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As much as I hate Karl Marx, his observation that religion is the opiate of the masses is spot on correct.
Out of all his voluminous works, that’s the only thing he got correct.
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Confess it after you near your 80’s since your hormones will be gone then.
A MGTOW is a man who is not a woman's bitch!
So glad that I am an Orthodox christian, no pesky rules and categorizing masturbation as a mortal sin.
Orthodox dogma doesn’t dictate masturbation as a mortal sin, in fact for Orthodox christians a sin is every action that pulls us away from God. In this regard masturbation is seen as a very minor sin when compared to having multiple sexual partners without being married or committing adultery.
Orthodoxy in this regard preaches self control and guides the flock accordingly, there are no set rules in this regard. A priest I once talked with told me to practice self control under the guidance of God but if the urges are uncontrollable then masturbate, its better than the alternatives that will harm both you and someone else.
I’m just a few years younger than you. I was raised Catholic and went to Catholic school with real nuns of the Franciscan order. I’m talking real nuns here. Not make believe liberal sanctuary school teachers of today.
I now understand that I was the most intelligent kid in my class. I figured stuff out faster than the class assignments moved. That meant that I has to spend the majority of my day sitting still, being quiet and doing absolutely nothing. (great training for being a man in corporate world btw). Asking me to be still and quiet was like trying to hold back gravity.
I now understand that the elixir that the nun force fed me with a spoon was probably Ritalin. She moved my desk to butt up against the side of hers. If I moved she would take a ruler and smack my hands. Blood, yes real blood oozes if you are smacked enough.
Why was she the way she was? Because, she wasn’t a nun by choice. Few were. She probably got pregnant as a teen, was shipped off and sent to nun hood for life. All I know is that she was the most miserable person I have experience er encountered. Far surpasses a lazy self righteous liberal feminist. Karma is a bitch. The more she punished me the more pain that she received.
It was at a young age that I came to realize some man made truths. There is no tooth fairy. There is no easter bunny. There is no Santa Claus. These are just traditions that have been passed down through the ages.
You are here. This is heaven or hell. You are not judged at the end of your life as to where you go. You are judged as to where you’ve been.
Believe me when I say that I endured a Franciscan nun for four years. I have seen the eyes of the devil and she is not a happy person.
Masterbation is the least of your worries when living in a world with women.
All men should have one goal and that is to find mental peace and serenity. mgtow for the win my brothers
Peace brothers
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Samuel%2011
^^^King David wanted Uriah’s wife, Bathsheba. In short, David committed adultery with her, and she became pregnant, and then David sent her husband Uriah to the front line of his army to be killed, basically, murdered.
https://gotquestions.org/man-after-God-heart.html
^^^Question: “How could David be considered a man after God’s own heart?”
^^^Answer: To understand why David was a man after God’s own heart, we need to see what characteristics he had to qualify for such an exalted description.
I’d say that fapping/rubbing one out, is by far, way better than all that David did, in order to have Bathsheba, and yet, even so, David got his heart right with God & found favor with Him.
Our Heavenly Father looks at our heart towards Him. I strive for being as honest & humble before Him as best I can, through Christ.
1 John 1:8-10King James Version (KJV)
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
^^^Sin in this context of Scripture, refers to when we have broken fellowship.
God knows we will, we are not perfect & He is faithful & just to forgive us.
Hope it brings you some peace/clarity brother.
I believe in God and the Bible. OP, aside from masturbation have you essentially sworn yourself to celibacy for the rest of your life? I’ve had that dilemma for a while, and since sex outside of marriage is a sin, I’ve concluded that sex of any kind is no longer on the table for me. Thoughts?
I have discovered a truly remarkable list of reasons why women are not necessary for a happy life, but alas this margin is too small to contain it.
Anonymous11The more I’ve learned about Orthodox Christianity the more I respect it. I could see myself going that way.
Anonymous25Get married to a fleshlight. Private ceremony at home.
No one ever caught a disease or got divorce raped from a fleshlight.
And because the fleshlight is now technically your ‘wife’ you got out due to a legal loophole, you’re not masturbating – you’re making love to your wife – the fleshlight.
Anonymous11I now pronounce myself man and Fleshlight.
Anonymous25I now pronounce myself man and Fleshlight.
Here comes the bride:
Only type of blood sucking vampire a man should ever marry. The vampire Succu Dry, without getting divorce raped. (seriously, it comes in a pint can like beer with Succu Dry written on it).
WOW IM MAKING LIGHT OF IT GIVE ME LIBERTY TO DO SO.
TO FAP OR NOT TO FAP, THAT IS THE QUESTION
IM 52 AND BELIEVE IN JESUS CHRIST AS MY LORD AND SAVOIR. WE WERE CREATED WITH A VERY STRONG SENCE OF PROCREATION AND THAT TIES INTO RELEASING CERTAIN BRAIN CHEMICLES IM SURE OF. STOP BEATING YOURSELF UP FOR DOING SOMETHING THAT’S NATURAL TO DO.
I LOOK AT IT AS IT KEEPS MY PLUMBING WORKING . IF SOMEONE WAY BACK WHEN COULD HAVE TOLD ME THAT .
HOPE THIS OFFERS SOME CLARITY.LILITH IS THE HEAD SUCCUBUS AND SHE LIVES ON THE DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
OK. I am an atheist and retired medical librarian. Let me first address the medical issues and the religious stuff later. These sources are not cures but are just things that might interest you and you can search the Internet for more information.
Here is a link to the Pauling Rath Unified Theory of Cardiovascular Disease.
http://orthomolecular.org/library/jom/1992/pdf/1992-v07n01-p005.pdf
The point is that humans, unlike most animals, have lost the gene to make ascorbic acid, commonly known as vitamin C. Pauling and Rath indicate that ascorbic acid is essential in collagen formation that keeps arteries in good condition. The body patches leaks in the arteries with cholesterol and other materials leading to arteriosclerosis. Note that the veins do not become clogged with arteriosclerotic plaques.
Here is a link to Amazon on Rath’s book on animals, humans, and heart disease.
The New England Journal of Medicine in 1997 showed that those who had bypass surgery did not appear to do much better statistically than those who did not. There is the pain involved with surgery, possible brain damage. This might no longer be true. Surgery might be necessary in severe cases. My brother had two bypass operations and less than 7 ½ months after the second he died of an heart attack so fast he did not even take his hands out of his pockets to break the fall.
Here is another link to Amazon for the book by Charles McGee called Heart Frauds. Read the description and reviews. The book deals with the medical world and heart disease.
Used books are available on Amazon.com. Walgreen Drugs sells Amazon gift cards. I have no connection to any of the above. It is just things that might interest you and spur further research.
Before I begin I am aware of the position of atheists. While this is not directed at you your opinions are welcome.
I am Catholic and there aren’t many Catholic MGTOW I’m assuming. I am going to bring this dilemma to several priests because I am curious what their opinion is on this and it is the biggest deal in my life.
According to the Catholic Church sex belongs in one place, a marriage between one man and one women. If you step outside of this bounds you are sinning and will be condemned to hell since it is a mortal sin. If you masturbate it is a mortal sin and hell but there is a minor caveate that it may not be a mortal sin based on force of habit. Mine began at 12. Priests supposedly offer their sexuality to God, and it obviously doesn’t work for many hence pedophilia, and homosexuality. I was not called to be a Priest.
I no longer see marriage as viable due to the current state of women and misandric laws instituted by rabid feminists. It is the worst contract a man can enter.
That leaves us with the only option which is to resist what is for humans the biological imperative to relieve the urge to have sex. For most men it is an irresistible urge that leads to ever deeper levels of shame, and guilt for Christians when we fap, and usually deeper down the rabbit hole of hardcore pornography. Is there free will over biological drives? Food, water, air, and sex. I’m not convinced there is. On the first 3 no. but that is what the Church expects with sex unless you want marriage. F~~~ that!
Now you can confess masturbation and receive absolution but you are only supposed to confess if you intend to not commit the sin again. Whose zooming who? It’s biology and we all know it is going to happen again. I won’t get close enough to a woman ever again to have sex and that’s why I’m addressing masturbation.
I am a loner and have been most of my life. I was social in my 20’s, but burned out on the general s~~~tiness of people, especially women and started retreating in my 30’s. Besides it’s normally women who make you part of the group. After my ex tried to murder me for life insurance it was a done deal… I’m out.
Just letting go of God is not an option because the consequences are so dire. I’ve listened to tons of debates with Harris, Dawkins, Shermer, Lennox, William Lane Craig etc. I am not convinced that atheism is true because the existence of God is a philosophical question not an empirical one, but is tackled by empiricist’s who more often than not dismiss philosophy. The empirical method only applies to the material universe, and observable reality. According to Suskind we are a 3 dimensional hologram projected from a 2 dimensional universe. That begs the question why is there a projection and what is the mechanism of projection? The math works great. If mathematics is going that far out there to explain reality why would reality be confined to this universe, or even a multiverse, More of something doesn’t account for it’s existence. I think the multiverse, blind forces, and Darwin have provided a convenient way out for many minds, just not this one.
God, by nature according to most Catholic theologians is not a material being but simple meaning not divisible into parts, and is a pure unrestricted mind which can’t be contained by anything including the material universe. The multiverse is also material.
We all predicate our lives on one of two assumptions, God is or isn’t which leaves us with eternal consequences for which direction we proceed based on our perception of that reality.
I am trying to figure this out because I’m almost 60, have had one MI, a stent, diabetic, and have less than 30% kidney function and aware that death could come at any moment. I have a tendency to retreat into substance abuse because of this, and it’s f~~~ing depressing.
I have been living as a functional atheist because of my anger towards God for creating me as a sexual being. I clearly have to choose something different at this point if I’m going to get to heaven if it exists because I no longer go to church and I can’t let go of God. Talking about this on Catholic forums usually results in female shaming and suggestions of adherence to Church teaching and prayer and fasting to conquer urges which has not worked for me in the long run. This is my roadblock and keeps me from even trying anymore.
I have been tortured by this since my 20’s. The longest I was able to go no fap was a month and a half. I want out of this box because I never asked to be in it in the first place. Unfortunately for me existence wasn’t optional. I have been living with a f~~~ it attitude with an increasing sense of foreboding about death. Watching the world become more and more like the end times paradigm of the Bible only increases the sense of foreboding. I have tears as I type this, but if nothing else it is cathartic. Thanks for listening.
Long time lurker, but first time posting to this forum. I will write out an introduction sometime soon, but as a Christian, I felt compelled to reply to your post. I will try to reply to this as best I can, but for the sake of brevity I will try to keep this as simple as possible, as entire books can be and have been written about this sort of topic. Just keep in mind that it is being written from a strongly Christian perspective and as a simple layman, so your mileage may vary insofar as whether you believe any of this or not.
Contemporary Christianity (and especially Catholicism), as a religion, is way too focused on the sin aspect of human behavior. Don’t get me wrong, good behavior is important, but has very little to do with salvation and a personal relationship with God. There is only one sin that condemns a person to Hell (i.e. separation from God) and that sin is UNBELIEF. Every sin committed (no matter how terrible) by every person throughout human history had their sins forgiven at the Cross with the crucifixion of Jesus. That being said, in order to get out from the sin of UNBELIEF in this day and age, one has to appropriate that salvation through faith in the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
This profession of faith is best encapsulated in the book of Corinthians, Chapter 15, verses 1-4: Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you — unless you believed in vain. For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures.
If you truly believe this in your heart, then you are saved and brought into the Body of Christ (which is in no way related to what denomination you belong to). Therefore, you would be in no danger of Hell. No matter what sins you will commit in your life, they are washed in the blood of Christ and are forever forgiven. If sins committed and good works were the measure of salvation, then no person who was ever lived would be safe, for we all fall FAR short of the glory of God. Salvation is achieved through FAITH + NOTHING.
Too many people believe that by following The Law (the ten commandments along with various other things), that they will go to Heaven. This is not the case. The Law cannot save anyone, it can only condemn us and show us what sin is. Christ fulfilled The Law through his death, burial, and resurrection, and as such we as Christians are not subject to it anymore. On a side note, Jesus hated legalism. Just read the Gospel accounts of his dealings with the Pharisees to get a good idea about how Jesus felt about legalism.
Just keep in mind that once this faith is achieved, then good works can come of it, but those good works are not done to achieve salvation, rather they are done out of love and thanksgiving for said salvation. Also, said grace is not a license to commit sin. Invariably, we as human beings are going to commit many sins (i.e. f~~~ up often), the key is realizing when we f~~~ up and trying to do better in the future.
On a personal note, while any sin committed is not good, I wouldn’t consider masturbation (if you are going to consider it a sin) to be anything worth worrying too much about. It is a natural biological function, and honestly is probably doing more to prevent much worse sins in your life. While any sin is not good, we as human beings are going to commit them (and do so often). Sometimes all that we can do is to pick our battles and try to minimize the amount of damage that we do to ourselves and others.
I hope that this reply is helpful to you in some manner. There is a good deal more that I could say about this matter, but I am trying to keep things relatively brief and concise. Good luck to you in working out this situation.
Unbound by the chains of Buddhism, Christianity, Confucianism, Hinduism, Islam, Jainism, Judaism, Shinto, Sikhism, Taoism, and Zoroastrianism I am free to go my own way. I do so happily and with VERY STRONG CONFIDENCE I have chosen the right and correct path for me. I suggest youse all go your own way too.
If you rescue a damsel in distress, all you will get is a distressed damsel.
Greetings @praetorian, deeply enjoy(ed) reading your post as well as your kindred spirit.
Atheism is neither true of false. It is a lack of belief in any gods or deities. For the sake of clarity, many scientists achieve their great success because they are interested in the following questions when approaching a subject:
1) What do you mean by (term)?
2) How do you know?
3) What is the evidence?What specifically do you mean when you use the term “God?” Read Chapter 2 of George H. Smith. The Meaning of God.
READ THE BOOK, especially this chapter, before you start bringing up arguments that are already refuted by Smith.
Unless you can provide evidence that can be replicated by any other human for the existence of any deity, then there is no reason to believe in its existence. That same evidence you or others present can also then be used to explain the deity of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, Thor, Odin, or any of the other 2,500 deities listed in the Encyclopedia of Gods: Over 2,500 Deities of the World.
Research the real Hebrew meaning of the work “sin” or shin. It means “to miss.” That is a lot different from the guilt-inducing meaning that often is present in Christian religions.
Lloyd M. Graham, Deceptions and Myths of the Bible is an interesting read.
Of course, there is Bart Ehrman in Misquoting Jesus.
The founders of religions appear to have been mystics or experienced something called enlightenment.
The Catholic Jesuit priest, Anthony de Mello has some interesting books that explain the concept.
Awareness: The Perils and Opportunities of Reality
Rediscovering Life: Awaken to RealityDr. David Parrish is another source to explain the experience of enlightenment.
Enlightenment Made Easy: Discovering the Obvious
Amy and Benjamin Radcliff in Understanding Zen also explain the underlying rationale for enlightenment.
Finally, to see how you get yourself trapped into this programming and verbal tangles, Susan Kodish’s Drive Yourself Sane shows the process.
An earlier work from 1941 by Prof. Irving Lee, Language Habits in Human Affairs cover the same topic.
Amazon has these books for you to check on or purchase.
Hey, I warned you that I was a librarian in a former life.Finally, I am not here to argue about any of this, so don’t bother to quote any of it in response. This is just material that you should consider reading before making a decision about religion.
Greetings @praetorian, deeply enjoy(ed) reading your post as well as your kindred spirit.
Thanks. I have been lurking on this site for about a year now. Until today, I was generally happy just to read the many insightful posts and soak up the knowledge. Most of the time, you guys are pretty good about saying things that I would have said anyway. This topic was one that I felt compelled to respond to. Besides, it was probably about time to pony up for a membership, considering that I spend a good hour or two of my day on a rather regular basis perusing the forums.
I would just like to thanks Keymaster for providing the forum for us to discuss these topics, along with some of the regular posters (such as Stealthy, MGTower, Old Sage, Jan Sobieski, Zuberi Tau, and many others such as yourself) for providing insightful and potentially life saving commentary on the sad state of affairs in our society.
I would just like to thanks Keymaster for providing the forum for us to discuss these topics, along with some of the regular posters (such as Stealthy, MGTower, Old Sage, Jan Sobieski, Zuberi Tau, and many others such as yourself) for providing insightful and potentially life saving commentary on the sad state of affairs in our society.
Agree & am thankful too for this forum/site and all that goes on to make it available. As well as to all of us men here, it has been & is something that I am constantly trying to absorb & learn from posts here that are life changing.
The quality of my life is/has been enriched so much by it. Not only does this site save men, but it makes them live again…
At least I know it has & does for me.
I am an Atheist but still then i do not see why a God who created such a vast solar system and a huge ass universe for the sole purpose of telling people not to fap or have sex.
We are only small dots in the universe and God creates an entire universe solely to have priests tell us what to do, what to say and what to think solely behave on the delusion of being able to mediate to God?
I have been living as a functional atheist because of my anger towards God for creating me as a sexual being
2 Things here
1 Anger toward a deity is not Atheism in the slightest. Atheism is just the lack of belief in a God not being in spite of one. You are more comparable to the parable of the lost sheep or the parable of the prodigal son more then an Atheist because you are not an Atheist and it does not matter if you say you have been living as a functional one either.
2 Living a life of shame because the desires of which you believe God to give you is not worth it especially since you stated you are on the f~~~ed end of things.
I mean if i knew (or had a rightfully guess) that i was gonna die soon i would go all crazy in the s~~~ id do because of it. I am not saying you should go the route i would take (especially since if i do it i might end up dead but since ill dead anyway i won’t give a s~~~) but you should have at least some positive experiences in life then being angry at some God.
Just an east coast asshole who likes to curse, If you get offended by words like fuck, cunt, shit, piss, bitch or any racial slurs then you just scroll down.
No offense, but Catholics are full of s~~~. I’m not saying God doesn’t exist, but most of what Catholics believe is NOT supported by the Bible. Does God say that you have to confess your sins to another man? No. Does God say you can’t masturbate? No. God doesn’t even say that you HAVE to be married in order to have sex. He just suggests that it’s the best option (and it is, for the sake of the children and creating a family). What he really states is that it’s best to remain celibate, but if you can’t do that then you should marry and form a family.
The Catholic church is nothing but men trying to create and maintain power for themselves. It’s a breeding ground for evil, as evidenced by the pedophilia and s~~~ going on there. I’m not saying that Catholics are evil, just that the institution itself is evil. The Catholic religion is the word of man, NOT the word of God. It’s nothing but a bunch of narcissists trying to get as much power as they can. Hell, they did everything they could to make sure a regular person couldn’t even get a Bible. That way the people would be COMPLETELY dependent on THEIR interpretation of it. And no surprise, they twisted it to suit their own selfish purposes.
Man ruins EVERYTHING he touches. You need to read the word of GOD and disregard what MAN tells you is right.
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