restraint.It will take a child a solid 3+ decades to thank their parents and really mean it. I don’t think I ever said “thank you” for my very rigid upbringing which I often questioned and complained about! I was the only kid I ever knew who was dragged indoors on a sunny weekend , and FORCED to sit down and practice piano for a f~~~ing hour — 7 days a week — while ALL the other kids got to “do what they want”.
So….
Allowing the concept that “feminism is some kind of s~~~ test – and men failed” is bulls~~~. Because if you observe the same thing in a personal relationship, there should be no “s~~~ testing” in the first place.
You catch my drift?
Lets say we encapsulate “feminism” (for simplicity’s sake) into a universal foot-stomping of cry-babies wanting to get their way, and you say “FINE! OK! WHATEVER YOU WANT”. Is it really “your fault”, when she finally figures out it turned into a great big screaming mess, and she is no happier as a result of that?
The relationship is over and the s~~~ testing bitch f~~~ed it up.
It’s not your fault.She is now responsible for her own unhappiness because she WANTED to be.
Hold her responsible.If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.Yes, I as a man am responsible for my actions. My actions had consequences.
Not knowing is no excuse.
I knew and still stood at the marital altar and said “I do”.
Every divorce is at the core the man’s fault. Who we choose to procreate with or associate with is our responsibility.
In the end the person accountable for where you are and the choices you made are yours.
That is a large portion of the red pill rage. Coming to grips with forgiving yourself and then the ability to move forward and make correct decisions to find serenity etc.
As a man, if you do nothing (do not procreate, co-habitate, etc) then you will decide best in our society.
So yes, your logic is sound.
Peace brothers
Anonymous0I’ve been thinking a lot lately, and I cannot help but come to the conclusion, as unpopular as it may be here, that it is men’s fault. Man, and more specifically, manginas, have allowed our current society. Women’s movement (and leftism/feminism etc.) over the last 50-100 years could have been easily squashed, or at least, allowed to move to a certain point and then halted. But men, who had the power, all of it, allowed it to be slowly destroyed, almost like watching bacteria slowly eat away at flesh, knowing the cure in antibiotics, but just letting it continue to grow, until all is destroyed.
MEN have allowed this, MEN are at fault, and MEN are the only ones that can fix it.
+1 for having the b~~~~ to say it
I disagree entirely.
That is like saying if I gave you a loaded rifle and you killed me with it, then it is my fault. Should we not EXPECT that as human beings sharing this planet with us that women act like adults and not use their newly awarded “powers” in an infantile and juvenile manner?
Anonymous6Citing wiki regarding the adornation of women and cultural history of artifact transfer from men to women, is hardly an argument of power, I respectfully disagree.
So, Don’t think women wield soft power? Who got us thrown out of Eden?
I must question the point here. Assuming you are correct what is the point of assigning fault/blame to men? Where does that leave us? How is this constructive? I refuse to allow anyone to impose some kind of collective guilt. Yes there are men who screw up and bow to the holy clam but that is an individual choice, not mine or anyone else.
I recommend trying to be constructive, not destructive.
Anonymous6into a universal foot-stomping of cry-babies wanting to get their way, and you say “FINE! OK! WHATEVER YOU WANT”
I agree with much of what you say (and I realized the debate this would spark here, but as a man, I can discuss, without becoming emotional and crying)
As for the above quote, I think I feel like instead of caving and “giving them whatever you want”, I feel as though we may have taken more of a stand; its hard for me to understand as things progressed that we did not (and DO not) see how much worse things continue to become.
Like many posters have said (I think including you [in a sense]), which I also agree with and have been thinking- It may be best to watch everything fall apart and rebuild; sometimes lessons are only learned through the most extreme of conditions/experiences/outcomes.
Dolla’s premise is completely wrong! This could’a would’a , should’a BS is hind sight. There may have been ‘different’ choices, actions or decisions made way back when, but you and anyone else have no idea the result of what different actions would have produced. Men are participants in this battle , yes. But to say it is our fault is cowardly. Like a losing country in a battle, crying after the loss, saying “we should have never fought , or we should have done things completely differently”, is asinine. ….
What we do at this point forward is what matters! Keymaster, Pete, M52, and Eric apply better wisdom here. The only thing you got correct was ,”…. and MEN are the only ones that can fix it.” ! Learn from the past, yes! But to don the coat of blame is to repeat failure and invite defeat.Meditating on the Wisdom & Truths of Man, Isn't just a Philosophy, but a Calling......Be willing to be Called a Man!
Anonymous6So when assigning fault it must be assigned to the protagonist, not the victim.
I think that (in my mind), we were not the victim at the point of outset (when something could have been done), thus, I assign fault historically, and assign retribution/action/reconstruction preemptively to those in the future.
Anonymous6But to say it is our fault is cowardly. Like a losing country in a battle,
When instead of battle, many cower and choose not to fight, but in fact, cladestinely help the enemy, yes, absolutely, it is cowardly. Not the loss, the failure to go to battle, THAT is my premise, you’ve twisted my logic.
I however, respect all mens’ opinions and thus have brought my personal internal debate to the public realm.
Citing wiki regarding the adornation of women and cultural history of artifact transfer from men to women, is hardly an argument of power, I respectfully disagree.
The article about the role of women in the crusades was about poltical, economical and administrative power of women.
A society where men had 100% power and women 0% power would had been very different.
Men would have smaller dicks and bigger testicles, for starters.
Do you know why?
Because marriage would never existed and “rape” would never had been a crime nor even a concept.
Both Danny De Vito and Arnold Schwarzenegger would take women in the streets, as they like, even forcing women, and nobody would bother. Women’s sexual preferences would had been irrelevant (hence why smaller dicks) and all the competition between men would had been at the spermatic level: competition between different sperms within the uterus. Hence why larger testicles.
Women would have some welfare just only when pregnant.
Also sex work wouldn’t exist: men would be used to take every women they like simply using the force, so who would bother to pay them?
Paternity tests would be unheard of: why bothering if no man would be forced to support her and the children?That’s how things works for the common chimpanzees, a true patriarchy.
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