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How long does it take to get through this? How do you finally come to terms with it? How do you get to the place were you no longer see, care or notice there are any women on this planet?
All of this happens the moment you regain your sovereignty and realize that, by yourself, you are whole and complete. Everything else is just peripheral.
Untamed wrote: Quit complaining and Go Your Own Way in whatever manner suits you best.
Anonymous0Yes it is a c~~~.
Are you two serious?
Whoa on up now. I was c~~~-punted myself a few hours ago because of tuna craving c~~~ kickers.
My comment ‘yes it is a c~~~’ was referring to hadenough’s comment…yes, your situation is a c~~~.
F~~~ me everyone around here is f~~~ing going crazy paranoid for tuna.
Whoa on up now. I was c~~~-punted myself a few hours ago because of tuna craving c~~~ kickers.
My comment ‘yes it is a c~~~’ was referring to hadenough’s comment…yes, your situation is a c~~~.
F~~~ me everyone around here is f~~~ing going crazy paranoid for tuna.
You just missed that I actually defended you?
And, no
How do you start seeing them as just a piece of meat to be used and then discarded?
Those weren’t my worries when I was in the middle of the divorce, my first and only divorce from a woman who wasn’t a narc.
My worries weren’t about “it sounds so impossible to see women as object” – seeing women as objects would have been a great progress, because my feelings were a mix of terror and rage, but way more the first.
She had way more power than what I had.
You don’t worry about people treating vampires as objects when you’re in front of the Count Dracula.
Actually, the idea that there are people treating such major threat as an object is empowering for you.SUPREME LEADER KIM JONG-UN'S FASHION STYLIST - if you want a new look or if you're a very beautiful trans you can call me, phone number +85079255312 / mobile 01921421211. The worth of a man isn't the usefulness that women get from him. Avoiding living with a woman, a man isn't rejecting a lot of sex: he's rejecting sexual starvation. MGTOW IS TACKLING DOMESTIC VIOLENCE IN COMPLIANCE WITH CONVENTION OF ISTANBUL: http://www.coe.int/en/web/conventions/full-list/-/conventions/rms/090000168008482e --- Article 4, Section 4 "Special measures that are necessary to prevent and protect women from gender-based violence shall not be considered discrimination under the terms of this Convention". WHAT I LEARNT FROM A GENDER STUDIES CLASS IN LUND, SWEDEN: every time feminists accuses men of doing something, odds are likely either them or persons associated with them are doing the exact same thing but a lot worse. WHO I'M RIGHT NOW https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1okpAj7Fhw Basically my former life have been a conflict between this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yz_RQVkvke4 and this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFIMeyTK-sU That's, more or less, all about me.
Fortunately I am was confused by all of this to recognized what he was calling me in his first post with the Tuna reference. Thanks to those that came to my defense.
She is blowing up my phone now/overnight with demands for this and that, warnings that her attorney will be after me soon etc. So in addition to having my guts ripped out as someone mentioned, I am now wondering what legal manipulation will be coming next.
Again, cannot thank the community enough for the replies and all the information and encouragement contained therein.
I do not ever see women returning to decent behavior in my lifetime. Therefore, no other options remain open but to cut them all out of my existence and make the best of what is left. Contribute nothing to support a society that supports abysmal female behavior. Females in any group are unbearable to be around and one on one they will use whatever you say to them to put you in the worst possible light when they are with their sistren. Much better to forget about it all. Who among us wants to live with a used up slore who has had every guy you know? None for me.
Is MGTOW really the only option left?
You’re looking at this wrong. Only option? You make it sound like MGTOW has less freedom then marriage, when exactly the opposite is true. Going MGTOW means you have the freedom to do whatever you want to do, while marriage means you only get to do what she allows you to do…and with only a portion of your hard earned funds.
I’m not trying to minimize the pain and frustration you’re going through, I’ve been there and understand. But things get better, especially when you realize that you’ve been set free. Marriage is restrictions, while MGOTW is whatever you make of it.
Ok. Then do it.
MGTOW
Is the ONLY logical response.
Im very sorry.
frankly my dear i don't give a damn
My comment ‘yes it is a c~~~’ was referring to hadenough’s comment…yes, your situation is a c~~~.
In that case I owe you an apology. I do apologize
Women's brains and vagina have one thing in common. There is nothing in there until a man puts something in there.
MGTOW is whatever you feel that is your own way.
But as this entire forum agree with, anyones way here won’t be end married with a psycho bitch.Last, don’t beat yourself up so much about being ‘conned’ twice. You have not been conned so much as that you have made an enormously generous commitment to what was once a noble and necessary institution of partnership. The destruction of that partnership by a misguided government and short sighted, ungrateful and immature women is their mistake, not yours.
I only got conned once, but this paragraph really hits home. What a good way to word “it wasn’t you who f~~~ed up…”
And with MGTOW, there is no reason to let someone else f~~~ you up again…
Well played.
Anonymous11I am struggling to believe it impossible for a woman to love a man for who he is.
By hamster logic, you exist solely as a utility for her to extract resources. Once the the resource is no longer there or fully extracted, she branches over to the next sucker. Modern women are for the most part allowed to run feral.
MGTOW is your only option if you value yourself. Don’t feel guilty about being conned. Women are highly adept manipulators. They are professionals of manipulation. You can’t even get mad at them for that, because such behaviors once served a purpose back in Paleo times. Things will get better over time even though it does not seem like it right now.
A woman does not love the way a man does. It’s that simple. “I love you” from a woman means absolutely nothing. A woman only loves what a man is. Wealthy or abusive it does not matter. A woman is not capable of love.
They’ve even lost the ability to do woman’s work.
Anonymous18A woman does not love the way a man does. It’s that simple. “I love you” from a woman means absolutely nothing. A woman only loves what a man is. Wealthy or abusive it does not matter. A woman is not capable of love.
Just to add to what @CP said.
Simply ask a woman about love. Yes, any one reading this – just ask. She will literally trip over her own words and can’t explain it. No woman can. She will give a hallmark greeting card definition. And all you have to do is ask more.
In the end it will boil down to what the man can do for her at his own expense.
The real power in the manipulation women use is deflecting their true intentions by using a man’s own idealistic approach to love and be loved as a surrogate defiance to her own lack of understanding of love.
This is powerful stuff guys. If only someone had told me at age 15 that “I Love You” from a women meant absolutely nothing. My life would have been completely different.
Let’s talk about another facet of all this that is kicking my butt at the moment. I have been nofap for nearly a year with a couple relapses during that time during initial physical separation and then during the serving of papers. It has now been many months without any kind of activity. I don’t like what porn use does to my brain (dopamine dependency, depression, weakness, lack of concentration, severe ED) so I am not going to go back to that.
It sounds like even meeting women at large for no other reason than relief is fraught with risk. They can simply accuse you of rape the morning after or call the cops while you are still there. Nevertheless, several times over the past couple weeks I was so in need I could hardly take it.
My attorney says I can’t do anything at all with a woman until the divorce is final. If I do, I risk my adversary claiming infidelity in court. I can mentally stay strong until this is final (I think) if a I have a plan of what I will do after I am “free”. Is a trip to NV the only truly safe and logical path? How do all of you deal with this?
Going your own way should have always been the supported and accepted default setting for all men.
From what I read/see from ancient and modern history, it has been what men have done right up until we acquiesce to the demands and expectations of others.
MGTOW just expands the horizons of what you are not willing to personally allow or tolerate any longerMarriage/cohabitation/LTR’s are actually the option.
If you look at your life, you will probably see that you have actually done pretty much your own thing within the confines of the rules of what governments, society, and others demand of you.When divorcing/terminating a “relationship”.
First, always lawyer up, it is better to have a good lawyer on retainer, then to have to sort through what’s available during the wrath of clam phase.
(I say “wrath of clam” because in every one of my relationship experiences, it has always been about her/them seeking revenge for every perceived wrong doing (real or imagined) on my part regardless of what the truth was).Gather supporting evidence, record everything, never be alone with her, nor allow yourself to be ambushed by her or her “supporters”.
Never lie, or misrepresent anything, she will already have that covered. There is only one position available for the “victim” and despite all the damage she is about to do to you, she already has that position automatically and arbitrarily assigned to her due to her gender. F~~~ it, sooner or later everything comes out in the wash, all you can do is minimize the damage.Learning late is a f~~~ ton better than never learning at all.
There was a time in my life when I gave a fuck. Now you have to pay ME for it
Anonymous18I can mentally stay strong until this is final (I think) if a I have a plan of what I will do after I am “free”. Is a trip to NV the only truly safe and logical path? How do all of you deal with this?
No offence man, but that is some teenage s~~~.
No-fap does wonders. Using women for sex does more wonders. The latter isn’t worth cost-benefit analysis.
The former = sexual transmutation.
Personal journey into that – keep going, give in to temptation, jerk it, get up (you not the dick), and try again. Fail and try again.
Repeat for 6 months.
You will have nerves stronger than steel when it comes to pussy allure.
Never rely on porn to jerk off. It’s mental poison.
Meditate. There is blessing in solitude. F~~~ positive thoughts. Try living 5 minutes in a day with ZERO thoughts.
Respect thy self. Improve, improve, improve. Exercise, good diet. Avoid alcohol, drugs, gossip, women in general.
Nothing is in isolation- things are interconnected.
One step after another and the journey begins.
In short, jerk off when you need to. Avoid porn. Never start to jerk off to get off.
To get off is when you jerk off.
Peace brother.
How do you reconcile, “It is not good for man to be alone” with “It is too dangerous to be involved with women?” How do you become a non-feeling hardened robot that finally just stops giving a f~~~ about any of them? How do you start seeing them as just a piece of meat to be used and then discarded?
How do I get there guys, and how long will this mental back and forth purgatory last?
Thanks
It’s a tough pill to swallow, and it can f~~~ you up. You don’t come out a robot, you come out very enlightened and very zen from it all once the rage passes. So far as treating them as a piece of meat to be used and discarded? That part’s easy. Just know that EVERY WOMAN ON THE PLANET will do the same if you give them the chance. They will throw you out once they have what they want whether that’s kids, money, or a house(Hey in a divorce they usually get it all).
Just know it’s an illusion, that they might bash men for f~~~ing and leaving women but most divorces will be initiated by women because they have the most to gain from it.
Also, it helps to know that women have always been like this, for as long as time. It’s just very recently that we’ve equipped women so well to ruin a man’s life. They have no social expectations while men do, there were social stigma in the past to keep women from showing their true nature. Women have always been like this. It’s like learning that Santa Claus or the Tooth Fairy aren’t real. Yeah it sucks, but you eventually get over it and think back to the time that you thought they were real as funny. You believe a lie like that long enough, most of your life, it sucks even worse.
Just know that now, you are better equipped than ever to live and deal with women. This isn’t the end, this is a new beginning. You know the truth now. Now you can play the game and do what makes you happy. If you want pussy, you can get it and not feel bad about tossing them aside because they will use you and take you for everything that you’re worth. Or better yet, you can just avoid them and be happy. It’s a constant tug of war in your mind.
Feminism is a movement where opinions are presented as facts and emotions are presented as evidence.
Fortunately I am was confused by all of this to recognized what he was calling me in his first post with the Tuna reference. Thanks to those that came to my defense.
She is blowing up my phone now/overnight with demands for this and that, warnings that her attorney will be after me soon etc. So in addition to having my guts ripped out as someone mentioned, I am now wondering what legal manipulation will be coming next.
Again, cannot thank the community enough for the replies and all the information and encouragement contained therein.
Okay.
My advice.
It worked fine with me.
Be very kind with her.
Pretend to be still in love with her.
Offer her to pay 50% her lawyer.
Look for a good but generic and MALE lawyer for her, and a VERY good FEMALE lawyer specialized in divorces for yourself.
Take time by urging a marriage counsellor. Hear the counsellor with her, at least three times before “giving up”.
Buy your wife flowers, at least two times, during this phase.
Hide cash money.
At the process: ideally there should be two female lawyers on your side, and a male lawyer on her side. It’s a psychological thing.
My lawyer is a great c~~~, she also suggested me to not marry again, to not start a cohabitation, and she said “we’re all whores” referred to women…If you need further advices, I’m here.
I apologize for the initial distrust.
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I am thoroughly convinced the MGTOW has been the ONLY answer. At the moment feminism was conceived, birthed right along side it was MGTOW. The end game. The absolute sum total. The inevitable. It is no stretch of the imagination, nor exaggeration, to state that women do not fully think things through. Let me be clear, in terms of reaping benefits, they will plan to no end, but because they never have to deal with the repercussions of their actions, it was rather difficult to exercise any thought in regards to consequence. Nature has a way of righting itself. You cannot bargain or double-deal with it, it is just an absolute truth. MGTOW is that righteousness that cannot be fully, if ever, compromised with.
Funny, isn't it? How women thrive on a mans time, attention and resources, while simultaneously telling him he isn't enough...
but because they never have to deal with the repercussions of their actions, it was rather difficult to exercise any thought in regards to consequence.
Binary, you have put it so well in a nutshell… Like this guy:
“You are free to choose, but you are not free to alter the consequences of your decisions.”
― Ezra Taft Benson
Hello All,
I have been checking this thread all day and the responses have kept me going. I am stronger now than I was last night when I first posted. I have been listening to a lot of sandman videos while driving today. I have been reading other threads and contemplating all the words of wisdom on this thread.
I feel like I have had the “link” ripped out of my head. The shock of what the real world is has been very extreme. Nevertheless, I have hope now that it will get better, the pain will lesson and eventually I will be able to deal with all of this. I have hundreds of miles to go and so many things to still sort out…but I am not dead yet. I can still put 1 foot in front of the other. I will keep moving forward, albeit at a very slow pace, but I will not give up. Whatever time I have left on the planet, I must find a way to redeem the wasted years and make the remaining ones the very best they can be.
Again, thank you my brothers.
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