The US and an Evolving NATO Alliance

[MarketWatcherParticipant]

And the worst part is MY taxes are paying for this. America first for a change please.

[PistolPeteParticipant 27143]

Look I’m just saying give credit where credit is due. Britain lost 382,600, 1939-1945 France 250,000, AND Russia 10,000,000

Lets see now who was carrying the load? Who deserves thanks? Who is responsible for the allied victory?

I believe Britain was chased off the continent at Dunkirk, and the French went down in flames for a third time in less than a century BUT after 4 years of the Russians bleeding out and with the help of America the Brits finally came back. You guys owe the Russians a big FAT thank you.

[It’sallbsParticipant]

I’ve no problem with teh russians.

http://www.leavemeansleave.eu

[Anonymous 2]

NATO amounted to nothing good during it’s existence.
The only two interventions it had wasn’t to defend any attacked allied country.
– 1995 NATO bombing campaign in Bosnia and Herzegovina
– 1999 NATO bombing of Yugoslavia
It meddled with former Yugoslavia politics which it didn’t have any business with.
For the 1999 one it didn’t even have the approval of the UN Security Council.

All the other wars were US ambitions and some of the NATO allies joined with minor contribution.

PistolPete wrote:

Not likely, Britain and France failed twice in a row–In fact France is 0-3, they haven’t won against the Germans since Napoleon. Had it not been for the US and Russia You’d be speaking German right now.

Completely agree!
In WW2 Germany(their allies didn’t amount to much, maybe some cannon fodder soldiers) started with major handicaps.
They weren’t defeated until everybody ganged up on them, and they were fighting on 3 fronts.

Don’t underestimate the Germans…
They have the largest industrial manufacturing base in the world.
Guess how long it would take for all those factories to manufacture military equipment.
I know it didn’t take long for the US in WW2.

[It’sallbsParticipant]

WW2 was a joint effort -no doubt and I have nothing against America although I believe you have been sold a lie with Trump.

I don’t buy all this “special relationship” crap that everyone goes on about all these years.

America got involved because of Pearl Harbour, no other reason.

You did nothing to help us during the Falklands War when Britain was under attack from Argentina using French missiles I might add.

Dunkirk was a result of an attempt to help the French who have stabbed us in the back ever since and we lost 70,000 troops.

Even during WW2 you could never fully trust the resistance that’s why half our spies ended up in Colditz having their finger nails pulled out.

http://www.leavemeansleave.eu

[PistolPeteParticipant 27143]

Thanks Ender. Romania certainly took it on the chin—300K casualties and most at the siege of Sevastopol. You guys also had the one and only air ace in history to be an ace for both sides in the same war! WOW!

[PistolPeteParticipant 27143]

Although I deeply respect Britain and I’m just kind of poking Itsallbs let us remember the first jet fighter—Germany, ME 262 first flight 1939; and it did take 1/2 of the entire British navy to deal with ONE German ship, and even that cost them the Hood—2.5 minutes into the battle BOOM!

Lets see, OPPPS can’t have Bismark crossing the “T” so Hood (largest ship in the fleet) turns broadside AFTER Bismark has bracket her—BRILLIANT.

Is there an allied tank that can take on a Tiger, or a Panther—NNNOOOOoooooo.

OH yes the AK-47 is merely a copy of the German Stg 44.

AHHHH the list goes on—don’t even get to the V-2

[It’sallbsParticipant]

WW2 was a joint effort -no doubt and I have nothing against America although I believe you have been sold a lie with Trump.

I don’t buy all this “special relationship” crap that everyone goes on about all these years.

America got involved because of Pearl Harbour, no other reason.

You did nothing to help us during the Falklands War when Britain was under attack from Argentina using French missiles I might add.

http://www.leavemeansleave.eu

[Anonymous 2]

Thanks Pete.

PistolPete wrote:

Romania certainly took it on the chin—300K casualties and most at the siege of Sevastopol. You guys also had the one and only air ace in history to be an ace for both sides in the same war! WOW!

Just checked out the guy, didn’t know about him.
We are not seen well in Europe for the both sides(treason), but it worked well for us.
The king we had back then who made the decision to change sides against the Germans was in fact of german origin, proving he had his peoples interest at hearth.
Apparently it shortened the war with a few days and saved hundreds of thousands of lives.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Michael%27s_Coup

[PistolPeteParticipant 27143]

It’sallbs wrote:

America got involved because of Pearl Harbor, no other reason.

WRONG again my good friend. Although Roosevelt ran on a platform of staying out of the war in the election campaign of 1940, he pushed the convoy escorts WAY out into the middle of the Atlantic and I might add that it was a US Navy ensign in a PBY Catalina that spotted the Bismark and reported her position to the Royal Navy—technically an act of war.

Roosevelt was like Churchill a German -hater through and through. Let us remember it was Churchill as 1st Lord of the Admiralty that “directed” the Lusitania into hostile waters for the purpose of being torpedoed and drawing the US into WW I…did he care about the lives lost.

You know taking on the islam invasion of Europe is going to take all of us Brits/French/Germans and everyone else cooperating. So get used to idea true Germans reject Merkel, Junkers and the whole EU crap-fest we are your allies like it or not. (Its OK Wellington detested Von Blucher too)

[Anonymous 2]

Looking now at the WW2 air aces.
Sorted after aerial victories, had to scroll a lot to find a non-German ace.
They are very skilled in war.

[PistolPeteParticipant 27143]

Anonymous wrote:

Just checked out the guy, didn’t know about him.
We are not seen well in Europe for the both sides(treason), but it worked well for us.
The king we had back then who made the decision to change sides against the Germans was in fact of german origin, proving he had his peoples interest at hearth.
Apparently it shortened the war with a few days and saved hundreds of thousands of lives.

Although Oberst Hans Rudel gives Romanians a bad rap in his book, I don’t buy it. The Russians were nearing the Dnieper and clearly Germany was going to lose, only an idiot like Hitler would expect allies to go down in flames with him…so you guys didn’t buy into Ragnarok Good for you.

King Carol was a joke, and I think “red dog” Antonescue might be nuts but I have always had a sneaking admiration for your Great Captain Codreanu

[PistolPeteParticipant 27143]

Check out Constantin Cantacuzino

[Anonymous 2]

PistolPete wrote:

Although Oberst Hans Rudel gives Romanians a bad rap in his book, I don’t buy it. The Russians were nearing the Dnieper and clearly Germany was going to lose, only an idiot like Hitler would expect allies to go down in flames with him…so you guys didn’t buy into Ragnarok Good for you.

King Carol was a joke, and I think “red dog” Antonescue might be nuts but I have always had a sneaking admiration for your Great Captain Codreanu

I’m amazed by how much military and historical knowledge you have.
It’s a great advantage in evaluating current events and what is really going on.

Found new things to research in your posts.
Just looked at Constantin Cantacuzino, never heard of him, although he’s from a well known noble family.
He’s the ace you were talking about.

Captain Codreanu is silently held as a national hero, media paints him badly, but everyone keeps him in high regard.
You are not alone in admiring him.

[BobarioParticipant 96]

We Brits will always be eternally grateful to the US Navy for winning the Battle of Britain and causing Hitler to invade Russia. Especially since they did it prior to any formal declaration of war.

[It’sallbsParticipant]

PistolPete wrote:

So get used to idea true Germans reject Merke

I know. many countries in Europe are more Eurosceptic than Britain but the media leis and says the opposite.

As for the entire Nutcase Whahbist terrorism sponsored by Saudi Arabia why are we still selling them £3.3 billion of Arms whhcc they use to bomb the fcuk out of Yemen whilst funding extremist mosques in Britain.

The illuminati (if you want to call them that) want a want a war because it is good for business.

9/11… inside job? -Probably.

Blair told a lie and fake documents about WMD….yet walks free with us paying for his securtiy.

Whilst Assange , Snowdon etecc are hiding

http://www.leavemeansleave.eu

[It’sallbsParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

– 1995 NATO bombing campaign in Bosnia and Herzegovina
– 1999 NATO bombing of Yugoslavia

If you look at that situation and the ethnic cleansing that went on and you look at how various people were and are connected and look at the EU.

The EU is teh 4th reich.

http://www.leavemeansleave.eu

[It’sallbsParticipant]

PistolPete wrote:

Although I deeply respect Britain and I’m just kind of poking Itsallbs let us remember the first jet fighter—Germany, ME 262 first flight 1939; and it did take 1/2 of the entire British navy to deal with ONE German ship, and even that cost them the Hood—2.5 minutes into the battle BOOM!

Lets see, OPPPS can’t have Bismark crossing the “T” so Hood (largest ship in the fleet) turns broadside AFTER Bismark has bracket her—BRILLIANT.

Is there an allied tank that can take on a Tiger, or a Panther—NNNOOOOoooooo.

OH yes the AK-47 is merely a copy of the German Stg 44.

AHHHH the list goes on—don’t even get to the V-2

Yes but taht is Britain and particularly Englan we are hard as fcuk even when we odn’t have enough money and resurces and inferiro weaponry. YOu know in Irag they sent are soldiers inw ith rifles and radios taht did not work properly.

Duringteh fAlklands (when are 2allies” abandoned us) we used the Vulcan to bomb the runway at Port Stanley using old technology that they had in ww2. The vulcan fleet carried our nuclear weapons before we move d it to subs.

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[It’sallbsParticipant]

Oh an by the way Pistol stop selling is s~~~ plane staht don’t work. The F35 is garbage.

I’d rather have afcukin25 year old GR4 Torndao or a load more tYphoons.

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[It’sallbsParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

Looking now at the WW2 air aces.
Sorted after aerial victories, had to scroll a lot to find a non-German ace.
They are very skilled in war.

Have you not heard of the battle of Britain?

We have the best fighter pilots in the world https://youtu.be/gim6O9FtxJ4

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