If all women are whores doesn't that make all men John's

[Anonymous 3]

Cheeky Bastard wrote:

It starts off with “If” What is very important to the supposition.

No, its not. It actually just weakens the argument, so that people can look at it without immediately reacting “MGTOW dont say that!”.

It is not a good argumentation technique, because you can very well put whatever you want in someone’s mouth: “If MGTOW say that you should kill all women…”
So, I did them a favor and ignored it.

Cheeky Bastard wrote:

If you go to YouTube and other social media is different. Maybe they say these things to get reactions or to get attention. Which obviously makes it harder to distribute MGTOW knowledge.

No it doesnt. You dont need to win arguments in the commentaries of youtube videos to distribute MGTOW knowledge. THE VIDEO IS KNOWLEDGE.
The commentaries are just trash by idiots you cannot reason with:
“Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.”

Cheeky Bastard wrote:

no good can come from The discussion about the dynamics because one side is ignored.

And no good can come for a discussion with an idiot. I can, and will, ignore him.

“Arguing with an idiot is like playing chess with a pidgeon. It’ll just knock over all the pieces, s~~~ on the board, and strut about like it’s won anyway.”

Cheeky Bastard wrote:

So it is about growth for myself and hopefully for the community when we tackle harder questions such as these.

I have an experience with an idiot that is a boss. He starts talking about a subject in an conflicting tone, so we present arguments in defense.
But HE DOES NOT RESPOND TO THE ARGUMENTS. He only changes subjects and presents ANOTHER DIFFERENT SUBJECT. When he is finished with you he goes to another guy and starts all over again.
With time he creates a list of counter-arguments for the arguments he collected, and starts the process anew.

You see, his objective is not to grow or learn, his objective is to win. He handles our words as material for his purpose.

The only way to deal with people that use these games is not to play it. We are just feeding them.

[BadgerParticipant 2277]

Troll or tuna?

[FullMetalExoParticipant 2383]

Cheeky Bastard wrote:

Cheeky Bastard wrote:

are we emotional prostitutes? and are they emotional john’s?

FullMetalExo wrote:

I never experienced schizophrenia before

This is why it is important to question and inspect rhetoric. If it ignores all other aspects and variables, it is schizophrenic, it is cognitive dissidence. Favouring one narrative over another is what is wrong with this world, what is wrong with feminists and social justice. I suppose it’s the reason why I don’t like to see MGTOWs is doing the same thing I suppose. I don’t want to be all about rhetoric with out thought.

I see no logic behind your statements. Nothing to do with MGTOW.

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[FullMetalExoParticipant 2383]

Cheeky Bastard wrote:

When you think about it it is most simplest terms if you masturbate to any type of pornography or the Think of the woman you become a John whether you like it or not.

This makes 0 sense. Illogical.
By your logic if a women uses a vibrator or a cucumber she is John/whore etc.
If Im not using porn Im John. Everyone is John. Makes 0 sense.

Cheeky Bastard wrote:

If all women are whore only interested in man’s money doesn’t that make all men John’s only interested in women’s bodies.

It’s irrelevant if most of them are or what % of them are not.

And it doesn’t affect me. I was a bachelor before I joined the website and still am.
Sexual urge is there, but other then that – why waste time on them ? Im good alone. They got nothing to offer.

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[BadgerParticipant 2277]

Your premise that all women are whores is forcing your conclusion that all men are Johns.

Suppose the OP had begun with:

If all men are Johns doesn’t that make all women whores.

There also is the undefined term “whore” that implies that we all understand what it means.

“If all women are whores interested in man’s money” is supposed to be a true statement, then one counterexample makes it false and the conclusion is false. I had a cousin who died two weeks short of the age of 104. My aunt and her were like sisters, though they were second cousins. My aunt knew her all her life and she never showed any interest in dating or getting married for personal reasons. Other members undoubtedly can cite other examples like that to show that not all women are whores. As many members here have stated, your OP makes no sense.

Furthermore, MGTOW is concerned with the laws that make male contact with females in our society risky and encourages men to not interact with women if at all possible. Old Sage sums it up with “Don’t marry, Don’t cohabitate, etc.” Others indicate they are not Johns because they avoid any contact with women as best they can.

[,Participant 1301]

Cheeky Bastard wrote:

This is why it is important to question and inspect rhetoric. If it ignores all other aspects and variables, it is schizophrenic, it is cognitive dissidence. Favouring one narrative over another is what is wrong with this world, what is wrong with feminists and social justice. I suppose it’s the reason why I don’t like to see MGTOWs is doing the same thing I suppose. I don’t want to be all about rhetoric with out thought.

Cheeky Bastard wrote:

It starts off with “If” What is very important to the supposition. You won’t find many MGTOWs on MGTOW.com saying “All women are whores” because it is a more enlightened group of discussion and intelligence.

If you go to YouTube and other social media is different. Maybe they say these things to get reactions or to get attention. Which obviously makes it harder to distribute MGTOW knowledge.

When we’re discussing it here on MGTOW.com it is a Constructive exercise which can be translated into real-world knowledge where is on other parts of the Internet no good can come from The discussion about the dynamics because one side is ignored.

This is why I have this conversation here because it is far more valuable and helps me to understand other MGTOW better Even if the response is negative. So it is about growth for myself and hopefully for the community when we tackle harder questions such as these.

yesss. now I get where you are coming from.
Oblivious to general Social Media directly but I have seen mostly s~~~wad replies in topics of MSM sites as well as fringestream media sites from all agendas and mindsets.
It all becomes meaningless and I’m sure you are here to unclutter the barrage of artillery from either vantage.
The responses from the general site surfers are disappointing on content and merit but also suspect of being manufactured to overwhelm any serious discussion attempt.

Enjoy every casualty. Learn. Educate.
I’m one of the fools as defined above, my f~~~ is ungiven for your pursuit and welcome to an unhaters gathering!

with joy/without hate

[Cheeky BastardParticipant 323]

Anonymous wrote:

It actually just weakens the argument,

I absolutely agree. I don’t think that some of these YouTube content producers really understands the depth of what is being said by sensible and educated MGTOW. Which is the reason why I wanted to start this discussion I couldn’t believe that any detail would be that dimwitted, at least not the ones I talked to hear.

Anonymous wrote:

“Arguing with an idiot is like playing chess with a pidgeon. It’ll just knock over all the pieces, s~~~ on the board, and strut about like it’s won anyway.”

Maybe it’s time to kick some out of the nest, I appreciate the amount of time, thought and effort you put into your responses. Thank you.

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[Cheeky BastardParticipant 323]

FullMetalExo wrote:

This makes 0 sense. Illogical.

Absolutely because I f~~~ed up. It was meant to have a question mark the end of it.

It was a response to an answer “yes all women are whores” The oversimplification on the biological level creates unstable arguments that seemed to be going about less educated MGTOW Not so much here But on other platforms it seems to be a staple diet of rhetoric without understanding the precepts first proposed by MGTOW Like Barbarossa Stardust Marcus and CS MGTOW.

This is why ask the question in first place was to see what people think about this subject from intelligent And logical MGTOW, Which are best found here and the only way to do it and get honest answers was play devil’s advocate.

Do men like being oversimplified? And is it right to oversimplify women? Now the question is should MGTOW who do this on less legitimate and public social media be shot down?

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[Cheeky BastardParticipant 323]

Badger wrote:

If all men are Johns doesn’t that make all women whores.

I can’t love this statement more. The juxtaposition of this thought experiment exposes more than just a single position making the following quote even more relevant.

Badger wrote:

There also is the undefined term “whore” that implies that we all understand what it means.

As there is a biological one of occasional component to this conundrum when a MGTOW uses the expression “all women whores” not so much on this website but on YouTube and Readit. What do they mean by “whore” A biological determination all the fact that indirectly they siphon money from the taxpayer?

It does seem a little irresponsible to make statements such as this without defining their context.

Really appreciated your thoughtful feedback. thank you.

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[Cheeky BastardParticipant 323]

, wrote:

I’m one of the fools as defined above, my f~~~ is ungiven for your pursuit and welcome to an unhaters gathering!

I would suppose that you’re not one of those fools that are defined. You understood the question and you gave a thoughtful response with full consideration of facts supposed by independent argument. This precludes you from being one of the fools because your conclusion or opinion is based on full understanding. Even if it still is that all women whores, because is not premised on hatred or in a misapprehension.

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[JackinovParticipant 5229]

In order for that statement to be plausible, we would have to pretend that men and women are just two versions of the same thing, and are interchangeable.

So it is clear that the answer is no.

are you a chia pet in man drag

[Nick6923645Participant 253]

Yea, what they said. It’s like the fable I think I heard hear about the frog and the scorpion crossing the river. The frog (man) knows what’s going to happen, but believes the scorpion (woman) and the scorpion knows she’s going to drown by stinging the frog, but can’t help herself, because it’s just her nature. This really allows me to have less atomicity toward women, since I just accept the fact that “they are naturally just like that” and I just stay away from them, far away!

condemnation before investigation = ignorance

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