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I believe in God and the Bible. OP, aside from masturbation have you essentially sworn yourself to celibacy for the rest of your life? I’ve had that dilemma for a while, and since sex outside of marriage is a sin, I’ve concluded that sex of any kind is no longer on the table for me. Thoughts?
No I haven’t sworn myself to celibacy. Women and the state have rendered marriage too dangerous for men so it’s not an option. when I was a kid, women seemed normal to me. When they got to 3rd wave feminism they’ve turned themselves into scorpions. In my experience they are the scorpion in the parable of the frog and the scorpion. It is their nature and this is the way they are without any constraints.
Get married to a fleshlight. Private ceremony at home.
No one ever caught a disease or got divorce raped from a fleshlight.
And because the fleshlight is now technically your ‘wife’ you got out due to a legal loophole, you’re not masturbating – you’re making love to your wife – the fleshlight.
I spit my coffee out over that one, thanks. You don’t even have to spend a fortune on shiny worthless s~~~ so the fleshlight can show it off to other fleshlights.
OK. I am an atheist and retired medical librarian. Let me first address the medical issues and the religious stuff later. These sources are not cures but are just things that might interest you and you can search the Internet for more information.
Here is a link to the Pauling Rath Unified Theory of Cardiovascular Disease.
http://orthomolecular.org/library/jom/1992/pdf/1992-v07n01-p005.pdf
The point is that humans, unlike most animals, have lost the gene to make ascorbic acid, commonly known as vitamin C. Pauling and Rath indicate that ascorbic acid is essential in collagen formation that keeps arteries in good condition. The body patches leaks in the arteries with cholesterol and other materials leading to arteriosclerosis. Note that the veins do not become clogged with arteriosclerotic plaques.
Here is a link to Amazon on Rath’s book on animals, humans, and heart disease.
The New England Journal of Medicine in 1997 showed that those who had bypass surgery did not appear to do much better statistically than those who did not. There is the pain involved with surgery, possible brain damage. This might no longer be true. Surgery might be necessary in severe cases. My brother had two bypass operations and less than 7 ½ months after the second he died of an heart attack so fast he did not even take his hands out of his pockets to break the fall.
Here is another link to Amazon for the book by Charles McGee called Heart Frauds. Read the description and reviews. The book deals with the medical world and heart disease.
Used books are available on Amazon.com. Walgreen Drugs sells Amazon gift cards. I have no connection to any of the above. It is just things that might interest you and spur further research.
Thanks, I’ll check it out.
Thanks, I’ll check it out.
Concerning the medical sources I cited, you are wise to do so. Pauling and Rath’s findings are based upon science, so don’t ignore them. They won’t cure you, but they might stabilize your condition.
Also later, check out the others sources concerning religion. There is another older 1941 book by Wendell Johnson, People in Quandaries, that explains how people get themselves into trouble by not understanding that “the map (word) is not the territory (reality).” Kodish’s book is just a more modern update of Johnson and Irving Lee. Both books, along with de Mello, Parrish, and the Radcliffs, explain that a WORD, memory, or imaginative fantasy is not REALITY.
Before any discussion about a theistic religion begins, the theist must describe or explain precisely what is meant by the term “God” or “Deity” or whatever. One cannot assume that others understand their meaning. As Smith explains, this is not a simple problem. de Mello was a Jesuit priest, and I suggest that you also read his two books that were cited. Note how in the posts that many entries here assume that there is no need to define the term God, that everyone just “knows” what it means. It is not their fault, because few people are ever challenged to define or explain the term “God,” so they don’t realize the difficulty and contradictions that result.
Before I begin I am aware of the position of atheists. While this is not directed at you your opinions are welcome.
I am Catholic and there aren’t many Catholic MGTOW I’m assuming. I am going to bring this dilemma to several priests because I am curious what their opinion is on this and it is the biggest deal in my life.
According to the Catholic Church sex belongs in one place, a marriage between one man and one women. If you step outside of this bounds you are sinning and will be condemned to hell since it is a mortal sin. If you masturbate it is a mortal sin and hell but there is a minor caveate that it may not be a mortal sin based on force of habit. Mine began at 12. Priests supposedly offer their sexuality to God, and it obviously doesn’t work for many hence pedophilia, and homosexuality. I was not called to be a Priest.
I no longer see marriage as viable due to the current state of women and misandric laws instituted by rabid feminists. It is the worst contract a man can enter.
That leaves us with the only option which is to resist what is for humans the biological imperative to relieve the urge to have sex. For most men it is an irresistible urge that leads to ever deeper levels of shame, and guilt for Christians when we fap, and usually deeper down the rabbit hole of hardcore pornography. Is there free will over biological drives? Food, water, air, and sex. I’m not convinced there is. On the first 3 no. but that is what the Church expects with sex unless you want marriage. F~~~ that!
Now you can confess masturbation and receive absolution but you are only supposed to confess if you intend to not commit the sin again. Whose zooming who? It’s biology and we all know it is going to happen again. I won’t get close enough to a woman ever again to have sex and that’s why I’m addressing masturbation.
I am a loner and have been most of my life. I was social in my 20’s, but burned out on the general s~~~tiness of people, especially women and started retreating in my 30’s. Besides it’s normally women who make you part of the group. After my ex tried to murder me for life insurance it was a done deal… I’m out.
Just letting go of God is not an option because the consequences are so dire. I’ve listened to tons of debates with Harris, Dawkins, Shermer, Lennox, William Lane Craig etc. I am not convinced that atheism is true because the existence of God is a philosophical question not an empirical one, but is tackled by empiricist’s who more often than not dismiss philosophy. The empirical method only applies to the material universe, and observable reality. According to Suskind we are a 3 dimensional hologram projected from a 2 dimensional universe. That begs the question why is there a projection and what is the mechanism of projection? The math works great. If mathematics is going that far out there to explain reality why would reality be confined to this universe, or even a multiverse, More of something doesn’t account for it’s existence. I think the multiverse, blind forces, and Darwin have provided a convenient way out for many minds, just not this one.
God, by nature according to most Catholic theologians is not a material being but simple meaning not divisible into parts, and is a pure unrestricted mind which can’t be contained by anything including the material universe. The multiverse is also material.
We all predicate our lives on one of two assumptions, God is or isn’t which leaves us with eternal consequences for which direction we proceed based on our perception of that reality.
I am trying to figure this out because I’m almost 60, have had one MI, a stent, diabetic, and have less than 30% kidney function and aware that death could come at any moment. I have a tendency to retreat into substance abuse because of this, and it’s f~~~ing depressing.
I have been living as a functional atheist because of my anger towards God for creating me as a sexual being. I clearly have to choose something different at this point if I’m going to get to heaven if it exists because I no longer go to church and I can’t let go of God. Talking about this on Catholic forums usually results in female shaming and suggestions of adherence to Church teaching and prayer and fasting to conquer urges which has not worked for me in the long run. This is my roadblock and keeps me from even trying anymore.
I have been tortured by this since my 20’s. The longest I was able to go no fap was a month and a half. I want out of this box because I never asked to be in it in the first place. Unfortunately for me existence wasn’t optional. I have been living with a f~~~ it attitude with an increasing sense of foreboding about death. Watching the world become more and more like the end times paradigm of the Bible only increases the sense of foreboding. I have tears as I type this, but if nothing else it is cathartic. Thanks for listening.
Long time lurker, but first time posting to this forum. I will write out an introduction sometime soon, but as a Christian, I felt compelled to reply to your post. I will try to reply to this as best I can, but for the sake of brevity I will try to keep this as simple as possible, as entire books can be and have been written about this sort of topic. Just keep in mind that it is being written from a strongly Christian perspective and as a simple layman, so your mileage may vary insofar as whether you believe any of this or not.
Contemporary Christianity (and especially Catholicism), as a religion, is way too focused on the sin aspect of human behavior. Don’t get me wrong, good behavior is important, but has very little to do with salvation and a personal relationship with God. There is only one sin that condemns a person to Hell (i.e. separation from God) and that sin is UNBELIEF. Every sin committed (no matter how terrible) by every person throughout human history had their sins forgiven at the Cross with the crucifixion of Jesus. That being said, in order to get out from the sin of UNBELIEF in this day and age, one has to appropriate that salvation through faith in the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
This profession of faith is best encapsulated in the book of Corinthians, Chapter 15, verses 1-4: Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you — unless you believed in vain. For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures.
If you truly believe this in your heart, then you are saved and brought into the Body of Christ (which is in no way related to what denomination you belong to). Therefore, you would be in no danger of Hell. No matter what sins you will commit in your life, they are washed in the blood of Christ and are forever forgiven. If sins committed and good works were the measure of salvation, then no person who was ever lived would be safe, for we all fall FAR short of the glory of God. Salvation is achieved through FAITH + NOTHING.
Too many people believe that by following The Law (the ten commandments along with various other things), that they will go to Heaven. This is not the case. The Law cannot save anyone, it can only condemn us and show us what sin is. Christ fulfilled The Law through his death, burial, and resurrection, and as such we as Christians are not subject to it anymore. On a side note, Jesus hated legalism. Just read the Gospel accounts of his dealings with the Pharisees to get a good idea about how Jesus felt about legalism.
Just keep in mind that once this faith is achieved, then good works can come of it, but those good works are not done to achieve salvation, rather they are done out of love and thanksgiving for said salvation. Also, said grace is not a license to commit sin. Invariably, we as human beings are going to commit many sins (i.e. f~~~ up often), the key is realizing when we f~~~ up and trying to do better in the future.
On a personal note, while any sin committed is not good, I wouldn’t consider masturbation (if you are going to consider it a sin) to be anything worth worrying too much about. It is a natural biological function, and honestly is probably doing more to prevent much worse sins in your life. While any sin is not good, we as human beings are going to commit them (and do so often). Sometimes all that we can do is to pick our battles and try to minimize the amount of damage that we do to ourselves and others.
I hope that this reply is helpful to you in some manner. There is a good deal more that I could say about this matter, but I am trying to keep things relatively brief and concise. Good luck to you in working out this situation.
keep it coming.
Before I begin I am aware of the position of atheists. While this is not directed at you your opinions are welcome.
I am Catholic and there aren’t many Catholic MGTOW I’m assuming. I am going to bring this dilemma to several priests because I am curious what their opinion is on this and it is the biggest deal in my life.
According to the Catholic Church sex belongs in one place, a marriage between one man and one women. If you step outside of this bounds you are sinning and will be condemned to hell since it is a mortal sin. If you masturbate it is a mortal sin and hell but there is a minor caveate that it may not be a mortal sin based on force of habit. Mine began at 12. Priests supposedly offer their sexuality to God, and it obviously doesn’t work for many hence pedophilia, and homosexuality. I was not called to be a Priest.
I no longer see marriage as viable due to the current state of women and misandric laws instituted by rabid feminists. It is the worst contract a man can enter.
That leaves us with the only option which is to resist what is for humans the biological imperative to relieve the urge to have sex. For most men it is an irresistible urge that leads to ever deeper levels of shame, and guilt for Christians when we fap, and usually deeper down the rabbit hole of hardcore pornography. Is there free will over biological drives? Food, water, air, and sex. I’m not convinced there is. On the first 3 no. but that is what the Church expects with sex unless you want marriage. F~~~ that!
Now you can confess masturbation and receive absolution but you are only supposed to confess if you intend to not commit the sin again. Whose zooming who? It’s biology and we all know it is going to happen again. I won’t get close enough to a woman ever again to have sex and that’s why I’m addressing masturbation.
I am a loner and have been most of my life. I was social in my 20’s, but burned out on the general s~~~tiness of people, especially women and started retreating in my 30’s. Besides it’s normally women who make you part of the group. After my ex tried to murder me for life insurance it was a done deal… I’m out.
Just letting go of God is not an option because the consequences are so dire. I’ve listened to tons of debates with Harris, Dawkins, Shermer, Lennox, William Lane Craig etc. I am not convinced that atheism is true because the existence of God is a philosophical question not an empirical one, but is tackled by empiricist’s who more often than not dismiss philosophy. The empirical method only applies to the material universe, and observable reality. According to Suskind we are a 3 dimensional hologram projected from a 2 dimensional universe. That begs the question why is there a projection and what is the mechanism of projection? The math works great. If mathematics is going that far out there to explain reality why would reality be confined to this universe, or even a multiverse, More of something doesn’t account for it’s existence. I think the multiverse, blind forces, and Darwin have provided a convenient way out for many minds, just not this one.
God, by nature according to most Catholic theologians is not a material being but simple meaning not divisible into parts, and is a pure unrestricted mind which can’t be contained by anything including the material universe. The multiverse is also material.
We all predicate our lives on one of two assumptions, God is or isn’t which leaves us with eternal consequences for which direction we proceed based on our perception of that reality.
I am trying to figure this out because I’m almost 60, have had one MI, a stent, diabetic, and have less than 30% kidney function and aware that death could come at any moment. I have a tendency to retreat into substance abuse because of this, and it’s f~~~ing depressing.
I have been living as a functional atheist because of my anger towards God for creating me as a sexual being. I clearly have to choose something different at this point if I’m going to get to heaven if it exists because I no longer go to church and I can’t let go of God. Talking about this on Catholic forums usually results in female shaming and suggestions of adherence to Church teaching and prayer and fasting to conquer urges which has not worked for me in the long run. This is my roadblock and keeps me from even trying anymore.
I have been tortured by this since my 20’s. The longest I was able to go no fap was a month and a half. I want out of this box because I never asked to be in it in the first place. Unfortunately for me existence wasn’t optional. I have been living with a f~~~ it attitude with an increasing sense of foreboding about death. Watching the world become more and more like the end times paradigm of the Bible only increases the sense of foreboding. I have tears as I type this, but if nothing else it is cathartic. Thanks for listening.
Long time lurker, but first time posting to this forum. I will write out an introduction sometime soon, but as a Christian, I felt compelled to reply to your post. I will try to reply to this as best I can, but for the sake of brevity I will try to keep this as simple as possible, as entire books can be and have been written about this sort of topic. Just keep in mind that it is being written from a strongly Christian perspective and as a simple layman, so your mileage may vary insofar as whether you believe any of this or not.
Contemporary Christianity (and especially Catholicism), as a religion, is way too focused on the sin aspect of human behavior. Don’t get me wrong, good behavior is important, but has very little to do with salvation and a personal relationship with God. There is only one sin that condemns a person to Hell (i.e. separation from God) and that sin is UNBELIEF. Every sin committed (no matter how terrible) by every person throughout human history had their sins forgiven at the Cross with the crucifixion of Jesus. That being said, in order to get out from the sin of UNBELIEF in this day and age, one has to appropriate that salvation through faith in the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
This profession of faith is best encapsulated in the book of Corinthians, Chapter 15, verses 1-4: Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you — unless you believed in vain. For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures.
If you truly believe this in your heart, then you are saved and brought into the Body of Christ (which is in no way related to what denomination you belong to). Therefore, you would be in no danger of Hell. No matter what sins you will commit in your life, they are washed in the blood of Christ and are forever forgiven. If sins committed and good works were the measure of salvation, then no person who was ever lived would be safe, for we all fall FAR short of the glory of God. Salvation is achieved through FAITH + NOTHING.
Too many people believe that by following The Law (the ten commandments along with various other things), that they will go to Heaven. This is not the case. The Law cannot save anyone, it can only condemn us and show us what sin is. Christ fulfilled The Law through his death, burial, and resurrection, and as such we as Christians are not subject to it anymore. On a side note, Jesus hated legalism. Just read the Gospel accounts of his dealings with the Pharisees to get a good idea about how Jesus felt about legalism.
Just keep in mind that once this faith is achieved, then good works can come of it, but those good works are not done to achieve salvation, rather they are done out of love and thanksgiving for said salvation. Also, said grace is not a license to commit sin. Invariably, we as human beings are going to commit many sins (i.e. f~~~ up often), the key is realizing when we f~~~ up and trying to do better in the future.
On a personal note, while any sin committed is not good, I wouldn’t consider masturbation (if you are going to consider it a sin) to be anything worth worrying too much about. It is a natural biological function, and honestly is probably doing more to prevent much worse sins in your life. While any sin is not good, we as human beings are going to commit them (and do so often). Sometimes all that we can do is to pick our battles and try to minimize the amount of damage that we do to ourselves and others.
I hope that this reply is helpful to you in some manner. There is a good deal more that I could say about this matter, but I am trying to keep things relatively brief and concise. Good luck to you in working out this situation.
No offense, but Catholics are full of s~~~. I’m not saying God doesn’t exist, but most of what Catholics believe is NOT supported by the Bible
The bible is full of s~~~ as well so don’t get anyone started down this dark road before i pull out the passages about God commanding the rape of little girls (while violently killing everyone else), the parts where God lets a man kill 42 kids for insulting his baldness or the command that God demands us cut the foreskins of little boys and the story where David kills 200 Philistines so he can cut off their foreskins just so the king would give him his daughters ass.
So which path are you gonna take? the path to peace or the path to debate?
I can go either way. I do like to get to the truth.
QeeQo
I’m Catholic and MGTOW–it really isn’t as hard as you’re making it. Now I’m not going to waste your time or mine responding to the guys on the thread who chose to just attack the religion without involving serious analysis or offering something constructive. Nor an I going to re-hash the Protestant reformation So lets look at some truth:
Our faith is based upon the teachings of Jesus and the Bible, the priesthood was established by Jesus, but the daily functions of doctrine/dogma are in fact human creations. The orthodoxy of Jesus is very simple: Love God and forgive everyone…the end. Yet the church has thousands of laws and regulations etc. Jesus didn’t pen this stuff, but it WAS penned by individuals under the auspices of authority conferred by Jesus.
Yes the church encourages marriage and frowns on sex out of marriage. But they know it happens. I think you misunderstand confession. Absolution is premised upon the promise and intention not to sin again BUT the flip side is that God knows you WILL sin again because that is our nature and it is why God NEVER withholds forgiveness. Do you have any idea how many times I’ve had to confess using G-D something? and absolution is premised upon me recognizing it is wrong and TRYING not to do so in the future…but every week there I am with the same old sin again.
I have found prayer is very effective. If you need help just ask–you will get it.
I will read this a few times. Thanks
God made you horny and then punishes you for jerking off.
That’s pretty much how that mental diarrhea has been sitting in my brain
Really.QeeQo
I’m Catholic and MGTOW–it really isn’t as hard as you’re making it. Now I’m not going to waste your time or mine responding to the guys on the thread who chose to just attack the religion without involving serious analysis or offering something constructive. Nor an I going to re-hash the Protestant reformation So lets look at some truth:
Our faith is based upon the teachings of Jesus and the Bible, the priesthood was established by Jesus, but the daily functions of doctrine/dogma are in fact human creations. The orthodoxy of Jesus is very simple: Love God and forgive everyone…the end. Yet the church has thousands of laws and regulations etc. Jesus didn’t pen this stuff, but it WAS penned by individuals under the auspices of authority conferred by Jesus.
Yes the church encourages marriage and frowns on sex out of marriage. But they know it happens. I think you misunderstand confession. Absolution is premised upon the promise and intention not to sin again BUT the flip side is that God knows you WILL sin again because that is our nature and it is why God NEVER withholds forgiveness. Do you have any idea how many times I’ve had to confess using G-D something? and absolution is premised upon me recognizing it is wrong and TRYING not to do so in the future…but every week there I am with the same old sin again.
I have found prayer is very effective. If you need help just ask–you will get it.
Perhaps an example of God’s limitless forgiveness would be helpful.
I offered this example to my local church the week the reading was the parable of the workers in the garden but they rejected it as too controversial.
Rudolf Hoess was born into a Swabian Catholic family. In fact his family wanted him to become a priest. Early in his teens he left the church…reason? A priest violated the sanctity of the confessional and “told” on him to his parents. Fortunately WWI rolled around about that time and Hoess joined the Imperial Army–served with distinction, at one time he was the youngest NCO in the entire Army.
After the war he bounced around the various political parties and eventually hooked up with Martin Boremann and became a nazi. To make a long story short by 1940 he became the commandant of Auschwitz, by 1943 he became the inspector of all extermination camps. (Like Eichmann he was never promoted beyond Obersturmbannfuher (Lt. Col) even though he had massive responsibilities. Hitler would only promote an SS officer to full colonel or above if that officer had held a combat command position in the field) But I digress.
Shortly after the war ended Hoess was captured and tried for war crimes. Once convicted he was compelled to write an auto-biography, which by the way is a very interesting read. A week before he was hanged he returned to the faith. He engaged in the sacrament of confession and received communion. He also penned a blurb carried by all the newspapers in Poland in which he accepted responsibility for his actions, recognized they were wrong and asked for forgiveness. (I suspect that was his penance)
So they hang the guy. Question were all his sins absolved by God before his death? You betcha. Now if God can forgive a guy responsible for the murder of millions what could you possibly do that could not be forgiven?
Unless we know what is meant by the term “God,” most likely the Christian or Hebrew god in this case, there is no point in arguing about whether its religion is valid. What precisely do you mean by “God” with reference to the Hebrew or Christian one? How is it defined or what are its attributes, characteristics, powers, etc. This is not a simple problem that can be avoided by assuming that everyone agrees with its existence without knowing WHAT it is that they must agree with.
Edited and abbreviated article from: The Critical Thinking Community
This article was adapted from the book, Critical Thinking: Tools for Taking Charge of Your Learning and Your Life, by Richard Paul and Linda Elder.
Distinguishing Between Inferences and Assumptions
To be skilled in critical thinking is to be able to take one’s thinking apart systematically, to analyze each part, assess it for quality and then improve it. The first step in this process is understanding the parts of thinking, or elements of reasoning.
These elements are: purpose, question, information, inference, assumption, point of view, concepts, and implications. They are present in the mind whenever we reason. To take command of our thinking, we need to formulate both our purpose and the question at issue clearly. We need to use information in our thinking that is both relevant to the question we are dealing with, and accurate. We need to make logical inferences based on sound assumptions. We need to understand our own point of view and fully consider other relevant viewpoints. We need to use concepts justifiably and follow out the implications of decisions we are considering.
In this article we focus on two of the elements of reasoning: inferences and assumptions. Learning to distinguish inferences from assumptions is an important intellectual skill. Many confuse the two elements. Let us begin with a review of the basic meanings:
1.Inference: An inference is a step of the mind, an intellectual act by which one concludes that something is true in light of something else’s being true, or seeming to be true. If you come at me with a knife in your hand, I probably would infer that you mean to do me harm. Inferences can be accurate or inaccurate, logical or illogical, justified or unjustified.
2.Assumption: An assumption is something we take for granted or presuppose. Usually it is something we previously learned and do not question. It is part of our system of beliefs. We assume our beliefs to be true and use them to interpret the world about us. If our belief is a sound one, our assumption is sound. If our belief is not sound, our assumption is not sound. Beliefs, and hence assumptions, can be unjustified or justified, depending upon whether we do or do not have good reasons for them.
We humans naturally and regularly use our beliefs as assumptions and make inferences based on those assumptions. We must do so to make sense of where we are, what we are about, and what is happening. Assumptions and inferences permeate our lives precisely because we cannot act without them. We make judgments, form interpretations, and come to conclusions based on the beliefs we have formed.
If you put humans in any situation, they start to give it some meaning or other. People automatically make inferences to gain a basis for understanding and action. So quickly and automatically do we make inferences that we do not, without training, notice them as inferences.
The rest of the article is online.
Qeeqo,
I am a 60 year old Catholic who has been dating a 51 year old for over three years. We were celibate for about 6 months then started masturbating each other going to confession; rinse and repeat. But during the last four months I decided that we needed to stop because of the constant guilt of confessing to the priest face to face. She did not like it but has no choice. Thanks to the Catholic Church AND MGTOW, I am firm in my conviction that we will not have any type of sex until married.
Remember, the Catholic Church and Christianity has been around for 2000 years and is the oldest continuous institution in the history of mankind. They have been involved in spiritual and psychological research and development for these many years.
Also, if there is no truth in religion, then feminism is justified in destroying men through marriage because life is just survival of the fittest. If there is no God, then all things are permissible (Dostoevsky). If there is no God in Heaven, then you can do whatever the Hell you want on earth.
I plan to write a short essay that asserts that Christianity is a necessary foundation for MGTOW.
Qeeqo, you said it best when you said that not believing in God has dire consequences. The Twentieth Century, the first atheistic century, led to the slaughter of millions for decades under Stalin, Mao and Hitler. To refut the claim that Hitler was Catholic, under Hitler, there was something called the “Priest Block” in which over 5000 priests were imprisoned in Dachau concentration camp.
The horror of the Twentieth century should cleanse you of any doubt as the certainty and necessity of the Catholic Faith.Since we are the same age, I would assert that your health issues may be the source of your discontent.
As to the claim that masturbation is biological. So is being with a woman. Yet one of the fundamental truths of MGTOW is that we can walk away from the desire to be with women. If so, then we can control ourselves in other areas. As you well know, original sin, which is the only doctrine of the Church that can be seen, is justified if we cannot control our biology.
It is not worth years in purgatory, for pleasure that makes you feel guilty. Qeeqo, we have eternal life and bliss with God, what the Hell else do we need??????
God bless, MichaelI hope my post doesn’t get lost in the torrent.
Reflection on your beliefs is not rebellion against God. In order to “give a good account of your faith,” you must question it. It is the only way to understand it. It is exactly what God wants you to do.
Catholicism is the Microsoft of Christianity. It is amazingly diverse in its attempt to be everything to everybody. Within the church you will find factions way out on opposing extremes as to what the church actually believes and teaches. You have a heaping whole lot more “elbow room” than you realize if all you have ever done is let one single priest give you the low-down.
According to the Vatican 2, atheists go to heaven. I’m not making this up. Do your research, it’s all there.
The official position of Catholicism on the doctrine of hell is called “hopeful universalism.” Google it, you need the facts. Many conservative branches of Catholicism pound you with the never-ending fire, and never bother to mention that Catholic doctrine holds that hell might wind up being completely empty once all is said and done. There is an entire world of Catholic books written about this that I cannot possibly summarize, but it is simply NOT TRUE AT ALL that Catholocism teaches that regular masturbation is a one-way trip to hell.
You don’t want to give up Catholicism, but you don’t want to go insane either. You don’t have to. You just need more education about Catholicism. You owe it to yourself to do your homework. Start here:
It is wise to fear dangerous commitments.
Question were all his sins absolved by God before his death? You betcha. Now if God can forgive a guy responsible for the murder of millions what could you possibly do that could not be forgiven?
What was the proof that ‘God’ had forgiven his sins?
My brother make you no follow sheeple o. Look them and Go Your Way.Dude, thank you, this one really helps. I am going to copy it and use it to remind myself. God can’t be as legalistic as I’ve made Him out to be cause no one would make it if he was. Now I need to delve deeper why David who facilitated murder so he could live in adultry was after God’s own heart.
Glad it is helpful, it is just one of the passages of Scripture that I too am trying to understand in regards to sex & matters of the heart.
Galatians 5:1 (KJV)
5 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
That should also help with the legalistic point you made. ^^
3 John 2King James Version (KJV)
2 Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.
The word ‘wish’ is the Greek word Thelema = It translates as intense passionate desire and will. Links below…
http://biblehub.com/greek/2307.htm
http://www.biblestudytools.com/lexicons/greek/nas/thelema.html
https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?t=kjv&strongs=g2307
Disclaimer: I am an ex catholic atheist. My response has 2 purposes. First, try to help you feel less guilty. I have seen the destructive guilt brought on by Catholicism cause irreparable harm to a family member. One Sunday my sister missed going to church for the first time ever. The next day my older brother died in a car crash. Guess whose fault it was. Screwed her up for years. Second, I shamelessly admit to furthering my own agenda and point out another example of a Catholic WTF moment. I apologize in advance if my comments in brackets detract from the seriousness/accuracy of what actually happened, it’s just that I couldn’t resist adding in observations that relate directly to our MGTOW experiences. If you prefer to read the original article I based this on go here: http://www.stsvladimirandolgacathedral.ca/about-us/history/princess-olga-of-kiev/
In the same vein as PistolPete’s post about how God can forgive someone as evil as Rudolf Hoess I offer this:
Perhaps an example of the Catholic religion’s limitless forgiveness would also be helpful.
Back in 10th century Russia Olga of Kiev married Prince Igor (classic hypergamy) who was the ruler of Kievan Rus. Olga came in to prominence after Prince Igor went to the Slavic tribe of the Drevlyans to gather tributes (get the man to earn a paycheck while she sits at home doing f~~~ all) and after he demanded a much higher payment (maybe to help pay for her jewelry, designer clothes and solid gold kitchen cookware set. Look at her selfie here: http://womenshistory.about.com/od/rulers/ss/Powerful-Women-Rulers-Everyone-Should-Know.htm#step7) the Drevlyans killed him.
Since the next heir to the throne was her 3 yr old son, Olga (unable to collect child support payments from her dead husband) took power into her own hands until their son reached legal age.
The Drevlyans thought it would be a good idea to expand their little empire by sending some matchmakers to propose that Olga marry their Prince Mal therefore merging with and eventually taking over her weakened regime. (They figured she was a single mom and had already hit the wall – she should be all over marring a Sir Chad). The Princess thought about it (probably after a girl’s night out discussing men) and the next morning had the ambassadors buried alive.
The Princess then asked the Drevlyans to send higher ranking ambassadors to her and as soon as they arrived she led them into a bath house to get cleaned up from their journey. She then locked the door and lit it on fire. Soon after that Olga went to the land of the Drevlyans, supposedly to start peace proceedings by having a funeral feast in memory of her murdered husband. After letting all her enemies get drunk during the feast, the governess then ordered them to all be killed “by the Sword”(I guess they fell for her bulls~~~ again because the red pill had not been invented yet). The annals report about five thousand victims in this third act of revenge. The last vengeance took place in the year 946 when Olga traveled around the land of the Drevlyans in order to gather tributes. She besieged the town of Iskorosten, which refused to pay her. According to legend, the Princess asked that each household present her with a pigeon and a dove as a gift. Then she attached burning papers to the legs of the birds and let them fly back to their homes. As a result, the entire town was destroyed by fire. The fleeing townspeople were either massacred or made slaves.Now for the really WTF part. After totally decimating a race of people she found Jesus and converted to Christianity. Due to her efforts to spread Christianity throughout Russia, in 1547 the Roman Catholic Church decided to not just forgive her, they made her a saint and “equal to the apostles”, one of only 5 women to have this status. A Saint? Really? And to prove the Catholic Church has a sense of humor, she was made the patron saint of widows. Double WTF. Widows are supposed to pray to this c~~~? For what? Guidance on how to deal with the loss of a husband?
I think forgiveness is one of the most powerful things a human can do to help attain mental contentment and I am very aware of the importance of God’s forgiveness being the core of the Catholic faith. If St. Olga can be forgiven and even immortalized as a saint then you and several hundred million other male Catholics shouldn’t have to worry about jerking off every once in a while.
Forgot to add this:
I hope my post doesn’t get lost in the torrent.
You don’t want to give up Catholicism, but you don’t want to go insane either. You don’t have to. You just need more education about Catholicism. You owe it to yourself to do your homework
I hope it doesn’t get lost either. What you are suggesting Freedom, if true, might be the best advice in this thread for you qeeqo. There are many interpretations. I hope you can find one that makes sense to you and gives you peace
qeego:
Back to your medical problems.Mitochondria are organelles within the cells of the body that produce the energy or power. Here is a brief explanation.
http://biology.about.com/od/cellanatomy/ss/mitochondria.htmYou can research them on other sites to find more information.
Dr. Bruce Ames, Prof. Emeritus, U. Cal. Berkeley, has done research on aging.
There are are other sites that you can read about him and his research, but here is and introduction.
http://www.lifeextension.com/Magazine/2011/8/Interview-with-Dr-Bruce-Ames/Page-01The alpha-lipoic acid and L-Carnitine that he mentions is available at WalMart. At times they are out, but keep checking or ask them to order it if you are interested.
Also the ratio of Omega-3 to Omega-6 fatty acids appears to be a factor in cellular health. There are websites that explain this.
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