The Impossible sexual box for Catholic MGTOW's.

[qeeqoParticipant 1168]

Before I begin I am aware of the position of atheists. While this is not directed at you your opinions are welcome.

I am Catholic and there aren’t many Catholic MGTOW I’m assuming. I am going to bring this dilemma to several priests because I am curious what their opinion is on this and it is the biggest deal in my life.

According to the Catholic Church sex belongs in one place, a marriage between one man and one women. If you step outside of this bounds you are sinning and will be condemned to hell since it is a mortal sin. If you masturbate it is a mortal sin and hell but there is a minor caveate that it may not be a mortal sin based on force of habit. Mine began at 12. Priests supposedly offer their sexuality to God, and it obviously doesn’t work for many hence pedophilia, and homosexuality. I was not called to be a Priest.

I no longer see marriage as viable due to the current state of women and misandric laws instituted by rabid feminists. It is the worst contract a man can enter.

That leaves us with the only option which is to resist what is for humans the biological imperative to relieve the urge to have sex. For most men it is an irresistible urge that leads to ever deeper levels of shame, and guilt for Christians when we fap, and usually deeper down the rabbit hole of hardcore pornography. Is there free will over biological drives? Food, water, air, and sex. I’m not convinced there is. On the first 3 no. but that is what the Church expects with sex unless you want marriage. F~~~ that!

Now you can confess masturbation and receive absolution but you are only supposed to confess if you intend to not commit the sin again. Whose zooming who? It’s biology and we all know it is going to happen again. I won’t get close enough to a woman ever again to have sex and that’s why I’m addressing masturbation.

I am a loner and have been most of my life. I was social in my 20’s, but burned out on the general s~~~tiness of people, especially women and started retreating in my 30’s. Besides it’s normally women who make you part of the group. After my ex tried to murder me for life insurance it was a done deal… I’m out.

Just letting go of God is not an option because the consequences are so dire. I’ve listened to tons of debates with Harris, Dawkins, Shermer, Lennox, William Lane Craig etc. I am not convinced that atheism is true because the existence of God is a philosophical question not an empirical one, but is tackled by empiricist’s who more often than not dismiss philosophy. The empirical method only applies to the material universe, and observable reality. According to Suskind we are a 3 dimensional hologram projected from a 2 dimensional universe. That begs the question why is there a projection and what is the mechanism of projection? The math works great. If mathematics is going that far out there to explain reality why would reality be confined to this universe, or even a multiverse, More of something doesn’t account for it’s existence. I think the multiverse, blind forces, and Darwin have provided a convenient way out for many minds, just not this one.

God, by nature according to most Catholic theologians is not a material being but simple meaning not divisible into parts, and is a pure unrestricted mind which can’t be contained by anything including the material universe. The multiverse is also material.

We all predicate our lives on one of two assumptions, God is or isn’t which leaves us with eternal consequences for which direction we proceed based on our perception of that reality.

I am trying to figure this out because I’m almost 60, have had one MI, a stent, diabetic, and have less than 30% kidney function and aware that death could come at any moment. I have a tendency to retreat into substance abuse because of this, and it’s f~~~ing depressing.

I have been living as a functional atheist because of my anger towards God for creating me as a sexual being. I clearly have to choose something different at this point if I’m going to get to heaven if it exists because I no longer go to church and I can’t let go of God. Talking about this on Catholic forums usually results in female shaming and suggestions of adherence to Church teaching and prayer and fasting to conquer urges which has not worked for me in the long run. This is my roadblock and keeps me from even trying anymore.

I have been tortured by this since my 20’s. The longest I was able to go no fap was a month and a half. I want out of this box because I never asked to be in it in the first place. Unfortunately for me existence wasn’t optional. I have been living with a f~~~ it attitude with an increasing sense of foreboding about death. Watching the world become more and more like the end times paradigm of the Bible only increases the sense of foreboding. I have tears as I type this, but if nothing else it is cathartic. Thanks for listening.

[experiencedParticipant]

Hang in there brother!

Also, consider that it may not be the proteins that wreck havoc on the kidneys, but the carbohydrates and their effect on blood sugar and it’s negative effect on the tiny blood vessels in the kidneys.

[follow the money……. the catholic church wants more catholics]

"It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."

[BoarParticipant]

I am reminded of a quote from the Frank Herbert Dune series: “Good subjects must feel guilty” so the “good” ruler “provides many opportunities for failure in the populace.”

Without failure and eternal damnation, how much do you really need eternal salvation?

I say this as one who was called to ministry in a mainstream Protestant denomination. However, after looking at the manipulations foisted upon the believers by the Church, I left.

Untamed wrote: Quit complaining and Go Your Own Way in whatever manner suits you best.

[qeeqoParticipant 1168]

It’s all about the f~~~ing carbs.

[WarratahParticipant 895]

Maybe, qeeqo, you need to see all of this from God’s point-of-view.
Do you honestly think that God gives a f~~~ about the fact that you had a fap? Or that you ate meat on a Friday?
Nah, not at all.
God is much more concerned with the fact that you behave decently, honourably and lovingly to your neighbours.
Jesus said ‘Love one another’, he certainly didn’t say anything about not having a fap.
I realise that this might come across as being flippant – I don’t mean it so, I am by nature a religious man. Although I’ve made the decision to follow God rather than follow a church.

...And in our own despair, against our will, Comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God. - Agamemnon; by Aeschylus

[Anonymous 11]

I really don’t believe God cares if we fap. Sex drive is a powerful force and can lead to reprobate behaviors so fapping keeps it under control.

A lot of Christian denominations are anti-fapping not just Catholic. It’s all about one thing CONTROL over you and your life. I remember one crooked Baptist preacher who lived in a monster house on the water. He was notorious for being anti-fap. He was an asshole too. We used to dump rotten seafood all over and around his gate on Saturday nights just to agitate him on Sunday mornings. We even would put rotten crabs in his mailbox. The only reason I feel guilty is we may have exposed the poor postman to that stench.

To fap or not to fap is a personal choice.

[qeeqoParticipant 1168]

Warratah wrote:

Maybe, qeeqo, you need to see all of this from God’s point-of-view.
Do you honestly think that God gives a f~~~ about the fact that you had a fap? Or that you ate meat on a Friday?
Nah, not at all.
God is much more concerned with the fact that you behave decently, honourably and lovingly to your neighbours.
Jesus said ‘Love one another’, he certainly didn’t say anything about not having a fap.
I realise that this might come across as being flippant – I don’t mean it so, I am by nature a religious man. Although I’ve made the decision to follow God rather than follow a church.

I appreciate that. I have been a curmudgeon lately because all I’m around are women who I try to avoid at work… All female staff except me and the old Harridans are targeting me more. I have a high school education and wouldn’t even know here to go from here to support myself. It’s hard to love when you are alone most of the time. When I’m done with work I need to decompress the rest of the time. I did take care of a 96 year old guy a few years ago but that didn’t last long. Sometimes bringing darkness into the light is the impetus to move forward. I may be crabby but I have no malice towards anyone.

[SimpleLifeParticipant 439]

They want you to feel trapped, that’s the scam they play. All you can do is take the good teachings of Christianity and leave the rest behind.

[qeeqoParticipant 1168]

Anonymous wrote:

I really don’t believe God cares if we fap. Sex drive is a powerful force and can lead to reprobate behaviors so fapping keeps it under control.

A lot of Christian denominations are anti-fapping not just Catholic. It’s all about one thing CONTROL over you and your life. I remember one crooked Baptist preacher who lived in a monster house on the water. He was notorious for being anti-fap. He was an asshole too. We used to dump rotten seafood all over and around his gate on Saturday nights just to agitate him on Sunday mornings. We even would put rotten crabs in his mailbox. The only reason I feel guilty is we may have exposed the poor postman to that stench.

To fap or not to fap is a personal choice.

Out of curiosity what do you predicate the assumption that God doesn’t care if we fap since most churches are against it? What would be the churches reasons for imposing this control if it isn’t necessary. It wouldn’t affect the collection box.

[qeeqoParticipant 1168]

Boar wrote:

Without failure and eternal damnation, how much do you really need eternal salvation?

I see this as the need for raising fallen human nature so heaven doesn’t become hell when we enter. There is some evil cold s~~~ out there… Ain’t no perfection anywhere to be found around this joint. Unfortunately I’m the same as I’ve always been.

[Anonymous 42]

qeeqo wrote:

If you step outside of this bounds you are sinning and will be condemned to hell since it is a mortal sin.

Where is the plan of salvation in that kind of thinking? I may as well go grab the robes I once wore as a chief or at least a young brave among the tribe of great sinners.

Get another religion that’s more a one-on-one with the creator, without any other man acting as any kind of mediator, ask Redpillbible he like many of us believe we have a contact on the other side, the ultimate MGHOW and traditional table flipper, read what he said in the books of the new testament, one thing that comes to mind; Mathew:23 “And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.”.

I neither bow nor kneel before MAN! (dirtiest creature on earth).

[AwakenedParticipant 35200]

qeeqo wrote:

I’m assuming. I am going to bring this dilemma to several priests because I am curious what their opinion is on this and it is the biggest deal in my life

With all due respect, Just what does ANY priest truly know about women, relationships, marriages/children, sex, living in the REAL world etc. ??

In a World of Justin Beibers Be a Johnny Cash

[qeeqoParticipant 1168]

Awakened wrote:

qeeqo wrote:

I’m assuming. I am going to bring this dilemma to several priests because I am curious what their opinion is on this and it is the biggest deal in my life

With all due respect, Just what does ANY priest truly know about women, relationships, marriages/children, sex, living in the REAL world etc. ??

Nothing more than what they observe in others and what others tell them, outside of that less than those who experience it. All they really bring to the table is their theological knowledge and the Sacraments.

[qeeqoParticipant 1168]

Anonymous wrote:

qeeqo wrote:

If you step outside of this bounds you are sinning and will be condemned to hell since it is a mortal sin.

Where is the plan of salvation in that kind of thinking? I may as well go grab the robes I once wore as a chief or at least a young brave among the tribe of great sinners.

Get another religion that’s more a one-on-one with the creator, without any other man acting as any kind of mediator, ask Redpillbible he like many of us believe we have a contact on the other side, the ultimate MGHOW and traditional table flipper, read what he said in the books of the new testament, one thing that comes to mind; Mathew:23 “And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.”.

I neither bow nor kneel before MAN! (dirtiest creature on earth).

I’m talking about it because I’ve been hamstering on it solo for quite a few decades and have lost perspective. The only way to get past it is to discuss it openly. That’s why I’m glad I’ve been searching for what was wrong and stumbled on this site and respect a lot of opinions here. It’s really difficult to maintain perspective when you are alone so much. I am not good at getting the motivation to actualize change and find it impossible on my own.

[qeeqoParticipant 1168]

I appreciate the input guys. I’ve decided to bring the darkness into the light.

[AwakenedParticipant 35200]

qeeqo wrote:

All they really bring to the table is their theological knowledge and the Sacraments.

I don’t see the logical connection between “their theological knowledge and the Sacraments”, as it relates to you being a Man Going His Own Way (MGHOW).

Life can be challenging enough being a MGHOW while living day to day in the gynocentric matrix, but your attempt to receive a supernatural stamp of approval must be very frustrating to say the least.

Personally, my life became much more relaxed and logical once I walked away from all the “theological knowledge and the Sacraments” of the Catholic Church. I no longer wished to live under the desires of how a society, church, or women wanted me to live MY life. I think it’s unfortunate for yourself that you are tormented by your God/religion.

I wish you Peace, Health, and Prosperity my friend. Go easy on yourself !!

In a World of Justin Beibers Be a Johnny Cash

[Anonymous 11]

@qeeqo:

I’m a devout Christian, but religion, a device of man, is not my bag. I find all religions to be equally potentially corrupt as are all other human institutions. As much as I hate Karl Marx, his observation that religion is the opiate of the masses is spot on correct.

Monkeys and apes fap so the urge to do it has been wired into us for millions of years. Humans are made to have sex very often which is why c~~~s never have external signs of being in estrus. They just have a girls night out and get drilled by Chad behind the club’s dumpster for that. A just God would never judge us for something over which we have no control. Even going no fap requires discipline and may benefit someone in their quest. As for me, after 30 days of no fap, I’m half crazy.

Any hierarchical organization church, work, or guvmint is totally about control.

That being said, I’m from a mixed Protestant/Catholic family so I’ve been well exposed to both sides. I think being forced to attend three hour Pentecostal services at age seven f~~~ed me up with regard to religion. I never had issues with Mass even as a child.

[Anonymous 42]

qeeqo wrote:

I am not good at getting the motivation to actualize change and find it impossible on my own.

You’re not alone brother, I take away immeasurable fortunes in understanding my fellow man and every once in a while offering him genuine hope or mental pain relief by helping him untie the bound tight and aging mental knots, every once in a while this alters their destiny and prevents them from taking their own lives, time and time again we hear men saying “thank-you MGTOW, you saved my life”, something we can all be proud of!

Just by being here you are actualizing change in many ways unseen by the naked eye. Hell is for people that choose to go there against every warning they ignore. It’s not our predisposition otherwise there would be no hope at all.

[xenonParticipant 2007]

I am not very religious but I am also not sure we are not living in hell right now. Feels like it more days than not.

[GnosticParticipant 2491]

I am borrowing my brother sidecar wisdom here against the Church call for marrige.

"You must marry!"

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“Well I don’t see god stepping up to pay the f~~~ing alimony. And Jesus himself never wifed up that Magdalene whore, so why the f~~~ should I? You want men to marry? Then you should be preaching to the f~~~ing government and the f~~~ing courts to get the f~~~ out of marriage. And until you do that, and until they do, don’t f~~~ing presume to tell me what the f~~~ I must do. And don’t you f~~~ing dare to presume to speak for the almighty. Better men than you already have.”

“To the unmarried and the widows I say that it is well for them to remain single as I do.”
– First Corinthians, Chapter Seven, Verse Eight

“You f~~~ing disagreeing with the Apostle and Saint Paul of Motherf~~~ing Tarsus?”
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Also Jesus himself is against the Church.
http://portlandporcupine.com/jac/

http://www.charismanews.com/opinion/45129-10-judgments-jesus-made-against-religious-church-systems

Do you need God or Do you need the Church?

Did God tell you to marry or sign the slave contract?

Did God tell you to marry the government?

There is no magic in MGTOW, just recognition of the truth and logical decision how to avoid dangers. The red pill is but the truth, it is no magical potion. Do not think in this modern world men have no longer have natural enemies, men are prey to women and government.

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