Religion and MGTOW

[OhnoParticipant 668]

Oh and I didnt mean that catholics and evangelics cannot be christian. No that was not exactly what I wanted to say.

The point is to say that belonging to one of those churches on paper, doesnt make you christian already.

For example here

Message to the Church in Philadelphia
…8’I know your deeds. Behold, I have put before you an open door which no one can shut, because you have a little power, and have kept My word, and have not denied My name. 9Behold, I will cause those of the synagogue of Satan, who say that they are Jews and are not, but lie– I will make them come and bow down at your feet, and make them know that I have loved you. 10Because you have kept the word of My perseverance, I also will keep you from the hour of testing, that hour which is about to come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.…

[Total LeeParticipant 1573]

Cetacean wrote:

Preserving one’s sovereignty is not essential to one’s existence.

Are you high? Of course it is. Tommorrow a wife can decide to divorce you on a whim and flatten you. MGTOW will not sign a marriage contract under any circumstances. That’s preserving your sovereignty above all else. What you believe plays no role in any of it.

Get your s~~~ together or get out. You’re not as clever as you think.

[CetaceanSpectator 34]

Thank you for your response.
I think you are on to something good:

Ohno wrote:

The point is to say that belonging to one of those churches on paper, so officially doesnt make you christian already.
( being officially christian )

I think we can thus agree that a certain form of Christian lifestyle is more compatible with MGTOW ideas. And thus, it is imperative that Christian MGTOW begin to lay the groundwork for what this lifestyle looks like and discuss the ideas involved.

[Total LeeParticipant 1573]

Cetacean wrote:

I think you are on to something good:

Well that’s good. I think you’re a f~~~ing idiot.

[CetaceanSpectator 34]

Total Lee wrote:

Are you high? Of course it is.

Would you stop to exist if you lost your sovereignty? Sure not.

Total Lee wrote:

Tommorrow a wife can decide to divorce you on a whim and flatten you. MGTOW will not sign a marriage contract under any circumstances. That’s preserving your sovereignty above all else. What you believe plays no role in any of it.

There are many religions that command mankind of procreate and multiply. How is that compatible with MGTOW philosophy?

Total Lee wrote:

Get your s~~~ together or get out. You’re not as clever as you think.

I never claimed to be clever or wise. I claimed to be curious. My questions are motivated by my desire to “get my s~~~ together”.

[CetaceanSpectator 34]

you were indeed telling people to leave their religion out

Maybe I worded it wrong. I didn’t mean that all religious MGTOW ought to abandon MGTOW. I was simply speaking of the one’s that do not seem compatible.

Another reason would be to change MGTOW slightly.

Some do find MGTOW concepts within their religion, and that’s fine.

We don’t have to redefine anything.

fair enough, that’s a good point
Many religions may be compatible

When two ideas contradict one another. A redefinition will happen no matter what.

[CetaceanSpectator 34]

What is your belief if I may ask, do you believe in God? Do you believe in Jesus Christ, yes or no?

Is this an in-group out-group test?
Which answer will allow us to keep talking this openly?
Can I choose that one?

[CetaceanSpectator 34]

Two ideas can go on being contradictory forever. That’s the beauty of different ideas.

So Religion and MGTOW principles will go on being contradictory forever and Christian MGTOW will find it beautiful?

[CetaceanSpectator 34]

I wish richardhutnik was here mit his handy collection of MGTOW bible references. He’d f~~~ you up. Lol

I wish he were here, too.
I any case, I’ll look him up. Thanks for the recommendation

[CetaceanSpectator 34]

Anything you say will keep the conversation going, you didn’t answer my question, do you believe in God and Jesus Christ, yes or no?

I don’t know. I don’t know if I believe in anything.
Maybe yes, maybe no
sometimes yes, sometimes no
But I am here to listen

[OhnoParticipant 668]

Cetacean wrote:

This glorifying of a husbands self sacrifice for the good life of the bride, I believe is not compatible with MGTOW philosophy.

that doesnt make sence to me, at all.

[CetaceanSpectator 34]

Not everyone would agree that religion and MGTOW are contradictory.

I agree.

What’s beautiful is a multitude of ideas and opinions that do not have to be reconciled. What’s beautiful is freedom of thought.

Then, we should surely discuss what MGTOW is in its strictest sense.
For example, many MGTOW speak of the Levels of MGTOW. This has caused a lot of commotion, for people have debated about what these Levels actually mean.

If MGTOW can mean whatever a man wishes and religion, too, then we would not be left with a MGTOW or a religion. That is why it is worth discussing what a MGTOW lifestyle is.
Does is allow marriage? under what conditions? Does it allow serving a God, even if it means serving women in the name of God (church homes for single mothers etc)?
The implications are there.

[CetaceanSpectator 34]

Ohno wrote:

that doesnt make sence to me, at all.

The image I am describing is the analogy made in the Bible between the relationship between man and wife and God and man.
Many MGTOW claim that the MGTOW lifestyle involves completely rejecting the male-female sexual dynamic and even interaction. These MGTOW claim that the true MGTOW lifestyle is living for oneself.
Christianity calls for a generous life of giving (alms, tithe) to women. This is justified as “living for God not women”. Nevertheless, women profit from these safety nets. Countless religious institutions support women and women’s right (even to vote).
What happens when living for God becomes living for women?

[CetaceanSpectator 34]

Mgtow and Christians are not gonna change and separate themselves from unity because of the way you feel,

I don’t feel anything. I wish all Christian MGTOW the happiest of lives.

don’t come here telling us what to do or what to think when you don’t even know what you believe in

I am here to ask questions. If the questions bother you, please don’t read my questions. Furthermore, I draw conclusions from what information I get. If there are inconsistencies, I try to point them out. I believe that it will be beneficial to all Christian MGTOW and non-Christian MGTOW.

Also, I don’t think that I should begin by believing anything. In fact, I want to believe in something. Therefore, I ask questions.

our doing this on purpose and it’s not going to work.

Of course, I am. I am curious. And I also want to know how Christian MGTOW justify their claims. Remember that Christian MGTOW are not representative of all MGTOW nor all Christians. This is why I am curious about their beliefs.

You don’t make any sense at all and are wasting everybody’s time. I think the members here are having a hard time trying not to tell you to f~~~ off.

I assume you are Christian. Please use kinder words. I think Jesus said something about being kind. He also asked a lot of questions.

[CetaceanSpectator 34]

not letting women control you and make your life miserable

That’s a good definition of MGTOW. Thanks for the insight

I’m not into strictness. I prefer a big tent policy. That’s my take.

Fair enough, that’s a good parameter for MGTOW.
Then, I take it you don’t go by any MGTOW Level?

[CetaceanSpectator 34]

Your a women aren’t you?

No I’m not a woman. Are you?

[CetaceanSpectator 34]

You can’t wrap up everything in a nice little bow. You just have to accept this….or not…. You can keep arguing.

Very well, you are right about that.

In any case, thanks for the responses. I have thumbs up-ed many of your posts.

[CetaceanSpectator 34]

Some do argue that MGTOW is pure selfishness.

I feel that this is a reason why many MGTOW feel a sense of hopelessness or lack of motivation.
Perhaps, thinking like the Christian MGTOW is easier on the mind

[CetaceanSpectator 34]

A MGTOW may not want to see a woman for months or years, but then all the sudden have a need for some strange slut sex and go complete pua for a spell, and then go monk for awhile, then might try having a female friend if the conditions are right. It’s more dynamic than the levels portray.

I agree that it is not a linear progression.

I would imagine that Christian MGTOW are against this type of “relapse” into “the pussy”.

[CetaceanSpectator 34]

So why do you talk like a c~~~?

If I offended you, I apologise.

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