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I think you’ll find the answer to your question in my posts on this thread. You might want to read them. I thought I made myself clear. Did I stutter???
Oh I read them. I took you serious.
Ohno I knew what Autolite was trying to do from the start that’s why in my previous post I said you can’t teach or help a man find God the same way a blue pill man will refuse to learn and be helped by the Red Pill. His realization that logic and science will never get through to believers no matter what he says is very ironic because it is the same view those who believe in God view atheist is unable to find god by spiritual means because both of us view the world in a different paradigm.
Regardless other people do read our posts so I tried to respond as best I could in the hope something would resonate with Autolite but as always only he and other atheists can find God if they search for him themselves. I am not stupid I look at the evidence and logic presented I am not blinded by what he has said even though he probably thinks I am. Autolite has valid points I do understand his logic and where he is coming from. But I know that God exists because I had a spiritual awakening and you feel his presence with you at all times. To a logical person of course this goes counter to everything they think about their world there is no room for feelings or emotions you have to only look at facts to determine if God exists and that goes counter to everything God teaches.
The word faith was one of the reasons this was invented so that humans could better understand and tap into their spiritual side of being in order to understand God. The one thing that we can agree on is there is no one field of study (science, philosophy, theology, mathematics, physics) that can 100% prove the questions we are grappling with does God exist or does he not. The creation of the universe and how it sprang from nothing is always debated with many fields of study trying to grasp that understanding and there is never really a consensus.
You might enjoy this video regarding this matter trying to explain the existence of nothing because it ties into the existence of God and the universe. As a person who believes in God I do look at all sides of every argument and it helps you gain more understanding of our world and place in it.
This is why I said previously that the hubris of man to try to understand and tap into Gods vast knowledge will never be attainable. There are very smart people on this earth right now like the astrophysicists I posted above that make great arguments but will never be able to fully grasp or understand Gods creation. We may evolve to further gain more knowledge but as we climb higher in our understanding there will always be more that needs to be proven or disproven as fact.
you can’t teach or help a man find God the same way a blue pill man will refuse to learn and be helped by the Red Pill.
Well it depends, I received help with the content others made. Also I didnt refuse to learn and be helped by red pill men when i was a blue pill.
Its no wonder that atheists think about believers as arrogant lunatics and theism is suppression… when they think that believers think there is a god that will send unbelievers to hell, a place where the devil reigns and tortures eternally and believers to heaven. Thats the common belief isnt it?
As much as I would rather keep my thoughts to myself and not “waste” time with this…im still commanded to help Jesus gather sheep for my own sake.
Please read this parable Luke 19,11-26 and tell me what my options are if I dont want to end up like the guy who kept his mina laid away.
Im trying my best and thats all I got to do, I dont depend on him learning something from me or finding to god.
Thats not what counts. What counts for me is my effort.
And also its not only for Autolite, what I write to him.The Parable of the Ten Minas
11 While they were listening to this, he went on to tell them a parable, because he was near Jerusalem and the people thought that the kingdom of God was going to appear at once. 12 He said: “A man of noble birth went to a distant country to have himself appointed king and then to return. 13 So he called ten of his servants and gave them ten minas.[a] ‘Put this money to work,’ he said, ‘until I come back.’14 “But his subjects hated him and sent a delegation after him to say, ‘We don’t want this man to be our king.’
15 “He was made king, however, and returned home. Then he sent for the servants to whom he had given the money, in order to find out what they had gained with it.
16 “The first one came and said, ‘Sir, your mina has earned ten more.’
17 “‘Well done, my good servant!’ his master replied. ‘Because you have been trustworthy in a very small matter, take charge of ten cities.’
18 “The second came and said, ‘Sir, your mina has earned five more.’
19 “His master answered, ‘You take charge of five cities.’
20 “Then another servant came and said, ‘Sir, here is your mina; I have kept it laid away in a piece of cloth. 21 I was afraid of you, because you are a hard man. You take out what you did not put in and reap what you did not sow.’
22 “His master replied, ‘I will judge you by your own words, you wicked servant! You knew, did you, that I am a hard man, taking out what I did not put in, and reaping what I did not sow? 23 Why then didn’t you put my money on deposit, so that when I came back, I could have collected it with interest?’
24 “Then he said to those standing by, ‘Take his mina away from him and give it to the one who has ten minas.’
25 “‘Sir,’ they said, ‘he already has ten!’
26 “He replied, ‘I tell you that to everyone who has, more will be given, but as for the one who has nothing, even what they have will be taken away. 27 But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me.’”
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