This May Be An Unpopular Post..but I need to say it.

[Anonymous 0]

With respect:
If it was men who “had the power, all of it” then it WAS men that awarded it to women.
Secondly, if “men have allowed this” then men had it to give.
Your logic escapes me. I stand by my original hypothesis that women use the “power” that men have them in addition to there own soft power to harm men in a juvenile manner.
Again, Dolla, with respect.

[Anonymous 6]

I agree that sex is, has, and always will be one thing women are able to seduce power with. However, never had I, nor never would I, allow sex to supersede my rational judgement and decision-making, I know this, as I have held a number of power positions in the corporate and private sectors.

Manginas however, would, and to revert to my first post, they (who are men), are responsible. But, as I’ve just mentioned, biology, and primitive drive is no excuse for poor decision-making given our current ability to utilize advanced thought.

Thank you for your input, I do respect your opinion and learn from yours and all posts.

[Anonymous 6]

Anonymous wrote:

With respect:
If it was men who “had the power, all of it” then it WAS men that awarded it to women.
Secondly, if “men have allowed this” then men had it to give.
Your logic escapes me. I stand by my original hypothesis that women use the “power” that men have them in addition to there own soft power to harm men in a juvenile manner.
Again, Dolla, with respect.

I totally agree M52, thank you for your input, one caveat, which you mention, is “women use the power that men have given them”, my logic is we gave them too much, and I believe we need to watch all we have built in the western world unfortunately fall apart, before we are able to rebuild..a disasterous mistake indeed (just my thoughts).

[PuniShredderParticipant 2268]

I’d say that MGTOW understands this quite well. We know who’s at fault. I’m personally very militant in my ideas of how to change it but I’m in the VAST minority here…Most MGTOW I think just want to withdraw from the whole of gynocentric society. I do my own thing but I have altruistic concern for Western society and I’d like it to continue Albeit under men’s control. But you can see I’m a fighter from my avatar. I want to actually take control away from the white night manginas that run the society so I don’t know if that doesn’t make me a pure MGTOW or not but I’m not concerned with labels. Bottom line s~~~ has to change

Be professional be polite but always have a plan to kill everyone you meet.

[DorkShitParticipant 4353]

This is why gender equality is a fallacy. It is not a 50/50 relationship.

It is just a law of nature that someone is 100% responsible.

As a man, I rely on only myself. I am accountable to me. I have free will. My actions have consequences. What I build is 100% my creation and responsibility.

In any relationship between a man and a woman the laws of nature apply.

Where things go awry is with the laws of man in our society.

Women are nothing
They have nothing
They build nothing
They protect nothing
They conquer nothing
They save nothing
They are responsible for nothing

The only thing women are entitled to is everything they can get from a man.

Everything a woman acquires comes from a man/society and the resources he/it is able to generate.

No man looks to another to carry his load.

The load you choose to carry is yours. You took it on.

Young men, heed my warning. You are to blame for your actions. When you interact with a female only you can choose your actions. Act wise.

Stand firmly with both feet upon the ground and lean face first into the wind and say NO with every fiber of your being.

Peace brothers

[Anonymous 6]

PuniShredder wrote:

I’d say that MGTOW understands this quite well. We know who’s at fault. I’m personally very militant in my ideas of how to change it but I’m in the VAST minority here…Most MGTOW I think just want to withdraw from the whole of gynocentric society. I do my own thing but I have altruistic concern for Western society and I’d like it to continue Albeit under men’s control. But you can see I’m a fighter from my avatar. I want to actually take control away from the white night man China’s run the society so I don’t know if that doesn’t make me a pure MGTOW or not but I’m not concerned with labels. Bottom line s~~~ has to change

Kermpercat, I agree with you, perhaps I am also not 100 what people choose to call “MGTOW” to mean, but I could care less, MGTOW is what I want it to mean, just like everyman, and I too think things need to change.

[Anonymous 6]

DorkShit wrote:

This is why gender equality is a fallacy. It is not a 50/50 relationship.

It is just a law of nature that someone is 100% responsible.

As a man, I rely on only myself. I am accountable to me. I have free will. My actions have consequences. What I build is 100% my creation and responsibility.

In any relationship between a man and a woman the laws of nature apply.

Where things go awry is with the laws of man in our society.

Women are nothing
They have nothing
They build nothing
They protect nothing
They conquer nothing
They save nothing
They are responsible for nothing

The only thing women are entitled to is everything they can get.

Everything a woman acquires comes from a man/society and the resources he/it is able to generate.

No man looks to another to carry his load.

The load you choose to carry is yours. You took it on.

Young men, heed my warning. You are to blame for your actions. When you interact with a female only you can choose your actions. Act wise.

Couldn’t have said it better. Thanks for your reply.

[Anonymous 0]

I think you misunderstand my meaning.
We gave women a loaded rifle. They have used it to harm us. If our forefathers were guilty of anything, it was trusting that women would act responsibly.
I think we are all in agreement here; just that our presentation is different.
Been nice talking to you.

[Prefer Peace to PieceParticipant 10809]

PistolPete wrote:

a) The destructive impact of female toxicity rests firmly with women, not men. So when assigning fault it must be assigned to the protagonist, not the victim.
b) Men are responsible only in so far as there is an obligation to resist the female onslaught, but what is the source of that obligation? You’re just assuming and assigning this obligation.
c) Certainly as men we have an obligation to defend ourselves BUT we have been programmed biologically and socially to self-sacrifice–so the obligation to resist and defend ourselves must over come significant hurdles.

PistolPete-

Good points. A female is responsible for her behavior. If she hurts someone, she is culpable, not the man who was injured.

I’m dreaming, but I wish there was some way men could attenuate legal/political power held by women. I wonder if a political action committee for men’s rights could be established. We all complain, but complaining usually doesn’t go very far.

In the future, maybe MGTOW could look in this direction.

[PistolPeteParticipant 27143]

Look Dolla, I’m trying to give you the benefit of the doubt, and understand where you are coming from. We’re not trying to pile on but clearly from your choice of thread title you figured this would be controversial. Which is fine. But what was the point?

Not to be unnecessarily redundant I posited earlier about your point. Yes I get the argument/thesis and assuming for the sake of argument you are right and the fault lies with men what is the point? Why are we assigning fault? And if your argument is to be considered within a historical paradigm isn’t the issue of fault irrelevant at this point. (Unless you have access to Mr. Peabody’s Way Back Machine)

[Anonymous 6]

“And if your argument is to be considered within a historical paradigm isn’t the issue of fault irrelevant at this point” I think that my hope in pointing this out/discussion, is perhaps we will learn from our mistakes.

PistolPete wrote:

(Unless you have access to Mr. Peabody’s Way Back Machine)

I actually do have access to this, I was hoping nobody would notice, but now the secret is out..I’ve invented a time machine

Here is a selfie from today

[LynxParticipant 302]

Why fix it? Shut up, grab some popcorn and watch the world burn. Or not, if a significant amount of bluepillers wake up. Then again I don’t think this should be the main concern of a MGTOW.

[DorkShitParticipant 4353]

PistolPete wrote:

Look Dolla, I’m trying to give you the benefit of the doubt, and understand where you are coming from. We’re not trying to pile on but clearly from your choice of thread title you figured this would be controversial. Which is fine. But what was the point?

Not to be unnecessarily redundant I posited earlier about your point. Yes I get the argument/thesis and assuming for the sake of argument you are right and the fault lies with men what is the point? Why are we assigning fault? And if your argument is to be considered within a historical paradigm isn’t the issue of fault irrelevant at this point. (Unless you have access to Mr. Peabody’s Way Back Machine)

PP, I think this topic is pivotal to debate.

The thing that separates us from women is accountability.

I have lost over 25 men that I personally knew to suicide. It all hinged on this topic.

As a man we take on every load. One of the biggest is guilt. At our core we blame ourselves for our failure of xyz. Rightly so. The struggle is our rebirth that can only happen when we forgive ourself for our mistake etc. The ability to shrug off our past and move forward with clarity.

I believe this is what the OP is working through. Understanding that we as men are to blame for our individual mistakes is part of our path. Only then can you understand the gravity of your decisions that you will make going forward.

Peace brothers

[Eric LauderParticipant 12043]

Lynx wrote:

Why fix it? Shut up, grab some popcorn and watch the world burn. Or not, if a significant amount of bluepillers wake up. Then again I don’t think this should be the main concern of a MGTOW.

Given the nature of women’s power – soft power especially useful within a relationship and sexual situations – all men have to worry about is:
* Education / acquiring marketable skills
* Avoiding giving women legal rights over you and your stuff
* Getting and keeping a job that provide a good income, possibly very stable.
* Being evasive and “politically correct” about your relationship status: when asked about it your answer should range from “I have yet to find the right one” to “it’s not my priority right now”.

Done.
If a man fullfills all such criterias, he will enjoy a great show with popcorns and a box of cold beers.

SUPREME LEADER KIM JONG-UN'S FASHION STYLIST - if you want a new look or if you're a very beautiful trans you can call me, phone number +85079255312 / mobile 01921421211. The worth of a man isn't the usefulness that women get from him. Avoiding living with a woman, a man isn't rejecting a lot of sex: he's rejecting sexual starvation. MGTOW IS TACKLING DOMESTIC VIOLENCE IN COMPLIANCE WITH CONVENTION OF ISTANBUL: http://www.coe.int/en/web/conventions/full-list/-/conventions/rms/090000168008482e --- Article 4, Section 4 "Special measures that are necessary to prevent and protect women from gender-based violence shall not be considered discrimination under the terms of this Convention". WHAT I LEARNT FROM A GENDER STUDIES CLASS IN LUND, SWEDEN: every time feminists accuses men of doing something, odds are likely either them or persons associated with them are doing the exact same thing but a lot worse. WHO I'M RIGHT NOW https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1okpAj7Fhw Basically my former life have been a conflict between this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yz_RQVkvke4 and this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFIMeyTK-sU That's, more or less, all about me.

[PistolPeteParticipant 27143]

AH SO. Darksith has untangled the mystery. Thanks Bro!

[Anonymous 6]

DorkShit wrote:

Understanding that we as men are to blame for our individual mistakes is part of our path. Only then can you understand the gravity of your decisions that you will make going forward.

This is exactly what I am getting at, learn from our mistakes, and think as the intelligent men we are to come up with solutions that will allow us to avoid them again.

The point of this site, for me, is to enjoy, have some laughs, but also, importantly, to bring about topics that spark debate, provocative thought, and have us learn from one another.

[ExecrationParticipant 1496]

Determing fault is a matter of negligence or overt action.
Negligence is a failure to act appropritely(responsibily) ,according to standards of behavior.

Standards of behavior are self-concious and self-evident.Choices are self conscious decisions.Women didnt require an explanation. When full-sovereinty was given to them grounds existed for choices to be made-choices they made.A matter of individual capacity.No one makes a choice for another.Any concious choice that demonstrates negligence when good faith exists between one person and another is failure as the result of someone lacking self-restraint when acting selfishly.

Women view rights without responsibility and accountability- thats called greed and self-bias as a standard for justification.

Men are not accountable for the choices women made-up after the fact.Your also not giving consideration to the governments roleplaying male provider.

Your justifying female and femminist attitudes proportional to men as the reason women are behaving the way they are, bs.

[Silverstone the SecondParticipant]

Agreed. Despite what women will tell you, they are only as tough as men allow them to be. If men didn’t cave in to their demands, there would be no such thing as feminism.

Feminism is a movement where opinions are presented as facts and emotions are presented as evidence.

[PuniShredderParticipant 2268]

DorkShit wrote:

This is why gender equality is a fallacy. It is not a 50/50 relationship.

It is just a law of nature that someone is 100% responsible.

As a man, I rely on only myself. I am accountable to me. I have free will. My actions have consequences. What I build is 100% my creation and responsibility.

In any relationship between a man and a woman the laws of nature apply.

Where things go awry is with the laws of man in our society.

Women are nothing
They have nothing
They build nothing
They protect nothing
They conquer nothing
They save nothing
They are responsible for nothing

The only thing women are entitled to is everything they can get from a man.

Everything a woman acquires comes from a man/society and the resources he/it is able to generate.

No man looks to another to carry his load.

The load you choose to carry is yours. You took it on.

Young men, heed my warning. You are to blame for your actions. When you interact with a female only you can choose your actions. Act wise.

Stand firmly with both feet upon the ground and lean face first into the wind and say NO with every fiber of your being.

Yes!!!!

Be professional be polite but always have a plan to kill everyone you meet.

[Anonymous 6]

Execration wrote:

Your justifying female and femminist attitudes proportional to men as the reason women are behaving the way they are, bs.

I’m not justifying feminist attitudes at all, perhaps I was not as clear as I thought in my post, and proportional to men? Not sure what proportionality means here; however, I am simply saying that men (Manginas), allowed the feminist movement to grow way out of proportion. And we did..allow it.

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