Inherently Sick

[Colin Combover in a ComaParticipant 5068]

There is no depravity known that man hasn’t thought about, tasted, and enjoyed. There are no absolutes, we all have the capacity to do good/evil, but man itself can’t be wholly either, so where does the capacity to do both come from? Is the bible true, hence the fall of man, our eyes have been opened to the perils of this dimension, or is our sickness from another source? Free will is a factor of course, supposedly God didn’t want puppets on a string, but why do we largely choose evil? Are we just doing what the Gods want us to, are we just here for their amusement, a cosmic gag-reel. Perhaps we inherited all traits from the Gods ie Jealously, Hate, Wrath, Anger etc or it is only God that can have those emotions…..

[Anonymous 1]

I agree with the old Pagans. We inherit our traits from the Gods. Love, Jealousy, Anger, Foolishness. These are a part of nature.

[Anonymous 54]

We all have the ability to choose our own path.

Do you wish to be Evil or Kind.

A question we can all ask ourselves.

[Colin Combover in a ComaParticipant 5068]

Anonymous wrote:

I agree with the old Pagans. We inherit our traits from the Gods. Love, Jealousy, Anger, Foolishness. These are a part of nature.

Most of the world was Pagan before the Roman Empire thrust their monotheist policies upon the land. The Druidism is one of the oldest religions, as is Hinduism.

[Colin Combover in a ComaParticipant 5068]

Anonymous wrote:

We all have the ability to choose our own path.

Do you wish to be Evil or Kind.

A question we can all ask ourselves.

Yes, but that comes from freewill. I am trying to understand where our traits(especially negative one’s) originate from. As I briefly surmised, as did Wizard, maybe it comes from the God’s, in which case, good and evil are subjective.

[Anonymous 1]

Colin Combover in a Coma wrote:

Most of the world was Pagan before the Roman Empire thrust their monotheist policies upon the land. The Druidism is one of the oldest religions, as is Hinduism.

Yes, and I resent the Romans for doing this. The Romans standardized many things: Language, Culture, Religion. Empires have a way of doing this, killing off real diversity and creating Mono-Culture.

[Anonymous 54]

If you beleive in Gods, do you not beleive in Devils, Satans also?

[Anonymous 1]

Colin Combover in a Coma wrote:

Yes, but that comes from freewill. I am trying to understand where our traits(especially negative one’s) originate from. As I briefly surmised, as did Wizard, maybe it comes from the God’s, in which case, good and evil are subjective.

I don’t think good and evil are always subjective though. There does seem to be a universal abstract sense of right and wrong that all of us have to a certain degree. We choose right and wrong and we make mistakes. Even the Gods make mistakes.

[RemovedParticipant 4676]

I like the idea that every man works out his own salvation. The problem with organizing a faith is it becomes a religion, and then it is exploited to control people through fear and ignorance. Information and truth should be first and foremost. Whenever you bury the truth behind an idea or religion, you end up with feelings and emotions being more important the reality.

[Colin Combover in a ComaParticipant 5068]

Anonymous wrote:

Colin Combover in a Coma wrote:

Most of the world was Pagan before the Roman Empire thrust their monotheist policies upon the land. The Druidism is one of the oldest religions, as is Hinduism.

Yes, and I resent the Romans for doing this. The Romans standardized many things: Language, Culture, Religion. Empires have a way of doing this, killing off real diversity and creating Mono-Culture.

So do I, my people are Pagans(now Lutherans). This is what Constantine wanted when he composed what we now know as the bible. One religion, one language, one mind set. Easier to control the Empire. Similar to what the new order is trying now. No borders, one international language, no currency(microchips), and no genders.

[Colin Combover in a ComaParticipant 5068]

Anonymous wrote:

If you beleive in Gods, do you not beleive in Devils, Satans also?

Yes, there is an equilibrium in everything. What you are saying then, is the reason people commit “evil” is due too demonic forces. This has to be governed by the Gods(assuming the Gods made the Jinn, as us humans).

[Anonymous 54]

I think Good and Evil are determined by the suffereing implemanted on others.

If you are alone, is there Good and Evil?

[Anonymous 1]

Colin Combover in a Coma wrote:

So do I, my people are Pagans(now Lutherans). This is what Constantine wanted when he composed what we now know as the bible. One religion, one language, one mind set. Easier to control the Empire. Similar to what the new order is trying now. No borders, one international language, no currency(microchips), and no genders.

Yes, I have noticed that too. The agenda has never changed. One World, One God, One Gender, One Race, One Currency etc.

[Anonymous 1]

Anonymous wrote:

I think Good and Evil are determined by the suffereing implemanted on others.

If you are alone, is there Good and Evil?

Yes, because people can harm themselves in very sick ways too.

[Anonymous 54]

Colin Combover in a Coma wrote:

Old Heyoka wrote:

If you beleive in Gods, do you not beleive in Devils, Satans also?

Yes, there is an equilibrium in everything. What you are saying then, is the reason people commit “evil” is due too demonic forces. This has to be governed by the Gods(assuming the Gods made the Jinn, as us humans).

I am saying those are the forces they chose to follow.

I beleive in the Spirit World.
There are Kind Spirits, and Demonic Spirits.

What do you attract.

Who do you wish to be, is the question.

[Colin Combover in a ComaParticipant 5068]

Anonymous wrote:

Colin Combover in a Coma wrote:

Yes, but that comes from freewill. I am trying to understand where our traits(especially negative one’s) originate from. As I briefly surmised, as did Wizard, maybe it comes from the God’s, in which case, good and evil are subjective.

I don’t think good and evil are always subjective though. There does seem to be a universal abstract sense of right and wrong that all of us have to a certain degree. We choose right and wrong and we make mistakes. Even the Gods make mistakes.

So the Gods are fallible then? Mistakes are different to good/evil. Putting a kitten in a microwave, or being part of a paedophile ring is in any balanced persons mind, evil, as opposed to choosing to make a decision at that particular time, which may or may not be the right choice, and could impose on another in a negative manner.

[Anonymous 54]

Anonymous wrote:

Old Heyoka wrote:

I think Good and Evil are determined by the suffereing implemanted on others.

If you are alone, is there Good and Evil?

Yes, because people can harm themselves in very sick ways too.

This also is a choice.
Some may struggle greatly with it, how badly do you wish to defend yourself, from yourself, is the question.

[Branched offParticipant 10934]

The old gods are in their root the personification of the forces of nature. They therefore make a good deal more sense than the escatological monotheist’s god who invents imperfect people to test them while being at the same time omniscient and therefore knowing who will pass and fail the tests. That guy must be really bored by now.

The forces of nature gave us our “good” and “evil” tendencies. We are creatures like other creatures. We have our own challenges. Dogs are better than us at some things and yet they will steal your food if you leave it on the floor.

These traits are not sinful of themselves. Do not listen to the mind controllers who want you to hate your nature. They are neutral and what you make of them is what counts. Jealousy is good for us when we do not let it conquer us. -why invest in a wife if you are going to be happy letting chad impregnate her? It is right you hate chad if he does this. It is also right you make sure she does not get your money in the divorce -guard it jealously. You had better be angry with chad. Killing him might make sense unless you live in the world today where you will be caught and punished for what is actually his doing. A wise man understands the gods, understands himself and can maximise the successful use of his innate tendancies.

Try the Nordic web or weird (Wyrd if you like strange -not weird!- spelling as many pagans seem to for some odd reason)if you want to understand why you are who you are and why stuff happens, maybe even what may happen though that is no certainty because it is not yet woven unlike the monotheistic “It is written” . Weird is a old concept and very powerful. You won’t get your head around it easily at first. It is a very sophisticated concept dressed up in an old myth about women who spin next to a well next to a big tree.

Do not think the ancients were dumb. Their language of philosophical explanation was just different and less evolved. There is free will, some things are inevitable and there is always the twist of fate bringing back the pattern sometimes to what it must be regardless of your best or worst efforts. Its harder to grasp than monotheistic fate -“god decreed it, so it will be”.

You are not inherently sick my friend. You are inherently wired to compete for evolution. You are not the perfect model, but you are wired to try to improve.

A woman is like fire -fun to play with, can warm you through and cook your food, needs constant feeding, can burn you and consume all you own

[Anonymous 54]

Of you are hearing voices, you must make your own, Speak Louder.

[Colin Combover in a ComaParticipant 5068]

Removed wrote:

I like the idea that every man works out his own salvation. The problem with organizing a faith is it becomes a religion, and then it is exploited to control people through fear and ignorance. Information and truth should be first and foremost. Whenever you bury the truth behind an idea or religion, you end up with feelings and emotions being more important the reality.

I agree, you are taking a more Gnostic approach(if you want to label). We are all God’s, there is no right or wrong, only decisions made. Religion is a man-made concept, there is over 30,000 denominations of Christianity for example. I am more trying to the crux of why people do such evil things, it can’t be just freewill, these traits needed to do atrocious things, where have they come from?

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