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I am halfway through my second divorce from a covert narc. Getting ready to lose everything again for the second time. 2/3rs of my life now gone, wasted by these 2 evil women. You would think it would be easy, cut and dried walk away from all women forever and never look back.
Yet day and night I am still wrestling, trying to come to terms with all the lies I have been fed for over 4 decades. Trying to accept that the women who were my grandma’s and what I saw between them and my grandfathers no longer exists on this planet. Trying to beat it into my brain that there is no “someone special” out there, if only I could just find them. Trying to stop thinking that if I would have made better choices, if I had taken more time, if I had been stronger, then I would have found a better person. Trying to come to terms that there are no good women left on this planet, no matter where you go or how hard you search.
I am struggling to believe it impossible for a woman to love a man for who he is. They can love what he does, love how he makes her feel at times, but truly can never love a man the way a man can love a woman. If this is true, then what I saw lived before me as a child wasn’t love, but something else. It looked like love to me, but apparently it was not?
I am telling you guys, it is REALLY HARD to come to terms with all of this. It is keeping me up days and nights, distracting me from work, pretty much spinning my head in circles all the time. How long does it take to get through this? How do you finally come to terms with it? How do you get to the place were you no longer see, care or notice there are any women on this planet?
How do you reconcile, “It is not good for man to be alone” with “It is too dangerous to be involved with women?” How do you become a non-feeling hardened robot that finally just stops giving a f~~~ about any of them? How do you start seeing them as just a piece of meat to be used and then discarded?
How do I get there guys, and how long will this mental back and forth purgatory last?
Thanks
hadenough1969, stay the course, you’re on the path to MGTOW. Keep reading these forums, keep watching MGTOW video’s on youtube. Most of us have been through that or similar experiences. A wise man once said, it’s easier to fool someone, than it is to convince them that they’ve been fooled.
You’re still going through the shock period. Your brain has always been lingering in false hopes and dreams. What you now perceive as as a terrible thing, the nights and days unable to sleep, is really going to be a gift to you later. You’re waking up from a coma. It’s a rude awakening, but when it’s over, you’ll be glad you went through it. Just never forget what you’ve learned.
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I’m sorry you are going through this. Divorce is tough to go through. You will feel better with time.
After a while you will come to enjoy peace and a life free from drama.
It does take a while to sort through all of the emotions and the pain.
I personally spent some time looking for the unicorn. Eventually I found life was more enjoyable just ignoring women.
Welcome. We have a lot of wise men here. I think you’ll learn a lot from OldBill, KeyMaster and many others.
Hang in there. You will see better days.How long does it take?
I asked my father that exact question…
Until you decide to move forward and open the door in front of you and walk through it and then close that door behind you.
As long as you look back your head will spin in circles.
It is not good to be alone is your fear of mortality.
You will never know peace and serenity until you can be alone.
You should see what being with those that you have stated have done for you.
You are in the worst of it as I remember. It seemed to last a long time. Then one day I opened the door and it was gone. Now I struggle with making more mistakes. They always involve dealing with women.
Peace brothers
I went through this with my entire family. The lies, betrayal and power struggles that only increased as your ambitions became closer.
Being alone is more like being with someone who makes you feel that way. Just because you’re single or spending most of your time to yourself doesn’t mean you’ve failed.
If anything, your peers and mentors, your hobbies and your work, these are your friends. Women our not our equals, but merely dangerous playthings or warm & wet distractions from reality.
If you dont believe me, look at history’s logs and see for yourself what the great and good have to say about solitude; note that in every field except childcare, men dominate in population of those fields and achievements in those fields.
"You meet a few exceedingly forsaken, Sit around the cooler refusing domestication" Aesop Rock
Its all good mate, Keep putting one foot in front of the other,doing what you need to do for yourself and yourself only. I’m going through the crap also at the moment ,granted ,first one for me ,but 22 years gone for her to monkey branch to someone else.
This place has been like a winning lotto ticket for me ,kept me going …put me on a path to better myself and not give a s~~~ about anything or anyone else apart from what I needed to achieve.
6 months in, feeling fitter, looking fitter,dropped 14 kilos ,new job starting in 2 weeks, ….all because I stopped caring about chasing women ,and went my own way. You will survive this easily …remember it is only stuff and money…you can regain what you need on your own. Time is the constant, use it to improve everything about yourself.
If you want or need sex ..hire an escort …do your thing and then don’t give them a second thought.
I was exactly like you…how do you give up the thoughts, the feeling of the need for validation etc….time is what it took. You got this!Fed, Fucked, Appreciated. The three simple things men want, but women will never grasp.
It’s “the set up”.
Women have not changed.
The “set up” of “no fault divorce” is more than any woman can handle.
Especially since it is the guy who will suffer.HANG IN THERE BROTHER.
You can do this – this too shall pass.
Some “need” this site more than others.
Without this site I’d be dead a long time ago.
I’m a slow learner and CANNOT go through another divorce – hence I come here A LOT!"It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."
Thank you for all these replies. I really appreciate the encouragement and advice. It would probably be easier if I was not hitting a divorce, mid-life age reality check and MGTOW all at once, but that is the way it is. I just can’t believe I have been so conned for so many years and fell for it twice.
A couple weeks ago I was in the rage stage…ready to hit or punch anything in my path. I still feel like I could break bricks with my bare hands at times, but now I am more in swirling, “Is this really happening to me? Am I really going to just be alone for the rest of my life? What am I going to do with the few years I have left to myself?”
It’s overwhelming.
Thanks again.
It’s “the set up”.
Women have not changed.
The “set up” of “no fault divorce” is more than any woman can handle.
Especially since it is the guy who will suffer.HANG IN THERE BROTHER.
You can do this – this too shall pass.
Some “need” this site more than others.
Without this site I’d be dead a long time ago.
I’m a slow learner and CANNOT go through another divorce – hence I come here A LOT!It’s tough when you are used to having someone there, but that’s habit . As has been said in the end you will enjoy being single, the freedom is such a gift.
If any man has a modicum of financial success the women will leave, she has to take her lottery win and trade up.
Only a foolish women stays with a man , women are women if you are poor no prospects no money then marry if you want , if you will make money have money then don’t.
They bring problems what is the upside ? As you age there is less and less, in my time it was the ‘ done thing ‘ only a fool of a man would marry these days unless the women is way richer.
I still don’t know one women who earns more has more that has married a guy who earns less , 4 or 5 friends don’t know anyone either.
Facts don’t lie.
How do you get to the place were you no longer see, care or notice there are any women on this planet?
It’s easy: you have to lower your sex drive to the level of a woman.
Esther Vilar:
A man who wants to gain power over a woman must follow the example of women and condition his sex drive. If he succeeds in becoming as cold as she, she can no longer bait him with sex into the role of provider. At most she could offer herself as an equal sex partner, as dependent on him as he is on her. If men could abstain from sex at judicious intervals they might even succeed in normalizing the female sex drive — even make women desire them more than the other way around. Not that a man could have absolute power over a woman even then. He could hardly hope to become her protégé, except in rare cases, but he would come considerably closer to equality.
Use a fleshlight, at least 2 times per day, preferably 3 times per day.
How do you reconcile, “It is not good for man to be alone” with “It is too dangerous to be involved with women?” How do you become a non-feeling hardened robot that finally just stops giving a f~~~ about any of them? How do you start seeing them as just a piece of meat to be used and then discarded?
I smell a little smell of tuna…
However, my answer will be absolutely serious:
I see women as MY EQUALS.
Being jaded, I expect an individual making a lot of efforts in order to show me that she’s worthy as individual.SUPREME LEADER KIM JONG-UN'S FASHION STYLIST - if you want a new look or if you're a very beautiful trans you can call me, phone number +85079255312 / mobile 01921421211. The worth of a man isn't the usefulness that women get from him. Avoiding living with a woman, a man isn't rejecting a lot of sex: he's rejecting sexual starvation. MGTOW IS TACKLING DOMESTIC VIOLENCE IN COMPLIANCE WITH CONVENTION OF ISTANBUL: http://www.coe.int/en/web/conventions/full-list/-/conventions/rms/090000168008482e --- Article 4, Section 4 "Special measures that are necessary to prevent and protect women from gender-based violence shall not be considered discrimination under the terms of this Convention". WHAT I LEARNT FROM A GENDER STUDIES CLASS IN LUND, SWEDEN: every time feminists accuses men of doing something, odds are likely either them or persons associated with them are doing the exact same thing but a lot worse. WHO I'M RIGHT NOW https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1okpAj7Fhw Basically my former life have been a conflict between this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yz_RQVkvke4 and this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFIMeyTK-sU That's, more or less, all about me.
How do I get there guys, and how long will this mental back and forth purgatory last?
As long as it takes. Until we finally learn and start living right. With the full understanding of what women are, and what they are not.
I feel for you hadenough1969. I see a lot of my own struggles in what you shared. I have for the most part, only ever been involved with narcissistic women.
I agree with the gentlemen who posted above. You’re here now. A place to get support and draw knowledge and wisdom from. Keep watching and learning from the materials on this site. And also from the more experienced guys, as they literally dispense a tonne of wisdom.(Keymaster, Old Bill, Stealthy, etc.)
Take good care of your health. What helped me, was focusing my anger and pain by striving to arm myself with greater understanding. Just having a place to focus, outside of the struggle of a divorce, is a kind of relief and respite.
Stay strong, and keep pushing forward. As PPtoP said, better days are ahead.
“He who takes an eel by the tail, or a woman at her word, soon finds he holds nothing.”
I am struggling to believe it impossible for a woman to love a man for who he is.
It is all genetic programming, hers and yours.
Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?
How do I get there guys, and how long will this mental back and forth purgatory last?
Until I realize it is better to depend on myself for my own happiness then hinge my happiness on someone else that can ruin me anytime.
Until I realize I can make myself happier then any women can.
Until I do the math on how much money, time, effort, sanity investment in women requires and how much I can get out of a women.
Until I realize paying for a women is much cheaper, and even then most probably she cannot entertain me as well as I myself can.
Until I find something I enjoy to work on.
Until I realize 80% of women have HPV
http://www.ashasexualhealth.org/stdsstis/statistics/Until I find that I can retire earlier without a women.
Until I realize I can do anything I want without a women weighting me down.
Until I realize how much I save without a women.
Until I realize I don’t need to buy this and that, do this and that to impress her friends.
Until I realize, how much better I am without women.
There is no magic in MGTOW, just recognition of the truth and logical decision how to avoid dangers. The red pill is but the truth, it is no magical potion. Do not think in this modern world men have no longer have natural enemies, men are prey to women and government.
Anonymous0I smell a little smell of tuna…
I think you must have tuna stuck on your upper lip judging by your last call of ‘smells like tuna’. Give the guy a break. What he is saying is actually f~~~ing real mate. How do I know? Well I still am having similar feelings about this f~~~ing c~~~ing world I am living in. If you haven’t felt it well aren’t you lucky. Go and crack another can of tuna.
day and night I am still wrestling, trying to come to terms with all the lies I have been fed for over 4 decades
Same here. Doubt I’ll actually ‘get over’ it. I’m replaying interactions with females from decades ago.
I am telling you guys, it is REALLY HARD to come to terms with all of this
Yes it is a c~~~.
I mean, just imagine the alternative- which you actually don’t have to. You’re living it.
are you a chia pet in man drag
Anonymous22I think you must have tuna stuck on your upper lip judging by your last call of ‘smells like tuna’. Give the guy a break. What he is saying is actually f~~~ing real mate. How do I know? Well I still am having similar feelings about this f~~~ing c~~~ing world I am living in. If you haven’t felt it well aren’t you lucky. Go and crack another can of tuna.
That is the unfortunate side effect of the ‘tuna hunt’. So much tuna show up here that now everyone is watching out for anything that even smells like a tuna. And in the process some real men get called tuna.
Fortunately that should be easily taken care of. All that is required is a skype video call to verify the poster is a man if there is ever any real need for that.
Real tuna is easily detected when they start posting. They always make the same mistakes. Their posts are often hilarious.
Am I really going to just be alone for the rest of my life? What am I going to do with the few years I have left to myself?”
Do what you enjoy you will never know where that might take you.
A MGTOW is a man who is not a woman's bitch!
I smell a little smell of tuna…
Yes it is a c~~~.
Are you two serious? We have a man (who I think is a man) having his guts ripped out of him and you two are acting like complete asses!!! Oh yeah, you two are complete pieces of s~~~. Right now I don’t care what anybody else thinks. Good thing I am not site admin, I would kick both of you.
KM, if I went too far and you want to cancel my account I’m fine with it.
Women's brains and vagina have one thing in common. There is nothing in there until a man puts something in there.
Anonymous22I smell a little smell of tuna…
Yes it is a c~~~.
Are you two serious? We have a man (who I think is a man) having his guts ripped out of him and you two are acting like complete asses!!! Oh yeah, you two are complete pieces of s~~~. Right now I don’t care what anybody else thinks. Good thing I am not site admin, I would kick both of you.
KM, if I went too far and you want to cancel my account I’m fine with it.
I think you misunderstood ParasiteFree.
With any loss, there are stages that your head will go through: denial, bargaining, anger, sadness, acceptance… But the progression is not steady and some back and forth between them is to be expected. The rate of progression varies from person to person, and maybe is related to the rate at which you adapted into the relationship. But I think for me and for most, (and others here can give some insight based on their own experiences), if you give it a year, you may not be completely on the other side of it, but you WILL see progress.
Focusing harder on work can be helpful for men. Exercise, proper diet, and avoidance of chemical and other alcohol excesses is a common, and helpful reaction for many men. Obviously, rebound relationships, however tempting, are not the best idea. When the year has passed, the relationship is no more dead than it was on the first day of the divorce. But improved health, increased wealth and peace of mind will be the payoff for the year. The year will come and go whether you do these things or not. When it has passed, you can’t get it back again so MAKE IT PAY you something in exchange for the stages of emotional discomfort it will bring. Arrange to have something to show for it on the other side.
This is a path many men have followed. There have been articles published comparing the first year post divorce between me and women. Compared to women, the net worth of men actually tends to increase (starting after the settlement from the first day the divorce is final). Though the settlement usually favors women, their reaction to it is commonly to binge spend, binge eat, and generally sit on their ass while waiting for the next walking atm machine. Their lives decline because they depend more heavily on the forced transfer of resources. That continues until they meet the wall. The reaction of men, predictably, is to depend more on ourselves, and commit more effort in that direction.
If running happens to be your favorite form of exercise, and you live in a cooler climate, consider adopting an Alaskan husky from a shelter. They can run several miles a day, and never tire of it. It is their default setting. Aside from that, they are loyal, grateful and consistent. Women could follow the example, but they don’t…
Last, don’t beat yourself up so much about being ‘conned’ twice. You have not been conned so much as that you have made an enormously generous commitment to what was once a noble and necessary institution of partnership. The destruction of that partnership by a misguided government and short sighted, ungrateful and immature women is their mistake, not yours.
Look, it's not my fault that tornado dropped a house on your sister. Now get back on your broom and get your ass out of here... and take your monkeys with you
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