My Review of God

[Anonymous 3]

Anonymous wrote:

Humans are all wrong, and the technically correct (the best kind of correct) answer will be delivered to us individually… when we leave this “world”.

MGTOW_Mike wrote:

The best thing we can do I just watch and learn, rather than adding our own 2c.

these are the way I look at the God question. all i would add is it is a Great Mystery

[Anonymous 7]

Matt Inman the creator of The Oatmeal is a seriously funny dude.

He gave a talk about this very topic and I found it to be hilarious.

[Anonymous 3]

These discussions are a complete waste of time. Religion, politics and academia are all worthless subjects for discussion. Add gender relations most of the time too, we’re only an exception because we don’t allow women and blue pillers here.

The problem is it always boils down to each side claiming: “I am so smart that’s why I’m right, you are stupid and/because you believe the opposite”. That’s it. Those are the arguments used by both sides every time. Don’t deny it, it’s been done repeatedly in just this thread.

Anyone smart enough to be able to discuss in a more civilized and intellectual level is also smart enough not to bother. The same way many of us prefer to just throw up a chair when tuna is on here, as experience teaches you it’s a complete waste of time, while many others bicker back and forth.

And that’s all there is to it. Keep your beliefs to yourself and you’re fine. This thread was made for the discussion so nobody is wrong for commenting and nobody is wrong for either belief. It becomes a problem when people desperately need to validate their own beliefs, and attack others for it. And that is definitely going to happen, it always happens.

There are some things where you can only discuss them while being on the same page. There are many other things where disagreements are fine and in fact often welcomed to achieve higher understanding. One of my issues with Obama, who I didn’t like in the first place overall, was that he’d always appoint people that had ideological disagreements, because he wanted to show that he is inclusive and that nonsense. That’s stupid, you can’t work that way. And you can’t think that way for the topics I listed as well.

[DiogenesParticipant 373]

OldBill wrote:

Diogenes wrote:

In my experience, almost nobody who claims to be an atheist is actually intelligent and well-educated enough to be able to philosophically justify being one.

“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?

Epicurius 341-270 BCE

Most internet “atheists” are actually agnostic, it’s just that they and the various internet deists “debating” with them aren’t too good with the actual definitions.

I’m glad Surfdude brought up the Silence of St. Thomas. Defining “God” as that which is unknowable and can never be known is perhaps the best solution for everyone.

But, St. Thomas Aquinas did not make that definition (God is that which is unknowable and can never be known). See here:

http://www.newadvent.org/summa/1012.htm

[Anonymous 42]

STIR THE POT!

God’ll’juice god’ll’juice god’ll’juice!

[OldBillParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

These discussions are a complete waste of time.

/thread

Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.

[DorkShitParticipant 4353]

MACHO wrote:

MGTOW_Mike wrote:

What can be proven can also be disproved

I can’t wait to see someone prove that the endless universe in which we exist in is just a figment of our imagination!

It may just be a firmament of reality.

Peace brothers

[CarnageParticipant 22113]

There is no god, there is no mistery.
It’s all bulls~~~ and brain jerking nothing else.

I say there is no god. Done, prove me wrong.

To those following me, be careful, I just farted. Men those beans are killers.

[JackinovParticipant 5229]

God does not actually infringe on free will. If I decided to buy a gun and blow a few peoples brains out, I could go and do that. That’s part of free will. If he “swooped in” like a personal genie (the most powerful being in the universe), and stopped me, that wouldn’t be the free will he gave us.

Would those people “deserve” to be killed? Of course not, and I’d be a murderer. But the actions of peoples’ free will choices still affected them, same as that starving child, same as the people with cancer.

But, at the same time, who says pain and death is bad? Because if you think about it, without a God, there really is no reason to be morally good. Nothing would actually make killing people wrong. “Morals” actually cannot be proven via natural human interaction.

People can do good and bad. It’s their choice. They pay for it when they die. Of course, people are going to say “prove it”, but the thing is we will all get to see. The most powerful being in the universe is under NO obligation to prove himself to anyone.

He’s just letting the earth run it’s course and not interfering with it.

are you a chia pet in man drag

[Joey AlfioParticipant]

Carnage wrote:

I say there is no god. Done, prove me wrong.

He works in mysterious ways, duh.

Δεν υπάρχει τίποτε αδύνατο γι’ αυτόν που θα προσπαθήσει. - Μέγας Αλέξανδρος

[X11Spectator 4520]

Guests don’t realise they are agnostic. Atheists are also agnostic.

The difference is theists obtain a belief God exists, usually by societal indoctrination where as atheists lack belief.

Theism and atheism is about belief (and lack theteof) not knowledge.

If believers knew god existed they would no longer believe god exists they would simply know it.

[AutoliteParticipant]

X11 wrote:

Atheists are also agnostic.

This Atheist is reasonably certain that there is no god. I do not claim absolute certainty because I cannot say that I’m absolutely certain we’re not all living in a ‘Matrix’ like CG universe. IMO, both cases are equally probable.

There’s also the ‘Teapot Atheist’ explanation:

[Anonymous 42]

Carnage wrote:

I say there is no god. Done, prove me wrong.

I say there is a god. Done, prove me wrong.

[X11Spectator 4520]

I find it highly suspicious that believers almost exclusively adopt the beliefs of their parents, community, where they were born etc.

When some remote indigenous person spontaneously starts quoting the bible I will be more convinced that the “word” comes from a higher power and not man.

Why would god arrange s~~~ so the majority of believers just believe what they were taught by their parents/community and thus condemn them to hell for believing in the wrong god.

[AutoliteParticipant]

If god doesn’t exist, it would be impossible to prove that He doesn’t exist because you can’t prove the non-existence of things that don’t actually exist. No one can prove the non-existence of the Easter Bunny nor the Tooth Fairy either.

If god does exist then it would at least be possible to prove that He exists.

Theists clearly have the advantage here because it would be possible to prove their claim (if it were true) whereas it is impossible for Atheists to prove their claim because it is true.

Even with the advantage, Theists still can’t come through with proving their claim…

[Anonymous 1]

Interesting Thread OP. +1 to a lot of the comments on here pure gold. I’ve studied enough science to know that there are things we can know for sure and there are things that are unknowable. Those latter things are fun to theorize about, but are not ever provable. This is where, science ends and metaphysics begins.

My personal belief is that diversity of opinions on this stuff is a good thing. I am worried that certain Religions will attempt to establish a Monopoly on Metaphysical theories. Islam and Christianity are both aggressively intolerant (Evangelical) and desire everyone to have the exact same ideas about the origins of the Universe (History proves this). This is a lamentable situation when these two are the dominant Religions in the world. I think humanity is much better off with each individual retaining their own personal theories about this stuff. No franchise Churches selling you on brainwash! Keep it simple and don’t seek to force your beliefs on others. I reserve the right to define “God” or “Gods” without needing someones else’s “Holy Book” to do so.

[surfdude12Participant 4103]

Diogenes wrote:

But, St. Thomas Aquinas did not make that definition (God is that which is unknowable and can never be known). See here:

http://www.newadvent.org/summa/1012.htm

No, he recanted those writings after writing them. He stopped writing that work before finishing it. When his friend asked him why, he got this reply:

“I adjure you by the living almighty God, and by the faith you have in our order, and by charity that you strictly promise me you will never reveal in my lifetime what I tell you. Everything that I have written seems like straw to me compared to those things that I have seen and have been revealed to me.”

Thomas Aquinas' Big Pile of Straw

[AutoliteParticipant]

X11 wrote:

I find it highly suspicious that believers almost exclusively adopt the beliefs of their parents, community, where they were born etc.

The version of god that you believe in does actually depend on were on the planet you were born. This isn’t even debatable. I really don’t know how Theists can rationally reconcile this in their own minds…

[X11Spectator 4520]

There are a lot of claims in the bible that can be directly tested as hypothesis.

This would give a level of plausibility to God’s existence that I would except.

Tbh honest absolute proof is not necessary in science or even engineering, nor does it make a lot if sense.

Claim + supporting evidence + method + range of validity + error margin is all we have to work with.

[Anonymous 1]

DorkShit wrote:

What is not discussed is the Tesla and Einstein fued. Or rather what Tesla thought of the scientists of his time.

I’ve been thinking about doing a post on this exact topic. It’s something, I’ve been researching for about 10 years now. I would say the same thing about Heaviside vs Einstein, Heaviside and Tesla had a lot in common. I will definitely do the post soon, but I need to refresh my memory before posting anything definitive.

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