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    The US and an Evolving NATO Alliance

    Thanks to Dr. G. Friedman and J L Shapiro at Mauldin Economics for the material.

    it is not the intention of this current post to focus on he legitimacy of NATO. The information below considers the current contributory status of the alliance.

    US Secretary of Defense James Mattis met with defense ministers from other NATO member countries in Brussels on 15th Feb. 2017. The meeting was closed to the public, but some of Mattis’s comments were released to the media. “America will meet its responsibilities, but if your nations do not want to see America moderate its commitment to this alliance, each of your capitals needs to show its support for our common defense.” He added, “America cannot care more for your children’s security than you do.”

    The previous US administration criticized NATO at times but in such a way that the complaint was never taken seriously. The new administration cannot afford for this demand to not be taken seriously. From a US strategic view, the status quo is unacceptable.

    After Mattis’s closed-door meeting with defense ministers, NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg said at a press conference, “This is not the US telling Europe to increase defense spending. This is 28 allies, heads of states and governments sitting around the same table in 2014, and looking into each other’s eyes and agreeing that we shall increase defense spending.”

    The NATO Secretary-General’s analysis is wrong. This is the US telling Europe to increase its defense spending. There will be a tangible change in NATO member states’ behavior, or there will be a tangible change in US support for NATO. If the second scenario takes shape, NATO will be replaced by a greater emphasis on important bilateral relationships.

    The Definition of an Alliance

    NATO was created to be a defense alliance to meet the threat of a now defunct Soviet Union. However the alliance has persisted and grown militarily and politically in search of a non-existent enemy. The reason was clear – defence spending. This made sense at one time but in a Europe desperately in need of financial salvation a priority for NATO is a folly most governments would not embrace for fear of political retribution.

    Defense requires military forces. Alliance means deploying those forces to protect or support an ally. Alliances usually involve countries with varying power and capabilities, some weak and some strong. This is to be expected. But sharing the burden is also expected in an alliance. Each partner gives what it can for the greater good.

    By all these measures, NATO is not currently a coherent alliance. It is instead a collection of states disproportionately dependent on the US for security guarantees. This arrangement is significantly less valuable to the US than an alliance.

    Mattis has called attention to an unpleasant truth: NATO military capabilities are not adequate due to the over-dependence on the US military complex since the fall of the Soviet Union.

    This lack of capability can be attributed to three factors: the disproportionate level of NATO members’ defense spending, the decline in NATO members’ defense spending over the last seven years, and the unequal sharing of the alliance’s burdens relative to individual members’ resources.

    NATO is not currently a traditional military alliance. It is a list of 27 countries the US has agreed to defend.


    https://geopoliticalfutures.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/nato-defense-expenditures-v2-1.png

    The chart above starts at the simplest level. Not all NATO members spend a similar amount on defense. NATO estimates that alliance members’ defense expenditures totaled $918.3 billion in 2016. More than 70% of that spending came from the United States. The US spends 2.5 times more on defense than all other NATO member states combined


    https://geopoliticalfutures.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/nato-defense.png

    The data in the table above are taken directly from NATO’s own figures and show the problem from a different angle. Defense expenditures as a percentage of each individual ally’s GDP (including the US) have been decreasing steadily. Some claim this decline only began after the 2008 financial crisis. This is not true.

    Only eight countries increased spending as a percent of GDP from 2005 to 2008. As the chart above shows, these increases were small. In 2006, NATO states agreed at a summit in Riga that all members should spend 2% of GDP on defense. In that year, six countries met that threshold: Bulgaria, France, Greece, Turkey, the UK, and the US. In 2016, only five countries met this threshold: Estonia, Greece, Poland, the UK, and the US.

    “Reaffirming a commitment” is code for not having fulfilled a previous promise and insisting this time will be different. Promises lose their worth when they have been broken in the past. A decade is a long enough time to wait for an ally to live up to a promise. And 18 years is an unreasonable amount of time in the eyes of the United States’ military industrial complex.

    Since 2001 the US has exhausted its currency, its soldiers and its ability to wage war alone. Today it is clear the US cannot fight wars and defend NATO’s varied interests with promises. The US now cannot honor commitments unconditionally.

    The US faces a broad array of conventional and non-conventional challenges in different parts of the world by the very nature of empire building, and this makes having dependable allies and vassals a crucial part of US strategy.

    Relative Defense Spending


    https://geopoliticalfutures.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/nato-expenditures-768×727.png

    Not all NATO members are created equal. For example, Croatia is never going to spend an equal amount on defense as the United States. But even when factoring in the size of the US, it spends significantly more on defense than other members. As the chart above shows, the US accounts for about 50% of NATO members’ total GDP and 32% of their total population—and yet the US makes up about 72% of defense spending.

    There is only one country that spends a proportionate share on defense based on its share of overall GDP and population: the United Kingdom. The US contributes far more than its share. Every other NATO country spends less relative to its economic activity or its population. Western European countries (excluding the UK) account for 31% of NATO members’ GDP and 33% of their population, and yet they contribute 16% to NATO members’ total defense spending.

    Eastern European countries, which account for 4.2% of NATO members’ GDP and 12.7% of their population, are much poorer and smaller than Western European countries. Eastern Europe contributes 2.7% to defense spending. In effect, Eastern Europe contributes closer to its share than its far wealthier and stronger neighbors to the west.

    The US has asked for help in the past and hasn’t gotten it. The US is now demanding help. NATO member states face a serious choice over whether to give the US this help. The US wants NATO meetings to be gatherings of officials from 28 allies sitting around a table, each clear-eyed about the alliance’s goals, and bearing a proportional share of the cost of achieving those goals.

    For the US, that is a measure of success. It is not a description of reality.

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    https://geopoliticalfutures.com/evolving-nato-alliance/

    #448967
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    I believe NATO is doomed because it has caused more problems than it solved. Iraq, Libya, Syria.

    The USSR no longer exists. And Germany won’t pay it’s 2% due to the EU army.

    We really should make friends with Russia against Germany.

    http://www.leavemeansleave.eu

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    If NATO is so important why did Raegon stay neutral during teh FAlklands. british territory ahd been atatcked by Argentina.

    http://www.leavemeansleave.eu

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    The European portion of NATO alone has nearly 4X the population of Russia, and even a greater multiple of GDP compared to Russia.

    Exactly why does the US need to spend ANYTHING defending Europe?

    Oh, never mind. So Europeans can spend more money on their socialist programs and say how wonderful they are compared to the US.

    All my life I've had doubts about who I am, where I belonged. Now I'm like the arrow that springs from the bow. No hesitation, no doubts. The path is clear. And what are you? Alive. Everything else is negotiable. Women have rights; men have responsibilities; MGTOW have freedom. Marriage is for chumps. If someone stands in the way of true justice, you simply walk up behind them and stab them in the heart-R'as al Ghul.

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    NATO will fall when the US evetually pulls out – this will happen as a result of economics or other military commitments that may be more beneficial to the US.

    That is why bitch Merkel is working in haste on an EU army. Germany knows that without the US backing it the days of top -dog status in Europe are over. A Fourth Reich if you like.

    #448980
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    Teh Eu army already exists moe or less. Of cause the BBC et al laughed and mocked leave cmapaigners about teh Eu army…

    http://www.leavemeansleave.eu

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    Interesting how the analysis always turns on $$$ as if the amount of money spent translates directly into military capability. It does not. What was Afghanistan’s military budget? A fraction of the US and a fraction of the USSR yet they beat us both.

    Long past time for NATO to dissolve—seriously in the event of a war can you imagine the logistics of coordinating the forces of all these countries into some kind of cogently lead fighting force—FORGET IT!

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    http://www.leavemeansleave.eu

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    Long past time for NATO to dissolve—seriously in the event of a war can you imagine the logistics of coordinating the forces of all these countries into some kind of cogently lead fighting force—FORGET IT!

    Agreed. NATO’s open secret to take on Russia (made up by a few inept neo-cons) in Ukraine fell flat. There is nowhere for NATO to go and no money to maintain it anyway. If Trump doesn’t get his way he may just do what he says he’ll do and pull out.

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    President Trump has presented a simple plan. Either the other NATO member nations pay their share, including back dues, or President Trump will have the U.S. military pull out of the other NATO member nations.

    For decades the American people have been forced to pay for the defense of much of the rest of the world. Now the bill has come due and President Trump is presenting that bill to the other nations of the world.

    #448997
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    Fritz know we’d fcuk them up that’s why they need an eu army.

    http://www.leavemeansleave.eu

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    Trump to Europe—Pay up or shut up. I can’t wait to see what will happen in these socialist countries when they have to carry their own load and won’t have all that extra cash for “social” programs. Yes when the funds dry up so will the generosity of the state. then the s~~~ will really hit the fan!

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    Trump to Europe—Pay up or shut up. I can’t wait to see what will happen in these socialist countries when they have to carry their own load and won’t have all that extra cash for “social” programs. Yes when the funds dry up so will the generosity of the state. then the s~~~ will really hit the fan!

    It gets better.

    Besides economic reasons. The reason the unelected EU government s~~~s a brick thinking about possibly both the UK and France deciding to pull out of the EU is because the UK and France are two of the five major nuclear powers in the world.

    The other three major nuclear powers are the U.S., China, and Russia. The EU government has done a lot to upset these three nations.

    So while the EU government is in the process of losing control of two major nuclear powers, they have antagonized the other three major nuclear powers.

    #449017
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    Britain on it’s own and France on it’s own without nuclear would kick Germany’s ass.

    Hope for a LePen victory.

    http://www.leavemeansleave.eu

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    I think this ultimatum will lead to the dissolution of NATO, and I say good riddance. Time for America to stop being the world police. Time to focus on on our issues.

    Fuck bitches... literally and metaphorically

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    I think this ultimatum will lead to the dissolution of NATO, and I say good riddance. Time for America to stop being the world police. Time to focus on on our issues.

    Spot on ,same with Britain. We can’t afford it.

    http://www.leavemeansleave.eu

    #449035
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    Spot on ,same with Britain. We can’t afford it.

    I do see Britain as a valuable ally though. Hopefully we can maintain this camaraderie. We sure as hell could use your help to combat all the world cancer i.e. feminism, Islam, and globalism.

    Fuck bitches... literally and metaphorically

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    Britain on it’s own and France on it’s own without nuclear would kick Germany’s ass.

    Not likely, Britain and France failed twice in a row–In fact France is 0-3, they haven’t won against the Germans since Napoleon. Had it not been for the US and Russia You’d be speaking German right now.

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    Britain on it’s own and France on it’s own without nuclear would kick Germany’s ass.

    Not likely, Britain and France failed twice in a row–In fact France is 0-3, they haven’t won against the Germans since Napoleon. Had it not been for the US and Russia You’d be speaking German right now.

    That was teh the 1940s. are military firepower far out weighs Germany’s now.

    We could build new vehicles and munitions fats enough and we ere running out of money. That was the problem we had.

    They use to go and cut down people’s railings out side their houses to melt for metal to build planes with.

    Plus we only had and have a relatively small population.

    If you walk round an old British town or village you can see where the metal was cut off in the stone.

    You only got involved because the Japanese blew up Pearl Harbour which was why we didn’t tell you it was going to happen.

    We needed your money it really is that simple.

    You’ll be familiar with the lendlease agreement.

    Of course British officialdom will deny that we knew.

    As for Russia I have never bought into all the fearmongering about them.

    Nato promised to not push any further eats an did just that continually bating Russia.

    You really shoudl make friends with them.

    http://www.leavemeansleave.eu

    #449049
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    I want a balanced budget and I want all of these taxes over the last century that were suppose to be temporary to end. If government can’t figure out how to pay for itself then we don’t need it. Including NATO.

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