Lots of MGTOW aren't very MGTOW

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Anonymous wrote:

I dont like rules.This just happen to be were Im at in life.

I appended…

In order to know if he’s “MGHOW”, any man can just ask himself if he is consciously making certain that his sovereignty, choices, decisions, successes and failures are architected and governed by him as much as possible. He’ll know the answer to that.

Maybe you can do that without imposing any “rules” on yourself, but I get attempts at control and manipulate from all sides constantly, so I need to carry a mental list of s~~~ I will tolerate and s~~~ I won’t.

A guy I have to deal with regularly is a major blue pill pansy pain in the ass (for example). I can’t stand the sight of him. Every time I see him, he’s always trying to get me to drop what I am doing veer off course.

Yesterday I ran into him and I was on my way somewhere…. and he thought he could just TELL me to come in and speak to him right then and there. That’s when my personal rule #XX comes in handy and the answer is “NO. I NEED 24 HOURS WITH A SCHEDULED & PLANNED APPOINTMENT”. He literally needs it beaten into his dense skull because he doesn’t f~~~ing get it.

It’s one tiny example where I need to establish boundaries.
Not even for “me” but for OTHERS.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Anonymous 54]

Understood. Your the Boss. Not the op.I am allways leary of the member that decides how hes gonna define all this, and we have to live up to his standards. The Biker in me aint havin that.I like the free form approach to the sight. I unddrst@nd your position and all that you have to deal with. But do rules and gidelines make it more of a club, rather than a pylosiphy?
We got married guys on here, guys struggling with blue pill leftovers.

Aw hell, I just dont like fellow mebers telling me he has set the bar I must reach.Like guys sayin you shoulnt have sex.Dont nobody need to be tellin each other what to do.

No disrespect.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Anonymous wrote:

But do rules and gidelines make it more of a club, rather than a philosophy? We got married guys on here, guys struggling with blue pill leftovers.

Well that’s something else. The address is just mgtow.com and it’s a site for red pill men before anything else.

Sometimes it helps to drop the “MGTOW” altogether because it’s not for everyone either. But the core tenets of MGTOW keep the trolls (like earlier today) out —- with their rules about “controlling women” and making them subservient/submissive housewives.

If we don’t have at least SOME “rules” and general tenets to practice, we can’t tell others their way is completely wrong for this audience and they should go somewhere else.

“sharing your life with your beloved wife” is the very anti-thesis of MGTOW.

Anonymous wrote:

No disrespect.

None taken.

I used your “witch hunt” joke today. It was perfect.
So we are friends for life.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Anonymous 54]

Like I said, I just dont like other members calling the shots. Like co workers who give you orders.

Of course Freinds.

And the witch thing isnt mine, but yea its great.

NEVER GET MARRIED

ok im a hypocrit! Hahaha

HEED MY WARNING

[PistolPeteParticipant 27143]

I’m sorry but this thread is completely extraneous. The point here is what?

[Anonymous 54]

PistolPete wrote:

I’m sorry but this thread is completely extraneous. The point here is what?

Hell I dont know! Hahahah.

[Ice-JiubParticipant 491]

When it comes down to it, we’re all going our own way. Sure, we’re running into others along the way, other men who’ll walk alongside us for a while or who’ll share what they know (or a few drinks). But ultimately, we all have to come to the end of our own ways alone.
Really, the basic MGTOW tenets lay out the main course, but you’re free to take the side routes if you want.

[Anonymous 1]

Keymaster wrote:

• Absolutely no marriage contract
• Absolutely no cohabitation with a female – do not give her a key to your place
• Date if want – and sex if it’s free – but if it threatens your sovereignty, get the f~~~ out
• Don’t speak to, engage or debate with combative women or feminists
• Do not reward a (violent) bitch with your time or attention.
• Exes are exes for a reason.
• Guard your sperm like Fort Knox.
• One chance. One Chick. Per lifetime. No exceptions.
• No caving.
• “No” as the default go-to response
• No simping or white knighting
• Women are a secondary consideration at best
• Female approval has as much value as her disapproval. None.

Many many checks for me, I think that if there was a MGTOW meter this would be it.

Anyway, we have many bros on the fence, married, cohabitating, etc.

Do not focus on how much a MGTOW IS MGTOW, focus on how you can help him by opening his eyes, because years of bluepills stick your head inside of your ass.

[bladeParticipant]

F~~~ am i mgtow or do i need to change some s~~~ to be more mgtow . I am f~~~ing confused enough in life in general . Is there a bar graph or something i can check on .

I will be who i am . Its like when religious people look down on someone for swearing but they do it away from the group or in there head they will say f~~~ and think of pussy and think god won’t see . Me … hi god how are the f~~~ are you and ya son bro .. There i am been true to god in who i am . F~~~ing over this new age world of sensitivity and who i am ment to be .what i can say and what i can not say because somd one might get hurt from a f~~~ing word . I don’t even know any more in my own f~~~ing head . I wish i could just f~~~ of and live in the bush like i did once ,no f~~~ing rules but my own. I use to think when i was out there how pitiful and f~~~ed society is . C~~~s waking up , go to work , watch tv and have c~~~s nagging , pay credit cards and bills . That is where true freedom is and heaven is the next . Society has become so f~~~ed up i hate this f~~~ed up world . I wish for society to collapse because i will not give a flying f~~~ . This world is fuelled on greed and stature . Stature won’t come into f~~~ing nothing at the collapse of society . I am me and don’t give a f~~~ in this world anymore what anyone thinks . Over s~~~ of having to ware a mask in life . Whats in me is pure f~~~ing pain. Unable to escape my mind . I feal trapped in a world i so thought was going to be different to what it is . Sick of pleasing . I look after my dad and not one c~~~ can come and spend a bit of time with him . This world is filled with evil . In the bush it’s god and nature . The way we are ment to live . I look out at the ocean . Even thats been f~~~ed over by greed . Seagull i so wanted to catch to get string wrapped around his legs . Rubbish left on beach by some f~~~tard new age c~~~s . No fish because of greedy fisherman . Places where i once walked in the bush to see koalas and sugar gliders and king fisher birds are gone . New age people who give a f~~~ about them selves with tunnel vision . Who has the most money , who is an intellectual, who has the best , who is this and that . CORRUPTION in this world i am realising goes beyond criminal acts . People including my self have fallin for some of this s~~~ . Wish I could f~~~ off . That will serve no one when s~~~ breaks down . There societal skills will not serve them in collapse .

THE PLANTATION HAS NOW TURNED INTO THE KILLING FIELDS . WOMAN ARE NOW ROLLING CAMBODIAN STYLE .

[FullMetalExoParticipant 2383]

I like the OP, but yeh

Keymaster wrote:

A guy I have to deal with regularly is a major blue pill pansy pain in the ass (for example). I can’t stand the sight of him. Every time I see him, he’s always trying to get me to drop what I am doing veer off course.

Yesterday I ran into him and I was on my way somewhere…. and he thought he could just TELL me to come in and speak to him right then and there.

I have a neighbor like that, takes my attention away from my education and my serenity of chilling at home. I had to ignore/say NO couple of times and proceed on with my day.

He got a landwhale girlfriend to-be-wife, they got credits (like 400$ credit for samsung android watch ) and a s~~~ty apartment that could use some cleaning time instead. Of course he already asked me for money to buy food at the same time (I said NO) and invited me to wedding (to which I said NO).

Wonderful. My biggest Red Pill 2017.

People like that seems to have no self discipline and behave like others got nothing better to do. I have real friends I would enjoy to meat instead. Living on the credits/debt is also alarmingly f~~~ing stupid and seems to be a plague that is catching up in Russia and Latvia.

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[bladeParticipant]

Having to act to fit into society .

THE PLANTATION HAS NOW TURNED INTO THE KILLING FIELDS . WOMAN ARE NOW ROLLING CAMBODIAN STYLE .

[Eric LauderParticipant 12043]

Hitman wrote:

“the male mind wants to be enslaved on a subconcious level”?
really ?
.
btw i’m not too bent out over this..
just perplexed..
sounds fishy..

It’s actually the same concept you can read in both Esther Vilar books.
Kicking others’ asses and provoking them in order to get a positive reaction isn’t the same as being “anti-male”.

Most men actually seems to enjoy being women’s servants through being protectors and providers, especially providers, “protectors” is mostly a charade meant to make you feel important while stoling your resources.

SUPREME LEADER KIM JONG-UN'S FASHION STYLIST - if you want a new look or if you're a very beautiful trans you can call me, phone number +85079255312 / mobile 01921421211. The worth of a man isn't the usefulness that women get from him. Avoiding living with a woman, a man isn't rejecting a lot of sex: he's rejecting sexual starvation. MGTOW IS TACKLING DOMESTIC VIOLENCE IN COMPLIANCE WITH CONVENTION OF ISTANBUL: http://www.coe.int/en/web/conventions/full-list/-/conventions/rms/090000168008482e --- Article 4, Section 4 "Special measures that are necessary to prevent and protect women from gender-based violence shall not be considered discrimination under the terms of this Convention". WHAT I LEARNT FROM A GENDER STUDIES CLASS IN LUND, SWEDEN: every time feminists accuses men of doing something, odds are likely either them or persons associated with them are doing the exact same thing but a lot worse. WHO I'M RIGHT NOW https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1okpAj7Fhw Basically my former life have been a conflict between this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yz_RQVkvke4 and this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFIMeyTK-sU That's, more or less, all about me.

[Eric LauderParticipant 12043]

Keymaster wrote:

What is exclusive to MGTOW?
Preserving one’s own sovereignty above all other things.

In order to do that successfully, some “rules” come into play.

• Absolutely no marriage contract
• Absolutely no cohabitation with a female – do not give her a key to your place
• Date if want – and sex if it’s free – but if it threatens your sovereignty, get the f~~~ out
• Don’t speak to, engage or debate with combative women or feminists
• Do not reward a (violent) bitch with your time or attention.
• Exes are exes for a reason.
• Guard your sperm like Fort Knox.
• One chance. One Chick. Per lifetime. No exceptions.
• No caving.
• “No” as the default go-to response
• No simping or white knighting
• Women are a secondary consideration at best
• Female approval has as much value as her disapproval. None.

etc.

I like and follow all those rules except the last one.
Female vaildation (sexual validation) have some value.
Female approval of non-sexual behavior is bad: it means you’re doing it wrong.
Female disapproval is wonderful: it means you’re doing it right for your interests 😀

SUPREME LEADER KIM JONG-UN'S FASHION STYLIST - if you want a new look or if you're a very beautiful trans you can call me, phone number +85079255312 / mobile 01921421211. The worth of a man isn't the usefulness that women get from him. Avoiding living with a woman, a man isn't rejecting a lot of sex: he's rejecting sexual starvation. MGTOW IS TACKLING DOMESTIC VIOLENCE IN COMPLIANCE WITH CONVENTION OF ISTANBUL: http://www.coe.int/en/web/conventions/full-list/-/conventions/rms/090000168008482e --- Article 4, Section 4 "Special measures that are necessary to prevent and protect women from gender-based violence shall not be considered discrimination under the terms of this Convention". WHAT I LEARNT FROM A GENDER STUDIES CLASS IN LUND, SWEDEN: every time feminists accuses men of doing something, odds are likely either them or persons associated with them are doing the exact same thing but a lot worse. WHO I'M RIGHT NOW https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1okpAj7Fhw Basically my former life have been a conflict between this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yz_RQVkvke4 and this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFIMeyTK-sU That's, more or less, all about me.

[Anonymous 1]

We all share the same beliefs in marriage, cohabitation and kids but beyond that it doesn’t matter which way you go and I wouldn’t attempt to dictate that to anyone. MGTOW becomes a bit preachy when you have people pushing that narrative.

OP is a good guy though.

[Anonymous 22]

Not sure if I am a ‘MGHOW’ or not. I’m not living in celibacy and somehow I get the feeling that if you’re not a monk, then you are not a real mghow.

Those terms don’t really matter though. What’s important is to be aware of women’s nature.

[SubtilitasParticipant 101]

“MGTOW” is neither philosophy, religion nor ideology, so therefrom no rules of who is a “man going his own way” or who is not can be deduced. Again, MGTOW are individuals who want to regain and reign over their sovereignty again – no matter how that may look like.

The rules (that are no rules), which Keymaster has pointed out, are merely logical consequences deriving from a man’s decision or attempt to regain sovereignty, which would require independence from women:

Keymaster wrote:

• Absolutely no marriage contract
• Absolutely no cohabitation with a female – do not give her a key to your place
• Date if want – and sex if it’s free – but if it threatens your sovereignty, get the f~~~ out
• Don’t speak to, engage or debate with combative women or feminists
• Do not reward a (violent) bitch with your time or attention.
• Exes are exes for a reason.
• Guard your sperm like Fort Knox.
• One chance. One Chick. Per lifetime. No exceptions.
• No caving.
• “No” as the default go-to response
• No simping or white knighting
• Women are a secondary consideration at best
• Female approval has as much value as her disapproval. None.

etc.

However, I have nobody ever heard saying that you couldn’t be a Man Going His Own Way while you are in a marriage or relationship. It is essentially about the mindset consisting of the awareness, recognition and understanding of a man’s self-ownership, value and sovereignty – and the very hope to act accordingly.

So, calm down, guys.

[Anonymous 54]

Anonymous wrote:

What’s important is to be aware of women’s nature.

This.

[JVBParticipant]

trader1913 wrote:

I see many veteran MGTOW living a stress-free, c~~~-free life. These are the men that have seen through women’s games from an early point in their life

Then I see many MGTOW, usually new, only being MGTOW because they have been inconvenienced in life. Some are angry that women rejected them, some have been devastated by divorce

How do you think the seasoned veteran MGTOW’s got to be that way ?

Peace is > piece.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

blade wrote:

Having to act to fit into society .

That’s a bummer if you believe you need to, but you can get away with not fitting in rather easily – even to the point of being admired for it.

Sometimes I will blurt something out that doesn’t fit in to social norms and it leaves people thinking “he can’t be serious”. Leave them wondering.

Subtilitas wrote:

However, I have nobody ever heard saying that you couldn’t be a Man Going His Own Way while you are in a marriage or relationship.

I already said it above ^^^ on this page.

“Sharing your life with your beloved wife” is the very anti-thesis of MGTOW”. .
In a marriage (or relationship) the entire point is to not GYOW.

Eric Lauder wrote:

I like and follow all those rules except the last one.

Female approval of non-sexual behavior is bad: it means you’re doing it wrong.
Female disapproval is wonderful: it means you’re doing it right for your interests

Valid!

Someone might misread that because it can comes off that you rely on female approval / disapproval as indicators – which they are in a way – but I know you meant to be backhanded and clever.

Meaning….

Female disapproval ( “you’re a jerk” ) is really not a bad thing, or a loss.
Female approval ( “aw you’re so sweet!” ) is a sign you’re doing something wrong.

True.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Anonymous 54]

Keymaster wrote:

Female disapproval ( “you’re a jerk” ) is really not a bad thing, or a loss.
Female approval ( “aw you’re so sweet!” ) is a sign you’re doing something wrong.

True.

This I have learned here.

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