Looking Back On Life…

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[Gravel PitParticipant]

In any event, its not true anyway, that life is worse than never having been born at all… because Life is clearly excellent and worth living. Our 5 senses, though mundane and dulled, give us a rich neurocawktail of happiness if we balance our nutrition and activity right. Life is splendid! You know this. And it is certainly worth sharing and making more of ourselves depending on your station in life.

THIS IS JUST A GENERAL APPRAISAL OF THE HUMAN EXPERIENCE.

Obviously, many of us have chosen not to bring life on to this planet due to the misandric legal system… or for our disenchantment with women’s instinctive hypergamy. These are individual’s choices in this Era in time… but these temporary issues with our current state of evolution do not automatically make the 6 million year old hominid tree an Net Negative endeavor.

If the experience of Being, was a net negative, we wouldnt be here. That is why the blueprint for genetics makes it so that we experience the sensation of happiness through chemicals. We evolved this way. If antinatalism were true, we would not have survived. Instead of surviving, our depressed ancestors would have voluntarily walked into the Lions mouth

[Sky-OParticipant 18949]

Gravel Pit wrote:

the blueprint for genetics makes it so that we experience the sensation of happiness through chemicals.

Just want to give a shout out and mad props to adrenaline and endorphins.

[AutoliteParticipant]

Gravel Pit wrote:

That’s exactly my point. If you dont have a brain to receive sensory data, there is no experience to judge life’s experience from, good or bad!

Why then did you make a reference to non-existence being ‘Hell’ in a previous post? Once we’re born, we are then compelled or driven to survive with all of life’s associated misery, suffering and sorrow. What is so wrong with ‘nothingness’ compared to that? The fact that there is no “brain to receive sensory data” in non-existence is a bonus IMO…

[Sky-OParticipant 18949]

[AutoliteParticipant]

Sky-O wrote:

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The proponents of VHEMT address this…

Q: Why don’t you just kill yourself?

This could be the most frequently asked question of all. Fair enough question: if we’re so bad for whatever habitat we’re occupying, why don’t we just stop it? There are several reasons why retroactive birth control isn’t a part of VHEMT.

As explained above, increasing death is like trying to bail out a sinking boat without plugging the leak. People are flooding in twice as fast as they’re bailing out.

It’s hard enough just to get people to consider not breeding. Advocating suicide, by any method besides old age, would be a particularly hard sell. There’s no way we could convince enough people to kill themselves to make a difference, especially after we’re too dead to talk. Suicide doesn’t set an example others will follow.

Death comes soon enough — far too soon for many of us. After working most of our lives, a dozen years of retirement isn’t too much to ask. Those years may be dedicated to humanitarian and environmental causes.

Shortening an existing person’s life by a few decades doesn’t avoid as many years of human impact as not creating a whole new life—one with the potential for producing more of us. Four people would have to die 20 years early to offset one new human with 80 years ahead of them, unless they breed.

We have a responsibility to help the world as much as we’re able before we die. Leaving the work for others would be irresponsible.

VHEMT is a cause to live for not to die for.

http://www.vhemt.org/death.htm#killself

http://www.vhemt.org/suicide.htm

[Gravel PitParticipant]

Sky-O wrote:

Just want to give a shout out and mad props to adrenaline and endorphins.

amen brother! Thats the only reason Im still here. neurotransmitters

[AutoliteParticipant]

Sky-O wrote:

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We’re not talking about suicide here. VHEMT, Antinatalism nor I are advocating suicide. We’re talking about not procreating to begin with. Do you honestly, sincerely not understand the difference???

[Gravel PitParticipant]

Autolite wrote:

a reference to non-existence being ‘Hell’

I said that, For All You Know… nonexistence is hell. We do not know what its like… You cant just say, “its like sleeping…” Its not LIKE anything. That is why you cant compare it to this reality. Whatever though, I already said it alot….

[Gravel PitParticipant]

Autolite wrote:

We’re talking about not procreating to begin with.

We’re talking about people who are attempting to make a moral argument for not procreating.

If antinatalism is not absurd enough at face value, and deserving of being dismissed as depressed sensationalism, I laid out philosophical and biological arguments for why that line of thinking is false.

1. Philosophically. Its a false correlation. Their main argument is a logical fallacy.
2. Biologically. The basic human genome is a Net Joyful experience by way of neurotransmitters as to ensure our very survival.

The Black Pill sh!t takes people too far down man.

I will remind you all that Iam an ATHEIST and Im totally SOBER. No drugs, alcohol, antidepressent or tobacco –zilch. I drink coffee…
Im about as sober and skeptical as they come.

Im not making an argument against Antinatalism as a Christian who thinks we’re supposed to safeguard the wellbeing of eternal souls or that we should be fruitful and multiply as directed by God. No. Im telling you as a total sober atheist with zero faith or dependence on mind altering chemicals, that life is just fine and worth living. The primary state of being, before you introduce the experience of life’s challenges or rewards, is a positive experience.

It doesnt even matter how blissful and rewarding life could be, EVEN IF WE WERE ALL LIVING IN A PERPETUAL LIVING HELL IN CONSTANT PAIN, the argument that it would be better to have not been born, is STILL a baseless emotional logical fallacy because there is no comparison from non-existence to existence.

[AutoliteParticipant]

Gravel Pit wrote:

I said that, For All You Know… nonexistence is hell. We do not know what its like… You cant just say, “its like sleeping…” Its not LIKE anything

We’re both Atheists. I don’t think I’d be going too far out on a limb here to suggest that we both are reasonably sure what non-existence is most likely ‘like’…

[Gravel PitParticipant]

Autolite wrote:

We’re both Atheists. I don’t think I’d be going too far out on a limb here to suggest that we both are reasonably sure what non-existence is most likely ‘like’…

Ill grant that bro. Truly, unBeing is a blank state.

But I wont sell out our Home Team like that. I like the human species. Once presented with the whole of what Humanity is, all the stinginess of it, all the happiness, and also stepping back and viewing it objectively from the outside — a bunch of vain netherapes with limited sense and senses … still, its worth continuing because it is what it is….

to say that its not worth continuing is a resignation and mark or true pessimism. I cant get on board with that. I understand the depths of misery that can occur in human experience. Still, that pain is worth feeling. The pain is a sort of joy, just another great feeling to experience. To say that it would be better to not feel at all, I cant relate to that. I worry about that persons mental health.

[SpiderHerderParticipant 3783]

Agree to disagree, right ? Anyone wanna a beer ? And herbal tea for you, Gravel ? hahaha

I like herbal tea. Green tea makes me pee like crazy.

Anyway, good day !

[AutoliteParticipant]

Gravel Pit wrote:

I understand the depths of misery that can occur in human experience. Still, that pain is worth feeling.

Perhaps that’s the crux of our differences. I don’t recall experiencing any level of joy, pleasure or happiness that was even close to being ‘worth-it’. If I were offered the option of another life after this one ends, knowing what I know now, I’d decline the offer. I think I would find non-existence more appealing. I guess it’s just a personal thing.

Maybe I can compare it to a really bad relationshhit break-up that I went through some 30 years ago. Being BP back then, I thought that the relationshhit was going really well and that everything was fine. But I was blindsided! All the ‘good times’ (in retrospect) are now just painful memories. I was duped and played for a fool.

Knowing what I now know about women and relationshhits, I wouldn’t put myself through that ever again. I now rather that the relationshhit never happened at all. There just wasn’t anything about it that was near being ‘worth-it’…

[Gravel PitParticipant]

maybe my zeal for life will fade away with age. Im 33. Maybe when Im 60, I would rather not do it all over again.

If given the choice for a life after this one, Id 100 percent say Yes, serve it up!

That is so striking, a difference in opinion. To each his own

[Branched offParticipant 10967]

I like the things you are saying Gravel pit. Its good to have you on the home team.

There may be some built in safety valves with populations. All this rising homosexuality and metrosexuality and gender bending may just be nature’s way of weeding out the some specimens from the breeding pool. Depression and not thinking life is worth all the suffering may also be a safety valve -if the brain is not happy it may be because something is wrong -either circumstantially or physiologically. Also there are a few guys on here who say “I wasn’t cut out for fatherhood and I knew it, so I avoided it” Again these guys may have been listening to a voice from within and choosing what was best in their case. I am happy to let these guys go. They are probably following their inner truth and so long as they don’t try imposing it on us all its all good.

What I hate to see is good men being made too afraid by the gynocentric legal system, and the cost of living for ordinary poor folk to undertake a hard journey to a worthwhile goal. Someone has to keep playing for the home team. Humanity is limited but don’t let the self hating liberals get you down. Being human is dam cool. We actually understand more about the world than any other animal in its history. We can travel huge distances on it. We have cool weapons. Take all that way and a good day’s physical work your mates, watching the embers of a fire, playing with your kids and the act of procreating still make for darn good entertainment. The man who is tired of life is tired of his life not life itself. The great game goes on and when the ball comes your way, take it and run with it if you want to make the team, better still call for the pass.

A woman is like fire -fun to play with, can warm you through and cook your food, needs constant feeding, can burn you and consume all you own

[AutoliteParticipant]

Gravel Pit wrote:

maybe my zeal for life will fade away with age. Im 33. Maybe when Im 60, I would rather not do it all over again

I find that interesting. IIRC I felt the same when I was 33 as I do now. My life has always been (and still is) a constant never ending struggle with very little reward. I’m just not sure what the attraction is for anyone wanting to do the same thing all over again. I guess it really is up to each individual how they feel about it. The only thing that keeps me going now is my survival instincts and seeing whatever it is you guys will post next… 😀

[iMickey503Participant 12465]

Autolite wrote:

Gravel Pit wrote:

The sort of sustained pessimism required to subscribe to antinatalism is telling of an emotional/spiritual/moral bankruptcy.

How so? Instead of just bashing the concept of antinatalism, convince me that existence is better than nonexistence…

People right books about this question. So Naturally, I can answer this. With a video. That’s just as long. But since I’m sick, and blather a lot, this may or probably is not all that helpful…

But short answer? And the Truth? I don’t like where this question is going. So I would rather lie to you then tell you what I think is the truth. Why? Like it or not, you are not living for you. You are living for me. Other people. And they benefit from you. I benefit from you. We all benefit from you. Even Carnage benefits from you.

So… Maybe for you there is no benefit to yourself as a person. But I would have to say that “Optimists” in this thread don’t have a reason either.

But steak is a lot better with a blow job. And no one complains about life when your b~~~~ are bouncing on a Persons chin. Maybe that’s why its worth existing—To enjoy things in life.

I’ve lied to a lot of people in my lifetime. I told a person once that there was a god as they lay their dying. I told people that hope was right around the corner when I did not know it to be true. I was even going to lie to you and say it was simply for the fear of you leaving me alone. I am selfish. I admit that. And I want you here. And that in no way benefits you that I can see. Its for me. Sometimes, you tell lies just so you can have hope that it will be true.

Maybe where it all went wrong for me is that I learned at a very early age that life was simply pain, and existence even love is nothing but pain. There is no meaning. There is no point. My friends that died are dead. Cody nor the other guy is never coming back. But I remember what his grandmother said to me about God at Cody’s funeral. she is long gone but I remember her and her husband standing there. I could not pick them out in a crowd. But I remember them. Maybe that is all it is. A lie that we tell ourselves enough times till we believe it.

I wanted to believe that this world was a good world. It was where I would meet the girl I always wanted. And we would love each other till the very end of time. We would go to heaven, and live our lives happy forever. We would do great things. I would be the person who would change the entire world for the better. I don’t know how or why I had this notion, but I did.

Almost everything I thought was true? It wasn’t So why did I keep thinking that it was going to change when I got older and maybe wiser? I don’t know Auto-light. Maybe I just wanted or needed it to be true. As an admission, I already had the years of my death planned out. first 17. Then 23. Then 27. I came up with that at maybe 12 years of age. I picked those ages cuz I thought they felt right. And even though I was right about everything. I still kept going on. I did not want to believe that what I was really seeing is that life is nothing but pain just as I said at a very young age.

I know I am 40 years old. But I clearly remember the day I gained consciousness. Or maybe that is when my soul came in? But that day, I remember going into my parents room after waking up and saying. “I REMEMBER”. It was the first day of life. I may have been maybe 4-5 years old at that point. But I remember that day. And for some reason I had diarrhea, and clearly said to my parents “WOW I CAN PEE LIKE A GIRL”… How I came up with that is still a mystery to me, but whatever. I never at that point had diarrhea before that I can remember. There are so many other odd things in life that while growing up, I questioned that I ever did them. I don’t remember peeing on the T.V. I don’t remember taking my Dads Ford Galaxy for a drive…. Backwards down a hill. But supposedly, I did all these things and I don’t have the faintest recollection of any of them.

So I have asked myself did I choose one day to exist? I sure happened to do a lot of things without me being there for them. So what is the explanation?

I’ve always thought that what you name your kids is who they turn out to be. I never got to name my first two kids, but with the idea of naming the first one Volvo, it might have been a good idea it was taken out of my Hands. Maybe it was just me, but my parents started calling me Mickey instead of Salesh. Even today, I have no idea who this Salesh is. But, I write it down each time I fill out paperwork.

The other oddity to life was that at 15, I thought I found the girl of my dreams. Not thought. I knew it. I knew that I was going to spend the rest of my life with her. Then my buddy asked her out first, and f~~~ that did not work out as planned, and there goes my perfect life. And yes, I still even now still believe that. Mostly. Thinking about it, it seems I may still be in that very same mindset that I was when I was 15. Like I already lost out, and it was never going to be good again. And even now, there are days that I still think that way. If ONLY I did not hesitate. Maybe my life would be different.

My mind and its logic says that the notion of my grand plan or idea has some serious flaws in it. Maybe if we really did lose our virginity to each other, (Fat chance with what I found out later) maybe it would have been just the way I saw it. And when I say saw it, I mean that. Not like a film. Not like a book. I just knew it. Could not explain why. And why this girl? I had PLENTY TO CHOOSE FROM. Why HER? I don’t know. I can’t even answer that.

You know, when I was getting married to my first wife? You know the brightest part of that day was? Seeing her there at the day of the wedding, with her Husband, My other best friend at the time.

(I know I know, this sounds like a Blue Pills wet dream but it is what it is.) And the whole time, I was only getting married since she said she was pregnant, and it was of course, the Honorable thing to do. I did not love her. In fact, the bitch broke my heart being my first girlfriend, and here I am marrying her. Simply because of obligation that she got pregnant. My mom and sister did not even show up to the wedding. Turns out she was right it was not my kid. But even then, I still never could believe it till almost 16 years later. Slow learner I guess.

My point autolight, if it was not for MGTOW, I all the things I went through, I would have never been able to say this, but I am so thankful that this life I live now is mine. I don’t get it, but I’m not mad right now. I’m sad. I don’t think that is going away. But looking back and knowing how horrible my life has been. How much Misery and loss and time and experience I will never get to enjoy again? I would do all of it over in a heart beat just so that the next time? I ask her out first.

This next time, I’m going to do it better. And I’m not sure if there is a redo in life. But this one? It’s already almost over. I don’t know when. But I don’t care. As horrible as it is to admit, the only reason I bother to keep living is that I have not bought a car that goes fast enough yet, and I got family I have to look out for.

Take this with a grain of salt, but sometimes, I think men understand that its over. Like this is the final greatest point in their life and it’s all down hill from here. The question is, how do you know when that time comes? In the movies it’s usually some illness. But in real life, when does that time come and how do you know? I’m rather hesitant to ask that question myself since I think I already solved that puzzle.

The lie I wanted to tell you? Was that I think its better to exist.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/2l5AysYrry0X/

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[iMickey503Participant 12465]

And about VHEMT?

You already understand White man’s Burden, Why the hell do you still want to work for some other Person?

“Phasing out the human race by voluntarily ceasing to breed will allow Earth’s biosphere to return to good health. Crowded conditions and resource shortages will improve as we become less dense.”

So you know how women tend to see things? Take a look at what you are looking at below.

Now is there a BIT of.. Oh… White Guilt going on here?

And people think THIS GUY is EVIL? Cuz he wants you to NOT go INSTINCT?

Does any of this sound like Feminism? A lot of these things are simply how women get told to see things.

Do these people have a POINT? YEA! They do! But wait, just like you put poop in the ground, and plants love it? Well, people are going to see all sorts of benefit from you. Like it or not, the FAMILY is a WEALTH MACHINE. And EVERYONE gets benefits from you being alive. Even men in jail give the state $900 a day. These are people who are in JAIL. Think about that. So like it or not, everyone is enjoying the fruits of your labor.

And maybe the problem is STUPID PEOPLE. Mixed with JUST ENOUGH SMARTS that make them dangerous. Remember the lady that set fire to her home and the neighbors home with a “WEED KILLER” that used Garden Flame Thrower? Well, maybe that’s the problem? No where do I see in any of these where the people in these comics are saving people from sickness, or helping other people eat or get off drugs or teaching or providing wonder.

In fact, Nina points it out very well here:

And if you ever take the time to notice the art and the outlook of some of these (and really good art work here) drawings, you will see that the outlook that these people have are not based in how our civilization strives for good things Nuclear power being bad for example. It’s simply a case of learning how to do waste management like Nature does it. And you can’t do that if you give up now.

In their media, you can tell these people are very alone. And I think that is the problem. For me, I don’t know about you, but I notice that women who are cancer survivors have a different outlook on life. I think really there is this point that people simply need to do hit a rock bottom. And if they don’t they can’t see what they should see. Watching this video will mean one thing to me, and another for anyone else. But Ilness and the way your body feels is a big part of it.

And Let me tell you something. IF YOU LOOK HARD ENOUGH> WHO THE HELL DO YOU FIND BEHIND ALL THIS @#$@#%@#$

Our Grand Lord and Master of the SINGLE BIGGEST reason why our WORLD is F~~~ED UP TODAY..
ANDREA DWORKIN! Yes. THIS C~~~.

Let me remind you, if you happen to get a hold of this F~~~ing Gernade for your life, you will never be the same at a young age. I picked up mine at a garage sale. Worst mistake I ever made.

If you want to see why these folks all follow on the “Kill your self” mantra, go as far as this book, and after reading it, have a noose ready as a young man. Now imagine taking that outlook to adult hood?

Let me remind you, Does it seem like she was just simply replacing MAN and WOMEN by swapping out the sayings? Yea. I think so.

Why is it that what she was talking about so moving? Simply put, she took a man’s experience, and made it her own. Not only that, but I feel that she hated the fact that she was not a man. And that really f~~~ed with her head. In fact, she was never a GREAT looking woman as you can see. So there goes all of the entitlement. She looked as sex as something so empty of emotion, love and caring and lack of joy, that this just manifested in her writing.

I hate to say it, but once you get in the danger zone of I.Q. and happen to never meet that magic person in your life that gives you any hope? Limit yourself to logic and logic only. Only seeing life as a bank account. You get this view.

Look, Nina and many women and men that subscribe to life on these terms and their ideologies all have good points. But maybe they are missing out on why? ME, Gravel pit and so many other people do things cuz it FEELS GOOD. BOTTOM LINE. And I feel good when I give things and time to people. I LOVE doing it for just the smile. I like using my skills to help people. And maybe it’s just that I have been born with this gift of seeing things this way. But it does not go past me that the world has MANY things to fix.

Autolight, you said you were a mechanic. Well, what have you fixed that people enjoy having around or seeing? I think if people got to see your talent. Or even some of the cool things you do, maybe it would be spark that wonder. I still feel that I have so much to do and I am never going to be able to do it all before I die. And that may give me a false sense of urgency. Or maybe a false reason to live.

You can see from Nina’s post here, that she also is a person who values Andrea Dworkins musings….

Nina happens to be a fan. Does the connection make sense?
https://blog.ninapaley.com/

Let me reminds you, the reason why these people hold on to their views? Is sadly, they knew men like Mr. Epstein in their lives. Being lured by the idea that what they were doing was right. And since they knew deep down what was going on but looked the other way, you get a real bad outlook of people. Especially, since your funding comes from them.

You get this outlook when you simply go with the flow of people. Like when the doctor we have that was a whistle blower, and said, F~~~, never doing that again.. Well? HE DID. And guess what? Does he feel bad about it? HELL NO. I don’t think so. All the s~~~ he got told his mind it was the right thing to do. And? Does he feel like his life is bad? Not when when he Boinks that Hot Escrot!

I think some people just never had the courage to follow their minds . And those that think they got a bad deal forget that they got the life they have by doing what was right and not getting any reward. I think men need to stop and think about nobility for a second. I think many are selling themselves short. And people around just don’t see or have been told not to see that even your average Joe Mechanic never let a plane fall out of the sky, and engine leave without being perfectly fit for duty, or took short cuts with other peoples lives.

Maybe you just need a thank you. I want to thank you. THat extra time and effort you spent making sure you did not f~~~ over the next guy? THat means something.

Now go get a BLOW JOB.

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[iMickey503Participant 12465]

THe comics are missing, but tale a look at the page.
http://www.vhemt.org/biobreed.htm#babies

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