My Review of God

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  • #558031
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    SweetDaddyDom420
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    I was an Atheist until about a year or so ago. I have since discovered that there is indeed something that created this planet, and that there are bigger things at work here than just humans. Who and what God is…. I am not sure. These are just my humble observations. Do with them as you will. What happens after death is obviously the most important question in life.
    Pain. It’s a small word, but when you experience it…. it seems really important at the time. It can be anything from a paper cut to the death of a loved one. Pain comes in many forms. I am somewhat of an expert on pain. After 20 years in construction, and a lifetime of difficult situations, I have a lot of different pains.
    Remember how much things hurt as a child? You were knew to pain. The tiniest little prick on your finger sent the tears rolling. Over time, you build a tolerance to pain. Some days I will look down, and see blood gushing from my hand. And I don’t remember cutting myself. I had just done it working and was focused on what I was doing at the time. My big hands are covered in scar tissue, from the many ways I have hurt them over the years providing a life for myself and my family. And now with age, pain is a daily fact of life that I deal with to survive. My father suffered greatly the last 20 years of his life, and he was a kind, generous, wonderful person.
    So who created pain? Well, surely if the Bible is correct and God created all this, it must have been him right? It says in the Bible that God punished all women that would ever live with painful child bearing, and the monthly curse, which brings many women a lot of pain every month for about a week….. or roughly 25% of the time. And why did he do this? Because your great, great, great, great etc etc etc Grandmother ate a piece of fruit she was told not to eat. Overreact there much God??? Punish billions of women for a crime that their ancestor committed? WTF???
    So…. by reason of proof, if you accept the Bible has the Gospel…. I made a funny there. Go ahead and chuckle. Then clearly… God uses pain to punish people. Somewhere in a hospital room right now, a woman is having a child and suffering greatly, just to bring a life into the world. She does not remember the taste of that forbidden fruit, because she did not eat it. But the pain is hers just the same.
    My entire life, I have felt as though I was being punished for something I don’t remember doing. Childhood was rough, adulthood has been brutal, work is hard, and painful. I have always been a good person, tried to help people and be good to them, as long as they were good to me. SO…. why should I suffer the way I do? And when I have prayed to end this, my prayer goes unanswered. Even though I have prayed sincerely, more than I ever had in my life. Crying on my knees begging God to help me…. or at least show himself to me. All I got was crickets. No response at all. Maybe I’m not good enough. Maybe I haven’t suffered enough… sure seems like it. Maybe I have broken a few of God’s little rules. I asked his forgiveness and for his help. Which is exactly what the Bible says to do. Yet after doing all that… my life got steadily WORSE. So is this the Devil playing tricks on me? But wait…. God created everything, so he created pain, and has a history of using it to punish people, sometimes unfairly. HMMMMMM. Remember Soddom and Gomorrah? The cities were burned to the ground because the people were immoral. But wait…. weren’t there children there? So God let children die in agony, because of what their parents did. Can you imagine being a small child, and suddenly your flesh is on fire, and you have no idea why or what is happening to you? You remember no sin or transgression. You’re just an innocent child. Oh, and remember how much things hurt as a child, as we discussed earlier? And every day, all over the world, innocent children suffer. So either God allows this and does nothing, or he has no power to stop it. THESE ARE THE ONLY 2 POSSIBILITIES!!! Oh…. some may say he is teaching them something. What can a child learn from being molested? Talk to any prostitute, they are were abused as children. Some of them are better people than most women I know.
    So basically, as I understand religion, I can sum it up in two sentences.
    God says, “Let me torture you with pain and suffering that I created on Earth, and I will give you an eternity of bliss.”
    The Devil says, “Do whatever you like on Earth, and SUPPOSEDLY you suffer for all eternity.”
    I just don’t think I can love or serve a God like that. He sounds like a narcissistic child that overreacts when he doesn’t get his way, and punishes random people for things they did not do. “Worship me.” “Praise me.” “Bow down before me!!!!” And do exactly as I want, or you will be punished eternally! Dude, even if God did create me, that’s a little over the top. What if all parents treated their kids that way? How many of you would still speak to your Mom or Dad if they acted like that???
    Now I am not saying I am gonna run and join Satan. He doesn’t sound so great either. It sounds more like 2 narcissistic kids playing a game of “who can take over the world,” and we are all pawns in the game. Book of Job anyone? It says that basically God and the Devil were toying with this man’s life for their amusement and to satisfy their wager over which he would choose. God ALLOWED, and read that part again ALLOWED the Devil to inflict Job with all kinds of ailments, he lost his family, his business, and his health. Yeah, sure in the end he got it all back and then some. But he still suffered to satisfy this sick bet between God and the Devil. Frankly, I think they are both assholes.
    So I am going live for me. I’m going do what I feel like doing. I am not going hurt anyone, because I do have morals regardless of religion. But otherwise, I am pretty much just going do what I want from now on. And right now, it’s 11am, I am still in my underwear. and I want another beer.

    #558040
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    JVB
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    Keymaster needs to limit how long a new topic can be.

    Peace is > piece.

    #558046
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    So who created pain? Well, surely if the Bible is correct and God created all this, it must have been him right? It says in the Bible that God punished all women that would ever live with painful child bearing, and the monthly curse, which brings many women a lot of pain every month for about a week….. or roughly 25% of the time. And why did he do this? Because your great, great, great, great etc etc etc Grandmother ate a piece of fruit she was told not to eat. Overreact there much God??? Punish billions of women for a crime that their ancestor committed? WTF???

    Go back and read Genesis 3. The God I believe in did not create pain. He did, however, create the human nervous system and give it the capability to transmit pain impulses to / from the brain. Pain is our way of knowing “something is wrong”. This is why Leprosy is used as a biblical symbol for sin. Leprosy [aka Hansen’s disease] damages the body’s pain receptors, and the victim cannot feel his/her hand on a hot stove. This is how lepers lose fingers/toes/limbs.

    Genesis does not say a woman would be “cursed” with painful childbearing. It says her pains “will be increased” during childbearing.

    The “eating of the forbidden fruit” is far down the cascade of The Fall. First, was the belief in a lie [“You shall not surely die . . .] Second, was the broken circle of love and trust between Adam/Eve and God. Third was the action of eating the fruit [self preservation] because “it was pleasing to the eye and useful for obtaining knowledge.” The tree with the forbidden fruit was in the garden for the development of character of the first couple. Had they exercised their free will and chosen to avoid the eating of the fruit, their characters would have been developed and strengthened to the point where the fruit and the lies of the serpent would have not even tempted them.

    When women lead, destruction is the destination. -- Me.

    #558051
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    MGTOW_Mike
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    I am not a Christian but when I observe this universe, through my consciousness, I practice letting go. By this I mean letting go of trying to search for answers as to “who”/”what” created this universe and when. Whatever answer we come up with, no matter how plausible it may appear to be nor how “spiritual” we feel, we will NEVER be 100% satisfied with it. There will ALWAYS be “holes” (aka what ifs?) in it. Nothing is 100% certain.

    Many people fight with each other, “holy wars”, because they want to protect their identity and fundamental core beliefs at all costs. Letting go of a belief, no matter how authentic it may appear to be through the eye of the observer, it is a painful process, but a process that will lead to a tranquil mind.

    As soon an we, human beings, start believing in things, we start to pile layers and layers of distortion in our psyche. Just like how we all were brainwashed by society since birth.

    A tranquil mind is neither happy nor sad, it is uninfluenced by external conditions.

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    Anonymous
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    So who created pain? Well, surely if the Bible is correct and God created all this, it must have been him right? It says in the Bible that God punished all women that would ever live with painful child bearing, and the monthly curse, which brings many women a lot of pain every month for about a week….. or roughly 25% of the time. And why did he do this? Because your great, great, great, great etc etc etc Grandmother ate a piece of fruit she was told not to eat. Overreact there much God??? Punish billions of women for a crime that their ancestor committed? WTF???
    So…. by reason of proof, if you accept the Bible has the Gospel…. I made a funny there. Go ahead and chuckle. Then clearly… God uses pain to punish people.

    Negative Sir.
    pain is my Body´s means to signal my consciousness that something somewhere is wrong.

    As such, pain is an indicator, meant to be a massive helper to identify and rectify issues i experience.

    No more, no less.

    With regards to the “god” question… i turn my back on any Human who dares to make any claims.
    Humans are all wrong, and the technically correct (the best kind of correct) answer will be delivered to us individually… when we leave this “world”.
    And i have a gut feeling it will not be what ever humans have ever thought of it.
    If there is anything at all.
    lets wait and see.

    Don´t follow the religious hivemind… just walk away from that s~~~.

    #558060
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    MGTOW_Mike
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    With regards to the “god” question… i turn my back on any Human who dares to make any claims.

    Making a claim, imo, is like saying that “I know the answer to the universe”. Do I think Christianity is wrong? No…Do I think Christianity is right? No…

    The best thing we can do I just watch and learn, rather than adding our own 2c.

    A tranquil mind is neither happy nor sad, it is uninfluenced by external conditions.

    #558068
    DorkShit
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    I still am against organized religions.

    My study of Nicola Tesla placed many questions into my mind.

    Tesla and Edison had the feud of the currents. It is well known and documented. Edison DC and Tesla A.C..

    What is not discussed is the Tesla and Einstein fued. Or rather what Tesla thought of the scientists of his time.

    Tesla’s poem “Fragments of Olympian Gossip” coupled with his worldly view shakes the entire fragments of our society.

    Tesla wasn’t 100% sure about how our realm existed. But, he leaned heavily towards a realm within a machine. Electro magnetism.

    Tesla was 100% sure that the scientific conclusion that we exist on a sphere hurtling through space was fallacy. Einstein continued to “patch up” his theories to prove the spinning ball theory.

    Tesla’s poem says, “I am much too ignorant, my son,
    For grasping schemes so finely spun.
    My followers are of stronger mind
    And I am content to stay behind,
    Perhaps I failed, but I did my best,
    These masters of mine may do the rest.
    Come, Kelvin, I have finished my cup.
    When is your friend Tesla coming up.”

    This research has led me to one fact:
    When we circumnavigate the world we go East or West.
    We can never go South around to North.

    If Tesla was correct and our world is a “realm machine” as described biblically then it must have a creator.

    The only way to know for certain is to go to Antarctica and travel South.

    The fact that we cannot leads me to the theory that Santa Claus must be able to deliver a present to every boy and girl in a single night. I bet Einstein could prove this theory as well.

    Peace brothers

    #558071
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    Anonymous
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    “My Review of God”

    I think he sees us much better than we see him. Not even the worlds best biblical scholars have a mustard seed of faith.

    I can testify to one thing, faith has moved mountains for me that were insurmountable, all I had to do is wait for the answer to be delivered in due time.

    Can I prove god? NO.

    Can I disprove god? NO.

    I can ask impossible questions that nobody can honestly answer.

    How far away is up from down? Does it go on forever? does it stop and there’s nothing beyond that? Are we the only physical matter that ends into an endless sea of darkness with nothing beyond that? Or are there great unimaginable spans of absolutely nothing in between?

    When did time begin and when does it end?

    These are questions for god and you can damn well bet I’m gonna ask him when I see him!

    #558073
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    Autolite
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    I was an Atheist until about a year or so ago. I have since discovered that there is indeed something that created this planet, and that there are bigger things at work here than just humans.

    Atheism (like science) doesn’t claim to have all the answers. But because we can’t figure everything out means we should default to ‘it’s magic’.

    It drives people up the wall not being able to figure everything out. They need answers for everything. Attributing the stuff we can’t know or understand to a ‘god’ is just how many choose to deal with this lack of knowledge and understanding. Humans just hate not being able to figure something out so they invent an explanation to satisfy that lack…

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    Anonymous
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    As a child I enjoyed reading Greek/Roman mythology. Shrug, the stories were cool.

    One day it hit me that the stories in G/R mythology were very similar to stories in the Bible. This made me think and question.

    I also find it interesting that Old Testament G-d was a vengeful and wrathful G-d. If you crossed him he would smite your ass, big league. Hence the phrase G-d fearing Man.

    Later (after Christ?) G-d became a kindly grandfather type figure and it was Satan that one needed to fear.

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    Anonymous
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    Men make gods, no evidence yet of god made men.

    #558093
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    Autolite
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    As a child I enjoyed reading Greek/Roman mythology. Shrug, the stories were cool.

    One day it hit me that the stories in G/R mythology were very similar to stories in the Bible. This made me think and question

    Historian Richard Carrier does a good job of illustrating how Christianity (and the Christian bible) are just a compilation of previously existing beliefs, stories and myths. As an example there’s like at least three different ‘flood’ stories with only different details. And there are countless different gods all supposedly born on what we now call Christmas.

    If I were still a Christian Theist, I would have a very big problem knowing this today…

    #558095
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    Anonymous
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    Notable how atheists attack Christianity over every other form of religion ever to have existed.

    ^^^That, in and of itself, tells me there’s something to it…

    #558097
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    Anonymous
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    Notable how atheists attack Christianity over every other form of religion ever to have existed.

    ^^^That, in and of itself, tells me there’s something to it…

    The top dog that took it’s ideas from many Religions that came before it is surely going to receive the most attention.

    So much about Christianity is just re-hashed from Religions that came before it, it is absurd. Not something that Christians spend much time studying though I bet as it is easier to have Faith when you ignore Fact.

    #558099
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    Autolite
    Autolite
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    Notable how atheists attack Christianity over every other form of religion ever to have existed.

    ^^^That, in and of itself, tells me there’s something to it…

    I have a problem with all forms of bulls~~~. The OP gave me the impression that this thread was focused on the Christian god. Christianity is the religion currently on the table. You’re going to fault me for staying on topic?

    If you want, start your own separate thread on ghosts and I’ll attack that one too…

    #558101
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    Anonymous
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    As an example there’s like at least three different ‘flood’ stories with only different details. And there are countless different gods all supposedly born on what we now call Christmas.

    Yup.

    I also find it fascinating that there are several Christian Holy days that began as Pagan Holy Days/Celebrations.

    The Church could not get people to stop observing these days so they ‘stole’ them and changed them to fit the Church narrative.

    Easter is a real good example of this.
    Origins of Easter

    #558107
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    Autolite
    Autolite
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    The Church could not get people to stop observing these days so they ‘stole’ them and changed them to fit the Church narrative.

    Easter is a real good example of this.
    Origins of Easter

    It’s kinda ridiculous really that the Christians didn’t even think of changing the name of the holiday. “Ēostre” being a pagan goddess, you’d think it would have been a no-brainer giving the holiday a new title…

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C4%92ostre

    #558112
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    Surfdude12
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    So either God allows this and does nothing, or he has no power to stop it. THESE ARE THE ONLY 2 POSSIBILITIES!!!

    The former is God giving us free will

    The latter is God not giving us free will

    #558114
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    Surfdude12
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    C.S. Lewis had great metaphor for man trying to understand God: “Its like a bunch of blind men trying to understand the color yellow, and they’re all taking it very seriously! One asks you ‘that color yellow – is it hot or is it cold?’ and you say ‘neither’ and another asks ‘is it long or is it short?’ and you say ‘neither’, then another asks you ‘how many potatoes are in the color yellow?’ and you say ‘none’…then a few days later you look outside your window and 2 blind guys beating each other over the head – one is yelling ‘the color yellow is cold!!!!’ meanwhile the other blind man is screaming ‘no!!! the color yellow is 18 potatoes!!!!!’ and smacks other blind man with a cane”

    #558116
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    Lupus
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    “Who created pain… ect… ” = a logical fallacy called Begging the question.
    You’re already assuming creation.
    After that you keep going with the assertion that your hypothesis is correct and continue to go off the rails and down the rabbit hole.

    Please learn logical fallacies before diving into the mess that is religion. It will help you.
    I freed myself from indoctrination after over 30 years. I urge you to not fall for the trap.

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